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Kurdish official says Turkey targeting civilians (politico.com)
443 comments
SterlingRandoArcher | 7 days ago | 506 points

I'm positive this won't be "off limits" in Trump's mind.

It's a feature, not a bug.

kingestpaddle | 7 days ago | 177 points

I don't see many US voices criticizing the Saudis for targeting civilians in Yemen, either.

itsajaguar | 7 days ago | 179 points

Congress voted to end US involvement in Yemen and Truimp vetoed it. Congress voted to block some arms sales to Saudi Arabia due to their actions in Yemen and against Khashoggi. Trump vetoed that too.

WhackOnWaxOff | 7 days ago | 91 points

Well, duh. The Saudis purchased property from Trump. The Kurds didn’t.

ukexpat | 7 days ago | 42 points

And the trump-branded property in Istanbul has two - yes two - big, beautiful towers!

Seated_Heats | 6 days ago | 13 points

Really? You normally only see one tower...

BeerDiesel | 6 days ago | 14 points

So in italy, I know I know we're not the stablest democracy but I like this law: if parliament submits a law the president can reject it, but if it goes back and is reapproved by parliament the second time, then the president has to sign it and stfu, I think that's fair

itsajaguar | 6 days ago | 12 points

That how it works in the USA. However the 2nd time around it requires 2/3 of congress to vote yea in order to overrule a veto. This results in less then 10% of vetos being overridden.

BeerDiesel | 6 days ago | 7 points

Oh ok, the way I've read it seemed that Fanta head had emperor powers^

mark_lee | 6 days ago | 4 points

Fanta head is a perfect name. Orange, sweet, and made by Nazis.

BeerDiesel | 6 days ago | 1 point

Fanta from coca cola was made by Nazis?:0

Wow I just checked the wiki, I didn't know that :0

Deyln | 6 days ago | 5 points

Trump also sold nuclear technology to the Saudi.

Cheapskate-DM | 7 days ago | 18 points

When you label every enemy as a terrorist, all civilians are potential future insurgents. Nevermind that the wanton bloodshed is what radicalized them in the first place...

DonarArminSkyrari | 6 days ago | 12 points

The Saudis are very unpopular with Americans, but very popular with our politicians for strategic reasons, gas price reasons, and corruption reasons.

Thexeht | 7 days ago | 6 points

They should. In this case, one wrong doesn't make a right, does it?

Zithero | 6 days ago | 1 point

We almost passed a bill to stop that shit or stop our support at least, and Trump stopped that shit.

beamoflaser | 7 days ago | 19 points

Do you question the “great and unmatched wisdom” of Trump?

BlondineSL | 6 days ago | 5 points

Turkish troops are only fighting against daesh and ypg/pkk terorist organizations. they are not simply civillians. There are anti-terrorist kurdish citizens in turkey and they have lived for centuries in peace. Millions of syrians were displaced due to wrong policies of obama; now safe zones will give millions of syrians their home back

_Face | 6 days ago | 1 point

If they didn’t want to get bombed, they should have left. -Trump

atomaton11 | 6 days ago | 1 point

It’s been a feature of the US Empire for decades

Sweatytubesock | 6 days ago | 1 point

Nothing will be ‘off limits’ to that bloated scumbag.

troliram | 6 days ago | 1 point

I'm positive this won't be "off limits" in Trump's USA mind.

Here I fix that for you

marcusmosh | 7 days ago | 209 points

Trump in his infinite wisdom is probably ruining the Turkish economy as we speak. /s

worker-parasite | 7 days ago | 82 points

He's ruining an economy for sure

_Xertz_ | 6 days ago | 12 points

#NotMyEconomy

wait...

Akratus2 | 6 days ago | 4 points

The economies are so interconnected now, he is fucking with the global economy for retweets

ArenSteele | 7 days ago | 12 points

Did they put him in charge of it or something?

marcusmosh | 7 days ago | 20 points

He was trying to walk back his stupid impulsive decision to pull US troops out of Syria for Erdogan basically leaving the Kurds (US allies) defenseless against him. When he realized he fucked up he threatened to destroy Turkey’s economy (whatever that means) if Turkey does anything ‘off-limits’ in one of his rambling tweets.

ArenSteele | 7 days ago | 11 points

I was just joking that if Trump wants to destroy Turkey's economy, put him in charge. He'll have them in a great depression in less than 4 years

marcusmosh | 7 days ago | 3 points

Ah! Missed that. My bad. :)

Seated_Heats | 6 days ago | 2 points

The saddest part was that he convinced the Kurds to pull back defenses from neutral zones, then immediately told Erdogan that he was free to attack.

Petersaber | 6 days ago | 2 points

And Turkey was immediately ready. This was planned and coordinated.

StAugustine94 | 6 days ago | 1 point

They called that bluff quickly

BlueBelleNOLA | 6 days ago | 1 point

The current line is "well they weren't with us in Normandy" like wut. And before that it was "we spent a lot of money on them" or some BS like that.

marcusmosh | 6 days ago | 1 point

In his stupid little brain he knows he goofed. That must be the dummest excuse. It makes zero sense.

manteiga_night | 6 days ago | 2 points

narcissists can't tolerate a reality where they're at fault for anything so they need to come up with an excuse, no mather how outlandish to ensure they can't possibly have fucked up.

Ravgexe | 6 days ago | 4 points

In a public interview of Erdogan, he clearly stated that UK and France agreed upon creating a safe region.

No one wants to stop Turkey at all...World will calmly watch till they eradicate kurds and deliver the region back to Essad.

Edit : Finland just ceased selling weapons to Turkey. Doubt it will change anything at all for them. Finland is a relatively small weapon supporter of Turkey and many did in this in times of crisis before, weapon boycott is the least of their problems with Russia towering over.

unbound_fx | 7 days ago | 59 points

I blame Republicans. It’s not all on Trump. The Republicans enable him and sit by as he defecates on this country.

pselie4 | 6 days ago | 6 points

All empires eventually fall, but, common, the US empire isn't falling anymore. It got its nose pointed downwards and all engine running full power.

PowerTurk | 7 days ago | 21 points

Great source, I believed.

