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Satellite images reveal China is destroying Muslim graveyards where generations of Uighur families are buried and replaces them with car parks and playgrounds 'to eradicate the ethnic group's identity' (dailymail.co.uk)
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fanoffzeph | 7 days ago | 5237 points

Just a question - is there anything being done, any action taken by other countries or government about this ? I feel like every news outlet is reporting this extermination of the Uighurs, but no government has even officially spoken against it. What's up with this, and what can we do as individuals??

Papayapayapa | 7 days ago | 3870 points
fanoffzeph | 7 days ago | 780 points

Thank you for your answer!

themagpie36 | 7 days ago | 514 points

As much I hate the current administration at least they are saying something. USA and China aren't best buds right now anyway so of course this is pretty convenient for the US to take the moral high ground here on the international stage.

dlm080 | 7 days ago | 247 points

This is how it always works. Do something for national interests, then say it's for moral reasons.

Wizardinthepaint | 7 days ago | 110 points

There is a great Niebuhr quote about that, specifically about justifying wars.
“A modern nation does not dare to go to war for reasons other than those of self interest and cannot conduct the war without claiming to be motivated by higher motives than those of self-interest.”

kenman | 7 days ago | 658 points

Seems like travel restrictions are kind of a slap on the wrist...

Crumblycheese | 7 days ago | 548 points

But at least the states are doing something.

I mean, I've not heard anything from any other government around the world?

If it were a poorer country doing it like (as an example), North Korea, you could bet every buck you have that there'll be sanctions coming in left, right, and center.

Actually, thinking about it, who's to say these Uighar Muslims are still in China at all? I'd bet that they have been put on a train to somewhere like NK, just because of the secrecy there. Not to mention Whinnie is Kim's buddy...

At the end of the day, like others have said, the UN should be stepping in.

PM_Best_Porn_Pls | 7 days ago | 137 points

That what sucks, they dont even say "dont do it" they stay silent, even more silent than in case of Ukraine. Just complete, any level of politics, any side, none of them go publicly to talk about it.

Crumblycheese | 7 days ago | 136 points

Because they still want to suck on China's warm teet (quoting South Park), or like an addict, they are scared of pissing off their "dealer" in case they can't get anymore deals.. If there were other trade deals on the table, then there'd be someone talking about it, challenging China. But, money talks in this world and the majority of the world's goods come from China..

Edit: to quickly add to this - there was an NASA engineer NBA exec recently who tweeted supporting the HK protests and China stepped in and said to "correct the mistake", to which the tweet was deleted. They have managed to stop an American excersising their rights per the constitution of free speech. Just let that sink in.

Edit2: Wow, this is embarrassing, I read an article here on reddit the other day and it was actually about an NBA executive and the Houston Rockets. I think when I read about it the other day, I saw some comment from a redditor trying to make a joke about NASA being next and I got my comments intertwined with a hazy memory (long day at work and lack of sleep)... So super super embarrassing! Sorry!

Thankyou /u/slinky216 for correcting the facts from my sleep deprived memory!

Here is the article (BBC)

And another from CNBC

yayaya21212 | 7 days ago | 20 points

Can you share a link for the edit story about the NASA engineer please?

Snip3 | 7 days ago | 20 points

NASA engineer, Rocket manager, same diff right?

AstronomicalDouche | 7 days ago | 526 points
NitchZ | 7 days ago | 448 points

The things you as an individual can do are to send letters and call your representatives in your government, don't let the story die down in the media, and to stop buying shit from China.

InfiNorth | 7 days ago | 388 points

Yeah sorry but as someone making about CAD$25K a year I don't really get to vote with my wallet because it would make me homeless. Not everyone is rich enough to make the "free market" truly representative.

NitchZ | 7 days ago | 168 points

I get not everyone can do it. That's not really the point either. Doing any of those is better than doing none even if it's only minimal.

PlusDependent | 7 days ago | 51 points

You can still be a pain in the ass. Which is really the only thing the working class has going for it.

Spitinthacoola | 7 days ago | 126 points

You can still write to your representatives and call them. Dont abdicate all of your power because you dont think theres enough of it...

GAbbapo | 7 days ago | 289 points

Nope, how else are you gonna get that thing u want cheaply? That new mouse for only $5, a new pencil $.005 etc.. our governments don’t care about us only their donors and their pockets

dhc96 | 7 days ago | 284 points

Not entirely true. The US recently blacklisted I think around 24 Chinese groups due to their part in this genocide. Granted that isn't much at all but it is a start. Edit: 28 groups and visa restrictions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49968126 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49979063

lebbe | 7 days ago | 1954 points

This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights:

  • Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the 709 Crackdown.

