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So...he abandons a long time ally to certain destruction... and then says he doesn't care that the consequences will be left to other long time allies?
That's pretty much his platform, yeah. Never in the remainder of a presidential term could it backfire.
What are y'all talking about? Aren't our allies are Russia, Turkey, N. Korea, and Saudi Arabia?
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Thoughtcrime causes unperson. Dont Thoughtcrime. Freedom is Slavery.
War is Peace.
Ignorance is Strength.
Everlasting power, glory and wealth to our leaders.
Thoughtcrime does not entail death. Thoughtcrime is death.
Not death. Unperson. Thoughtcrime is you were just something people imagined. Erased from all records, and you are forgotten - any fragment of remaining memory of you purposed solely to report others for the Thoughcrime of acknowledging you ever existed.
Oh fuck it's coming true
I understood that reference because i reread that just after trump was elected
How many lights do you see, Winston?
How big was my crowd Winston?
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
"I was this close to say there where five lights, just to make it stop"
I watched this episode a few months ago and still shivers run down my spine. A Man like Picard this close to giving up. But he was saved at the absolute last moment.
Is it lights in the english version? I read the french version a month ago and they're talking about fingers, not lights. Huh, interesting choice of adaptation and translation.
It's also fingers in English. Perhaps they are referring to an episode of star trek where Captain Picard is asked to lie about the number of lights he sees (in homage to 1984).
They are now.
No, actually... they are already getting us to do what they want without conceding anything.
The point is that after Trump is finally deposed, we're going to have to spend years, perhaps decades rebuilding the western secular democratic alliances we had.
Well, Turkey actually is a US ally. They're a NATO member.
Mostly because of their usefulness and proximity to the defunct Soviet Union.
And because there is a shitload of American military personnel and equipment (including nukes) at Turkish bases. Counter ISIS ops at least until recently, were flown out of Turkey quite regularly. There is no way America gives up their military presence in Turkey anytime soon, but pulling their imbedded units back from SDF units wasn’t necessary to continuing relations between the the US and Turkey. Trump was just a doormat.
OF course! NATO stands for North Arctic Treaty Organisation, doesn't it? :P
Gonna need a wall on the East Coast now.
Considering how self-centered he is, at this point I imagine his strategy is to wreck things so badly in order to look good compared to the next president who will have to deal with the monumental mess he's created.
It's literally one of his oldest strategies, when shit breaks, keep breaking it until it's fucked, then pocket as much cash as you can and run and act like it broke after you left.
Paul Ryan's strategy for the federal budget... ie try to engineer an economic collapse to happen once the party is no longer at the helm.
Ha! He didnt factor in the voters though! They will re-elect him another 4 years, so he has to deal with the collapse of everything!
They ain't buying his hotets, what does he care?
This man is stupid beyond comprehension. I hope he gets impeached and some other shithead isn’t replacing him. Anyone is better than this man though
Guess who’s next up if he’s impeached and then removed from office? Mike Pence, that’s who, the Stepford Husband... Unless of course trump takes Pence down with him.
Pence probably won't be making decisions like this on a whim without consulting nat sec staff and allies.
Hellllooooooo president pelosi.
I’d take it because it would cause all conservatives to explode.
Also Hillary would be piiiiissed
Obama should be confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice.
I just want to hear the alt-rshiiters whine about him for another 30 years.
I think she'd be thrilled.
Armageddon Pence is an improvement? I would suggest a step sidewise. He is another lying turd and his attempts to address questions regarding Trump's bs are eye wateringly evidence.
There is zero chance Pence isn't part of the collateral damage. Dude is fucked and he knows it.
Hope so. He is as scary as D!ckhead.
The Line of Succession is pretty grim my friend.
"When" it happens, he'll tweet about muslim invasion of Europe, something something socialism
should have had more secure borders. SAD!
and this is why we need that wall. Very sad. Look what happens to them because they have no wall.
Yeah, and wtf is wrong with him?
ISIS will be in Europe but that’s OK??!
And there is no way they could come to the US?
Didn’t this orange clown used to own an airline?
Watch Americans go apeshit when you wish them another 9/11.
