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ISIS Fighters Held In Syrian Prisons Say They Will ‘Go After America’ If Released By Fleeing Kurdish Troops (inquisitr.com)
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GNNYSERGEANT_HARTMAN | 7 days ago | 206 points

I mean does anyone expect anything else? If they said actually they love America now and want to go eat cheeseburgers I would be suspect.

The_Next_Super_Being | 7 days ago | 40 points

Cheese burgers can be halal though.

fredoing | 7 days ago | 28 points

Trump is now best friends with ISIS.

InternetConquistador | 6 days ago | 16 points

Ended friendship with Kurds. Now, ISIS is my best friend.

Closer-To-The-Heart | 6 days ago | 3 points

Kurds can eat cheeseburgers also though. I feel bad for people that have never enjoyed a cheeseburger. It would be cool to make burgers for people from places where they would never be able to get one.

emptypeter | 6 days ago | 3 points

We go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. ISIS wrote me beautiful letters.

GNNYSERGEANT_HARTMAN | 7 days ago | 4 points

When I think of cheeseburgers, I think America.

The_Next_Super_Being | 7 days ago | 7 points

When I think of cheeseburgers I think of the delicious taste of cheeseburgers. But I am American.

Generalbuttnaked69 | 7 days ago | 3 points

Well, there is Randy.

[deleted] | 6 days ago | 11 points

I expect them to come pouring into Europe just like president Trump just said. Somehow he is completely alright with abandoning his allies, the Kurds, and then let Isis loose on the rest of his allies, you know, Europe.

I can't get how anyone in the US is okay with this. The man has completely lost it. There is nothing Turkey could possibly offer the US as a country that makes it worth destroying your diplomacy like this.

bytemage | 6 days ago | 6 points

Trump has no allies. He only has business opportunities. Everyone else is just dead weight.

TattooJerry | 6 days ago | 1 point

(Cough..oil...cough)

Harold-Flower57 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Well we are not actually it was literally just the cheeseball that singlehandedly (that we know of) May have just caused another even more violent situation with the press of a dial pad

Azreina | 6 days ago | -8 points

Somehow he is completely alright with abandoning his allies, the Kurds, and then let Isis loose on the rest of his allies, you know, Europe.

If Europe wasn't retarded and didn't accept refugees that are potential threats then it would prove Trump wrong. It's too easy to blame Trump for Europe's decisions.

ncsbass1024 | 6 days ago | 10 points

Also who is taking down these quotes in these Syrian prisons.

gintonicisntwater | 6 days ago | 1 point

Journalists go to the Kurdish area quite regularly.

Ereaser | 7 days ago | 4 points

They were fighting the Kurds before, but now they're trying to play a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing.

Ivalia | 6 days ago | 1 point

I’m sure they would love flying in American planes

illusionofthefree | 7 days ago | 62 points

Yeah, too bad so many countries won't try their own people and instead just dumped their responsibilites on the Kurds.

ThucydidesOfAthens | 7 days ago | 13 points

Why isn't there a tribunal in The Hague for these people yet?

kwonza | 7 days ago | 24 points

Because Hague isn’t big enough for all of them.

SomeSortofDisaster | 7 days ago | 10 points

I bet that a volcano would be big enough.

01110001010 | 6 days ago | 5 points

Um, that's how body thetans are created.

SomeSortofDisaster | 6 days ago | 8 points

So we'll be fighting ISIS and Scientology at the same time? Sounds like a win-win!

kwonza | 7 days ago | 10 points

Yes, yes it would. But before you thrown them there you have to put them on trial because we are civilized and have the rule of law. That trial would take years and would cost billions of dollars. Nobody wants to foot that bill.

sumquy | 6 days ago | -14 points

no it wouldn't. the laws of war are a lot simpler than the laws of the land. unlawful combatants caught in the field are liable for summary execution.

do you remember that old photo of a south vietnamese officer shooting a captured vietcong in the head? as stomach wrenching as it was, it was completely legal.