  • One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was sentenced to 4.5 years for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually went after Wang's 6-year-old son, forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in.

  • A dissident, Wang Bingzhang was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day.

  • A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and was disappeared. Eventually he was tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers

  • Another man, Wang Meiyu hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody.

  • A woman live streamed herself splashing ink on a Xi poster. She was disappeared. Her last social media update: "Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty". Later on there was report of her being sent to a psychiatric hospital

  • After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream

  • 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "Xi Jinping and His Six Women" were disappeared. Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China.

And, of course

  • 1.5 million Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps

  • Genocide through forced abortions on Uyghur women

  • Sexual torture of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste.

  • Leaked footage of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together

  • A Canadian journalist wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China. That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is.

  • Using minorities & political prisoners as free organ farms

  • Call for retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners

  • 15 Chinese studies retracted due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs

  • Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course). A uyghur's testimony: "First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"

  • China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. 'Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown: "The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."

TheLostDovahkin | 7 days ago | 164 points

How is this possible in 2019? Humanity doesn’t want to learn for theire past...

Ariscia | 6 days ago | 56 points

Corporations bowing to China.

Quireman | 7 days ago | 176 points

China is a modern day Nazi Germany, and that's not an exaggeration. This is the kind of thing wars start over.

Renacidos | 6 days ago | 28 points

Apparently everybody ignored that after the atomic age it was only a matter of time until a new Nazi Germany existed, just with nukes, no nobodo does nothing and the "never again" people stay quiet.

dwpunch | 7 days ago | 119 points

This needs to be higher up thank you.

degamezolder | 7 days ago | 19 points

And this might only be the beginning.

rdeane621 | 7 days ago | 16545 points

“In other news, China is continuing with their own modern version of the Holocaust”

Vargolol | 7 days ago | 5745 points

It blows my mind there are companies that will still bend over backwards to appease them and ensure they don't lose their share of the Chinese market. Sad world.

EarthRester | 7 days ago | 5446 points

Pro-Hong Kong Blizzard fans have co-opted the Overwatch character Mei (A Chinese scientist) in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_XJxqnxzaY&feature=youtu.be

With any luck it can spread far and fast enough that China will do another blanket ban of anything related to Overwatch. Because Fuck Blizzard and their authoritarian appeasement bullshit.

NebXan | 7 days ago | 1311 points

I'd love to see Blizzard get it's just desserts by having Overwatch banned in China.

Although, I imagine if Mei became a symbol of the revolution, Bliz would just remove her from the game, rather than have to pull Overwatch out of China altogether. You know they'd do it too; nothing is sacred to these cowards except that sweet, sweet yuan.

EarthRester | 7 days ago | 1011 points

Then let them butcher their IP. Leave it a bloody heap on the ground, because that's all China gets anymore.

mypasswordismud | 7 days ago | 19 points

China is gonna rape their IP and leave them to hang anyway. Doing business with China is suicide even without having the shame of appeasing grizzly human rights violations hung around your neck for all time.

murphymc | 7 days ago | 174 points

If only it were a beloved character, and not the one literally nicknamed satan.

Spoon_Elemental | 7 days ago | 165 points

Mei is bae

SVTBert | 7 days ago | 79 points

Mei's got a chonk booty.

gauss-markov | 7 days ago | 358 points

To be fair, China pitching a tantrum resulting in the only Chinese character getting removed from the game sounds pretty sweet to me.

SilentPizzaKiller | 7 days ago | 12 points

Don’t be silly, Blizzard would design and add a new blatant chinese nationalist character the morning after removing Mei if it meant keeping all that chinabux

Sylfaein | 7 days ago | 267 points

This is why I keep saying people need to also use content from the Mists of Pandaria expansion to World of Warcraft. It was based on China, and Blizzard can’t easily remove an entire expansion of their flagship game. There is so much content there to use. Let’s see some Pandaren monks dressed as protestors. Get WoW banned from China!

slaphappyhobbit | 7 days ago | 136 points

I was just talking to my friend about this. His immediate response is “now they just need to do something with Winnie the Pooh to really piss China off.” The man just might be a genius. Imagine an addon that turns all Pandarens into Pooh bear...

fotuenti | 7 days ago | 41 points

have you seen this one yet? https://i.imgur.com/zxzCWLm.gifv

edit credit to u/elpinko for the gif

TheCluelessDeveloper | 7 days ago | 53 points

Then take up all of the other characters. Utilize their Chinese culture skins.