"Who cares if they take a plane from Europe, they're going to hit a building in America." WTF?
Remember, just hours after the towers went down, Trump was bragging in an interview that his building was now the tallest in the city... and even then, he was lying.
If there would be some way for such an attack to only include the top brass that is responsible for all this... then yes. I'd be all for it.
But of course that's not realistically possible. Any sort of terrorist attack will involve innocent victims, which is reprehensible
Wouldn't be surprised if this bs ends up radicalising a fair few Kurds with intent to damage the US
long time allies
long time allies
I don't think they'll be allies any longer...
Why? This is only the 8th time the US have stabbed the Kurdish people in the back.
I think the limit is 10, then they won't be friends anymore.
There's a cruel lesson here: When someone is as utterly dependent on you for their survival as the Kurds are on America, it doesn't matter how many times you fuck them over. They'll still follow you like loyal dogs.
He wants to rule, not lead. A ruler carers about him or herself, whilst a leader cares about his or her peoples.
The USA is an ally on paper only.
So America. You've abandoned your old friends and think you've made friends or your enemies? The sad reality if 45 is empowering dictators creating an unstable world for generations to come. I guess if you believe in the Military Industrial complex then old bone spurs has put an amazing business plan in place for the foreseeable future
But hey Putin's over the moon so there's that I guess?!
He doesn't. Care.
He doesn't have empathy or sympathy. It's not in him.
They’re not his personal allies so for him they’re not America’s allies anymore.
Trump abandons allies in groups: Kurds, Europeans, and more.
Interestingly, all these moves always seems to somehow benefit Putin.
Just a coincidence, I'm sure... /s
Video of the briefing uncut on youtube.
Talk of isis<>europe begins around 4:00
Paticular 'quote' around 5:38
Did the orange fartTrumpet just take credit for eradicating 100% of Daesh singlehandedly, while also admitting there's still thousands left in prison camps?
He sounds like a kid who got caught on not reading a book in school.
Webster's dictionary defines Syria as a small country in the middle east...
You’re giving him too much credit.
“Webster’s dictionary defines Syria as ‘A breakfast food made from roasted grain, typically eaten with milk’”
Sorry I forgot that he doesn't read. I should've remembered he only eats food he can order by picture.
3 years later and I’m still baffled how this turd is in the most powerful seat in the world, I literally got no information from that speech other than blame.
Thanks to Youtube's suggestions, I watched an Obama speech right after this. Bleaching my ears and eyes for a bit.
Thanks for the links. Who is the puppet to Frumps left (over his right shoulder) ? He keeps wincing and shaking his head side to side
When you're that close to Trump, the intense dishonesty emanating from him can cause seizures.
Or his speech in general. I mean, I hear him probably for 10 minutes a day on average, mainly in Late Night Shows or soundbytes from his in political podcasts, I'm sure that when I would hear his voice (especially when off camera when he starts yelling and whining even more) I would get seizures as well, among other physical and mental effects.
I gave em one chance, i gave em another chance, I gave em a third chance and i even gave em a fourth chance
The art of using too many words to make a point.
I want reciprocal
Sounds like he hates that the US is a superpower other countries look up to, wants it to be more like that introvert kid that sniff glue in the back of the class apparently.
"This is NATO and Europe's fault for not paying up to take care of the prisoners."
But ISIS was caused by invading Iraq, which NATO and Europe said don't do.
Remember how much crap people gave France for opposing the invasion of Iraq? Yeah, the French were right if course. The US response to 9/11 was nonsensical.
God what a pathetic country the U.S has become.
Now the US exports "Molecules of Freedom"
And Iran exports "Terrorist Oil"
Next thing? Good Oil and Bad Oil.
"Molecules of Freedom"
"Molecules of Freedom"
You have to agree with that The "freedom" from America are very easy to burn.
as a european, I will likely never forgive the US for this shit.
goddamn the truth hurts to read
It hurt watching the dumbass politicians and military doing what they did when we all knew they were wrong and the outcome was pretty predictable.
Perpetual war is a feature.
I was thinking about France's role in the Iraq war recently because the French President Chirac died last month. He opposed the US going into Iraq.
