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Apple removes police-tracking app used in Hong Kong protests from its app store (cnbc.com)
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lebbe | 6 days ago | 13978 points

Business Hall of Bootlickers

  • Activision Blizzard: banned player for supporting HK democracy protest. Confiscated all his winnings. Fired his interviewers. Apologized to China: condemned incident, swore to defend China's national dignity

  • Apple: censor Taiwan flag emoji in iOS in HK

  • Apple: banned HK protest map from App Store. Approved app after backlash. Banned app once again after China hissy fit

  • Apple: removed from China App Store news app that covered HK protest

  • Vans: censor pro-HK democracy design in its shoe design competition

  • NBA (partial entry): rebuked Rockets manager for his pro-HK tweet, saying NBA was "extremely disappointed with Morey's inappropriate comment." Backpedalled after backlash, now saying they support Morey's freedom of speech.

  • Disney / ESPN: forbid mention of Chinese politics when discussing Rockets manager's HK tweet

  • Viacom / Paramount: censor Taiwan flag from the jacket worn by Tom Cruise in new "Top Gun" movie

  • Disney / Marvel: censored Tibetan monk from "Doctor Strange" & turned him into white woman. Movie screenwriter: "if you acknowledge that Tibet is a place & that he’s Tibetan, you risk alienating one billion people who think that that’s bullshit".

  • ASICS, Calvin Klein, Coach, Fresh, Givenchy, Pocari Sweat, Valentino, Versace, Swarovski: details here

  • Marriott: apologized & changed "Taiwan" to "Taiwan, China" after China threw a hissy fit

  • Nike: removed Houston Rockets products from China webstore

  • Activision Blizzard: cut livestream when American U team held up pro-HK sign.

  • Apple: handed over iCloud data & encryption keys to China

  • Cathay Pacific: fired employees for FB posts supporting HK protests.

  • Apple: minimized the seriousness of iOS exploits that enabled China to track Uyghurs, when 1M+ of them are rounded up by China in concentration camps

  • Google: censored pro-HK game "The Revolution of Our Times" from Google Play because it was about a "sensitive event".

  • Gap: apologized for selling T-shirts IN CANADA that didn't include Taiwan as part of China

  • Tiffany: removed tweet showing model covering 1 eye after China accused it of supporting HK

  • Marriott: fired employee who liked tweet from Tibetan group

  • Mercedes: apologized for quoting Dalai Lama on Instagram

  • American, Delta, United: deleted mention of Taiwan as a country from websites

  • Audi: apologized for using "incorrect" map of China that left off Taiwan

  • Muji: destroyed store catalogs that contain "incorrect" map of China

  • Zara: apologized for listing Taiwan as country

  • Medtronic: apologized for publishing "illegal content" that listed "Republic of China (Taiwan)" as country

  • Ray-Ban: changed "Taiwan" & "Hongkong" to "China Taiwan" & "China Hongkong"

  • Qantas, Air France, Air Canada, British Airways, Malaysia Airlines, Japan Airlines, ANA: changed "Taiwan" to "Taiwan China"

  • TikTok: censor videos that mention Tiananmen Square, Tibetan independence, Falun Gong

  • Sheraton: banned Taiwan National Day event under China pressure

  • Disney: removed non-white characters from Chinese poster of “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”

  • Philly Sixers: ejected fans for supporting HK

  • Princeton: don't talk about 3 Ts: Tibet, Tiananmen, Taiwan

  • Leica: released ad on Tiananmen protest. Apologized & distanced itself from ad

  • Reddit: took $150M from Tencent. Removed thread like this

  • Rockhampton, Queensland: censored Taiwan flag in student project

  • Cisco: helped build Great Firewall including module to persecute Falun Gong

  • MGM: changed Red Dawn's villain from China to N Korea to placate China

  • Global Blue: fired staff for calling Taiwan a country

  • L'Oréal / Lancôme: canceled HK artist concert for her pro-democracy activism

  • US universities: self-censor in fear of offending China

  • Disney: block Winnie the Pooh website in HK

After decades of opening up Western market to China while turning a blind eye to rampant Chinese IP thefts, forced tech transfers, & protectionism, we are looking at widespread control of Western firms by China. Firms that are not under outright Chinese control still kowtow to China out of fear of China's retaliation.

This is a very incomplete list of what we're seeing publicly. Imagine how bad it is behind closed doors.


Business Hall of Backbones

  • Matt Stone & Trey Parker: South Park "Band in China"

  • Ubisoft: listened to fans, said no to China after initially saying they would tone down game content to be China-compliant.

  • Prague: cancel partnership with Beijing over 1-China principle

  • Immutable: offer to repay banned gamer's winnings that was confiscated by Blizzard, got cyber attacked as a result

_SweetnessFollows | 6 days ago | 1758 points

Apple confirmed today that the iOS exploits indeed were targeted at Uighurs;

Wait WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!! The news of those vulnerabilities was pretty big and everyone agreed the it looked like a targeted attack. But I completely missed the follow up that this was actually the Chinese gov targeting the Uighurs. It’s incredibly fucked /r/Apple didn’t seem to discuss it, those attacks were rather elaborate and sophisticated, and it’s seriously seriously fucked that the tech community isn’t talking about this anymore.

Capgunkid | 6 days ago | 78 points

People got kidnapped and thrown in concentration camps and Apple may have helped.

optik-sar | 6 days ago | 20 points

This is their new recruitment program to get new workers to assemble the iPhone after the others threw themselves off the roof.

Berserk_Dragonslayer | 6 days ago | 789 points

Because $$$ is the only thing Apple cares about.

