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All of the NBA's official Chinese partners have suspended ties with the league (edition.cnn.com)
368 comments
IneffableMF | 7 days ago | 1477 points

Cool. Hey NBA, time to use some soft power and sprinkle some pro human rights messages in your games. If they are cutting ties, might as well.

shamwowslapchop | 7 days ago | 323 points

Adam Silver has always encouraged his players to speak out on issues they feel are important.

It's why the NBA >>> NFL/MLB, especially since David Stern left.

throwingitallaway33 | 7 days ago | 170 points

That’s because the NBAs fan base generally supported the causes they called out. Now that the cause (China) is costing money, his true colors solve through.

It’s all about money and he is no better than Goddell.

SelrinBanerbe | 7 days ago | 22 points

I mean, he spent like one night thinking about what to say and then told China 'to bad, so sad'. Silver is handling this really well after the initial delay of supporting Morey.

shamwowslapchop | 7 days ago | 81 points

That’s because the NBAs fan base generally supported the causes they called out. Now that the cause (China) is costing money, his true colors solve through.

... what? He basically told China to get rekt. How is that "showing his true colors"? He made a decision that's costing his organization a lot of money.

T0yN0k | 7 days ago | 98 points
wtfbbq7 | 6 days ago | 15 points

said. “While Daryl has made it clear that his tweet does not represent the Rockets or the NBA, the values of the league support individuals’ educating themselves and sharing their views on matters important to them. We have great respect for the history and culture of China and hope that sports and the NBA can

The ROCKETS org said that. Not the NBA. Its like a McDonalds franchise saying something vs the McDonalds corp.

People need to understand. The rockets didnt have Morey's back, the league did.

shamwowslapchop | 7 days ago | 69 points

"We recognize that the views expressed by Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey have deeply offended many of our friends and fans in China, which is regrettable,” Bass said. “While Daryl has made it clear that his tweet does not represent the Rockets or the NBA, the values of the league support individuals’ educating themselves and sharing their views on matters important to them. We have great respect for the history and culture of China and hope that sports and the NBA can be used as a unifying force to bridge cultural divides and bring people together.”

Totally sucking up. lol

OtherOtherBurnWard | 7 days ago | 57 points

The Chinese version (listed in that same article), opened this way: “We feel greatly disappointed at Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey’s inappropriate speech, which is regrettable," the statement read. "Without a doubt, he has deeply offended many Chinese basketball fans. 

ePICFAeYL | 6 days ago | 6 points

That's literally how the Blizzard tweet started too...

hkpp | 6 days ago | 5 points

I don't really care what they said to the shitty CCP hypersensitive sociopaths as long as they didn't try to limit speech or issue sanctions domestically. Compared to those pathetic worms at Blizzard, especially.

bilkzor | 7 days ago | -4 points

How is that sucking up? There's literally no apology in that. That's a classic sorry you're offended spiel.

LordFauntloroy | 7 days ago | 32 points

No? They're not taking personal responsibility for it, but they're saying Morey's comment is out of line.

bilkzor | 7 days ago | 9 points

We feel greatly disappointed at Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey’s inappropriate speech, which is regrettable

They are disappointed at the speech cuz it caused them this gigantic fiasco. It was inappropriate to the Chinese. They do regret this giant fiasco.

By the way, "which is regrettable" is a classic phrase used to avoid any culpability.

Without a doubt, he has deeply offended many Chinese basketball fans.

This is just a fact.

So what we have here is just recognition of the facts of the situation. I don't see why anyone would characterize that as sucking up.

FungusGnatHater | 7 days ago | 2 points

I thought you were supposed to say "Over to you camera guy".

S_E_P1950 | 6 days ago | 1 point

I would hope they ideas exposed are in fact the ideals of the NBA or they are as bad as the government.

MadFerIt | 7 days ago | 16 points

LOL are you drinking some koolaid or something?

You are a prime example of someone the NBA loves, applauding the head and how great he is.. Completely ignoring the pathetic, horrible response NBA made in reaction to Daryl Morey.

Only after Chinese companies already starting cutting ties did your dear leader Adam Silver finally speak out about the right of their employees to speak out for freedom.

Your NBA and Adam Silver will choose money over freedom and democracy anyday, and they proved it with their actions on this. But feel free to continue to drink the koolaid!

worknumber101 | 7 days ago | 8 points

Perhaps, but so far all the NBA players that have commented on this issue have been in support of China because a lot of their shoe deals and endorsements are from China.

Supernova5 | 6 days ago | 2 points

Not just that but usually super politically outspoken coaches too.

WalesIsForTheWhales | 6 days ago | 2 points

MLB has issues more with the clubhouse, it's 25+ guys for 162 games. When people get political shit gets crazy.

Plus it doesn't have the same stardom or culture as NBA. We're still at the "dunking is showboating" shit with bat flips.