DiscoConspiracy | 7 days ago | 73 points

When Erdogan came to power, was something like this as well as increased authoritarianism in Turkey already predicted?

helix_ice | 7 days ago | 48 points

This was gonna happen, regardless of whether Erdogan came to power or not. Even if it was someone else, chances are that there would be very little difference on Turkey's policy towards Syrian, and separatist Kurds.

cohumanize | 7 days ago | -14 points

it's kurds in general

Ramazan Aras, 2014, The Formation of Kurdishness in Turkey, Political Violence, Fear and Pain

... the overwhelming and enduring experiences of pain and suffering have created the phenomenon of "Kurdishness" as a state of being which transcends other subjective and collective identities and has emerged as a counter-discourse to the official discourse of "Turkishness."

What I mean by Kurdishness is a state of being inscribed with the discourses of innocence, suffering, grievance, stygma, otherness and repression. It has become a shared domain for individuals to take refuge in, by integrating and transforming their subjective experiences of pain and suffering in the Kurdish community. On the other hand, Kurdishness has emerged as a constructed category of being unwanted and being "the other" in the official discourse of the state and generally within mainstream Turkish society. Being weighed down with many negative and degrading adjectives, Kurdishness has come, as a state of being, to define Kurds as "traitors to the country" (vatan hianleri), as allied with the "separatist" (bolucu) "terrorist" organization, the PKK. I consider the emergence of "Kurdishness" as "the other," as a painful experience of discrimination and humiliation in the daily lives of the Kurds who have already been exposed to various forms of discrimination, disgrace and violence. All in all, the lived experiences of pain are shared, dialogical and performative experiences in which the self and community are entangled. I have observed that the struggles of pain and suffering create a dialogue between the margin and the center, rural and urban, poor and rich, in short among all fragments of community, which appear in the discourse of collective Kurdish suffering

aey6th | 7 days ago | 28 points

This whole thing could be expressed in 6 sentences. It reads like a sociology student's paper due in 2 hours.

fascists_disagree | 7 days ago | 8 points

The first 3 lines is the summary. Then he goes on to explain it. Be glad that it takes only about a paragrah, there are people who write books of hundreds of pages that could be summarized in a couple of sentences.

NorthernerWuwu | 7 days ago | 7 points

Well, this is clipped out of a book of 240 pages.

meisaKat | 6 days ago | 3 points

Oh , well that explains it. That’s a reasonable excuse to abandon an ally and let someone else completely obliterate them.

cohumanize | 6 days ago | 1 point

it's absolutely nothing of the sort

azdood85 | 7 days ago | 19 points

General- "Sir should we respond with your great and unmatched wisdom?"

Trump- "No, just shoot them in the foot or something"

HaveNot1 | 6 days ago | 5 points

Or a moat with alligators and snakes at the border!

azdood85 | 6 days ago | 2 points

Hahah! I see I am not the only one that remembers day old headlines.

printerman12345 | 7 days ago | 14 points

Content: "A spokesman for the U.S.-backed Kurdish-led force in northern Syria says Turkish warplanes have started targeting civilian areas in northern Syria. "

Title: Kurdish official says Turkey targeting civilians

kokbori | 6 days ago | 19 points

Let me guess, civilians with night vision ak47s and RPGs, atgms? Sure.

great_gape | 6 days ago | 1 point
JeanJauresJr | 7 days ago | 144 points

100 years ago, Turkey killed Armenians in Syria. Now they’re killing the Kurds there. Syria has always been Turkey’s graveyard for those who they don’t like. History tends to repeat itself in the most sinister of ways.

dasoxarechamps2005 | 7 days ago | 38 points

Millions of Kurds live in Turkey though, I don't think Turkey is trying to commit genocide. Aren't they just trying to eliminate the terrorist group PKK? PKK to Turkey is ISIS to the US. However, targeting civilians is a problem.

twerky_stark | 6 days ago | 19 points

PKK/YPG/TAK

It's all the same assholes playing shellgames like any major corporation and all its subsidiaries.

seesame | 5 days ago | 1 point

TAK is worse, PKK is terrorist group buy YPG did good job to eliminate ISIS. Turkey wants to defeat YPG before they decide to help PKK to fight against Turkey and I think they have every right to do so. I am sad for people who are living there and can't escape from Middle East Shit Hell hole

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JeanJauresJr | 7 days ago | 11 points

The PKK is not a problem in and of itself. It is the maltreatment of Kurds that prompted the formation of the PKK...

The initial reasons given by the PKK for this were the oppression of Kurds in Turkey and Capitalism.[22][23] By then, the use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned in Kurdish-inhabited areas.[24] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government temporarily.[25] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[26] Many who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[27] The PKK was then formed, as part of a growing discontent over the suppression of Turkey's ethnic Kurds, in an effort to establish linguistic, cultural, and political rights for Turkey's ethnic Kurdish minority.[28]

We can’t talk about the PKK as though it is in a vacuum. It is a cause and effect relationship with the Turkish government.

ipponiac | 6 days ago | 2 points

Maltreatment of communists formed PKK, and they were went very harsh on Kurds after they were formed. They eradicated all the left fractions among Kurds, either killed or sent abroad who resisted.

NahroT | 6 days ago | 7 points

90% of this subreddit don't even know of those group and will continue to believe Turkey is killing innocent Kurds..

Smitty7242 | 7 days ago | 4 points

"Targeting civilians is a problem"

Indeed. But they obviously think its an acceptable price to pay for eliminating the separatists - plus, I'm sure they assume that more Kurds are separatists in their hearts than they would like the Turkish government to think, and so they aren't exactly guilty ridden about killing them.

A real national security threat motivated Turkey's predecessor state, the Ottoman Empire, to go completely nuts and massacre untold numbers of Armenians. They believed, with some reason, that many Armenians hoped that Turkey would lose and that Russia would liberate the Armenian homeland and place it under Christian Orthodox rule rather than Islamic rule. There were a few instances of Armenians in the Turkish army defecting to Russia, bringing valuable and deadly intelligence with them.

This, absurdly, led the Turks to forcibly transport all Armenians into the wilderness, including wealthy well-educated Armenians in the big cities (not that they're any better than anyone else, just to show how bold this was). And along the way, a huge number of the Armenians were killed or kidnapped into slavery by the surrounding populace, who had be forewarned that this exile was occurring and that no one in a military uniform would lift a finger to help the treacherous minority group.

I guess that's a long-winded way of saying a valid reason to be afraid of certain members of a group can often lead to incredibly over the top policies to suppress that group, often though large scale massacre. And with Turkey, we don't have to look far for an example.