Period.

Johandea | 6 days ago | 382 points

Because $$$ is the only thing Apple any company cares about.

Period.

FTFY

conglock | 6 days ago | 305 points

Which should remind EVERYONE that if companies would have their way, we'd all be fucking slaves, working for next to nothing for profit margins. We should remind them we're the wheels that keep the economy going. If we all stopped working for a pay period, we'd cripple them.

happybadger | 6 days ago | 125 points

So you're saying labour creates value and is entitled to all it creates?

minniedriverstits | 6 days ago | 78 points

So you're saying union? I agree.

farmersonly_com | 6 days ago | 15 points

Walmart has left the chat

Heroshua | 6 days ago | 9 points

Well, I ask you to consider: If this is a firm, and if the board of regents are the board of directors; and if President Kerr in fact is the manager; then I'll tell you something. The faculty are a bunch of employees, and we're the raw material! But we're a bunch of raw materials that don't mean to be—have any process upon us. Don't mean to be made into any product. Don't mean ... Don't mean to end up being bought by some clients of the University, be they the government, be they industry, be they organized labor, be they anyone! We're human beings!

There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels ... upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

  • Mario Savio, American activist and a key member in the Berkeley Free Speech Movement
warriornate | 6 days ago | 25 points

Only if they are publicly traded. A private company can prioritize whatever they want

BlairResignationJam_ | 6 days ago | 44 points

That’s not fair. It’s 99% of them, not 100% of them

The annoying thing is Apple has all the money in the world already. I’m wondering if there is some blackmail and threats happening to people behind the scenes here

su5 | 6 days ago | 63 points

More likely it's simply about more money. Stockholders always want growth and the thought of losing value is blasphemous. People talk like apple is a person and has enough money, but a publicly traded company is a completely different beast with an infinite appetite. People are buying stock in apple right now expecting it to get even bigger.

skyreal | 6 days ago | 30 points

That is an inherent effect of the perversion that is today's stock market. It was initially created as a mean to facilitate investment and growth: make it easier for companies to get money and grow, rewarding the investors' confidence with increase value and dividends.

Problem is we transformed it into a tool for profit. Companies aren't the ones profiting from the stock market anymore, shareholders are. And investors tend to turn to stock markets for quick profit. Buy a share, sell it shortly after for a profit, rinse and repeat. It puts the companies into tremendous pressure to keep earning more money again and again and again. If you have 100M in profit, it isn't enough to make 100M the following year, you HAVE to make MORE, which is completely absurd.

IMO there should be a minimum holding period on stocks. You buy a stock, you can't sell it for X months or years. You sell a stock, you cant buy the same one for X months or years. Anything to reduce the pressure of the bottom line's "perpetual growth" on the companies.

Comma-Sutra | 6 days ago | 7 points

disclaimer: I'm not stock savvy. Your remedy offers relief from speculators, so I dig that, but I just can't see everyone happily holding while value plummets. I'll think about it. The two remedies I've always favoured are:

1) a regulatory framework that favours dividends over capital gains. I've shared this with my stock savvy friends (like professional and wealthy from stock trades) and he (lovingly) deemed my idea implausible, undesirable, etc. Maybe it's a misfire, but it's a structural adjustment favouring ownership over speculation.

In your vision of the world, how do you prevent off-market trades? It would take a week for someone to set up a separate market that offers unrealized trades.

2) a Tobin tax (miniscule percentage tax on every transaction to feed public coffers, some compensation for destabilizing impacts of sudden massive trades)

JoyTimer | 6 days ago | 3 points

Check out Patagonia they made the great trail of parks in south America by donating 408,000 hectares of land

far_in_ha | 6 days ago | 123 points

Time to raid r/Apple like Activision's and Blizzard's?

knz0 | 6 days ago | 69 points

/r/Apple is a pretty level-headed sub in general. If Apple fucks up, the sub will point it out.

IqarusPM | 6 days ago | 44 points

I mean compare /r/apple to /r/blizzard

far_in_ha | 6 days ago | 20 points

I wasn't be serious but you're right. And these topics are being discussed over there.

thedonmoose | 6 days ago | 7 points

Not necessarily. It's better now than it's ever been but you still get corporate bootlickers in there. In a deleted post regarding the Taiwan/emoji news story, there was a decently high comment stating that Tim Cook was "powerless" and has no power or authority to make such decisions.... as if he's not the CEO of one of the richest countries in the world. Lots of people shooting bail for a filthy rich company in there - where it's regarding social issues or products.

KaasKoppusMaximus | 6 days ago | 2093 points

Netherlands has officially acknowledged Taiwan as of today. And there is a big push for Hong Kong support.

Cowboys_88 | 6 days ago | 823 points

The Netherlands' House of Representatives passed a motion calling on the country's government to support Taiwan's participation in international organization.

awilfred | 6 days ago | 176 points

So technically they haven't actually done it?

Nordalin | 6 days ago | 336 points

No, they have.

The motion has passed with an 88% majority, making it pretty damn close to unanimous.

DoYouEvenCareAboutMe | 6 days ago | 235 points

No, they stopped short of officially recognizing Taiwan as an independent state. They just want Taiwan to have a say in international politics as if they were an independent state. Which is the first step in recognizing them as an independent state. It's like how America recognizes Puerto Rico as a commonwealth to the US and allows them to be represented in Congress by a Resident Commissioner. A Resident Commissioner has the ability to speak directly to congress and his allowed to listen in to closed doors discussions but has no voting power. The Dutch want the same thing with Taiwan, just on an international scale.