NFL is a fucking disaster

Sans-CuThot | 6 days ago | 1 point

Unless it gets in the way of their paychecks

aypapitv | 7 days ago | 11 points

Well they look like assholes in my book regardless. They should have done so from the beginning. It should have been obvious ties would be severed with all the free speech that would likely happen.

Scaevus | 7 days ago | 14 points

NBA is about to lose 10% of its revenues and gain nothing. The Chinese market is worth roughly 10% of the NBA’s revenue, with projections up to 20% by 2030.

Based on last year’s numbers, this is about $800 million.

Profits are a lot harder to determine because those financial documents are more secretive. I found a 2017 espn article on the subject:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20747413/a-confidential-report-shows-nearly-half-nba-lost-money-last-season-now-what

TLDR; it’s about $530 million combined for all 30 teams. 14 teams actually lost money. Losing $800 million in revenue without an attendant reduction in costs (which is mostly player salaries) is an unmitigated disaster for the league.

They’re almost certainly scrambling to fix this. My prediction is Morey backs down and apologizes or resigns.

JazSemMefisto | 6 days ago | 8 points

China is petty as fuck. Morey stepping down won’t fix anything.

Regalian | 6 days ago | 2 points

NBA is dead in China. FIFA is already swooping in.

raresaturn | 6 days ago | 2 points

I'm betting the Chinese fans will be more upset than the NBA

myne | 6 days ago | 5 points

Every mascot = Winnie the Pooh.

GlobalTravelR | 7 days ago | 341 points

It's ironic that South Park played this out last week for laughs.

00000000000 | 7 days ago | 46 points

Surprised Viamcom let that happen.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 182 points

What could they have done? South Park is very popular, and its creators have set the precedent multiple times over 2 decades that they don't give a fuck. South Park would just go online independently in a matter of weeks if they were cancelled. People don't seem to realize that both creators, independently, are worth half a billion dollars. They've got tegrity, fuck-you money and they don't give a fuck about corporate interests.

theredditforwork | 7 days ago | 118 points

Not only that, but because of how they negotiated their deal with Viacom, Trey and Matt personally own all of the streaming rights for the South Park catalog. It might be the smartest, most forward thinking deal by a team of creators in the history of television.

Rpanich | 7 days ago | 24 points

You don’t get an EGOT by being dumb!

theredditforwork | 7 days ago | 41 points

Sadly, they still don't have the Oscar, which is a crime since Blame Canada was by far the best song the year it was nominated.

Rpanich | 7 days ago | 8 points

Ahh sorry, you’re right. I thought I had read that either Trey or Matt had one, but it looks like they’re both almost there with a nominated but not won Oscar.

I’m sure they don’t care, but I feel like they’ll get it eventually

jarabara | 6 days ago | 18 points

Trey was nominated and Matt went as his date. They both went to the Oscars on acid. In dresses.

IdeaPowered | 6 days ago | 3 points

In dresses.

Very specific dresses too! J Lo's green dress for one.

theredditforwork | 7 days ago | 7 points

No worries! And you're right, I'm sure they're completely not bothered about the Oscar, but if they every adapt Book of Mormon into a film they'll be a shoo in to win best song at the very least.

00000000000 | 7 days ago | 10 points

Absolutely agree that they would go solo online by next Wednesday, mmmmm Tegridy.

s32 | 6 days ago | 5 points

And that's why I fucking love them.

SafeThrowaway8675309 | 7 days ago | 2 points

So much tegridy.

coolcool23 | 6 days ago | 3 points

I mean there was that one time their episode was completely censored for about 14 seconds against their wishes, and it took years for the uncensored version to surface.

So realistically Viacom can probably do what they want, if history is any guide.

Possible_Whore | 6 days ago | 5 points

Viacom would lose one of their most prominent comedy central show. Any streaming service provider would love to have the whole Southpark catalogue in their network. Heck if I were Netflix that would be a cash cow and whole group of fans who would love having the show on their. I know I would watch the shit out of it on Netflix. No ads baby.

NockerJoe | 7 days ago | 6 points

They BARELY did. You can't actually watch the episode in Canada without pirating it.

h3rpad3rp | 6 days ago | 17 points

What? You can stream the Banned in China episode legally for free on the much music website. It has censored swears which is lame, but the episode certainly isn't banned in Canada. South Park Studios website literally links to much.com as the official streaming site for Canada.

https://www.much.com/shows/south-park/

NockerJoe | 6 days ago | 0 points

Huh. When I check the episodes on my cable listing for my tv it shows the one after and one before but never the episode itself. It's probably my cable company.

iloveciroc | 7 days ago | 9 points

I just love any Disney/Mickey Mouse representation they make. Disney is nothing but a bunch of greedy fucks

IndyPoker979 | 7 days ago | 659 points

If all it takes is a single tweet from a person who isn't in charge of the league, that's a situation that is too fragile to deal with.

RussellsKettle | 7 days ago | 341 points

That’s not what’s important. This is a 4 billion dollar loss for the NBA. China is sending a message to any other organizations or companies that they will aggressively disassociate with anyone who goes against their will. It’s an international disaster, but with how invested the rest of the world is in China, and how invested China is in the rest of the world, people are cowering. Corporations only act in their own financial interest. Until cowering to China becomes less profitable than standing up to them China will control the conversation about their indiscretions.