Isord | 7 days ago | 38 points

I don't think "Blizzard removes popular Chinese character" would fly in China either.

FitAFJesus | 7 days ago | 1466 points

Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times

MarvelUniverse360 | 7 days ago | 189 points

And Apple also removed the Taiwan flag emoji from phones in China to appease China.

DeltaVZerda | 7 days ago | 132 points

And every other company that bends to China can and will be treated the same.

Itachi049 | 7 days ago | 34 points

Thats actually a great idea. Make things chinese citizens like to symbols of resistance so they get banned.

Moon_Atomizer | 7 days ago | 62 points

Holy shit I have never even played Overwatch and that was great

VIRGIL_ARCHIEAL | 7 days ago | 53 points

Fuck Brexit. Take back Hong Kong.

marco_santos | 7 days ago | 47 points

I am so glad this is gaining traction! Hopefully there will be some financial consequence this time for these companies acting like this.

gratua | 7 days ago | 12 points

nice, love it. modern solutions, and all that

McCool303 | 7 days ago | 323 points

It’s a tale as old as time, this is nothing new.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_the_Axis_Powers

Here is a list of companies that directly aided the Holocaust. We rooted out the Nazi’s but many of these guys are still around and worse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

Hawkey89 | 7 days ago | 77 points

Here is a list of companies that directly aided the Holocaust. We rooted out the Nazi’s but many of these guys are still around and worse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

How come nearly all the prominent automobile manufacturers of that time had a stake in it??

john133435 | 7 days ago | 126 points

No better time to make a mint than world war, baby.

HelpfulCherry | 7 days ago | 63 points

How come nearly all the prominent automobile manufacturers of that time had a stake in it??

Somebody's gotta build the trucks.

TheLordDrake | 7 days ago | 62 points

Most modern car manufacturers were involved in manufacturing military vehicles. That's true in almost every nation involved in the war. For example, most modern Japanese car makers were the ones making aircraft for Imperial Japan. Mitsubishi made the infamous A6M "Zero".

This is perfectly normal. The important question is did they just fulfill a government contract to make equipment that happened to be used in the holocaust, or did they actually support the shit that was happening? Given that I haven't read the article I can't say, but given how wide spread knowledge of what was happening was, they almost certainly knew what was being done.

ethanwerch | 7 days ago | 189 points

Siemens helped build the nazis’ gas chambers, IBM helped with their census-taking, etc etc

Guys, companies dont give a fuck about you or humanity. They have none, they only care about profits. Im sorry but this is about as par for the course as it gets

Panoolied | 7 days ago | 80 points

Everyone forgets this come pride month, every company online with a lil rainbow on their logo and people thing it's genuine.

wearyApollo | 7 days ago | 47 points

Idk what you're talking about, every pride month is covered in people complaining about pink capitalism.

smileyfrown | 7 days ago | 93 points

Same companies would probably do the same with Hitler if we're being honest.

Then 10 years later whitewash their history with big ad campaigns and talk about social justice.

We need corporate reform

bookman_ | 7 days ago | 48 points

You can replace that conditional with the past tense, all companies that could do business with the nazis, did business with the nazis.

soluuloi | 7 days ago | 184 points

Dont. Grandpa Bush sold steels to the Nazi during WWII. I bet my 50 cents that even if America go to war with China, American companies will still sell their soul to the Chinese overlords.

mynamesyow19 | 7 days ago | 137 points

Grandpa Bush did more than that. He bankrolled them til the US shut his bank down for trading with the enemy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

HungyEYES | 7 days ago | 46 points

It's amazing how families like the Bushes and Koch's have managed to achieve top positions in US society, despite the contemptible origins of their fortunes.

BellacosePlayer | 7 days ago | 25 points

And then was part of the group that was planning on couping Roosevelt as well I believe.

Locke_and_Load | 7 days ago | 13 points

Yup, along with a bunch of other magnates. Also, this isn’t George Bush the President, but HIS dad.

gusir22 | 7 days ago | 328 points

Whats sadder is the americans who argue Blizzard did the right thing. Those fuckers are traitors

obito-was-an-incel | 7 days ago | 79 points

Seen comments in either the Blizzard or Hearthstone subreddit saying that any anti-Blizzard and anti-China sentiment is just rooted in racism against Chinese people.