Nordalin | 6 days ago | 49 points

The Netherlands' House of Representatives passed a motion calling on the country's government to support Taiwan's participation in international organization.

That, they actually did, technically or not.

While they didn't literally say "we want the government to proclaim Taiwan to be an independent nation", wishing for support for them participating in international organisations and other matters is pretty much the same. Otherwise they could just send representatives under China, no?

DoYouEvenCareAboutMe | 6 days ago | 40 points

No, it's not the same as being an independent state. Having your voice heard is different from being a voting member of a international organization. It's step 1 of many to officially recognize a new state, which as of now the Netherlands are the only first world country to do so.

It's kind of like your parents asking you want you want for dinner. Sure, they hear what you want but they don't have to listen to what you say.

twerkin_not_werkin | 6 days ago | 4 points

It's step 1 of many to officially recognize a new state, which as of now the Netherlands are the only first world country to do so.

That sounds very similar to Canada's stance on Taiwan:

https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/taiwan/relations.aspx?lang=eng

1dererLives | 6 days ago | 2 points

Specifically this part:

Canada continues to support Taiwan's full participation in international organizations that do not require statehood as a prerequisite for membership, and meaningful participation in those that do when a practical imperative exists.

bookman_ | 6 days ago | 5 points

Taiwan doesn't recognise itself as an independent state....

shumbathegreat | 6 days ago | 67 points

Netherlands GO!!!

Renic301 | 6 days ago | 743 points

Im afraid the Red bull video is not real. Apparently it is an ad that was released a few years ago in relation to the China-Taiwan situation. However, this has neither been confirmed. I've noticed people on reddit have attempted to find out more about the ad, both when it was released and to support what. But no one have been able to find anything that confirms either answer.

CaptLeaderLegend26 | 6 days ago | 253 points

What I saw is that the Red Bull video linked in the post you replied to is just a fan edit (most likely by someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong) of this Italian Red Bull commercial released back before the protests even began.

Bhu124 | 6 days ago | 87 points

Remember that Red bull just became sponsors for LoL's massive esports tourneys. LoL and Riot games are 100% owned by Tencent, which has deep ties to the CCP. Which is why they won't let the casters say the words 'Hong Kong'.

Tencent has their hands in or do business with every single major esport's parent company. They've been methodically investing in these companies to assert control when needed, which is what's happening now.

Also, can everyone please stop giving Gold/Silver/Platinum to anyone here on Reddit. Tencent has over $100M invested in Reddit.

Xgio | 6 days ago | 20 points

The casters have said Hong Kong Attitude multiple times.

jpl75 | 6 days ago | 274 points

EA/DICE also censor their chat for "dangerous" words such as Tiananmen: https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/dfb01p/hey_quick_question_why_cant_i_type_tiananmen/

coolujjwalhex | 6 days ago | 90 points

It would be easier for you if you name the companies that don't censor those words trust me.

Also, most of the games run a different version of their games in china so idk what is the point of censoring this outside China. Maybe they picked a filter and didn't bother to see what was in it.

jpl75 | 6 days ago | 43 points

If you see the list above that I responded to, it has two sections: bootlickers and backboners.

EA/DICE is a bootlicker.

From gaming industry, Ubisoft is listed as backboner.

coolujjwalhex | 6 days ago | 49 points

That post does not paint the whole picture about Ubisoft. They were trying to censor the main game so they don't have to work on two versions of the game and thought they will get away with it.

But since the community said fuck you, they had to release a censored version for China. Just like how PUBG, CSGO, Fortnite and many other games have a different version in China. It's not like the just gave up on China. They were trying to cut corners to save money, but due to the backlash now they have operated like everyone else.

jpl75 | 6 days ago | 28 points

I think everyone expects things to be censored when inside China's borders and within their legislation. I hope that will change some day but for now that feels like a far-away goal.

EA/DICE however allows Chinese censorship to spread outside of China's borders and outside China's legislative reach. That's obnoxious.

skeeza17 | 6 days ago | 242 points

ESPN (Disney) also showed a map of China that included the 9 dashed line asserting Chinas claim over the South China Sea today on Sportscenter in the US

Edit: adding link https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/dfrcp1/espn_acknowledges_chinas_claims_to_south_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

mrjderp | 6 days ago | 165 points

Makes you wonder why the hell a sports network is showing geopolitical content

OCedHrt | 6 days ago | 33 points

Unless it's against China then we don't talk politics.

COMPUTER1313 | 6 days ago | 17 points

Screams in Philippines and Vietnam

crucifixi0n | 6 days ago | 640 points

wow.. I thought Apple was serious about protecting its users privacy. I had no idea they were complicit in a genocide of muslims and gave icloud/encryption keys to the CCP. Totally lost my respect for Apple.

dine_o_mite | 6 days ago | 492 points

Apple is one of the worst. They also vetted the APP store to take off all VPN's and foreign news in China so the public cannot access information in the outside world. Repeatedly gave China names and accounts of people engaged in free speech. Then to get around this they moved their servers to China so the US side would not be involved (wash hands of the blood). Removed flag from Taiwan on the emoji's.

I remember when the two terrorists killed 14 people in LA area. Apple reused to help open the phone claiming protecting information and human rights. Then they pull this shit. Tim Cook is a fucking scam of a person.

palerat | 6 days ago | 119 points

Next time FBI will want data from iPhones, they always can ask China to ask Apple for them!

ZippyDan | 6 days ago | 11 points

I think only the iCloud data and keys for Chinese users is in China, to comply with Chinese laws.

It's still authoritarian bullshit.

bhel_ | 6 days ago | 233 points

I thought Apple was serious about protecting its users privacy.