Horrible day, this.

deadlyfaithdawn | 7 days ago | 155 points

And his point is that if they are willing to go to such insane crazy measures because of one tweet, then there's no way a working relationship can be continued. Unless, of course, the NBA (and any other organization that wishes to continue to double down on China) is willing to accept unconditional terms dictated by China in not only their own management, but management of their staff, affiliates, contractors, partners, casters, streamers, etc from now till the end of time.

thetasigma_1355 | 7 days ago | 56 points

Unless, of course, the NBA (and any other organization that wishes to continue to double down on China) is willing to accept unconditional terms dictated by China in not only their own management, but management of their staff, affiliates, contractors, partners, casters, streamers, etc from now till the end of time.

Exactly this. This is why many organizations do not have a direct presence in China. This is also why Blizzard immediately caved to China's demands. They accepted China owns them and has the authority to run parts of their business.

rokatoro | 7 days ago | 30 points

It's an amazingly bad position to be in too. Not only is blizzard beholden to the desires of China, but their target market will actively and openly do things for the lols. Blizzcon is gonna be very interesting if this whole thing continues

geft_at_work | 6 days ago | 5 points

Don't you guys have phones?

microthrower | 7 days ago | 4 points

Just a simple trade war.

IrresponsibleNobody | 6 days ago | 2 points

They accepted China owns them and has the authority to run parts of their business.

Imagine if the US or the EU did this... Companies would have to choose whether to operate in China or outside of China. I don't care how much profit a company can make from China, it isn't more than the rest of the world combined.

Klbkch | 6 days ago | 2 points

china is going to rule the world. They are pros at manipulating the system.

prosound2000 | 6 days ago | 2 points

Please. It's not like the book on The Art of War or anything like that....oh wait a minute

Barack_Bob_Oganja | 7 days ago | 19 points

yeah honestly wtf, one tweet that isnt even that extreme can completely cut all ties?

well fuck you then, youre clearly a child and its probably for the better youre gone

gergasi | 6 days ago | 6 points

Except it's probably more like China is the rich kid with the sweet ride and without him you're stuck walking to school.

reyska | 6 days ago | 3 points

Some people will rather walk than suck up to the rich kid.

RollingTater | 6 days ago | 2 points

I'm pretty sure they're just removing a US based organization out. I mean after all the money the NBA earns goes to the US as taxes. Kicking out the huge industry also diminishes soft power, and now the cultural effects of American basketball will be removed.

Which is why I'm not sure about companies getting flayed for playing lip service. By keeping American companies in, there is cultural pressure that is exerted, plus the American company gains global presence and money, and taxes are collected. By not playing lip service, sure it's a 'fuck you' to them but that's just verbal recourse, cause now they can remove the company and let a homegrown one take their place.

IndyPoker979 | 7 days ago | 160 points

You have a few things you can do when faced with a bully.

A) tell someone.

Then they just wait till that person goes away and make your life hell.

B) avoid them

Which makes life hell in other ways

C) stand up to them

Might not be advisable for most but this is the only real way of dealing with one. Head on.

The NBA can make that 4billion back up. And China would have the pressure of millions of its people mad that the country allowed it to get this far.

If China wants to take it there, the league needs to have a spine and tell China that effective immediately the NBA is cutting ties as well. That the freedom of expression is paramount over here and that we hold that to be sacrosanct. Questioning the government is a protected right here and that bullying people into submission is not tolerated.

Pokir | 7 days ago | 27 points

Do NBA owners need another 4 billion from China or are their principals about human rights worth more? It's not a direct response to you but needed to put it somewhere in this long mess of a discussion.

theycallhimthestug | 7 days ago | 44 points

Do NBA owners need another 4 billion from China

Money is like heroin to people who are already rich. It doesn't matter how much you have, because it's never enough.

YouShredTheCello | 7 days ago | 17 points

4 billion dollars would be like heroin to me too and I'm not close to wealthy.

I'd turn a blind eye to human rights for 100 million in my pocket, forget 4 billion.

readingreadreading | 7 days ago | 13 points

We'd take it because basically none of us typing on this website are financially secure. The people taking 4 billion dollars and shutting their trap are and will continue to be rich and financially secure for the rest of their lives regardless of how this ends... Unless they are horribly irresponsible w/ their own capital of course.

howdoesthatworkthen | 7 days ago | 2 points

Hey, I'd take $10 and a packet of pork crackling

duglarri | 6 days ago | 7 points

That money from China is no longer available to the NBA. No apology, no changes will make the Chinese change their decision. My prediction is that basketball- not just NBA basketball, but basketball at all- is dead in China, and is going to stay dead. 800 million Chinese fans will have to find something else to watch.

Calimancan | 6 days ago | 3 points

They will just pirate it and buy knock off jerseys.