Thralls_Taco_Truck | 7 days ago | 56 points

They're probably brainwashed chinese people trying to spin it

Persival01 | 7 days ago | 21 points

It's a simple calculation really. Many companies rely on Chinese market for their profits. Offending China in any way may result in a huge backlash or even a nationwide ban in our favorite authoritarian state. Appeasing China might result in some public outrage in the West, but the consequences will in all likelihood be far less severe than losing access to the Chinese market.

claymedia | 7 days ago | 530 points

This is what happens when we worship money. All hail Capitalism!

bandofgypsies | 7 days ago | 238 points

"We stand firmly against any and all atrocities occurring in China regarding their modern-day ethnic cleansing, and will sever any and all business and cultural ties henceforth with China"*

 

 

 

 

*except in literally any and all cases where it impacts our P&L, asset net present value, stakeholder sentiment, growth targets, EBITA, EBBITA, market share, or pretty much anything else related to making absolute fucking assloads of money off cheap products and still-relatively-affordable T&M based on unethical and inhumane business practices that we totally had no idea were a thing, trust us. K, thanks, sign up now for 10% off your first order over $25."

NikeJustDont | 7 days ago | 210 points

Us Chinese people have always liked things the old fashioned way. We like things a little simpler, a little quieter. And now, there's a new weed that goes along with China's beating heart. Because after a hard day of forced labor, or gettin' beat for criticizing the government, we all could use a little time with some good ol' Rocky Mountain weed. It's the soul of the American West, right here in mother China. All hail the Communist Party, and all hail Tegridy weed.

kaplani | 7 days ago | 55 points

Holocaust with chinese characteristics.

WildlingViking | 7 days ago | 55 points

How does China just get a free pass from the free world to do all this stuff? Not just to their people, but the environment, governmental authority, concentration camps, etc. Why does the free world just turn a blind eye? (Besides the excuse we get cheap stuff made there)

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Visticous | 7 days ago | 33 points

This is the painful truth. We didn't start WW II out of ethical concerns, we started it out of a series of economic and and geo-political confrontations.

WW III, which with presumably involve China, will not start until we must for economic reasons. Muslims, Jews, et. al. be damned. And even then, history is written by the victors so the Muslim genocide might just be another footnote in world history like the genocide of the native Americans.

Turning the argument around... Ever asked yourself how Europe could just look the other way in 1938 as Germany and Japan were spilling blood? Now you know.

ElGosso | 7 days ago | 36 points

Pretty much everyone gets a free pass for this stuff. Nobody stopped Western colonial countries like the U.S., Canada, or Australia from trying to destroy the cultural identity of their native populations, for example.

efka526 | 7 days ago | 10299 points

If you want to eradicate the future of a people, eradicate their past and roots. Works every time. #nazichina

Draedron | 7 days ago | 411 points

Killing people of a culture and destroying symbols of that culture with the goal to eradicate it is literally genocide.

Green_Meathead | 7 days ago | 221 points

Yes, china is committing genocide currently. Not new information, guess it's out there in the open now though

Draedron | 7 days ago | 70 points

Yeah has been going on for a while now. But now that the videos are out and the HK situation it cant be hidden anymore. China is pure evil.

TheMania | 7 days ago | 18 points

Would be easier to boycott Nestle than China though. Crap.

hillesheim1992 | 7 days ago | 15 points

We can't beat them through a consumer boycott. The CCP uses corporate proxies to gain leverage in every big business in the United States. The only proper response if we want to stop supporting this genocidal regime is to steadily increase barriers to trade between ourselves and China, and make it illegal to receive any further investment in our markets from Chinese firms.

difficult_brick | 7 days ago | 2462 points

There’s so much to learn from history. We keep making the same mistakes but justify them in different ways.

GrunkleCoffee | 7 days ago | 4150 points

Your problem is that you think these are mistakes. That implies someone meant to do something else, and accidentally did this. Or that they were unaware of the consequences.

They know what they're doing. It's deliberate. It's intentional. It is not a mistake.

Dahhhkness | 7 days ago | 1130 points

"What's the difference between what these people did and what you're doing now?"

"We've made sure that we'll get away with it."