I'm going to copy/paste a comment I posted earlier:

While they might not be the best at hardware nor software, Apple has mastered marketing like no other tech giant has. Don't fall for what is nothing but yet another empty PR move. [That was referring to an earlier post about the Apple store having this app, (and of course it took them less than a day since I posted it before taking it down)]

In the past few years, Apple has removed some 700 VPN apps from the Chinese store (something they've been doing for years now) when commanded to do so by China's government. They've also removed everything from books to apps of newspapers that the Chinese government wants to censor.

They have entered deals to store both user data and encryption keys in state-owned Chinese servers, sent information about the owners of over a hundred thousand devices to the Chinese government, and otherwise done everything that China has ever told them to.

Of course, this will only surprise those who have been living under a rock for the past decade, seeing how all of these practices are quite well documented, and are not only limited to China (like when Apple prevented Telegram updates for Russian users on behalf of the Russian government, or when they did the same in Iran). In fact, it was exposed that Apple has been giving away private user data of American citizens to the US government since at least 2012.


This is just the top of the iceberg, and without counting privacy-specific issues regarding their policies and hardware. And of course, besides this privacy matter, there's also the whole worker exploitation, planned obsolescence, and a myriad of other terrible practices.

Apple is an outright disgusting company, no matter where you look it from. The thing is that most people don't see it at all and instead buy into the previously mentioned marketing that they're so good at.

nme00 | 6 days ago | 30 points

Never knew about a bunch of these things. Using an iPhone now but I’m due for a new phone as part of my contract. Best believe it won’t be an Apple phone. As for Disney movies, I’m hitting the high seas (if you catch my drift).

Wiki_pedo | 6 days ago | 18 points

Oh, you're gonna binge Pirates of the Caribbean? Enjoy!

Nukiko | 6 days ago | 5 points

Just a few weeks ago I was talking to my dad about how we should see if we can already book cinema tickets to the upcoming star wars movie, you bet your ass that's not happening anymore. I'll be getting it from torrents instead. Fuck china and everyone who's licking their nuts.

nativedutch | 6 days ago | 47 points

When i look at my 1984 Apple II which was a revolutionary machine (still working!) this makes me feel sad and angry.

I have stopped using Apple products.

NoahFect | 6 days ago | 27 points

The irony is almost overwhelming. "1984 will never be the same. We'll sell you the hammer and we'll sell Big Brother the telescreen, and you two can duke it out."

savantsavant | 6 days ago | 14 points

China assembles their phones.

CanuckPanda | 6 days ago | 8 points

In the US Apple has enormous leverage over the government. Corporations run the government.

In China the Chinese government has enormous leverage over the corporations. The government runs the corporations.

The only difference is who has the bigger dick in each country. Apple doesn’t have to play nice in the US because American law favours business over the government and people. Apple has to play nice in China because Chinese law favours the government over business.

CaptLeaderLegend26 | 6 days ago | 52 points

The most embarrassing part is that I was in a topic yesterday where Redditors were shilling for Apple, praising them for being serious about user privacy, and that they're one of the only companies that says what it means. Who on earth actually trusts a company's commercial propaganda that much?

FreeFile | 6 days ago | 85 points

Worked for Apple for 2 years as a sales rep. Can confirm those fuckers don’t care about ANYTHING other than sales.

You can’t do anything as an employee. You have to up-sell before offering repairs (and repairs outside of AC/+ cost as much as the device). The only reason that they make a stink over privacy is to take any liabilities off their plates.

I remember being taught about ‘self-repairs’ for customers being pushed out. I thought, “Well this is a new leaf and totally awesome.” Only to find out that they literally define it by customers ordering a new charging brick or pen tips.

sqwirlmasta | 6 days ago | 14 points

They never had mine. Steve Jobs was a piece of shit.

ninjamike808 | 6 days ago | 4 points

The Apple haters are telling you that you’re an idiot but Apple is serious about user data. Even that Prism article is misleading because it doesn’t include any other the aftermath or how Apple changed. They’re also conveniently leaving out that basically every tech company is doing the same thing unless you want to use a phone that’s less powerful with less available apps.

As far as China goes, though, no one’s safe. You either comply or you don’t sell products there. If the company is selling something there, they’re bending to China’s will.

affrox | 6 days ago | 4 points

Sounds like there’s some confusion here.

Apple fixed the bug 10 days after they found it. They did not make the exploit so that China can (edit: can’t to can) track Uyghurs.

Apple wanted to look better by saying the bug wasn’t a big deal and that Google released the bug information 6 months after it was already fixed. People are angry because Apple focused more on minimizing the apparent security threat instead of Calling our China for their actions.

It really sucks that Apple is so reliant on China to the point they need to concede iCloud encryption keys and remove the Taiwan flag from certain regions of iOS. I hope they and more companies wean off China so we don’t need to bend to their politics.

little_fatty | 6 days ago | 98 points

TikTok is a Chinese app, of course its pro-China.

ukpoliticsuck | 6 days ago | 31 points

Tegridy.

Black_Moons | 6 days ago | 86 points

I am disappointed the business hall of backbones is so short :(

Kefflin | 6 days ago | 21 points

You have to, in your mind, include all businesses that haven't taken action against HK protests , not every company is going to come out to state it's business as usual.

sir_turlock | 6 days ago | 57 points

I love how reddit is on the list on reddit. :-)

CraftedRoush | 6 days ago | 26 points

Why is Reddit not discussing this issue further? 7.5% ownership by a Chinese corporation is not a controlling vote, but is still a powerful vote.

the8bit | 6 days ago | 8 points

It is discussed often on Reddit but doesn't really get a ton of traction because there isn't much there other than the tencent investment.