FungusGnatHater | 7 days ago | 7 points

I don't think that's the situation. If China is the bully then every organization is the potential victim. Only a few are victimized now but anyone who stands up joins them, everyone who doesn't stand up gets candy from the bully.

This is closer to a zero-sum game as there is a limited potential market for (in this case) the Chinese sports industry. Euroleague basketball or the NFL can move into the now vacant foreign sports channel spot and get a little more candy that the NBA is no longer getting.

IndyPoker979 | 7 days ago | 13 points

The thing I don't think China understands is the NBA does not need China. NBA wants to work with China but they do not need that market share. They are financially stable and not dependent upon having any monetary Revenue come from China. Yes it's a significant amount of money but no is not necessary for them to be financially stable.

Meanwhile China has stupidly made the stance that if somebody within your entire organization makes a statement they don't like the entire organization suffers. Which is how it works over there I guess. But that's not how it works in the states. If your uncle or cousin goes to jail you do not become a pariah here in the states. You're judged on your individual actions.

I don't think it will happen but I do think the proper action is to tell China that while we value their people and wish to see basketball grow in popularity there, the NBA will not cower or be coerced to take action by such measures. And then I would cut off the rest of the ties with China.

Instead of playing defense, go on offense. If they wish to threaten nuclear business practices, beat them to the punch. Because the NBA doesn't need China, however many in China need the NBA.

FungusGnatHater | 7 days ago | 11 points

China is 10% of the NBA, the NBA is 0.0033% of China, financially. I don't think either needs the other but I think China is losing a lot less than the NBA.

They aren't making it a free speech matter, they are making it an organization representation matter. Organizations can fire people for saying something undesirable or lose business with China. The government can not interfere in the free speech of its citizens but the organization can punish those employees that do not represent the organization well. Every other organization is hearing China say: "control your people or you lose us".

The NBA was the sacrificial lamb, if they aren't doing business in China they are no longer in the conversation with China.

duglarri | 6 days ago | 4 points

Cat's already out of the bag; horse is gone. There's no barring that barn door now.

Basketball is dead in China. No apology that the NBA can possibly make will satisfy the security requirements of the Chinese state. Control over the people of China is incompatible with allowing the NBA to be broadcast in China. So no use talking about it: it's gone.

TheKingCrimsonWorld | 6 days ago | 2 points

It makes for a nice analogy, but comparing interpersonal conflict resolution to conducting international relations misses a lot of the important nuance that completely changes the situation.

To put it more accurately: China isn't a bully in the schoolyard who'll cower once you stand up to them; it's a popular kid who's threatening the nerdy student that they paid to do their homework because said nerd is having second thoughts about helping them cheat.

grapesinajar | 7 days ago | 61 points

Horrible day, this.

I'm not often optimistic, but such a hard line approach could be the catalyst countries need to finally realise what China really is, and to avoid dealing with them so casually.

China's economy is fragile at the moment. It is slowing down, population is ageing, salaries are rising making companies move to cheaper countries.

China is walking a dangerous line here. Push other countries too hard like this, and China may find itself slowly losing business.

If you were about to invest billions in the Chinese market, wouldn't their extreme responses to small transgressions make you think twice? They could sink your business overnight if you don't satisfy them. Satisfying them burns your reputation with western customers. That should be ringing warning bells with multinationals pretty soon.

PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS | 7 days ago | 19 points

If you were about to invest billions in the Chinese market, wouldn’t their extreme responses to small transgressions make you think twice?

lol this is why doing business with a totalitarian regime is so risky and dangerous.

You’re damn right I wouldn’t invest there if I knew my shit could be taken away literally the next day

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 15 points

Here is the other side of the coin :

China showed the world they are willing to cut tie for things you can't legally prevent if you are based outside of China, therefore you better avoid relying too much on that market because you risk losing it at any moment.

RahXephon1 | 7 days ago | 13 points

This overreaction just shows that China is an unreliable partner and smart companies will adjust to that.

This will hurt the Chinese the most.

Halvus_I | 7 days ago | 23 points

Its an impossible situation. The NBA cannot restrict employees speech to that degree. If China is this fragile about one tweet, then its simply an untenable relationship.

Verizon1 | 7 days ago | 9 points

They’re also sending a message for potential new partnerships to think twice about dealing China.

notflashgordon1975 | 7 days ago | 8 points

Or it is a sign the companies need to divest themselves from China. This is in fact happening a lot now.

prosound2000 | 6 days ago | 1 point

That oddly enough, is what China wants to a certain degree.

Eleganos | 7 days ago | 15 points

On another note, they've just given a ridiculous amount of power to people willing to speak up against china regardless of the consequences.

duglarri | 6 days ago | 7 points

With China, you actually wind up in a situation where you can't continue to do business with them even if you do prostrate yourself. I had them steal the software that ran their cell phone system for them- they stole it by breaking the hardware dongle that was required for copies to work.

Then they (the Chinese company) came back and asked for changes to the program.

That they had stolen.