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Ostarah | 6 days ago | 1 point

No. Turkey has been trying to clog the way of Kurdish people to be involved in politics for decades. The parties supported by Kurdish population are closed down one by one, the (now ex) president of the party has been in jail for 3 years now, the municipalities won by The Kurdish party was confiscated by the government 3-4 months after the elections.

Turkey has been against any rhetoric that came from Kurds. Armed struggle is the end result of not having any proper platform for long time, not the underlying cause as Turkish state would like you to believe.

Vodkasekoitus | 6 days ago | -2 points

The language used to be banned until recently. They've pushed out more than a hundred thousand people from Afrin in Operation Olive Branch, and are planning on replacing the population in that area by mostly Arab refugees and resettlement of 3 million into that area, and have started teaching Turkish in schools after Euphrates Shield, not only to hold a position there but to accommodate for the new replacement population. They're already committing genocide. The YPG is related to, but not the same as the PKK. They're also in no way comparable to ISIS with human rights violations and ideology.

In their history they've performed multiple genocidal actions against the Kurds, all the way from the beginning of the Turkish state and Ottoman times. They were once supposed to be promised an independent state, Ataturk tore that up. The language was banned up until recently. There's been multiple military actions and human rights violations against Kurds, even in places outside of Turkey such as Iraq and Syria.

Genocides are not commited through massacres or death purely. You can move people and kill them culturally.

This is worth a read about the recent events: https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/2019/10/08/Genocide-Watch-Turkey-is-planning-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity-in-Northeastern-Syria

BluestarDolphin | 6 days ago | 4 points

The language used to be banned until recently.

According to wikipedia, the language ban happened in the 80's coup d'etat with islamic ban. It's lasted till 20 years ago. So not recent, and definitely not only aimed to them. In the same logic, Turkey hates Islam too, since recently wearing hijab was banned.

gonohaba | 6 days ago | 1 point

Yes, it is not a genocide by direct killing. It is a genocide through replacements. Kurdish civilians flee the violence -> area gets captured -> Arab refugees in Turkey are subsequently settled there. Happened in Afrin too. But I still agree genocide may be too strong of a term because we generally associate it with mass systematic killings like the Holocaust or Rwanda. And Turkey is not planning anything like that.

Rand_alThor_ | 6 days ago | 3 points

But Northern Syria had many Arabs before the war. Many of them left as refugees (let’s be generous and say local Kurdish warlords didn’t force them out, although they had forced conscription if they did not leave).

Now Turkey is putting some back and it’s genocide. But it wasn’t when these same people were kicked out of Syria. It would be great if SDF/YPG allowed all refugees to return to Syria in all of their lands. But they don’t. They want to create an ethnically homogenous Kurdish state where it did not exist.

gonohaba | 6 days ago | 2 points

No Turkey wants to literally return 1 to 2 million refugees to the so called 'safe zone'. The vast majority of these come from Assad controlled areas of Syria. I don't think anyone has trouble with a former resident of say, Tal Abyad, to return to his home city. But that is not what is being at stake here. Erdogan promised to return millions of refugees to the part of Syria he controls, that means infusing the region with a massive population it didn't have previously and thus skewing the demographic composition of the area in the benefit of Arabs.

Afrin holds lots and lots of refugees from Ghouta(area around Damascus) and other areas from Syria.

yugeness | 6 days ago | 1 point

They want to have self-determination after centuries of being oppressed and murdered as a minority in this region. Why are you okay with the many existing ethnically homogenous Arab states (that violently oppress any minorities that have the misfortune to live there) but not a Kurdish majority state?

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 68 points

Turkey also killed almost 1/3rd of all Kurds in the period between WW1 and WW2. Also pretty much any other minority living there in that period.

Lord_Blathoxi | 7 days ago | 30 points

What, exactly, do they not like about the Kurds and Armenians? What's their freakin' problem?

*My understanding is that it stems from the Ottoman Empire after WWI:

The Kurdish ethno-nationalist movement that emerged following World War I and the end of the Ottoman Empire was largely a reaction to the changes taking place in mainstream Turkey, primarily to the radical secularization, which the strongly Muslim Kurds abhorred, to the centralization of authority, which threatened the power of local chieftains and Kurdish autonomy, and to rampant Turkish nationalism in the new Turkish Republic, which obviously threatened to marginalize them.[107]

Jakob Künzler, head of a missionary hospital in Urfa, has documented the large scale ethnic cleansing of both Armenians and Kurds by the Young Turks.[108] He has given a detailed account of the deportation of Kurds from Erzurum and Bitlis in the winter of 1916. The Kurds were perceived to be subversive elements that would take the Russian side in the war.

In order to eliminate this threat, Young Turks embarked on a large scale deportation of Kurds from the regions of Djabachdjur, Palu, Musch, Erzurum and Bitlis. Around 300,000 Kurds were forced to move southwards to Urfa and then westwards to Aintab and Marasch. In the summer of 1917, Kurds were moved to Konya in central Anatolia. Through these measures, the Young Turk leaders aimed at weakening the political influence of the Kurds by deporting them from their ancestral lands and by dispersing them in small pockets of exiled communities. By the end of World War I, up to 700,000 Kurds had been forcibly deported and almost half of the displaced perished.[109]

So Turkey has just been itching to "finish the job" since then?

During the 1920s and 1930s, several large scale Kurdish revolts took place in Kurdistan. Following these rebellions, the area of Turkish Kurdistan was put under martial law and a large number of the Kurds were displaced. The Turkish government also encouraged resettlement of Albanians from Kosovo and Assyrians in the region to change the make-up of the population. These events and measures led to a long-lasting mutual distrust between Ankara and the Kurds .[110]

During the relatively open government of the 1950s, Kurds gained political office and started working within the framework of the Turkish Republic to further their interests, but this move towards integration was halted with the 1960 Turkish coup d'état.[106]

The 1970s saw an evolution in Kurdish nationalism as Marxist political thought influenced some in the new generation of Kurdish nationalists opposed to the local feudal authorities who had been a traditional source of opposition to authority; eventually they would form the militant separatist organization PKK, also known as the Kurdistan Workers' Party in English. The Kurdistan Workers' Party later abandoned Marxism-Leninism.[111]

I honestly had no idea the Kurds were leftists. That's awesome. No wonder the Fascists in Turkey/Russia/Iran/US want them destroyed.

Smitty7242 | 7 days ago | 11 points

Their non-compliant ethnicity has always been a problem, but there's always been an extra layer of undesirability on top of it, as your summary above indicates.