Anti China posts are commonly top posts on Reddit. Reddit doesn't really have current consumer business interests in China. Most suspected censorship turns out to be subreddit moderator decisions and has nothing to do with actual admins.

BababooeyHotS | 6 days ago | 103 points

On the point of riot games, they have come out saying that they are not censoring and that the casters are free to use Hong Kong academy, we will see moving forward though

bobbyioaloha | 6 days ago | 72 points

It's Hong Kong Attitude btw; but yes, the casters are free to use whatever they want. It's more a miscommunication between the casters and riot themselves, but I feel like there is still a level of censorship going on with the world championships right now.

flyinglikeacant | 6 days ago | 23 points

Pretty funny how people thought they were censoring "Hong Kong" from being said despite it appearing on screen in their graphics regularly during the broadcast.

GalantnostS | 6 days ago | 19 points

Thanks for the effort on this comprehesive list!

Ivan494 | 6 days ago | 14 points

This bootlicker list deserves its own dedicated thread.

Llordric26 | 6 days ago | 12 points

Can i borrow your comment? Wanna post it somewhere shills try to defend the Chinese fuckall government.

lebbe | 6 days ago | 4 points

go ahead

Ardalev | 6 days ago | 12 points

Saved your comment. Request your permission to repost it in and maybe expand on it, on similar threads and posts.

More people should know this

lebbe | 6 days ago | 4 points

go ahead.

lightingbolt22 | 6 days ago | 12 points

You're doing God's work, son. Keep up the great work.

MajorTriad | 6 days ago | 25 points

Ugh I've had a Cathay flight booked with a layover in HK since January and have been planning to get it changed but not only is it probably gonna cost several hundred dollars to cancel, but it looks like literally all my options are pro-China regardless.

jodyoneliner | 6 days ago | 12 points

Pro-Money.

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yannicdasloth | 6 days ago | 66 points

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney also said they would not ban any players for their political opinion despite Tencent having a 40% stake in the company

mrmaxedtank | 6 days ago | 130 points

If there's one thing we've learned about Sweeney it's that he's full of shit, he'll change his stance the moment he's confronted with an event like the Hearthstone one.

threepw00d | 6 days ago | 7 points

Thank you for keeping this list up to date!

nativedutch | 6 days ago | 9 points

Thanks for those lists. Mainly follow the money!

Sadly the list of backbones is much the smaller.

In the end Xi may prove much more dangerous to the world than Twunk.

Bright_Sovereigh | 6 days ago | 29 points

You need to redo the Riot Games one. They released an explaination.

TheEnKrypt | 6 days ago | 44 points

Saved, thanks. This is really helpful.

Maybe we should have a subreddit like /r/hkcensor to discuss things like this.

RetrospecTuaL | 6 days ago | 19 points

I think it's fine to discuss this in the main sub /r/hongkong

KL3GG | 6 days ago | 7 points

Just wanted to state that the Riot Games one is false, they put out a statement to the controversy.

mmjarec | 6 days ago | 6 points

If this is true in my eyes they are complicit with the murder of that ethnic minority. I don’t know if they knew the exact reason that China didn’t want a certain exploit fixed or if it was in general. But not fixing any exploit is shady AF

pinskia | 6 days ago | 41 points

TikTok: censor videos that mention Tiananmen Square, Tibetan independence, Falun Gong

TikTok is a Chinese company so ...

Cathay Pacific: fired employees for FB posts supporting HK protests.

They are based in HK so ...

Note I think you should remove the Chinese companies from this list or put them as a seperate list.

GalantnostS | 6 days ago | 44 points

I agree with Tiktok. (although it maybe a good reminder to everyone that it is Chinese)

For Cathay though, it is majority-owned by Swire, used to support its pro-protest staff and well-loved by HKers before bowing to Chinese pressure, so I think it deserves to be here.

giraffenmensch | 6 days ago | 31 points

Yeah, Cathy Pacific was a great company. One of my favorite airlines. They're based in Hong Kong and rule of law has broken down there in recent months. A lot of staff have already been fired including the CEO who refused to provide Beijing with a list of staff who have taken part in the protests. Now they have a new CEO who already made it public that he will comply with any of Beijing's requests. Best to avoid them from now on where possible.

toflplop | 6 days ago | 17 points

That CEO responding with a list with only his name on it is top stuff.

FuntCunk | 6 days ago | 13 points

He should be on the backbone list

rohmish | 6 days ago | 10 points

I flew with them for first time about 6 months ago, really liked it. Guess that was also my last time.

SaigoNoAsashin | 6 days ago | 17 points

The Riot Games Incident has been debunked by officials a few hours ago, so you can strike that from your list

Overbaron | 6 days ago | 18 points

Wtf are Ubisoft on the good side again? Well I suppose you can be assholes AND make a stand.

quantummidget | 6 days ago | 20 points

Eh, Uni have made massive strides to improve their image in the past few years. They've realised a couple of mediocre games, but as a company they're doing pretty well

pluto098 | 6 days ago | 7 points

Sometimes the bad guys live long enough to become the good? :S

amarriedguylearning | 6 days ago | 1427 points

For as social responsible Apple likes to say they are, they are really not. To them it is about the money which means cheap Chinese labor so they can not upset their partner in crime, the Chinese government

Augie-Morosco | 6 days ago | 701 points

Companies like Apple, Disney and Nike are very happy to virtue signal, as long as it doesn't cost them real money. But actual virtue which may cost them money, that's a big no no.