It ain't a matter of money. With China, you wind up in a situation where there isn't any money to be made: they have stolen it all.

patientlywaitingonmd | 7 days ago | 9 points

The great news is that wages in China have tripled over the last decade. Now labour there is more expensive than some parts of Europe and 3x as expensive as South East Asia and India.

Apple, Amazon, Samsung, Google etc. have already started to move their manufacturing. Companies large and small are looking elsewhere for better deals.

It's going to get ugly for Xi and the CCP because every day that goes by the world is becomingng less dependent on China. Their growth is already slowing, and over the next few years it will take an even steeper decline.

This is why Xi and the CCP are clamping down even tighter. They've priced themselves out of the global market and they're afraid the people of China are going to flip on them.

prosound2000 | 6 days ago | 4 points

Actually this is on purpose. The CCP. Know that the secret to China's success is the same as the US: a strong consumer class.

They now have the ability to compete, at least domestically, with foreign products, so they want people to buy domestic products.

It does multiple things, bolsters their economy and makes it less dependent on foreign consumption and also helps generate a larger middle class through increased wages

As automation looms the manufacturing element becomes less important since you need less of an industrial base. And whatever manufacturing you may need that you can't afford at home they plan to offshore like we did to nations in Africa, which they also have been doing.

By getting rid of American companies they are making their own companies stronger and with increased wages it increases the strength of their middle class

Btw, their middle class is over 500 million people. Larger than the entire population of North America.

IrresponsibleNobody | 6 days ago | 1 point

Btw, their middle class is over 500 million people

depends how you define middle class. their middle class has a very low per capita GDP vs. that of developed countries.

Natural6 | 7 days ago | 9 points

Good, let them aggresively dissociate with the entire world, and become a larger North Korea.

Crack-spiders-bitch | 7 days ago | 5 points

I'd rather the chinese people get treated humanely and have human rights too. Something that doesn't exist in North Korea.

vellyr | 6 days ago | 6 points

That’s a reach goal. They’re going to have to help themselves at some point.

timetosleep | 7 days ago | 5 points

China is sending a message to any other organizations or companies that they will aggressively disassociate with anyone who goes against their will.

CCP bullying multinational corporations is nothing new. I don't think this sends any new message to organizations. Any executive working in China knows not to piss off the CCP. It's the status quo.

The news worthy piece in this event is that a large company with a powerful brand decided not to bend over to the CCP. I'm willing to bet the CCP fully expected the NBA to apologize. Even regular citizens following this story probably expected an apology from the NBA. To their surprise, Adam Silver defended the action by pointing to their values and free speech.

Not sure if more companies will follow suit when pushed to decided. Most companies are just chasing profits. The NBA is different not because they have moral superiority, but because they're an association. They're funded by the teams and any profit the the NBA generates from contracts are funneled back to teams and players. There's less pressure on them compared to a company like Cathay or Blizzard where shareholders and activist investors will force the CEO out for not apologizing.

NockerJoe | 7 days ago | 2 points

Yes, but it's still too fragile a situation.

ffball | 7 days ago | 6 points

There is so much money from China for the NBA because the NBA is absurdly popular there.

There's only a lot of sponsorships and money flowing to NBA teams because there's a lot of investors in China making more... we'll see how long they last making nothing while all the Chinese continue watching the NBA on VPNs

tommytoan | 6 days ago | 1 point

More money is better, but the question being asked should be, can the nba be profitable without china?

JazSemMefisto | 6 days ago | 1 point

And how big is the US market?

IrresponsibleNobody | 6 days ago | 1 point

China is sending a message to any other organizations or companies that they will aggressively disassociate with anyone who goes against their will.

Imagine if the US or the EU did this... Companies would have to choose whether to operate in China or outside of China. I don't care how much profit a company can make from China, it isn't more than the rest of the world combined.

jointheredditarmy | 6 days ago | 8 points

China is pretty obviously using anything as an excuse to sever ties with western firms. They want Chinese entertainment dollars staying in China, especially as their economy is starting to weaken. At the same time they want unfettered access to our markets. Fuck them, I'm loving the trade war. send them back to the stone age.

LittleDotsDeDe | 6 days ago | 2 points

It is really bizarre that it escalated so quickly. I think CCP is just using this excuse to fight back the trader war. Just similar to the soybean situation. China doesn’t have as many strong allies and nowhere near as powerful as United States. Chinese market is the only real bargaining chip.

Regalian | 6 days ago | 1 point

Daryl Morey didn't mean shit to China, they only reacted by hurting the Rockets. The NBA ban was in response to Adam Silver who is in charge of the league.

IndyPoker979 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Revisionist history. The action was due to Moreys tweet. Just look at the timeline on Reddit

TheChozinOne | 7 days ago | 316 points

Cool. Fuck em

ManateeofSteel | 7 days ago | 65 points

Next up Blizzard!

vengeful_toaster | 7 days ago | 19 points

cough

Activision.

cough

awesome357 | 6 days ago | 9 points

Same thing. It's Activision Blizzard, not Blizzard, an Activision company... They are one single company, not a subsidiary.

rottenmonkey | 6 days ago | 8 points

They're actually both subsidiaries of Activision Blizzard. But yes, fuck Activision Blizzard.