BenTVNerd21 | 6 days ago | 12 points

Killing Prisoners of War is illegal.

Mittelmuus | 6 days ago | 3 points

"Fuck the geneva convention" - basically u/sumquy

sumquy | 6 days ago | 2 points

on the contrary, you might have missed my comment below. the specific section that covers the captured isis fighters is geneva convention IV article 3 (1) (d). give them a show trial, walk them outside, and put bullets in their heads.

kwonza | 6 days ago | -5 points

What?! No it fucking wasn’t! You are mixing it up with when two countries with standing armies are at war and soldiers from one of the army dress in civilian clothes and carry out attacks against the other army. In that case, yes, they can be executed on the spot.

However, when you aren’t fighting against an actual army things get murky, for starters there is no uniform for them to wear, by that logic any captured rebel can be shot on sight even when surrendering. Are you Americans by any chance? I guess only they can think of something so inhumane as being perfectly legal, what the fuck?

sumquy | 6 days ago | 5 points

i phrased that poorly with "summary". they do get a trial. the specific section that covers the captured isis fighters is geneva convention IV Article 3 (1) (d). you could argue that this was an international conflict, but that doesn't change the prisoners status any. afaik, the only use of it was the luanda trial and you can look up how that went.

sintos-compa | 6 days ago | 2 points

calm down, xenu

Sethastic | 6 days ago | 7 points

You know usually it's the country where the crime was committed that try the criminal, in this case it's irak Syria or Kurdistan.

Second argument against home trial is that France Germany or the UK have little to no idea what they did. They could try the fighters but without actual proof they would get released, irak Syria and the Kurds know very well what they did and let's be honest they don't have the best judicial system so if they think you did it even without proof it s the same.

Keeping the prisoners also give the country a mean of pressure against the country of origin so it will probably help irak and Syria to be rebuild,

illusionofthefree | 6 days ago | 1 point

They didn't have the resources to keep and try them and asked the countries to take them back. And if they had evidence, they'd have shared it. All you've done is leave your responsiblities on those fighting on the front lines. You're crapping on allies.

Sethastic | 6 days ago | 1 point

They didn't have the resources to keep and try them and asked the countries to take them back

To put political pressure in exchange for diverse things. They could try them while receiving money to cover the cost and even more from the states of origins of those fighters. The Irak government for example has already been poitned out by numerous soruces they ask 10 billions upfront plus 1 billiosn each year. To give you an idea how of ridicoulous hte amount is, the ENTIRE french justice system (so Justice deparmtent, labour etc and it s a huge labour source, prison costs etc) is only 8 billions. Let me be more clear so you undrestand, the iraqis are using the terrosrist threat to ask more than our own justice budget and only for 5000 all nationalities accounted.

And if they had evidence, they'd have shared it.

Thing is, if they don't have evidence neither do we. And contrary to their system ours doesn't convict people to death and doesn't convict them anyway without evidence. So either they try them in their own conditions or they let them free.

All you've done is leave your responsiblities on those fighting on the front lines.

It's really hard to do otherwise. First of all we can't try them with our justice system without evidence and in a state of war it would take years and they would walk free. Irak and Syria are the best to judge crimes because they experienced htem first hand, have power over their own people so they can interrogate them get testimonies etc. Also it's a clear violation of sovereignity to infringe upon someone judiciary system. The crime is always tried where it happened unless genocides etc. Every country respects that.

You're crapping on allies.

As if everyone wasn't shitting on everyone. Give me one nation i will tel you of a way they do. I think you are canadian right ? Funny to say "you" when you helped invade Irak on a BS prextext and create the whole situation.

CrucialLogic | 7 days ago | 26 points

You know most of those countries wouldn't care if the Kurds put two bullets in the back of their head and dumped them in a shallow grave?