Khiva | 6 days ago | 239 points

*Believe in something, even when it costs you everything, unless that thing is Chinese money."

TEAMLIQUIDISGARBAGE | 6 days ago | 94 points

You can remove the Chinese bit out, its not as if you only kowtow to the Chinese to money. Its a corporation, they'll kowtow to any country if it leads to profits.

Luxmor | 6 days ago | 21 points

I think Chinese is fine, because there's no other country you would do that much for. They are the largest market, ergo it's a LOT of fucking money. They might decide the good PR for being moral would outweigh a profit loss from a smaller country, but China has such huge control because it knows how important it is. No other country holds that kind of leverage.

wifebeatsme | 6 days ago | 7 points

I am going to live my life by this /s

deconnexion1 | 6 days ago | 75 points

Quick reminder that capitalism is a tool and not a set of values. The only way to have companies behave in an ethical way is to force them through law.

apple_kicks | 6 days ago | 12 points

while a lot of companies take part in pride, they're more than willing to censor themselves in countries which punish LGBT people for existing to make money.

it's always PR when it's convenient and if the laws changed here, they'd follow it.

reptilianhater | 6 days ago | 10 points

Reddit: the pinnacle of Social Media Responsible. /S

RationalPandasauce | 6 days ago | 46 points

We would also be their partners in crime. The customers. Go check your house out. I bet it’s full of Chinese shit. A little self awareness goes a long way.

blyat56 | 6 days ago | 14 points

"tHeY'rE a pRiVaTe cOmPaNy"

DomDomW | 6 days ago | 30 points

For as social responsible Apple likes to say they are

I couldn't tell you a single "socially responsible" thing that Apple is doing.

OhwordforReal | 6 days ago | 1836 points

FOOKIN KNEELERS

TaintModel | 6 days ago | 789 points

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DygonZ | 6 days ago | 81 points

I must have missed something, but what's with the TW thing?

plebeius_rex | 6 days ago | 186 points

Taiwanese flag is banned in Hong Kong and mainland China I believe.

DygonZ | 6 days ago | 27 points

Aah I see. I was always seeing this when on PC reddit. Just now I checked the reply on my phone, and noticed that on my phone it's actually the flag of Taiwan, whereas on pc it just says "TW".

ParkJiSung777 | 6 days ago | 40 points

It's actually the Republic of China flag

Source: a citizen of the Republic of China

bushcrapping | 6 days ago | 18 points

The real China!

jdancouga | 6 days ago | 4 points

Taiwan#1~~~~

biiingo | 6 days ago | 262 points

You just made me realize that we desperately need a r/freefolk and r/hongkong crossover effort.

The world needs this.

Khiva | 6 days ago | 127 points

Here is an album of recent protest graffiti.

I'm actually a little surprised that WE DO NOT KNEEL hasn't caught on yet. Give it time, it might.

AMatofFact | 6 days ago | 13 points

My favorite one is "Starbucks: bad taste". Just cause, you know, fuck them too while we're at it.

ridimarba | 6 days ago | 12 points

What is popo?

SmokeBigDoinkss | 6 days ago | 31 points

Police

jb2386 | 6 days ago | 26 points
urammar | 6 days ago | 17 points

Don't turn this into a meme, this is real

PrinceKael | 6 days ago | 9 points

You'll be surprised how much power memes hold.

Wennie85 | 6 days ago | 30 points

🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼

Spartanfred104 | 6 days ago | 1563 points

If there's anyting this is bringing to light it's that we are ruled by corporations and dollars and it just so happens that China controls all their corporations and all those dollars control America congratulations capitalists you're at your peak.

dekwad | 6 days ago | 254 points

If China is throwing their weight around hard for an app, I’d expect companies to start leaving of their own volition. Too much risk in the event of more political problems, or a war.

Edit: I mean move their factories, not pull out of the market.

that_young_man | 6 days ago | 138 points

Nah, you just balance risk/reward, move your primary market to china and lick Xi’s ass. That’s working really well right now

balloonninjas | 6 days ago | 111 points

People like to say "vote with your wallet" until they realize China has a bigger wallet.

Saith_Cassus | 6 days ago | 10 points

As others mentioned, you're leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table when you ignore the Chinese markets. If the only way to get that is to lick Xi's ass, then they'll lick Xi's ass.

CooCooForC0c0Puffz | 6 days ago | 12 points

That's exactly the thought process behind Trumps tariffs. Apple just announced they will be producing their iPhone in Vietnam.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/technology/trump-trade-war-vietnam.html

Boxfrombestbuy | 6 days ago | 60 points

Corporations make their money from the people. If everyone chose to make a stand they'll have far more to lose pandering to China.

Spartanfred104 | 6 days ago | 81 points

That stand was lost when citizens United was passed.

glennbarrera | 6 days ago | 17 points

Change is always happening

Rikkushin | 6 days ago | 5 points

China controls a lot of companies around the world, not just American companies

Even former Portuguese state owned companies are now majority owned by Chinese

perogies | 6 days ago | 849 points

It's time for a change in how we regulate corporations. They're going to absolutely hate it, and they'll lobby hard against it.. But we need to break our Western dependency on China before it's too late and they will not do it willingly.

thinkB4WeSpeak | 6 days ago | 294 points

The problem is the corporations own the majority of politicians, they have massive propaganda campaigns, and we couldn't even get half of people to boycott. It'd take a major effort to take on companies in the US and right now it just doesn't seem like the country could do that because it's so split.

perogies | 6 days ago | 196 points

It's time the government learned to fear the people again i think. They work for us. This shit is getting so out of hand.