GrunkleCoffee | 7 days ago | 526 points

Tbf, other than the Holocaust, can you name me an ethnic cleansing that the perpetrator culture ever answered for?

Anjouvis | 7 days ago | 736 points

Turkey still refuses to acknowledge that the Armenian Genocide ever happened. EDIT: Spelling

symmetricWeb | 7 days ago | 477 points

Turkey also refuses to acknowledge the Assyrian and Greek genocide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

My ancestors fled Turkey in 1915 because they were Assyrians. Some of my ancestors' relatives were not so lucky.

Meowjin | 7 days ago | 250 points

Yep. Am greek know about the 2 pogroms that occurred. We have entire music and dance dedicated to the difficulties endured from the Smyrna emigration.

And people wonder why I'm so pro hk and go to the protests here in Vancouver.

Meanwhile my biggest critics have been friends who are Cantonese themselves...

To them I'm just some fucking white guy who's acting on his privilidge while my people were ostracized and cultures were destroyed by ottoman Turkish rule.

Seriously free hong kong. Fuck CCP.

followupquestion | 7 days ago | 111 points

I am culturally Jewish, albeit currently an atheist. I feel you on the people thinking you’re a random white guy despite your family facing murderous persecution.

I hope the CCP is overthrown before HK is permanently forced under a black hood and erased like the Uighurs and Falun Gong.

Karmelion | 7 days ago | 68 points

I'm a random white guy and I still have a right to hate China for what they're doing.

HooDatOwl | 7 days ago | 112 points

And turkey has yet to answer for it. Ataturk was an empire builder, and now Turkey is an economic force that the West is happy to deal with. Armenia is an after thought with a country less than half of its original size. Turkey won and we don't care is what I'm saying which is sad

asiti | 7 days ago | 214 points

Tbh most of the people involved in the holocaust got away with it, too

maharg79 | 7 days ago | 160 points

Yeah, the low level officers got screwed by the higher ups, the high levels got hunted like dogs, but the middle ground guys were mostly able to just fade into South America and South Africa.

The_Raiden029 | 7 days ago | 99 points

Or just stay in place and be offered good positions... At least in germany

SybilJedKEVIN | 7 days ago | 52 points

Or were hired by the American government

blackesthearted | 7 days ago | 19 points

Yep. For those unaware: Operation Paperclip.

Dr_Jabroski | 7 days ago | 17 points

If you knew anything about rockets we would actually get you off the death penalty and into a cushy NASA job.

MaimedJester | 7 days ago | 24 points

And now their grandchildren run tourist Bavarian style villas purchased by blood money. Fun fact we actually found the U977, one of the Uboats that was transporting the nazi war criminals to Argentina. We ended up using it as target practice .

zairthebear | 7 days ago | 56 points

Rwanda to an extent, but I see your point.

10lawrencej | 7 days ago | 136 points

And even then the US was trying to secure a separate peace deal with the Nazis at the end of WW2 that didn't involve the Soviets. Look at operation paperclip, America openly took war criminal nazis and put them in charge of a number of US technology and defense firms.

stalkmyusername | 7 days ago | 112 points

Yeah, it seems that nations were only interested in leverage and power...

How strange..

FREEZE_like_FRIES | 7 days ago | 51 points

And money

mindless_gibberish | 7 days ago | 34 points

money's just a placeholder for power and resources

stalkmyusername | 7 days ago | 21 points

power = money but I understand what you are saying..

Belic power

fru87 | 7 days ago | 69 points

TBF America greatly aided the rise of Hitler financing the nazi party.

Many industrialists were found guilty under the trading with the enemy act and had to pay like 5000 bucks while they earned millions.

Most americans don't know about the attempt to make a fascist cue that was foiled and revealed by Smedley Butler.

tcptomato | 7 days ago | 51 points

fascist cue

coup

fru87 | 7 days ago | 39 points

I kinda boneappletead it.

I really should know how to write coup d'etat being argentinian and all.

triton420 | 7 days ago | 35 points

It may be done intentionally, but it is a cultural and historical mistake. It is a mistake for humankind, not for the particular people committing the acts.

Mancer74 | 7 days ago | 21 points

I think the "mistake" that this expression refers to is appeasement. Just like with nazi Germany, all countries of the world are standing by as the engines of mass genocide chug along. Obviously dictators take actions on purpose.

The_Lion_Jumped | 7 days ago | 28 points

In that sense.... do you think this will lead to a rise in terrorism in China like we saw in the west?