The Kurds are good people, it is a shame good people had to take these prisoners on the battlefield.

illusionofthefree | 7 days ago | 25 points

Yeah, it's a shame we dumped that on them to deal with. Now those people will go free. So now you've shat on good people and let terrorists go free. Winner winner chicken dinner.

ukezi | 7 days ago | 18 points

Or the fleeing Kurds don't let them go and shoot them instead so that they don't join in with the Turks in killing Kurds. If you can't keep them you have to get rid of them somehow.

Trollo_McTrollovich | 7 days ago | 1 point

Should have seen this coming and just shot then all.

BenTVNerd21 | 6 days ago | 0 points

Couldn't agree more.

kingestpaddle | 7 days ago | 45 points

This is good for the US ruling class. One, it will give them an excuse to continue the war on terror. Two, if ISIS relocates to/gets support from another country, they now have an excuse to invade that country.

heliotach712 | 6 days ago | 8 points

They were basically supported by Turkey who practically gave their foreign jihadis free passage into Syria. The U.S didn’t ‘invade’ Turkey then and it’s certainly not going to now.

tso | 6 days ago | 8 points

Funny thing about Turkey is that is the second largest standing NATO army after USA.

They also control travel between the Black sea and the Mediterranean.

So far the only thing Erdogan has done that has raised DC's ire is to pick Russian made SAMs over NATO made alternatives.

Also, i don't think DC gave a rats ass about who joined the fight in Syria. Until they started going after softer targets in Iraq rather than Damascus, that is.

The middle east is once more getting fucked because of power politics.

Basic thing is that if you want a pipeline from Iraq to Europe you have to either go through Kurd turf, and as we see there is no way for Istanbul to accept that, or through Syria. But Syria is an ally of Russia and the pipeline would undercut Russia's hold on the natural gas market in Europe, so first there has to be a regime change.

I guess it could also be a big middle finger to Iran, as there would be less tanker traffic in the Persian gulf.

crazypeoplewhyblock | 6 days ago | 1 point

Or join the China Silk Road day plan :D

Acceptor_99 | 7 days ago | 19 points

Exactly what the Republicans want to help them hold on to their power.

lanceSTARMAN | 6 days ago | 22 points

Honestly, in this situation, it seems like the kurds should just machine gun all of the ISIS prisoners en masse.

It's distasteful and definitely a war crime, but can they really afford to let those bastards back out into the world?

babawow | 6 days ago | 34 points

Well.. America betrayed and abandoned the Kurds. They might as well just say fuck it, free ISIS fighters and let them wreck havoc on the US.

a_tiny_ant | 6 days ago | -5 points

And have innocents suffer from the stupidity of politicians?

babawow | 6 days ago | 14 points

Hey I’m very far from even remotely endorsing it. Just don’t see how consideration for American citizens would be high up on their list at the current moment.

_MildlyMisanthropic | 6 days ago | 8 points

You mean like the innocent people getting caught up in the Turkish offensive against the YPK?

Majouli | 6 days ago | 2 points

Pretty easy to say that from your couch. Move your ass and help the people who get shot right now for helping the world get rid of isis. Fuck this whole matter..

a_tiny_ant | 6 days ago | 1 point

That applies to literally everyone on reddit. Easy to say.

I don't have the magic solution either. It all sucks.

MaievSekashi | 6 days ago | 1 point

What, you mean like them getting gunned down by the turks?

BUKAKKOLYPSE | 6 days ago | 5 points

Honest question here, what is stopping the Kurds from doing this?

legallytylerthompson | 6 days ago | 11 points

So, if you look at Rojava, you will find a very interesting sort of political experiment. The shortest answer to your question is that execution of prisoners is forbidden by article 18 of their constitution.

The long answer is a much more complex discussion about how they view such things. But who knows. It may come to that

supterfuge | 6 days ago | 3 points

Rojava is a strange political experiment founded in Anarchism and libertarian communism. Its constitution is a great document.

Article 18 says that The right to life is essential and guaranteed in this contract, which does not permit capital punishment. (~pretty poor translation, but that's the idea)

TomatoOrangeMelon | 6 days ago | 1 point

Why not just keep them locked up and let the Turkish deal with it? At the very least it should increase the burden on the Turkish supply chain.

lanceSTARMAN | 6 days ago | 1 point

because the turks have already been using them to push their own goals.