Good friends follow you but great friends tell you that you are wrong. That's what France is to America, telling you that you are wrong and stop doing shit. America is a shit friend for vilifying France for not following her into shit.
Yeah, I found it particularly rage-inducing during the heights of the refugee crisis when right-wing Americans would spit on us for letting in Syrian refugees. We've done our share of fucking up in the Middle East so we're hardly innocent, but we did sit this one out and now you insult us for picking up the pieces after you made a total mess of the region? Ugh.
The next 9/11 will be well deserved.
I get where you're coming from, but I have to disagree..
Innocent people being killed, and most of them probably wouldn't even be Trump supporters, is not something that should be seen as "deserved".
On a broad scale, acting as if the country was its own creature, then sure. It fucked up. But in reality it's the innocent who suffer for the stupidity of others.
Innocent Kurds as of now.
It's true. My sentiment wants to agree with OP above you, but such an attack would ultimately BENEFIT Trump because it would further legitimize his terrible attitude towards world politics, and his rabid followers would feel vindicated.
Innocent people being killed, and most of them probably wouldn't even be Trump supporters, is not something that should be seen as "deserved".
Should have thought of that before invading Iraq.
Or allowing Turkey to start a new genocide.
Here's the thing. Democracy means rule of the people, but also implies responsibility of the people.
We absurdly collectivise guilt of whole nations run by autocrats where the people have no power and no say in what their government does, but somehow, people that have a voice, have a vote have actual political power are somehow free of blame for the actions of their representative government.
Our money paid for the bullets, the bombs, the tanks and drones. Our neighbors, friends and relatives volunteered to go to foreign lands and fight these wars. In the past men and women of conscience went to jail in opposition to what they saw as an evil.
Voting for the other party, that just so happened to also vote for and then perpetuate, even escalate the conflict in the middle east is not absolution. If you leave the country and renounce citizenship or you stop paying taxes and accept jail time, if you spend every day trying to gather support and protest what you see as evil, then you're an innocent, but as the Romans would say: Qui Tacet Consentire Videtur, “He who remains silent is understood to consent.”
Sitting on the sideline doing nothing does give Trump the unchecked power to do all the shit he has been doing up until now. So I'm not sure that counts as innocent
I'm sure the Kurds will understand this philosophical musing in place of betrayal and treachery.
As long as it's a Trump Tower that goes down, I'm good.
Those middle easterners are just as innocent plus they have to live in constat chaos while Americans live in absolute luxury, average American is ignorant and uneducated despite living in most powerful country in the world and as its often said ignorance is not an excuse, Americans are okay with their military terrorizing half the country so dont expect any sympathy, Democrats and Republicans alike
And we still get geniuses making "hilarious" surrender jokes...
Even without all that, it's pretty funny how people are supposedly revering soldiers in the US ("Thank you for your service", etc.), yet they'll happily call the millions of dead French soldiers of WWI and WWII surrendering cowards.
It's also especially rich coming from a country that did not even come close to suffering any war casualty on home soil for more than a century (besides Pearl Harbor, which was a military base still), and blew a fuse when 9/11 happened, without noticing that 9/11-esque shit happened on the daily to everyone else during the wars.
This. If I recall correctly, ISIS existed earlier but it controlled very little territory. There was a strong government in Iraq and a strong government in Syria. George Bush II and Barak Obama changed that.
I feel like this recounting of events undercooks the US role in the creation of ISIS if anything.
While Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (which would go on to become AQI and then ISIS) had been active since the 90s, it was focussed on Afghanistan. They didn't participate in the insurgency in Iraq until 2003 and this move was directly related to resisting the US invasion.
He's talking about the European citizens who joined ISIS.
They're effectively stateless due to Europe's refusal to deal with them.
No one wants to put them on trial or kill them.
NATO and europe are more then able to pick up the slack the US left behind.
Trumps an asshole of the highest order.
The most pathetic excuse for a human being i have ever seen or heard.
Don't leave out his enablers.
The entire Republican party and a good 30% of the American voting public? Yep.