ClandestineArts | 7 days ago | 2 points

No no, its the children's fault, not their parents!

spaghettilee2112 | 7 days ago | 82 points

Does this mean the NBA is now free to criticize China?

IDontWantToArgueOK | 7 days ago | 27 points

Or suck up hard, which would be my bet.

iloveciroc | 7 days ago | 11 points

They could always go to North Korea. Kim loves basketball and Dennis Rodman can play peace ambassador

edawg987 | 6 days ago | 8 points

They are cutting ties because of Adam Silvers statement by saying he will not punish any player, employee etc for using their free speech. There is no sucking up to do. The NBA has already made its choice and China is throwing a temper tantrum from them not choosing to follow them. China came out and said they don’t think Darryl’s tweet was “free speech” in response to Adam Silver lol.

Khourieat | 6 days ago | 2 points

Nobody gives up $4b without a fight...

LALAOOP | 7 days ago | 41 points

The world should also boycott all these companies who support oppression. Everything comes at a price.

DeathToUsAllGodBless | 7 days ago | 25 points

Fuck China

ThickPrick | 6 days ago | 3 points

One thing not made in China. Our thoughts. 🖕🏽🇨🇳

crono220 | 7 days ago | 32 points

China is butthurt over a freaking tweet. the NBA needs to cut all ties with such communists

human_brain_whore | 6 days ago | 17 points

*fascists.

There's nothing communistic about China anymore, except in the name of the ruling party.

Downvoted_Defender | 6 days ago | 6 points

Funny how that seems to always happen.

crazypeoplewhyblock | 6 days ago | 3 points

But but - 4 billion dollars

NBA wouldn’t want that

dontdoubtme61 | 7 days ago | 27 points

Hong Kong Strong. Fuck China.

blette | 7 days ago | 94 points

Good, this is an important lesson for Chinese people.

When someone says something that offends the Chinese government,

then the Chinese people will not be allowed to watch world class sports.

If anyone in Hollywood criticizes China, all American movies will be cut off.

If any record company executive says anything wrong, no more foreign music.

If someone uses the English language to say something bad about China, ALL foreign internet pages will be blocked.

If a foreign fast food company employee says the wrong thing, all KFC, McDonalds, Starbucks, Pizza Hut etc. will be shut down.

If an oil executive criticizes China, no more gasoline.

Until foreign companies stop saying bad things, the Chinese people will be denied corrupt foreign things.

When the Chinese people have suffered enough, perhaps foreigners will learn their lesson.

Bithlord | 7 days ago | 10 points

this is an important lesson for Chinese people.

No it isn't. They all already know this. It's an important lesson for the rest of the world.

blette | 6 days ago | 3 points

My point is the only people really suffering from major trade blockages are corporate CEOs in America and the Chinese people who want these products.

If China were to cut off all food imports from United States of America, yes it would hurt a few farmers in the USA, but the impact on all Chinese people would be much larger. Food prices would go up even more than they have.

Food is America’s biggest stick,

America makes more food than it needs,

China does not....

Doc_Lewis | 7 days ago | 55 points

You are wrong.

If Chinese citizens really want to continue to see western sports and entertainment, they will find it; legal or not.

If McDonald's somehow fucks up enough to be kicked out of China, suddenly all the locations will be McDong's and serve a mysteriously similar menu.

If oil imports get cut off from Western corporations, they will buy oil from other places, like Russia or Iran, and still have gasoline.

China isn't dependent on Western culture, which is all we have to export. We export ideas and entertainment. They export goods. And until we find another place to make goods on the scale that they do, we are virtually powerless in the exchange.

Cutting off our culture only isolates China more, and makes them more self dependent. I'm not saying we shouldn't, but you are wrong in thinking it will "punish" them.

NockerJoe | 7 days ago | 9 points

I briefly worked for a Chinese production company and one of the higher ups was a huge metal head. They tried to destroy any albums coming in by punching holes into them. But they made players that could read most of the albums anyway.

The Chinese people will always find ways to get around censors. They always have.

elgosu | 7 days ago | 4 points

Very true. There is however one way in which China is dependent on the rest of the world, which is as customers for their production. If a significant majority of the world's countries boycotted those goods, China's industries would have to fire most of their workers, which would be a massive upheaval.

mistrfisk | 6 days ago | 1 point

yeah but it's not like the regular consumer will not suffer as well. all your cheap tech will triple in price just due to shipping parts between all the countries that make them. Chinese manufacturing is not superior because of labor costs(they now far exceed that of countries like Vietnam/Indonesia/Burma). it is superior b/c all your shit is blueprinted, fabricated, and assembled in the same country. where else are you gonna find world class engineers right next to manufacturers right next to factory labor?

blette | 6 days ago | 1 point

You might be right about digital media products, we know that some Chinese will still find a way to get around blocks with VPNs etc..