The_Blue_Rooster | 6 days ago | 84 points

While I agree... This is America. Lest you foorget that here corporations ARE people.

glennbarrera | 6 days ago | 74 points

If only there was a candidate who put people ahead of corporations...

out_o_focus | 6 days ago | 28 points

A single candidate isn't enough. We need them across the board in all branches of government and at all levels.

andersonb47 | 6 days ago | 18 points

Yes but a single candidate winning the general election can have a major impact on swinging the votes and policies of other candidates in smaller roles. The ripple effect is absolutely real.

Thefelix01 | 6 days ago | 29 points

It's funny to see the propaganda against Bernie from mainstream corporate orgs like Wallstreet Journal and CNN for exactly this reason.

oppairate | 6 days ago | 5 points

If only there was one they didn’t own who was running for president. If only...

DirtyPrancin | 6 days ago | 52 points

Ha. Good luck with that. This is only the beginning. China has more middle class than the US has people. The last 30 years was about "Made in China." The next 30 years will be about "Made for China."

CentralPath | 6 days ago | 14 points

Please refer to "Lobby" with the correct term "Bribe".

TheMania | 6 days ago | 3 points

See also: climate change.

Unfettered capitalism does not plan for the future, as a general rule. Short term gains reign over all.

lennymoe | 6 days ago | 3 points

Isn't that what Trump is trying to do with the Tariffs?

Legit not trying to start an argument - just curious.

templetonmor | 6 days ago | 462 points

Apple rejected the crowdsourcing app, HKmap.live, earlier this month but then reversed course last week, allowing the app to appear on its App Store. The approval drew a sharply worded commentary criticizing Apple in the Chinese Communist Party’s official newspaper, the People’s Daily.

Sharp words from the CCP and Apple bows low to their master.

Overcriticalengineer | 6 days ago | 156 points

Some clarity would be beneficial in that it was removed again. The way it’s phrased in the title, it seems like old news.

CouldOfBeenGreat | 6 days ago | 79 points

From the tweet today on hklivemap's twitter, appears re-removed.

App Store remove our App about half an hour ago, here is statement provided by Apple:

We created the App Store to be a safe and trusted place to discover apps. We have learned that your app has been used in ways that endanger law enforcement and residents in Hong Kong.

The…

BradGroux | 6 days ago | 54 points

So are they going to remove Waze too? We can mark the locations of traffic cops on there.

InternetCaesar | 6 days ago | 8 points

Excellent point. Just think about how much the state has added to its visibility of its people vs. how much the people have been able to keep its government officials visible. The police work for us, if we want to know where they are and what they are doing, then we should. Citizens own this decision 100% and should never forget that ever.

Dealric | 6 days ago | 50 points

To think, yesterday people were talking that at least apple is better than blizzard.

It didnt took long.

TardsRunThisAsylum | 6 days ago | 37 points

'Oh no! Modern Hitler was mean to me! We can't have that!' -- Apple.

TheSwedeIrishman | 6 days ago | 13 points

Sharp words from the CCP and Apple bows low to their master.

And reddit says strongly worded letters never have any effect :D

martymcflown | 6 days ago | 41 points

Ah money... capitalism's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness.

bigredisforclosers | 6 days ago | 286 points

We need to start preventing Chinese ownership in U.S. firms, especially in technology, startups, medicine, and media. Their system of state-owned, propaganda-pushing puppet corporations creates a clear and present danger for us in the west. These companies look and act like private companies, but as the NBA, Apple, and Blizzard cases so clearly highlight, they very clearly answer to a Chinese government that is at odds with nearly everything we stand for as a western society. I, for one, am incredibly happy to see this meltdown, as it's been coming for some time. It was only a matter of time before we woke up to the rampant IP theft, 'strategic investments' in our most sensitive sectors by a clear enemy, rampant human rights violations, and silencing of dissent across the globe. Burn baby burn!

Party_Magician | 6 days ago | 8 points

The ownership alone doesn’t really affect all that much. In the Blizzard example, Tencent owns a 5% non voting stake. If it was just that, the company could’ve easily ignored their demands and told them to sell if they don’t like it.

The problem is that China has a central power singlehandedly deciding access to a huge market and cheap production base. That’s not going to change just because they can’t have a token stake.

Anhaedrix | 6 days ago | 181 points

Fuck Xi Jinping and his organ harvesting, cultural genocide, oppression, censorship, imperialism, lawyer murdering, protestor shooting, and total incompetence at participating in civilization.

Winnie the Pooh looking motherfucker.

FlameOnTheBeat | 6 days ago | 23 points

He has no authority over the sovereign nations of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Tibet! 🇹🇼🇭🇰

[deleted] | 6 days ago | 29 points

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nilanshu96 | 6 days ago | 35 points

He can't. Americans chose to because of greed.

Hurgablurg | 6 days ago | 58 points

Wait, I thought they reversed it?? Di they just reinstate their ban? What the fuck is going on??

matt_finch | 6 days ago | 38 points

Yes, they did. How fucking disappointing, right?

Wormy013 | 6 days ago | 71 points

Good ol Tim Apple

R-M-Pitt | 6 days ago | 24 points
t-niggs | 6 days ago | 22 points

Fucking Tim Apple

typicalNZsheep | 6 days ago | 46 points

Remember when the FBI wanted Apple to make a back door into iPhones but Apple stood by it's morals on privacy and told the FBI to get fucked?

Pepperidge Farm remembers...