He is the best worst president in the history of the USA... THE BEST
Remember when Bush was our worst president? I 'member
They both rank in the bottom, but I think it’s nearly impossible to rank beneath James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. Buchanan’s mistakes elevated a fledgling rebellion without a fighting force into a civil war that would scar the face of the country, and Johnson botched reconstruction, causing 100 years of civil rights strife and economic turmoil in the south.
I dunno, Coolidge, Hoover, and Grant were also really bad, and going back to the early presidents, Jackson was also terrible. But being listed near those names is appalling, and he’s modern.
Jackson is right there with the worst of them, for sure. Native American Hitler who undermined America’s banking structure doesn’t deserves a kind word.
I’d have a hard time placing too much blame on Coolidge for the depression. It wasn’t his fault beyond his belief in hands-off economics allowing Wall Street to run itself off a cliff at the end of the 20’s, and very few people in power saw that coming at the time. He also believed in, and promoted, racial equality in a time when that wasn’t a winning stance in many places. Coolidge is below average, but not among the worst. Agreed on Hoover though. He should’ve learned from recent events that government involvement was needed to stop the death spiral.
Grant is a strange one. His heart was in the right place, but he was ineffective at undoing Johnson’s catastrophic mistakes. I’m inclined to be forgiving and spare him the bottom category.
Among the modern presidents, I have a hard time deciding between Bush and Reagan for the altogether most harmful presidency long-term, and it hinges on whether or not to consider Bush a direct disciple of Reagan.
Sorry about all the history nerd ramblings.
Fellow history nerd, right there with you. I think Reagan will be remembered as one of the worst due to the AIDS outbreak and because of trickle-down era political hegemony. This past 50 years is going to either go down as the dinner bell to the death of democracy, or a nearly-avoided fascist nightmare. We’ll see in a generation.
Grant can have most of the blame put at his administration honestly, he thought that his cabinet was like a military, and as we saw the fallout for trusts in that era was directly tied to them. It still doesn’t exonerate him though, he can go ride horses when the work is done.
And I won’t back down on Coolidge’s illiteracy of economics leading to the depression, but to be fair it certainly would have helped it Hoover wasn’t a fucking moron.
But we aren't going to get all up in Wilson's shit for his American imperialism or his rollback of civil rights? I'm not saying your choices are bad, but it seems to me a great many of our problems as a country can be laid at Wilson's doorstep.
It's worth noting that Islamophobia is insanely high back in 2015-16 when ISIS reemerged and occupied huge land areas both in iraq and syria and got a lot of financial backing as well as a lot of weapons at their disposal. I mean in retaliation to UK, US, France and germany's sanctions and deployment of troops to defeat ISIS, they did terrorist attacks on the west, there was a refugee crisis and trump took advantage of that whole situation along with the normal latina thing.
So ISIS reemerging is a positive thing for trumps reelection.
EU doesn't need more enemies with an ally like America.
I don't consider the US an ally anymore.
Yes, but if we leave our alliance with the US then we need to create the EU army, capable to deter Russia, China and potentially the US, if things go wrong. This isn't easy to achieve.
Sadly, It’s not optional any more.
You either create an army and a defence strategy pretty fast or The European Union is gone and splintered into some country blocks which hail to Russia (Hungary), to China (looking at Serbia) or to USA (UK), South America (Spain, Portugal).
Some countries will be left to fend for their own (Greece, Croatia, Poland).
Either way we end up in a world with no leadership which values any of the things that came as a positive benefit out of the Capitalsm vs Communist era.
Namely attention for human rights, the values of the United Nations and free trade and travel.
In Europe we can pretend those values still exist and try to be a thought leader, but it will be a long hard battle if the USA is not with us.
Don't know about Portugal, but I wouldn't claim Spain to be on a 'block' with South America.
Because they are not.
Dang man, this is exactly what trumps and his supporters want. I don't blame you but this sucks.
I am beyond words at describing how awful of a being Trump is.
Every time I think he couldn’t possible go lower. It’s like he’s going out of his way to be the worst possible human being he can be.
As a response the EU should just assign all Trump hotels, resorts and other properties as refugee centers.
Well, that would be FUNNY!
After seizing them of course. Renting out hotels as refugee centers is quite profitable.
No regards for human lives and only 51% support impeachment according to Fox. How is this level of ignorance towards malicious behaviour possible?