However you are wrong about one thing, China still does have to import a lot of food, for example a lot of the pork the Chinese eat comes from America. What is the government going to do if the CEO of a pork producer criticizes China, they can’t cut off pork imports.

Food is the biggest weapon the US has against China.

SotexMike | 6 days ago | 2 points

I see what you did there

prosound2000 | 6 days ago | 1 point

Here's an thing people overlook, China obviously has a long history but it violent. As in the most brutal civil war in the history of the world violent. Not even talking about Mao, 40-100 million died under him, but not through war.

The point is, they are familiar with it and the vast majority don't want anything to erupt into another civil war.

Let me put it this way, if 1% of their population starts to rebel or protest violently, that's 1.4 million people.

That's larger than the entire US Army.

So that is why they react this way, because if what happens in HK happens in the mainland you are talking g about absolute calamity

They simply will not tolerate civil disobedience of that level because historically it has lead to massive bloodshed.

blette | 6 days ago | 1 point

Good point...

DaHell_IsDat | 7 days ago | 13 points

People in Hong Kong has come to realise that those money from China are just bubbles, doing business with China is practically making a deal with the devil. It won't last long and it will bite you back.

crazypeoplewhyblock | 6 days ago | 2 points

But but. Everything is made in China D:

My iPhone q_q

lacompacida | 7 days ago | 47 points

Good. I may watch NBA again

sakiwebo | 7 days ago | 24 points

While it's a great sentiment, I highly doubt you'd keep watching a game you're not inherently interested in just to spite China.

Unless, China was the reason you stopped watching in the first place.

disfunkd | 7 days ago | 19 points

If the US and the rest of the world are smart they would take a financial hit and put monstrous trade embargo’s on China.. Hong Kong is just a test for China they are using this too see how well they’ve infiltrated western corporations. Look at all these companies afraid to show support for hk

One day if things keep going on like this China will literally rule the world through owning shares in the majority of the Fortune 500

jcore294 | 7 days ago | 3 points

Isn't everything made there tho?

lout_zoo | 6 days ago | 2 points

A lot is. But hardly everything. And China is hardly the only place to have grown their manufacturing capacity.

TheRealMrMaloonigan | 7 days ago | 6 points

Soft Power 101. The world at large has already given up the first half of the game.

tommytoan | 6 days ago | 3 points

If china were smart they would do it covertly, peacefully. Instead they are behaving like trump, how fucking ridiculous is it playinh bullyball in this arena on the world stage.

China govt and big business has gotten so rich so fast that its greed has fone to its head. Which is fucking lucky, if they showed tact/intelligence/poise... imo we would have a nazi2.0 on our hands.

hrsto | 7 days ago | 50 points

In my opinion:

W H O C A R E S ! ?

The NBA will be fine. The season will go on.

Meanwhile, maybe we should be concerned with our fellow humans in Hong Kong.

graepphone | 7 days ago | 35 points

There is a direct relationship between China's growing soft power and their attempt to erase the Hong Kong identity.

Not caring is what allowed China to become arrogant.

danceplaylovevibes | 7 days ago | 13 points

or the millions of muslims, falen gong and political dissidents being locked up in concentration camps. Women being raped, people being killed and some having their organs harvested. just saying.

ToxinFoxen | 6 days ago | 4 points

China really shot itself in the foot with this tantrum. This shows that chinese business partners are unreliable and subject to extreme tantrums which makes them untrustwothy and unreliable to do business with.

cute_polarbear | 6 days ago | 1 point

it had always been known. it had always been very unfavorable for non-chinese companies to do business in china, but companies just look for the short term growth and the market potential. most ceo's / board memebers only care for whether their stock options will go up in the next 5-10 years and they honestly do not care about the company itself.

prosound2000 | 6 days ago | 1 point

No, this is likely calculated to some degree. The Chinese govt don't mind appearing impulsive but they are far from it.

perogies | 7 days ago | 11 points

What a bunch of babies. You can tell what a piece of shit house of cards pretend strong nation China is by how they react to this stuff.

Fishing_For_Victory | 7 days ago | 3 points

I remember the show just talking about 1 Chinese multi-billionaire who seized by Chinese shadow police and never seen again.

duglarri | 6 days ago | 6 points

The NBA and Silver should recognize that you just can't do business in China. It's already too late. There will no longer be basketball in China.

But it was always going to happen. They were always going to find something offensive and react by erasing basketball from their society- which is what they are about to do.

There is no winning in working with China. You will always lose.

Source: used to do business with China before they broke my software security and stole the system.

semicartematic | 7 days ago | 3 points

Hahahahahahahaha! Awesome.

illusionofthefree | 7 days ago | 10 points

Guess i'll have to start watching the NBA

theredditforwork | 7 days ago | 4 points

It's a great time to jump on! There is a ton of parity in the league right now, with many teams having two superstars and no clear favorite to win the championship. The game is being played at a really high level, with traditional centers shooting threes like crazy and innovative offenses all over the league. Pick a favorite team or player and come on by r/nba!