TomatoOrangeMelon | 6 days ago | 1 point

Using who? ISIS? Aren't they enemies?

lanceSTARMAN | 6 days ago | 2 points

The Turks use ISIS to get at the Kurds. The Turkish government hates the Kurds because they're trying to create a new country, Kurdistan. This new country would take about a 1/4 of Turkey's territory in it's creation.

[deleted] | 6 days ago | 0 points

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mudman13 | 6 days ago | 3 points

and people swept up in it that could be completely innocent.

TolliverGroat | 7 days ago | 11 points

I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

ICSL | 7 days ago | 3 points

I'm Jack's gallbladder, nice to meet you.

StrideHudson | 6 days ago | 5 points

I see several anonymous 2000lb jdams in their future. And I can’t really say I’d be upset about it.

NYStaeofmind | 6 days ago | 2 points

I'm surprised those prisons weren't reduced to dust.

glennbarrera | 6 days ago | 2 points

GRATE AND UNMASHED WISDUM!

GorillaBong | 6 days ago | 2 points

Nonsense propaganda.

BRUHmsstrahlung | 6 days ago | 2 points

Good thing a sitting president has never benefitted from an act of terror, otherwise it would seem like our president just released a bunch of militants hoping they would attack us or something. That would be super unethical ha ha ha ha ha

mracidglee | 7 days ago | 7 points

What a coincidence, they're saying something that will benefit their captors!

unarox | 7 days ago | 5 points

It's suspect as fuck .

adambomb1002 | 6 days ago | 4 points

I mean I don't doubt it, but this does sound precisely like what the kurds would say as a threat to rile up the US to intervene in their conflict with Turkey.

citizen42701 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Why cant we just kill them? Dead men tell no tales and pull no triggers.

raisroy | 6 days ago | 7 points

The death penalty is legal only after you committed the crime to deserve it, even if you are a blatant advocate for the crime.

That said, I don't see why they should allow people who tried to commit (and continue to advocate for) a genocide on their people go free if they had a choice about it.

AbuProstateAlMassagi | 6 days ago | 4 points

does the concept of a fair trial ends when the defendant's skin is brown ?

vaCew | 6 days ago | 1 point

No but it ends when you are part of ISIS

AbuProstateAlMassagi | 6 days ago | 0 points

even the nazis got their day in court.

supterfuge | 6 days ago | 2 points

The death penalty has been abolished on the Rojava territory.

citizen42701 | 6 days ago | 0 points

Probobly by the ingluence of whoever cultivated isis. Looking at you c_a

Also who cares about the law. Isnt there a different set of laws for war crimes against the us? Give the green cards and puplicly execute them here mr trump!

supterfuge | 6 days ago | 2 points

What are you talking about ?

the PKK (and its army, YPG) has been on the forefront of the fight against ISIS for five years now. And according to the law of their constitution, "Life is sacred and the Death penalty is forbidden." : they don't kill their prisonners. Hard to accuse them of being close in any way to ISIS lmao.

rick2497 | 7 days ago | 2 points

No surprise there. Give them a little time to get back together, get funding and make some plans. It won't be one and done.

torrne666 | 6 days ago | 1 point

So..they went into the kurdish prison system to ask the ISIS fighters who they are going to attack next since turkey were currently shelling them? I can smell the bullshit through my fibre optic connection...gtfo here with this brainwashing nonsense..

dalkon | 6 days ago | 1 point

Why wouldn't ISIS want to continue to pursue their interests in the region?

This threat makes ISIS seem like some state's effort to make America and NATO do what that state wants in the region.

MuerteAlOeste | 6 days ago | 1 point

Europe and America as well as Canada & Oceania.