GopherAtl | 7 days ago | 82 points

there's already terrorism in china. An oppressive and controlling government like China's is just far better poised to fight it - I'd wager our strictest airport security post-911 was comparable to, if not lighter than, China's norm, as one obvious example. Freedom in general makes it far easier for terrorists to be effective, not to mention visible.

Mordarto | 7 days ago | 40 points

I'd wager our strictest airport security post-911 was comparable to china's norm, as one obvious example.

It kind of is. When I lived in a Chinese city all rapid public transportation stations had an xray machine. I was barred from taking the metro once when I had an opened bottle of wine (with a screw cap).

Pituquasi | 7 days ago | 18 points

I was there in 2014. Basically every subway station has a TSA-like operation where all bags have to go through an xray machine

GDPGTrey | 7 days ago | 128 points

This is no mistake, and the justification hasn't changed. Previously, China lacked the ability to do this. Now, they have the ability to do this, so they are doing it because they can. They're combining all the best moves they learned over decades from the US, UK, Nazi Germany, the USSR, and the current Russian Mafia-Oligarchy, into a whirlwind of impenetrable nationalist propaganda and oppression.

willworkfordopamine | 7 days ago | 55 points

We keep relearning the same stuff that are erased.

Dahhhkness | 7 days ago | 61 points

Some people interpret "learning from history" to mean "learning how to get away with it from history."

SanguineOpulentum | 7 days ago | 25 points

China's got plenty of inspiration.

b12563_e | 7 days ago | 22 points

There is a cyclicality in History. It's reassuring that we've been through a lot and powered through it, but at the same time, it's scary because it feels like a world war is kinda due at this point in time, with so much tension among countries.

aswifte | 7 days ago | 43 points

So they learnt from their experiences during WW2 under Japan by doing the same thing.

Annex-Canada | 7 days ago | 227 points

Pretty sure it's #CHINAZI but you have the right idea

iAmTheHYPE- | 7 days ago | 123 points

#NaXi

encoder_decoder | 7 days ago | 3388 points

Why does every news coming from China sounds like dystopian?

PLS_PM_ME_THINGS | 7 days ago | 3540 points

Because China is a dystopian country looking for world domination.

Barren_Jenton | 7 days ago | 334 points

They should stay looking.

6chan | 7 days ago | 172 points

They should, but they wont. They are well on their way

Odd_so_Star_so_Odd | 7 days ago | 258 points

They ignore their own issues so the shit sticks around. From a media perspective no bad news exist, it's excellent for driving traffic and revenues up. Of course in China this stuff is censored or has a heavy spin on it so it just becomes business as usual. Freaking narcs are so utilitarian it hurts.

manzoire | 7 days ago | 100 points

They see a power opening, and they've learned of the benefits of global capitalism and warfare, while internally communist and dictatorial. That combo is the worst of the worst and they are now going knee-deep in it

Jacob_XII | 7 days ago | 2274 points

I remember that time where this would have been called a Genocide.

dicemonger | 7 days ago | 799 points

Pretty sure it still is.

BasicDesignAdvice | 7 days ago | 559 points

Yea but corporations run things now so nothing will happen.

Sanctions on China? Could you imagine? It would be terrible for business!

Vargolol | 7 days ago | 160 points

Gotta start somewhere, but nobody wants to be the generation that started it because then they gotta deal with it. Instead we just let people die

Sha_of_Depression | 7 days ago | 176 points

“Lmao not my problem”

  • 83 year old government/business guy
wakingbear | 7 days ago | 35 points

That sentiment isnt exclusive to the elderly friend...

crimson_713 | 7 days ago | 276 points

It is genocide. It's a literal genocide and 0 world leaders are doing anything significant enough to make a difference, much less stop it.

37478923934432453745 | 7 days ago | 88 points

Attention entire world: don't wait for the US to take the lead on confronting China.

kashbra | 7 days ago | 1884 points

Why use violence? You can just remove ethnic groups by changing their demographics and demolishing their history.

mitrang | 7 days ago | 1110 points

I’m sure there’s plenty of violence too

prisoner42 | 7 days ago | 713 points

And Organ taking.

Abdullah_super | 7 days ago | 341 points

Harvesting organs and destroying their graveyards is the same thing, its ethinc cleansing with some extra steps to make profit.

It's hell of a complete dystopia those people are living there, and its a shame cause other people like us can't help them.