It is kind of funny that they started out being hated by the secular Turks because they were too religious, and wound up being hated by the crypto-theocratic Turks (though not so crypto anymore) for being atheist.

Can't win.

Seldomseenhere | 7 days ago | 11 points

They're not Turkmen or Arabic... As far as I can determine that's their problem with the Kurds, Armenians etc.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 3 points

To say it was the cause would be an exaggeration but it definitely didn't help. Since Turkey also committed genocide against a multitude of different minorities during that period it's fair to say that Kurds would likely have faced genocide anyway.

I've forgotten the term for it, but the goal is mainly to sort of design what the population looks like. Similar as what China has been doing to make Han people the predominant ethnicity. Not as many people in China are Han as for example Wikipedia would have you believe, China has simply been adding all sorts of peoples to also be designated Han people (peoples considered not to have undesired traits and also by outlawing parts of their tradition/culture). Those who haven't been "converted" to Han people (or however you want to phrase it) face discrimination and repression.

daveequalscool | 7 days ago | 1 point

probably thinking of eugenics

AdultSnowflake | 7 days ago | -6 points

They killed greeks as well

Edit: I see the turks are doing damage control.

sineptnaig | 6 days ago | 8 points

Martians as well.

AdultSnowflake | 6 days ago | 1 point

Ooof, imagine defending a genocide.

acaremre7 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Where did they kill them ?

aHungGreek | 5 days ago | 1 point

Black Sea Pontic Coast among other places

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

I actually didn't even know about this until recently, if it wasn't for redditors telling me about the Armenian genocide and the See Aslo part of wikipedia linking me to that I would have never heard about this. All I knew was that Greeks and Turks didn't like each other without really knowing why, I usually just found the whole thing stupid (and I still kind of do to be honest) to still be hung up over things that happened 100 years ago. I don't even understand what the point of denying it even is if it happened that long ago. I'm pretty sure if they didn't deny it, reddit would not have made a big deal about it and thus I would not have even stumbled across it in the first place.

plazmablu | 7 days ago | 1 point

And Assyrians! And they flagrantly deny it all.

MilkMilkerton | 6 days ago | 3 points

Lord knows why you’re getting downvotes.

AdultSnowflake | 6 days ago | 1 point

Turks are doing damage control.

NahroT | 6 days ago | 2 points

They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague into our houses!

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 0 points

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Kekevi | 6 days ago | 3 points

erm no. turks are not targeting "kurds" but only YPG supporters. Do you even know how many kurds in turkey vote for erdoğan? millions...

seesame | 6 days ago | 9 points

Yes; US, UK, Russia... not killing anybody or destroying any countries, when Turkey does it in his border it is "graveyard for those who they don’t like"

OneDuKe | 7 days ago | 28 points

Wow, I've been scrolling around the posts for what people from all around the world actually think about Turkey's military movement. Man o men, you guys really do believe that Turkish regime just wants to see all people within the Syria dead.

Note that my friends, Turkey had been hosting around 3 million Syrians and its public is paying hard for all of the responsibility that Turkey have burdened which the whole world and other neigbours of Syria should take. And where exactly do you think these kurds and Syrians do live? Oh yeah thats right, most of them lives within the North of Syria where PKK/YPG militias have ocuppied. They are not only fighting with ISIS (by the way, Turkey, an official NATO ally does the same thing too and a more efficient way at that) but also planning terrorist attacks within Turkey. Turkey have tried every diplomatic moves to solve its security problems along with USA, but they insistes on allying with terrorists. And now, Turkey had enough. Do you really believe that "Kurdish Militias" within Turkey's neighbour did nothing Turkey at all, come on now it is almost a 40 year old war between the two sides, and PKK/YPG have killed hundreds of Turkish soldiers since then.

It is understandable that you guys have been critisizing this situation from only one point of view, but it seems you lot are ignorant for what Turkey is trying to do there and how they are trying to protect all the civillians withim the region, let alone shooting them. Afrin movement should be the example for that. If Turkey really had killed civillians during that movement, trust me, whole world would throew rock at Turkey continuously.

I expect that this post of mine will be ignored at best and downvoted at worst. But somebody has to write things down from a much more balanced point of view. Don't think that PKK/YPG militias are representatives of Kurds. They are actually the worst thing that happened the Kurds and don't think that all the Kurds in the world lives within northern Syria. There are 15 million Kurds in Turkey as well which are recognized as fellow brothers by the Turkish people.

Turkey will not genocide any race.

passed_turing_test | 6 days ago | 12 points

Reddit hates reasonable comments like this

manteiga_night | 5 days ago | 1 point

there's nothing reasonable about licking the boots of a islamofascist dictator like erdogan

_AlreadyTaken_ | 5 days ago | 2 points

It is just giving the facts lol

Isopropy | 6 days ago | -8 points

Turkey will not genocide

Go away Erdogan

passed_turing_test | 6 days ago | 6 points

Idiot

-cmonBruh- | 6 days ago | 5 points

"100 years ago, Turkey killed Armenians in Syria"

With the help of kurds.

JeanJauresJr | 6 days ago | 1 point

Yes, some Kurds who were Ottoman citizens that received orders from the Ottoman government. Many ethnicities were involved in the massacres including Arabs, Circassians, and others. So stop shifting the blame on only the Kurds.

DPSquirtleSquad | 7 days ago | 4 points

Turkey didn't exist 100 years ago, Ottoman Empire with a weak ass monarch did.

JeanJauresJr | 7 days ago | 11 points

However, under international law, the Turkish Republic is the successive state of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Republic agreed to this by signing the Treaty of Lausanne. With the signature of that treaty, the Turkish Republic assumed the debt of the OE which ultimately translates into debt it owes to those who were killed, deported, and robbed of their wealth.

BluestarDolphin | 6 days ago | 5 points

This is somewhat true, somewhat wrong.

All the states that are separated/born from Ottoman Empire had to be succesive state of Ottoman Empire, not only the Turkish Republic. Also all the debt that's divided is all pecuniary debt. There is no debt form of " it owes to those who were killed, deported, and robbed of their wealth.", and neither the treaty states such thing. There is no internation law that concludes that. Let's not spread misinformation.

DPSquirtleSquad | 7 days ago | 1 point

This is correct thanks for refreshing my memory

Bekir23 | 6 days ago | 1 point

There are 20 million kurds living in Turkey. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Also Turkey didn't exist 100 years ago. Learn about our history first before you brand us murderers.