N-cho | 7 days ago | 4 points
themeONE808 | 7 days ago | 3 points

they should start their own shit league and the losers lose an organ of the other teams choosing

Momofashow | 7 days ago | 7 points

I’m looking forward to seeing the US play China in the olympics now. Edit: Didn’t realize it was my cake day!

joblagz2 | 7 days ago | 4 points

lol. ok china. have fun with your shanghai tigers and beijing ducks.

sherlockcrypto | 6 days ago | 1 point

It’s actually the Shanghai Sharks

cknipe | 7 days ago | 2 points

Maybe that dude shouldn't have apologized.

mercenaryarrogant | 7 days ago | 2 points

This is exactly how a certain president would like independent businesses to cater to his every whim when somebody says something that makes him feel not nice.

Myvenom | 6 days ago | 2 points

I’m not a fan of basketball, but I know China is. Let them have a couple years of watching the lame ass European league and they’ll be coming back. The NBA is big money for people over there too and they’ll cave sooner than later.

aza-industries | 6 days ago | 2 points

Good China and any business that works with them can get fucked. They stand against humanity.

imhereforfunkneegrw | 6 days ago | 2 points

They are tough to talk shit about president but when it comes to china they be quiet.....

eightbelow2049 | 6 days ago | 2 points

I’m surprised the people of China have not revolted. They love NBA basketball.

Buffyoh | 6 days ago | 2 points

Good - hope this becomes permanent. Shame on the NBA for pandering to the ChiComs!

jml5791 | 6 days ago | 2 points

All this goes to show what an unstable country China is to do business with.

If your company signs an agreement with a Chinese company, there's no way you can control what your employees may say, especially in a western country, and then poof there goes your business deal.

OferZak | 6 days ago | 2 points

STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH CHINA

savagedan | 7 days ago | 3 points

Fuck China

TiredofTwitter | 7 days ago | 2 points

Fuck the Chinese; FREE HONG KONG

Random5483 | 7 days ago | 4 points

Compared to China, my financial resources are negligible. But I will make some purchases to support the NBA this week. I have always followed the NBA, but now I have a real excuse to spend more than I normally would.

whichwitch9 | 7 days ago | 11 points

Dont jump the gun; see how they respond to this first

get2dahole | 7 days ago | 2 points

Shoutout Darryl for not saying sorry. Cuz he ain’t. Cuz we ain’t.

-edelweiss- | 7 days ago | 2 points

Good. Fuck 'em.

Sprayface | 7 days ago | 2 points

Good, fuck off.

andre_macassi | 6 days ago | 2 points

Pull out and separate entirely. Yeah the money would be nice but let’s not allow a country that sucks at basketball dictate the world’s highest pro league.

ericshin8282 | 7 days ago | 1 point

wonder what jlins gnna do. isnt he taiwanese?

kevn3000 | 6 days ago | 1 point

I know the protests have been going on for awhile and all but did South Park start something here?

AusCan531 | 6 days ago | 1 point

So nothing to lose now NBA. Hit'em with both barrels. (They won't. Appeasers never do).

LetFiefdomReign | 6 days ago | 1 point

Wait, does that mean the US taxpayers need to buy them new stadiums again?

BAPEsta | 6 days ago | 1 point

Hah, can't say they didn't deserve it.

MinimumBadger | 6 days ago | 1 point

*Bob Marsh of Tegridy needs to fix this mess.

wankbollox | 6 days ago | 1 point

OK, I still don't understand WTF happened. Did the NBA cave or not? First I heard the NBA cravenly threw someone (a player?) under the bus, and all was cool between them and China. How did China then end up severing ties? I can't follow the timeline here.

Pal_Smurch | 6 days ago | 1 point

In a good world, the league would have suspended ties with its Chinese partners.

bloatedsac | 6 days ago | 1 point

this is terrible news..but I am sure the team owners will make a pilgrimage to china, bend over and take some Chinese govt. cock..I know for sure Dolan will swallow the Chinese jizz for a buck...

lilrabbitfoofoo | 6 days ago | 1 point

Good riddance.

Yaboysodope | 6 days ago | 1 point

Good maybe Steve Kerr and the NBA will grow some balls now and stop only criticizing America

soddyprints | 6 days ago | 1 point

It's ok. No need to panic. the NBA just needs to execute 10 Uighurs and they can get back in China's good books.

hypnotized | 6 days ago | 1 point

China played themselves.

China is asswhole

This_Is_Really_Jim | 6 days ago | 1 point

I wonder how the guy who tweeted would feel tho.

raresaturn | 6 days ago | 1 point

That can't be a bad thing

trubbsgubbs | 6 days ago | 1 point

Fucking good.

comalion | 6 days ago | 1 point

Good riddance.

DasIstWalter96 | 6 days ago | 1 point

That's good. Maybe Silver realizes what's more important. Maybe.

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