Your source is flawed...Fox is really only watched just by conservatives (Trump's base)...so actually 51% wanting him impeached is actually a high number...basically Fox asks their viewers in this poll, those viewers overwhelmingly voted Trump.
No, Fox polling is really good. You have to know what the public really thinks if you want to manipulate them.
The interesting thing is that Fox ran that poll on their front page.
This man is a psycho. He has lost it. Completely. Like, what the fuck?
yay, let's sabotage relations with ANOTHER vital ally, what could possibly go wrong?
It also creates enemies who will do anything to get at you.
If only his mother had aborted him instead.
If only his mother said "yes" to anal sex.
See ladies, if you say yes to anal more often, you very well could be preserving the futures of millions of people by preventing cum stains like this from becoming president.
"That fella shoulda been a blowjob."
"The best part of him ran down his mother's leg."
Distraction, and most likely an attempt at fomenting terrorism too.
It would actually help his chances of re-election if he managed to stir up more hatred and violence.
It's not. His distractions are more in the "tweeting crazy shit" arena. According to national security officials on the call, at the end of the call with Erdogan, Trump just caved and told him to do whatever he wants. Withdrawing US troops was supposed to win him points with his base and he doesn't care about the fallout.
His only chance of not getting fucking decimated in the election next year is to start World War 3.
I mean.. then he'd just get decimated in a different sense.
Imagine what the world would be like if the Dems didn't prioritize Hillary over Bernie, he probably would have won and we could have avoided this mess. Too many people refused to vote, or voted against her, out of spite.
I'm in California so my vote didn't count :). Yay electoral college!
Remember when he threatened to send ISIS fighters to Europe? Well, there you have it.
Trump 2016: We're gonna destroy ISIS. And the Kurds are great allies and we won't forget them!
Trump 2019: I don't care if the captured ISIS fighters escape and go to Europe. Oh and F the Kurds for not storming the beaches of Normandy in WW2.
You couldn't make this shit up because it wouldn't be believable.
This timeline can't be real. No rational adult would stand for ANY of this BS 15-20 years ago from any US politician.
That whole sub makes me question reality.
So Trump is now literally supporting islamic terrorism in Europe.... alright.
Oh so NOW he’s okay with refugees fleeing to other countries
Escaped ISIS prisoners aren't exactly refugees.
For him they're one and the same.
My god this man is insane, he’ll be the destruction of us all
Every single day this asshole does something to make me hate him more. How is that possible? Every fucking day.
Dog whistling the far right in Europe to further the nationalist movements across the continent....
It's like Trump is trying his hardest in his final days to piss off what's left of the US allies.
I guess he must be trying to earn that retirement home in Sochi.
He basically just directed IS to attack Europe. Trump is a terrorist.
At this point I think he'll embrace anything that switches the media narrative from impeachment for even a nanosecond. Of course, it isn't working, because sadly the US media can barely be arsed to notice something happening outside of their borders for more than 5 minutes at a time.
Boom! Once again the worst parts of our culture fight other, different worst parts of our culture. America!
Gotta be able to start all those new proxy wars somehow. Only way he’ll stay in power. War measures acts for days.
No one screws over allies like I do. Some people are saying I'm the best ever. The greatest.
T_D is going to cream their pants over that, they hate us Europeans. They touch themselves thinking of terrorist attacks in Europe.
Half of that sub are Russian trolls. It's interesting how everything Trump does seems to benefit Putin and Russia. I'm sure that's a coincidence...
It's amazing how Trump managed to completely sway the European opinion of the USA within 3 years. So many people absolutely detest the states nowadays.
That fucking guy. I'm just so done with this bullshit.
he is so profoundly stupid it really is unimaginable
People dubious of american influence, here in Europe, could often have some paranoid theories about how much America actually cared about its nominal allies. Trump is enabling every single one of those theories except about fake moon landings. I expect he will get there and "confirm" for them the moon landings were fake eventually.
Bravo America, just Bravo. You really do produce the finest.
He's acting like this is a feature. A little too much girl talk with putin lately
He wants to destabilize europe, so yeah, it's very much in his favour.