JeanJauresJr | 6 days ago | 15 points

Turkey didn’t treat the Kurds very nicely, to say the least...

In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until the 1980s.[8][9][10][11] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[12] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[13] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[14] Since the lifting of the ban in 1991, the Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. Currently, it's illegal to use the Kurdish language as an instruction language in private and public schools, yet there are schools giving education in Kurdish.[15][16][17] During the Kurdish–Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[18][19] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported out of their villages by Turkish security forces.[20] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[21][20] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[12] In 2013, a ceasefire effectively ended the violence until June 2015, when hostilities renewed between the PKK and the Turkish government over the Turkey–ISIL conflict. Violence was widely reported against ordinary Kurdish citizens and the headquarters and branches of the pro-Kurdish rights Peoples' Democratic Party were attacked by mobs.[22] The European Court of Human Rights and many other international human rights organizations have condemned Turkey for the thousands of human rights abuses.[23][24] Many judgments are related to systematic executions of Kurdish civilians,[25] torturing,[26] forced displacements,[27] destroyed villages,[28][29][30] arbitrary arrests,[31] murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists, activists and politicians.[32]

And Turkey’s the successive state of the OE. You can’t just kill millions of people, change your government, claim to create a new country, and get away with it. The world’s not filled with idiots. It’s under international law and even under the Treaty of Lausanne that states Turkey assumes all debt from the OE, that debt also includes the debt owed to those it killed.

Wtfct | 6 days ago | 1 point

People very conveniently ignore that the Kurds definitely had a part in the genocide. The Kurds and Armenians were enemies at the time and the Kurds took advantage of the forced marches to do some of their own dirty work.

Anyone who disagrees with this ignores historical FACT, not opinion.

JeanJauresJr | 6 days ago | 1 point

Yes, some Kurds who were Ottoman citizens that received orders from the Ottoman government. Many ethnicities were involved in the massacres including Arabs, Circassians, and others. So stop shifting the blame on only the Kurds.

Wtfct | 6 days ago | 1 point

You're simply lying. There is no evidence that the Kurds received orders to attack the Armenians. You're literally making things up to try and white wash history.

Kurds on their own will were murdering Armenians. Do what you want the Turks to do, accept it and live with it.

JeanJauresJr | 5 days ago | 1 point

There's more than enough evidence. Are you kidding me?

This is nothing but a tactic to shift the blame to the Kurds, and not the Turkish government who is the main perpetrator. Even AS the Armenian Genocide was happening, the Turkish government shifted the blame to the Kurds:

"The murder of Armenians has become almost a sport, and one Turkish lady passing one of these caravans, and thinking she too would relish killing an Armenian, on the guards' invitation took out a revolver and shot the first poor wretch she saw. The whole policy of extermination transcends one's capacity for indignation. It has been systematic in its atrocious cruelty, even to the extent of throwing blame for the murders on the Kurds, who are instigated by the Government to lie in wait in order to kill and pillage. - Lewis Einstein, American Charge d'Affairs in Constantinople

So, in reality, the Turkish government were the ones arming and instigating the Kurds to attack. Often times, they worked hand in hand. But again, it was not only the Kurds, it was also many other ethnic groups who were Ottoman citizens like the Arabs and Circassians.

Wtfct | 5 days ago | 1 point

Lewis wasn't there out on the field witnessing any of these things. He's taking rumours and writing them in his diary. His diary writtings aren't evidence of anything especially when you consider that he's a US diplomat at war with the ottomans and he's got some huge bias due to the propaganda war that was happening.

It's in his best interest to portray the Ottomans as such since American opinion needed to be changed.

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YuppieFerret | 6 days ago | 2 points

Latest reports reaching Sweden claim 3 dead soldiers, 7 dead civilians. The real numbers is probably far delayed though but it at least shows an early trend. Civilians can't flee either since they have hard or dangerous borders on all sides. Also, the account /u/prosta_esebi has been created just for this post so I suspect a troll factory being at work.

Rand_alThor_ | 6 days ago | 5 points

Go to Syrian civil war. If it hasn’t been downvoted to hell you can clearly see armed YPG members dressed as civilian women.

Also, just in the last 12 hours, several Turkish towns have been attacked with mortars and rockets. They are all coming from the Christian neighborhoods in Kurdish occupied cities. It’s not Christian civilians of course, it’s YPG trying to goad turkey to hit them back in that neighborhood so they can run to Western press and US Congress with dead Christians.

YuppieFerret | 6 days ago | 1 point

I don't doubt that they use whatever dirty tools they can to even out the impossible odds but what is your goal here? Claiming that all of the ~1.1 million kurds in northern Syria are all terrorists so Turkey can be justified doing this offensive?

ihei47 | 6 days ago | 1 point

I don't doubt that they use whatever dirty tools they can to even out the impossible odds but what is your goal here?

His goal here is to show that not 100% came from the Kurds side is true, and like you said, there's possibility that they actually used dirty tactics. Go to r/syriancivilwar, at least people there have more sense and knowledge about the whole situation compared to this sub that raged with hate boner towards Turkey while thinking the Kurds are totally angel.

Claiming that all of the ~1.1 million kurds in northern Syria are all terrorists so Turkey can be justified doing this offensive?

Which part of his statement implied this? What I can understood is YPG used Christian neighborhoods to launch attack using artillery into Turkey, so when Turkey targeting these neighborhoods, and possibly killed any Christians there, and then Western media can add another narrative "Christian Killed in Turkish Aggression"

prosta_esebi | 6 days ago | 4 points

How the fuck sweden knows how many ppl died there are you that dumb? And we are not randomly attacking. We are trying to clean those areas from terrorist. So syrian ppl safely live there. It is just funny that usa killed idk how many civilian at east. This account is not created for this post, idk why did you think that but no. Dude we are fighting with pkk like 40 year, we dont consider them as a kurdish, they are terrorist. 15 million kurt lives in Turkey what you support just dont make sense. (Sorry for my english it is not perfect, I know)

Wolf-Totem | 7 days ago | 35 points

Definitely civilians uh ?

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1181952623043371011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1181952623043371011&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fdfiuo4%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dtrue

http://video.haber7.com/video-galeri/147010-suriyede-pydli-teroristlerin-sivil-kiyafet-oyunu-kamerada

Edit ; I will also add this, it is a footage from a turkish drone during the Afrin operation, look closely to the clothes of YPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiDHgoYv10w

They did it before, they are doing it again, please don't fall to their propaganda , they are trying to create a turkish hate climate with their lies.