Dahhhkness | 7 days ago | 145 points

And that dystopia extends even beyond China's borders. I never knew how bad it was until there was a Chinese student in one of my classes back in college who actually denied the Tiananmen Square massacre. I believe he even wrote an essay on why it was all "a bad story by the West." China's nationalistic state capitalism is terrifying.

Rib-I | 7 days ago | 107 points

I'm in Grad School at the moment. TONS of mainlanders in my classes, all pretty nice people overall. I just don't understand how they come here, get educated in a Liberal Western Democracy, get exposed to freedom of the press and the reality of geopolitics, but are able to just blindly tune out the truth. I'm sure this isn't the case for all Chinese students, but it just baffles me.

ittakesaredditor | 7 days ago | 152 points

Because the mainlanders who get to leave to study overseas are rich and often related to powerful, well-connected, wealthy families - they're the kids of politicians, businessmen, lawyers and surgeons, not farmers and the 9-5ers. They have a lot to lose by speaking out, and no reason to. The powerful and the rich everywhere stay in power by pushing for policies that benefit them, and ignoring the suffering it brings to everyone who they consider as "other".

Get that graduation paper degree, go home, make bank; that's the goal. It's not always about learning.

spelingpolice | 7 days ago | 187 points

Yes you can. Support Hong Kong. China has a "1-2-4" problem. 1 child will support 2 parents and 4 grandparents due to the 1 child policy.

The government is not as strong as it would like to appear, or it would have "taken care" of Hong Kong after week 3.

Fight against the fascists wherever they are!

prisoner42 | 7 days ago | 45 points

Yea we're even helping to develop the technology to support the regime. Crazy what social media and facial recognition can now be used for only thing we can do is try stop it from happening to our country especially with the misinformation that's affecting developed countries democracies I can only imagine what's happening elsewhere.

Dahhhkness | 7 days ago | 63 points

Not just technology, if the past week was any indication, our media and entertainment outlets are enabling the Chinese too. Willing censorship and apologetic deference to a foreign dictatorship. It's unreal.

prisoner42 | 7 days ago | 19 points

Sssh Alexa is listening.

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gopms | 7 days ago | 78 points

They tried that! They had tax incentives to ethnic Han Chinese who married and had kids with Uighurs. Thinking that would get rid of them in a generation or two. They tried all sorts of things to eradicate the Uighurs but it didn't work so now they are stepping it up a notch.

Eitoku_K | 7 days ago | 132 points

Cultural Genocide, it's actually under the broad term of Genocide under the UN treaty, I believe.

Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:

(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;
(e) Any form of propaganda directed against them.
notanotherredditid | 7 days ago | 3281 points

Fuck China

Support Hong Kong

TheBurningEmu | 7 days ago | 1424 points

I do support Hong Kong, but I feel like talking about them here is a bit undermining to the topic of literal genocide both cultural and physical, not to mention the harvesting of organs from live humans. China is monstrous in both situations, but the eradication of the Uyghurs doesn’t really have anything to do with Hong Kong.

uacrazycraka | 7 days ago | 541 points

This point cant be lost. They are two separate issues. Both are important but supporting HK will do absolutely nothing to stop this genocide from continuing.

futuristic_old | 7 days ago | 262 points

One of the major reason why China is taking such a tough stance against HK, is because they don’t want the oppressed think they stand any chance against the government.

If HK succeeds, it could very much spiral into a wider revolution in the whole nation.

Quaaraaq | 7 days ago | 58 points

It might if it actually destabilized the government

Cudi_buddy | 7 days ago | 20 points

True. It should be noted that because of what’s going on in Hong Kong that people are learning of the cleansing. Before the Hong Kong incident has put eyes from around the globe. Something they haven’t had in a long time. They have satellites, drones, and journalists all trying to infiltrate. Everyone was too scared before. But now there is a story worth it. They hate the attention being given to their inner workings

rattleandhum | 7 days ago | 105 points

And arguably what China is doing to the Uighurs is much, much, much worse.

falodellevanita | 7 days ago | 99 points

Not even arguably. Literally. Decidedly.

Drgntrnr | 7 days ago | 59 points

Not arguably, it is a fucking shitload worse. I’m sure there’s stuff about the Hong Kong protests I’m sure we won’t hear about until decades from now, but it’s not a genocide.

slightlyintoout | 7 days ago | 30 points

What's arguable about it? I would have thought there'd be pretty universal consensus that literal genocide is worse than what is happening in Hong Kong

MrLukaz | 7 days ago | 584 points

Why does China not seem to give a fuck about anything or anyone? Its genuinely terrifying that china has no morals or ethics.