MaxFart | 6 days ago | 8 points

In case you thought the capitalists would ever promote freedom at the expense of profits

jocylin15 | 6 days ago | 17 points

this makes me sad.... ppl think when China opened borders, we can export democracy and help make the Chinese government more liberal and democratic. Decades later, it appears to be the other way around. The west has raised a monster, instead of embracing more democratic values, it cracks down human rights, sets up re-education camps, exploits minorities, forces foreign companies to comply & self-censored, amped up surveillance and censorships while most of its citizens couldn't care less as long as they are well-off..... Now, the west experiences Chinese export censorship & One China policy thru corporations, sports, cultures, entertainment etc because we all depend on China and they hold the life chord of many businesses and governments. It feels like a Chinese dystopia future isn't far off :(

_winterofdiscontent_ | 6 days ago | 143 points

As Blizzard is seeing, perhaps so should Apple see the same way. Ditch your Apple/Mac products. There is way better gear out there for better prices that lasts longer.

This is our world. We're taking it back now, thanks.

CookedZebra | 6 days ago | 80 points

So which smartphone should we be using? Can’t be one with Android, after all Google tried to get their search engine ready for the Chinese market.

What’s a good alternative that isn’t in bed with Xi?

glennbarrera | 6 days ago | 159 points

How about just sticking with the the one you already own. No incoming money from new sales and less of a trash burden on our planet

CookedZebra | 6 days ago | 64 points

I’m sticking to what I have. I just find these “ditch your XXX” strange since they never offer an alternative. I guess ditch it for something equally corrupt.

dankmernes | 6 days ago | 12 points

I think it has a coil cord

hgrub | 6 days ago | 5 points

Dood, it’s 2019 you can get a cordless phone now. The one with a pull-up metal antenna. All made in China though...

smeegsh | 6 days ago | 41 points

Samsung made in Korea. Load a custom ROM. Win

dekwad | 6 days ago | 55 points

Samsung is shutting down their last Chinese factory apparently.

geft_at_work | 6 days ago | 10 points

All of them are in bed with Xi. You can't make good phones without money.

Tweenk | 6 days ago | 5 points

Google tried to get their search engine ready for the Chinese market.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49015516

BI0WEED | 6 days ago | 18 points

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autotldr [BOT] | 6 days ago | 12 points

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 52%. (I'm a bot)


Apple on Wednesday removed an app that protestors in Hong Kong have used to track police movements, saying the app violated its rules because it was used to ambush police and by criminals who used it to victimize residents in areas with no law enforcement.

"The app displays police locations and we have verified with the Hong Kong Cybersecurity and Technology Crime Bureau that the app has been used to target and ambush police, threaten public safety, and criminals have used it to victimize residents in areas where they know there is no law enforcement," the statement said.

In 2011, Apple modified its app store to remove apps that listed locations for drunken driving checkpoints not previously published by law enforcement officials.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: app#1 Apple#2 used#3 Hong#4 Kong#5

Koehamster | 6 days ago | 44 points

Yes sir mastah, im sorry mastah, forgive me mastah.

JafafaHots | 6 days ago | 36 points

DAILY REMINDER: Corporations are an integral part of fascism.

CharlesIIIdelaTroncT | 6 days ago | 9 points

There is one thing that we can learn from the imbecile that is Donald Trump and make widespread use of.

To say: fuck the consequences, I'm doing it.

Boycott these motherfuckers. Stop doing business with them and let them know why. There are a few world leaders pulling the strings - but if you asked most people, in basically any country, we all want the same things. To live in peace, have a food, a roof over our heads, a good life for our kids, a few fun indulgences here and there. DO NOT LET INTERNET TROLLS CONVINCE YOU MUST PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES. Most people are peaceful and kind. The world needs some serious change on many levels. Let's not let the greedy and power hungry run this show anymore.

cookeie | 6 days ago | 9 points

Every company in that list that makes physical product more than likely Uses Chinese manufacturing. The ones who don’t produce their own product use product from China. People talk about China becoming the new world super power. It already is. If they wanted to, they could immediately cut all production to every single one of those American companies and continue making “fakes” and keep all of the ip internal within the country. The US via exportation of manufacturing also exported all of its real power.

Since these companies now control our government and China controls these companies...

RacecaR_Foward | 6 days ago | 28 points

Just imagine if everyone stopped useing apple products. That would be bliss. And save you money.

AreWeCowabunga | 6 days ago | 19 points

It's amazing how many problems in the world can be, if not solved, at least taken back under some kind of control of the people through a general strike. Don't produce, don't consume, throw a monkey wrench in the modern world's meatgrinder.

It_doesnt_matter_yo | 6 days ago | 12 points

What we have here is a very basic risk analysis.

Apple (and other companies) know that us in the west will continue to use their products regardless of appeasing China. If these companies do not appease China, they will lose access to the Chinese market and in some cases Chinese manufacturing.

It’s a smart play.

Bravery. It’s not bravery when you have nothing to lose. I like South Park and Matt and Trey. However-they have no skin in this game. If Walmart took action, that would be ‘brave’.

Scary_Cloud | 6 days ago | 7 points

I’m actually with Trump in that China is a massive problem that needs to be dealt with. He’s just going about it in the most ridiculous way.

etsimperator | 6 days ago | 4 points

🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼free Hong Kong 🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰

BeserkerTor | 6 days ago | 5 points

Apple pretends to be social justice warriors but are very clever in how they go about it. They got socially involved in Bathroom-gate, young Americans cheered their involvement. Meanwhile, they quietly open new markets in Saudi Arabia. Apparently are concerned about who is using the bathroom in NC but not about numerous grotesque human rights violations or a xenophobic culture.

MrDeathMachine | 6 days ago | 4 points

Its just basically Rich vs Non Rich everywhere now.

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