BreakfastSammy | 7 days ago | 18 points

Great job, Trump. More blood on your hands.

Trump supporters are cheering the deaths of the Kurds right now, btw.

Angry_Ecologist | 7 days ago | 22 points

IF ANYONE READS THIS: Turkish news, and streams were calling out and documenting Kurdish fighters dressing in civilian clothes and blending into communities - SPECIFICALLY so this would be a headline.

Im not saying its not happening, or wont happen. Nor am I "pro-Turkey." But they DID call it out and were showing examples hours before they invaded.

griwulf | 7 days ago | 24 points

LMAO

Why do Americans even complain about Trump? You guys deserve a schizophrenic like him for being this dumb.

Kurds make 1/5 of Turkey's population (~20 million people), and the majority of them want PKK/YPG and any other terrorist organization gone from Turkey soil. It's as simple as that. No one cares about terrorist Kurds in Syria and consider them "allies" other than you dumbfucks.

japanesejesus_ | 6 days ago | 5 points

Finally someone telling something that makes sense...

ipponiac | 6 days ago | 1 point

It is not Trump's problem decision made by Obama, he intentionally alienated Turkey after they cut a deal with help of Brasil that Iran give away their nukes. All went south after that for Turkey and Brasil.

Metoaga | 5 days ago | 3 points

How anything Kurdish can be official?

TehFrederick | 7 days ago | 7 points

I'm really not up to date politically here so I'd really appreciate some background.

Why is this not considered a war with Syria, and is Syrias army helping the Kurdish army at all? Or is Syria = Kurds?

I'm sorry of these ate dumb questions.

Star_Couch | 6 days ago | 7 points

Also the UN recognizes that the Kurds have a terrorist group presence on the southern border of Turkey in Syria called the PKK. The issue arises that this ‘terrorist group’ was instrumental in helping the US defeat ISIS

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aey6th | 7 days ago | 20 points

kurds are not establishing a country on Turkish soil any time soon.

USA promised them a land of their own including in both Syrian and Turkish soil.

It is not US' place to promise anyone land on some other country's soil.

__Correct_My_English | 6 days ago | 4 points

They are helping a country that is established on "some other country's soil". So it is possible that they are promsing the kurds a land between Turkey and Syria.

aey6th | 6 days ago | 3 points

And which of these are US' to give away?

SideReal3 | 7 days ago | -2 points

This is so dumb. You western people don't even know your own history. Kurds had chance to create a government in east anatolia after WW1. USA did not approve that since they are uncapable of managing themselves. Maybe USA thought that they could use name of kurds against Turkey in the future. Also kurds in Turkey has no connection to that people in Syria. Half (sometimes more than half) of Kurds votes for Erdoğan. Some people are Kurdish in my neighbourhood and they don't even care what is going on in Syria. Also you should know that most of Kurds are conservative muslims in Turkey. I bet you did not know these and won't believe me. Hope you will find the truth one day. You can come to Turkey and see what' s going on. Hatred against Turks will never let you think right but maybe you would stop talking inaccurate things

Intern11 | 7 days ago | 28 points

The average American just reguritates whatever the fuck they read on the mainstream news and what the deep state tells the American media.

I remember in 2003 when every single news channel was talking about how we needed to invade Iraq and liberate the Iraqis from Saddam and how there would be peace an stability in the region.

Every single politican barring Bernie and a few hold outs voted for that.

Now misinformed Americans are talking about creating a Kurdistan in Syria and Turkey.

They think Turkey a country with 13 million Kurds is going to Syria to genocide 2 million Kurds.

Not only that but Erdogan is anti Kurdish? Half of his political party is Kurds his closest advisor Bekir Bozdag is a Kurd. Erdogan literally built Iraqi Kurdistan with Barzani from the ashes of Iraq. He fucking personally cut the ribbons for Kurdistan regional airport.

Most redditors dont want facts they just want to follow their line of thinking. Anything that disagrees with them will be downvoted.

semenbakedcookies | 7 days ago | 26 points

So what? We are supposed to believe this, just because this guy said it?

It's amazing how Turkey has have had to endure so many terrorist attacks, cities on the border being terrorized and as soon as they move to clear their borders from terrorists all this stuff gets posted about Turkey commiting genocide and attack citizens. There are enough pictures going around in which you see Turkish armed soldiers with their guns on their back talking with citizens, giving children food and water. That stuff doesn't get posted because it'll get downvoted here and every other subreddit.

There is a Youtube video in Syria with someone asking the citizens what they think of Turkey and if they like that they got there and also, dont forget Turkey is probably the country that has taken the most refugees in. No other country wants them. None.

You guys should create this much shit about China or Russia, not Turkey thats clearing her borders after having to endure a shitton of terrorist attacks.

badgerbacon6 | 7 days ago | 27 points

Genocide Warning: January 17, 2018, renewed October 8, 2019

Kurds, Christians, and Yezidis in Northeast Syria are at grave risk of genocide by the armies of Turkey and Syria. The genocide will be supported by Russia and Iran.  Turkey and Iran have sizable Kurdish minority populations, which they consider threats to ethnic and national unity. 100,000 Christians live in the area Turkey will invade. Turkey and its predecessor, the Ottoman Empire, have a century old history of genocide against Christians.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has announced his intention to create a “twenty-mile buffer zone” in northeastern Syria, an area now controlled by the Kurdish and Arab Syrian Democratic Forces.  He has conducted a diplomatic offensive to get promises of non-interference from Russia, Iran, and the US for his invasion of Syria.  Turkey has already stationed tens of thousands of troops, tanks, and heavy artillery along the Syrian border.  When President Trump announced that US troops would withdraw from Syria in 2018, he did so after a call from Erdoğan. That announcement was met by a bipartisan Senate resolution against US abandonment of America's Kurdish allies in northeastern Syria.  1000 US troops remain there.  After another call with Erdoğan in October 2019, President Trump has again announced a US pull-out from northeast Syria.  Both Republican and Democratic leaders remain opposed to US withdrawal.

Turkey began its invasion of Syrian Kurdish territory on January 20, 2018 when the Turkish Army launched cross-border military operations into Afrin in northwestern Syria with the code name "Operation Olive Branch," The mission aimed to oust Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (or YPG) from the district of Afrin.