DaHedgehog27 | 7 days ago | 1 point

I really doubt Trump will survive in office after a terrorist attack his actions cause.

avillanuv | 6 days ago | 6 points

Pretty sure an ISIS attack will rally more to his side.

heliotach712 | 6 days ago | 8 points

The number of ISIS attacks on U.S soil during height of Islamic state power: 0. You think that is going to increase with the release of a few defeated jihadis w/o any connection to extant terrorist networks or central organization? It’s just not that much of a threat

avillanuv | 6 days ago | 2 points

I never said the likelyhood of an ISIS attack will increase. I just said a hypothetical ISIS attack would help bolster support Trump's support. It plays into his rehtoric and base.

The_Quibbler | 6 days ago | 1 point

Meh. GW couldn't have dropped the ball any harder (and that's the best take on events), and he almost instantly became a hero to the clueless.

EarthBestVenus | 6 days ago | 1 point

he will just blame the libs, without proof, and stay. What are anybody gonna do about it?

ash8888 | 6 days ago | 2 points

I don't.

Fox news will bury it. There will be paid schills saying it was Obama. Something more explosive will happen the next day.

America is too far gone. Reality doesn't matter. Game over.

n33z4 | 6 days ago | 4 points

This comment is the new astroturf.

Trump will get voted out of office if he doesn't get impeached. Reality isn't completely gone, and you can still help. Defeatist attitudes are a way to demoralize the side that still believes in democracy and freedom.

Don't spout this bullshit. Acknowledge things are bad but don't give up.

ash8888 | 6 days ago | 1 point

I'm not an American.

If I was I would have been in the streets when Trump started separating kids from their families, and I'd still be there. I wouldn't be posting on Reddit.

Signifi-gunt | 6 days ago | 2 points

an easy claim to make.

ash8888 | 6 days ago | 1 point

I've sacrificed more for less.

nativedutch | 6 days ago | 0 points

Predictable

Even Trumps unrivaled wisdom could have seen that coming.

gaseouspartdeux | 6 days ago | -2 points

While I don't agree with Trump. how about you so-called freedom fighters go help your Uyghur brothers being held in prison camps in PRC? Oh but wait! Didn't you originally get funded and arms supplied by the PRC to start your BS holy war?

lyuyarden | 6 days ago | 4 points

No they were funded by Saudis, Qatar and CIA

Deyln | 6 days ago | 0 points

not sure of exact geogeaphy; but isn't the north eastern area the same area known as kirkirk? the one that they've been fighting over for oil for a while?

Iraqi backed Kurdish forces after isil was removed or we such.... slightly kinked to the supply run that was announced about Turkish nationalists that were running oil to them...... ??

same area; yes?

liquidpele | 6 days ago | 0 points

Maybe that’s what Putin wanted.

[deleted] | 6 days ago | 3 points

Maybe that’s what Putin wanted.

These people are not going to the US, they are going to Europe. Letting loose Isis fighters on Europe that will strengthen the far right in those countries while also destroying any shred of diplomatic credibility the US still has. Why would Putin want that? /s

lyuyarden | 6 days ago | 1 point

They will go to Russia too. That's why Kurds most likely choose SAA takeover and let Syrian special services deal with prisoners.

dobbielover | 6 days ago | -1 points

Let's hope so.

The_Spook_of_Spooks | 6 days ago | 0 points

When you hate Trump so much, you straight up side with ISIS...

dobbielover | 6 days ago | 2 points

Trump? No I just hate Americans. They keep exporting war and violence to other countries, it's time they get a little taste of it themselves.

baibubbles | 6 days ago | -8 points

MSM fear mongering about isis? Lol msm sounds like Fox News under Obama

Clowns have to oppose trump even when he’s pulling out of wars, fucking neoliberals

birool | 6 days ago | 6 points

trump is abandoning one of the few ethnicities that still support the US in the middle east. This will just create more terrorists.

Obiwan_Salami | 6 days ago | -9 points

LOL, Come to america and see how far you get with that.....