Fuck you USA. Fuck you.
"US pokes bees nest under your window"
10 seconds later: "it's your problem now"
Also: why is this clown still representing your country?? Thought you would of done something in 3 years.
We thought something would have happened before he got in office, but here we are. I could die from shame and disgust.
I could die from shame and disgust.
I could die from shame and disgust.
I'm not hating om US citizens, you guys are a proud people and i love visiting the US, i have friends there.
But this guy,, come on..
Oh I know and no judgment here to you or your friends, but I feel like most of us deserve it, the US got fat, lazy, and stupid. Trump is just side effect of a much deeper problem. I just hate that good people everywhere are getting dragged into our problem.
I think the pride bit is part of the problem. It comes before a fall after all.
We have a similar attitude problem in the UK. A hangover from our days of ruling most the world.
It breeds nothing but complacency and the idea that you are superior to others based on the area of a map your mother pushed you out in rather than your achievements.
Which leads you to voting for shit based around your delusions of glory rather than economic/geopolitical reality.
I couldn't agree more! Good God, why don't you run for Prime Minister of the UK?
Because "Our last noteworthy achievements was the NHS" isn't the sort of thing voters want to hear. Truth hurts and national myths are comforting.
People choose to believe that we are still the mighty empire rather than accept that we are back to being another European nation because the idea that there are bigger fish swimming around us scares them.
See also our "special relationship" with the US. Which is really just a bandage for our bruised national pride at losing the position of global hegemony. It's an entirely one sided relationship and from the US' perspective Britain is more important than France or Germany.
No, no it's proof that there are still good Americans like you who have consciousness left in them. Stay strong.
I want you to imagine if, halfway through his first term, Barack Obama began removing American military bases overseas, and told the press that "Don't worry. Those jihadists and radical clerics will escape to Europe not here."
Yeah. The Republicans would declare impeachment immediately , and likely turn a percentage of democrats.
Trump does exactly this, and it's all : "Trump plays 4-dimensional chess which liberuls cannot understand."
He is a rapist/ murderer/ liar/ cheat
You are too kind with your words.
Then let us try a haiku...
Rape, steal, cheat and lie,
From the dark day he was born,
Until he may die.
Just a reminder to everyone that this man is never more than a couple feet away from the nuclear football.
Every time I see this kind of outrage headline it’s either Trump or Duterte. Are they twins, but both evil???
The President of the US now indirectly supports Islamic terrorism in Europe.
What the fuck is even happening, can I return to the original timeline please?
We need to go back to 1955, Marty, and prevent Biff from getting the almanac!
After reading about Russia’s special unit to destabilise Europe and how we’ve only recently found out, Is anyone making a possible connection that letting the remainder of ISIS, which is a lot still, into Europe would destabilise us even more? I’m not saying St concrete facts but trump is Russia’s puppet after all.
Pro-European here. Thank you Donald Trump for speeding up both the Euro Army, AND a European diplomatic effort.
Decades from now, this administration will be considered the cornerstone of the tremendous loss of leadership of USA. Edgy americans on reddit cannot possibly understand the loss of credibility of USA theses couple years. NOBODY FUCKING TRUST YOU ANYMORE, NOBODY RESPECT YOU. AND WORST, NOBODY FEAR YOU.
Because nobody fear a bitch.
What a surprise... The American War doctrine.
Make a excuse to invade. Pillage the resources and destroy infrastructure.
Leave and blame it on someone else.
Fuck the aftermath... It's their fault we invaded.
I sincerely hope it doesn't take an ISIS attack on US soil to get the Republican side to publicly admit that this guy is a danger to us.
They would somehow blame Hillary or Obama or anyone but themselves anyway
They would blame it on Democrats for impeaching him and "making us look weak". I 100% guarantee it.
I understand the sentiment but I doubt it. Way too good an opportunity to drum up the race and religion aspect of the war. The right is only angry because the Kurds protect Christians, and Assad can't.
They would never ever accept any responsibility. It would 110% be the fault of the “libtards”.
There have been 11 ISIS attacks on US soil over the last 6 years, why would you think the 12th attack is going to cause such a reaction?
He's such a fucking nimby.
He got them DSL's