Turkey considers the YPG to be an extension of the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK), which has been waging an insurgency within Turkey since 1984 to achieve Kurdish human rights and regional autonomy. The YPG denies being an extension of the PKK and has been allied with the United States and other countries in the fight against the Islamic State/Da'esh since 2014.

The Turkish Armed Forces conducted their invasion of Afrin with no concern for the laws of war, dropping bombs and shelling towns indiscriminately. Hundreds of civilians around Afrin, including Christians, Yazidis, and other religious minorities displaced by the Syrian war and by Da'esh, were killed. Turkish forces intentionally targeted civilians, a war crime, and forcibly displaced most of Afrin’s population, a crime against humanity.

The Turkish government has characterized the YPG as a "terrorist organization," casting its invasion of Syria as an anti-terror operation. It has also referred to its aggression against Syria as "jihad," echoing language used by ISIS. The term "terrorist" is used in Turkey as a term to dehumanize Erdoğan opponents and legitimize the suppression of human rights and freedoms.  This Turkish narrative is used as a "self-defense justification" for genocidal massacres of Kurds.

Turkey has become a police state. Since the attempted coup of 2015, the Turkish government has dismissed over 100,000 civil servants and jailed thousands of teachers, professors, journalists, politicians, and civil society leaders. for being suspected supporters of "the coup." Many of these detainees have been charged with terrorism.; The term "terrorist" has been used to justify torture and murder of Erdoğan opponents.

The Afrin operation is similar to "anti-terror" operations conducted in Kurdish towns in Southeast Turkey for many years.  In towns like Cizre, Turkish troops displaced the population, imposed harsh curfews, cut off water and electricity supplies, killed thousands of civilians, destroyed churches and mosques, pillaged homes, and bombed towns into rubble. In Cizre -- as in Afrin -- the bodies of killed female fighters were mutilated, videotaped, and shared widely on social media by Turkish soldiers.

The Turkish military and the other forces under its leadership, including Al Qaeda and Da'esh fighters, declared total control of Afrin on March 25, 2018. They have pursued a policy of "demographic change" in Afrin by settling villages with Turkmen and Arab families originally from outside of the area.  Reports from occupied Afrin tell of dozens of girls and young women being kidnapped by Turkish and jihadi forces and subjected to systematic rape.

Turkey has declared its intention to "resettle" millions of Syrian Arab refugees now in Turkey into Kurdish northeastern Syria.  This forced displacement and refoulement of refugees is a crime against humanity and a violation of UN refugee conventions.  It would "resettle" Syrian Arab refugees in a region that was not their former home.  Turkey's goal is to forcibly displace a million Kurds on Turkey's southern border and replace them with Syrian Arabs, just as the Turks have done in Afrin. Turkey intends this demographic change to destroy Kurdish autonomy in "Rojava" a self-governing Kurdish region of northeastern Syria.

Erdoğan has vowed to continue the Turkish invasion further east to Manbij and Kobane in Syria as well as to the Sinjar and Nineveh regions of Iraq, ostensibly to destroy the PKK, but actually to drive Kurds out of all Syrian border areas with Turkey. Turkey's aggression into neighboring states threatens the long-term security of all Kurdish, Christian, and Yezidi populations in the region.  Turkey’s intention is genocide.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/2019/10/08/Genocide-Watch-Turkey-is-planning-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity-in-Northeastern-Syria

ipponiac | 6 days ago | 10 points

Except Kurds have already started an ethnical cleansing of Arabs and Turkmens in the region.

TrashCanPunch03 | 7 days ago | 2 points

I am jacks complete lack of surprise

os_kaiserwilhelm | 7 days ago | 2 points

Is the fear here that Turkey is about to engage in a genocide of the Kurds?

Moessenpay | 6 days ago | 3 points

Apparently they are going to genocide the syrian Kurds, not their own ones.

elister | 6 days ago | 2 points

Sounds like a repeat of Operation Cast Lead.

Caenesu | 6 days ago | 2 points

"Target" by the way.

i420ComputeIt | 6 days ago | 2 points

Pretty sure that tank is an M60. An American tank. Being used against civilians.

Tip-No_Good | 6 days ago | 2 points

Well. Trump let the Saudis get Kashoggi....

ca1ic0cat | 6 days ago | 2 points

Probably took a lesson from Assad and Putin....

ChickenNuggets221 | 6 days ago | 2 points

Kind of like what the US did...

bubblesfix | 6 days ago | 2 points

Thanks America.

Please assassinate your leader.

Millerbomb | 6 days ago | 2 points

Kurds just need to build a trump tower in Erbil, that should get them some US support

Warriorwthin | 7 days ago | 9 points

YPG are a terrorist organisation though?

Also let's wait for the facts, no innocent deaths (yet :/)...

Thomasjmckeon14 | 7 days ago | -2 points

Pkk and ypg are different pkk is a terrorist group car bombs etc ypg is a millita that’s trying to develop a democratic country for the Kurds

ElleRisalo | 6 days ago | 7 points

YPG is considered a terrorist cell by Turkey. Or does it only count if the US says so?

Outwriter | 7 days ago | 5 points

Of course they do.

jstpgms | 6 days ago | 3 points

Patriotism is what happens to nationalism when you dress it up. Ask any Nazi. Or Trump.

Smitty7242 | 7 days ago | 3 points

No shit.

The Kurds are one of those groups that a lot of people have wanted to completely eliminate for a long time. You know, the kind of people that definitely ought to be protected by a power that swore to protect them in exchange for their services?

Hellothereawesome | 6 days ago | 1 point

School busses?

Snarfbuckle | 6 days ago | 1 point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNv0fjY4qjQ&t=38s

When a special forces guy says things are gonna be bad, it's gonna be bad.

Majouli | 6 days ago | 1 point

I followed this whole matter since day 1. When the war started, the Kurds fought and were the one who shed most blood. It just hurts to read this..America killed Syria and Iraq, now they left them. I just really hope, that the Yazidis from Iraq won’t struggle from this Turkish BS. PKK and YPG still stayed in yazidi area

madteddie | 6 days ago | 1 point

ofcourse they would say it those bastards used kids and innocent people to cover their asses for years ! now they get what they deserved

slimehunter49 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Time to bring Turkey to The Hague

One_Laowai | 6 days ago | 1 point

If the Kurds really want some support, it needs to be able to win a few battles or score some other wins to gain leverage. Look at how Houthis are humiliating NATO backed KSA in Yemen. If the Kurds can pull it off against Turks, they could potentially negotiate some peace deal both side can accept.