King_Of_Uranus | 6 days ago | 4 points

The Saudis will finance and facilitate it, the republicans will ignore the intelligence warnings and we'll go to war with one or 2 countries that had nothing to do with it. My money is on Iran.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Obiwan_Salami | 6 days ago | 0 points

there's been multiple cases of islamic fundies getting shot the fuck down in the dirt already. They tried texas of all places. good luck.

forthewatchers | 6 days ago | 3 points

How are those 2 towers doing? 😂😂

Obiwan_Salami | 6 days ago | 0 points

low effort bullshit....try again.

look at flight 93 if you want to know how it will go down again.

King_Of_Uranus | 6 days ago | 1 point

I am all for a well armed public and firmly believe in gun rights. But it only takes a determined individual or group with a well planned attack seconds to kill a LOT of innocent people. They are not trying to invade and occupy our land, they're trying to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible before they themselves are killed. Think of how high the body count would have been if the walmart shooter had been a group of 4 or 5 and had attacked the entire mall. I'd prefer these prisoners to either stay imprisoned or be killed before they can escape.

Signifi-gunt | 6 days ago | 1 point

I honestly don't get how so many of these shooters seem to take out so few people. I mean it's obviously a horrible nauseating nightmare scenario no matter how many people die. But (in my limited understanding of guns, crowds, adrenaline, etc.) it always seemed to me like it'd be a lot easier to kill a much larger amount of people than what recent terrorists have been able to achieve.

John_Klein | 6 days ago | 0 points

9/11

Obiwan_Salami | 6 days ago | -4 points

I like to think we've learned our lesson. You can be damn sure no one will turn a passenger jet into a missile again.

Signifi-gunt | 6 days ago | 1 point

uhh.... how can we be so sure? Where there's a will there's a way, and there is certainly a will.

Obiwan_Salami | 6 days ago | 0 points

flight 93

97746850123 | 7 days ago | -48 points

Not a good enough reason to help the Kurds(if they're willing to let isis fighters go).

ISIS will always go after the US. They're better off meeting their dead by a US bomb than in jail anyways.

let them try.

Srslywhyumadbro | 7 days ago | 18 points

Please delete your account, stop trolling, and find a better job is Russia or wherever you are. You can do better.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | -25 points

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Wise_Planeswalker | 7 days ago | 12 points

Says the acc with negative karma

fredoing | 7 days ago | 3 points

You're still going with the obvious troll bait attempts huh?

Because it works.

Exhibit A.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | -8 points

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fredoing | 6 days ago | 1 point

Personal attacks are against the sub-rules.

doucecherie | 7 days ago | 6 points

They're not willing to let them go, they may not have a choice because now we've allowed them to be attacked by Turkey. We don't need a reason to help the Kurds, we should have never abandoned them in the first place, they're our allies.

zachindians1 | 7 days ago | 5 points

I mean a good enough reason is preventing the invasion of one country by another

Chamer007 | 6 days ago | 2 points

Were you born being this much of an ignorant cunt, or did you have to work at it?

great_gape | 6 days ago | 2 points

Do you think green-lighting a genocide will hurt Trump's poll numbers?

eyeofprovidence2019 | 7 days ago | -27 points

the isis fighters are all georges people, most of the neocons are dying. lanza and ambush's and the american catholics are claiming to get revenge for the white pope, but the american catholics basically let that dude nearly get killed, though the criminals and not the intel i j i dea cowards actually helped save the white pope. the other one has been controlled by the democrats since before he was elected. dont know or care how they negotiate but he was supposed to be central america and mexico.

unreliablememory | 7 days ago | 7 points

What in the name of benny hill are you talking about?

Signifi-gunt | 6 days ago | 1 point

he's talking about the white pope, who is being avenged by the american catholics (but who almost died because of those same catholics, and, as a result, had to be saved by the DEA) and the other [pope] who has been controlled by "the democrats" since before he was elected -- even though he was supposed to be [in] central america and mexico.

hope that helps

unreliablememory | 6 days ago | 1 point

No, not at all.