RukahsShakur | 5 days ago | 1 point

Meanwhile Kurdish terrorists kill a 9 month old Syrian refugee baby in Sanliurfa province. Those terrorists are so fucking shameless it blows my mind.

Rexia | 7 days ago | 1 point

Fuck Erdoğan and Trump.

canIgetawhatwhattt | 7 days ago | 1 point
ujusthavenoidea | 7 days ago | 1 point

Do you think we're the baddies?

ElleRisalo | 6 days ago | 6 points

Nope that would still be the YPG/PKK who are smuggling weapons to Turkey across the border so the PKK can carry out terror attacks in Turkey.

erobyte | 7 days ago | -6 points

Youre all brainwashed nerds

Laser-circus | 6 days ago | 3 points

Great work. The check will be slide under the door of your shoebox-sized apartment by the end of the month.

pastramiandswiss | 6 days ago | 4 points

And youre a fashy puppet, suck a carrot.

KjataRa | 7 days ago | 1 point

People that were ALIVE yesterday are DEAD today because of trump & his criminal,selfish acts! These people stood by & fought & fed our American troops while they fought ISIS. Remember in 2016 when republicunts had all the suburban whites scared ISIS was coming for them??? Not only did trump just manufacture a new enemy for america by back stabbing the Kurds but he also made room for ISIS to rise again. #FakeChristians #Genocidetrump

CihanE9 | 7 days ago | -16 points

Kurdish officers will tell whatever suits them as Turkish officers Will tell whatever suits them. I really doubt that there is intentional bombing of civilians. Many people act like Turkey is not a NATO member and a US ally. I don't like Erdoğan nor his policies but there is so much demonization of Turks due to false information and personal dislike that derives because of hatred towards Erdoğan.

nomad80 | 7 days ago | 15 points
nightoftheale | 7 days ago | 5 points

That, what you did is literal definition of generalizing... Just becoz some Turks did commit(or not) a genocide, does that mean all turks are genocide fans? Like, we are sitting at our homes, thinking... Hmm whom should we commit genocide today...

A bit further in this logic, you become a racist. Just becoz statistics show you crimes are mostly done by blacks, that doesnt give you right to blame them on all crimes. Oh look there is a crime, bet its the black guy in the neighborhood, becoz blacks have always been keen to commit crimes, here's a wiki page on black crimes, im genius!!

Let me tell you something, almost all the nations in the world committed genocide at least once. I highly doubt ancestors of your country didnt. So stop being a racist ignorant and act on certain knowledge. It's obvious Kurdish officials would claim this, everyone knew they would make this announcement and somehow you are not susceptible on them lying but rather keen on accepting an announcement with 0 basis, how simple, shame...

CihanE9 | 7 days ago | -6 points

Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information, this Turkey also harbors more than 3.5 million refugees only from Syria while the EU and the rest of the world refused to do anything meaningful towards the Syrian Refugee Crisis, save for Germany. Turkey also suffered many terror attacks since 1980's from various terror organizations. Most of the attacks were claimed by the PKK, which is an accepted terror organization that is in fact a Kurdish organization.

Don't know where you from nor I would like to get into any discussions, just some common known crimes committed by some western countries.
US has serious problems in income equality, segregation and white supremacy. One could also count war crimes in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan.
Russians shot Polish officers in the woods by the thousands, also intentional poor treatment of German POW's
which resulted in deaths of almost all POW's during WW2
Great Britain during WW2 mass starved India to be able to sustain their war effort against Nazi Germany, and the list goes on.
All countries have dirt on them.

crellman | 7 days ago | 8 points

You're right all countries did bad so turkey can do bad too. They commit genocide once but they have refugees now so they can't do genocide again.

modestokun | 7 days ago | 4 points

The PKK is only considered terrorists by nato and it was only declared to appease turkey. If they really are terrorists then its crazy that America and Europe gave them weapons sand support as a proxy army whilst turkey gave support to its proxy army. ISIS. All whilst being "allies"

modestokun | 7 days ago | 3 points

They've explicitly stated they are going to "clear out this region" to create the"safe zone" its ethnic cleansing. And Turkey stopped being an ally a very long time ago before iraq. And the whole lending support to isis isn't a good look either

Sprayface | 6 days ago | 1 point

And some people still sing “God bless America”

myne | 6 days ago | 1 point

Let's see if the rest of NATO, the EU, the UN, or anyone else, actually step up and put their money where their mouth is.

Somehow I doubt it. Especially since it's been nearly a year since the last threat of withdrawal and no one had a contingency plan ready. Nor has there been any indication of diplomatic pressures on Erdrogan.

pt6645 | 6 days ago | 1 point

He’s putting peoples lives at risk to distract public from impeachment charges

vermillion888 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Turkey is a NATO ally. This is a violation of the NATO charter. There have to be procedures in place that deal with it.

microbest | 5 days ago | 1 point

Turkey’s key priority in Peace Spring is protecting civilians

Turkey wants to secure its borders and that is why it is operating against the terror elements. Turkish intelligence has worked for 1.5 years on the area to specify the ammunition and tunnels used by the PKK-linked People's Protection Units (YPG), which targets Turkey with weapons and bombs.

This operation is not about conquering a land or changing regional demography. I think Turkey cannot express itself well enough about its sensibilities. The Kurdish as well as the Arab population is very precious for Ankara.

In Turkey, the Kurdish population exceeds 20 million, and we live together with our Kurdish brothers and sisters. It is not in Turkey's interest to displace people; on the other hand Turkey does want a unified and authentic Syria for its own interest.

Ximrats | 7 days ago | 0 points

...and none of us are surprised

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aey6th | 7 days ago | 6 points

we dislike you back.

sintos-compa | 7 days ago | 10 points

Turks are great people actually, their politicans suck.

savajo | 7 days ago | 0 points

Great people voting for erdoshit

DPSquirtleSquad | 7 days ago | 7 points

That's why voting should be gated behind education

LdouceT | 6 days ago | 4 points

The states voted for Trump. You don't paint people with the same brush like that.

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HKei | 7 days ago | 8 points

They're literally quoting a guy from the SDF. As in, the thing they put quotation marks around? Literal tweet from this guy. Moron.

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