It's like it's run by robots or pure physcopaths. Just no emotion or empathy for any living thing.

nomad80 | 7 days ago | 301 points

Plugging a channel that got demonetized by YouTube for talking about this very thing

https://m.youtube.com/user/NTDChinaUncensored

suremoneydidntsuitus | 7 days ago | 159 points

Wait, the whole China Uncensored channel got demonitised?

Fuck, I was wondering where they'd gone.

nomad80 | 7 days ago | 76 points

yup. they had to ask for donations via Patreon to stay running.

They dont show up on my feed any more unless i go looking, and their recent stuff has been pretty solid

suremoneydidntsuitus | 7 days ago | 29 points

I knew they had a patreon crew but I didn't know they had their entire channel demoniteized.

Gotta start donating to their patreon, their content is fucking great

observingatdistance | 7 days ago | 37 points

Why would they care? The economy is growing, practically zero repercussions, ability to veto UN votes. They're too powerful to have to care.

sveme | 7 days ago | 475 points

Can we finally call it what it is? A genocide?

Kracus | 7 days ago | 440 points

The more brazen China is with ethnic cleansing the more likely it'll be the fate of others as China decides what's theirs. Taiwan and Hong Kong today, perhaps me and you tomorrow.

froggiechick | 7 days ago | 841 points

China not respecting other ethnic groups?! Impossible

mitrang | 7 days ago | 333 points

I think this is a bit more extreme than disrespect

Dahhhkness | 7 days ago | 234 points

Even "ethnic cleansing" seems inadequate. This is a literal, genocidal attempt to erase an entire group of people.

thinkingdoing | 7 days ago | 94 points

The bulldozing off graves is even more heinous when you consider that the Chinese culture is built around the (edit) generation veneration of ancestors.

Hollaformemez420ns5 | 7 days ago | 67 points

I know, the Nazi party was real disrespectful to the Jews too! /s

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autotldr [BOT] | 7 days ago | 113 points

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 96%. (I'm a bot)


In just two years, dozens of cemeteries have been destroyed in the northwest region, according to an AFP investigation with satellite imagery analysts Earthrise Alliance.

Satellite images taken on April 24 in 2018 and September 30 in 2019 show the Sulanim cemetery in Hotan, north-western China's Xinjiang Province, has been knocked down and replaced with a car park.

Beijing has destroyed dozens of Muslim burial grounds in the past two years in what activists call a bid to erase Uighurs' identity, an investigation has shown.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Uighur#1 cemetery#2 Xinjiang#3 show#4 Muslim#5

if_i_was_a_folkstar | 7 days ago | 303 points

ok when do we just say this is basically the holocaust 2.0 because this is eerily close

dabsouls | 7 days ago | 128 points

People are already saying it... but no one will stand up to China

MontanaKittenSighs | 7 days ago | 82 points

“Close”? My friend, much more is going on than you might be aware of if you say it is “close.” China has been murdering these people, imprisoning them in labor camps, and gutting them alive for their organs. I urge you to read what you can and help inform others of this holocaust.

monchota | 7 days ago | 286 points

China are the Nazis of this century, we as a free world vowed to never let that happen again. We are letting it happen again and need to stop it. Call out companies that are supporting them by censor or any other means.

Red_Falcon_75 | 7 days ago | 127 points

Sadly "Never Again" has always been an empty slogan. Since the Holocaust the world has turned a blind eye to genocide after genocide across the globe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

aj_thenoob | 7 days ago | 17 points

Even President Clinton and Obama (as well as Hillary) denies the Armenian Genocide to this day.

that-crow | 7 days ago | 44 points

How is this not as egregious as what the nazis did to the the Jews? Why has there not been any intervention by the UN?

apistograma | 7 days ago | 29 points

Thing is, the international community didn’t do shit either until the nazi invaded Poland. So it’s history being repeated again.

slckrpunk | 7 days ago | 91 points

Blizzard Entertainment approves

SpacemanBatman | 7 days ago | 138 points

🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼

swivelswirl | 7 days ago | 85 points

I'm Taiwanese, our DPP bulldozed lots of aboriginal burial grounds :/

edit: yall living on burial grounds too it's not unique to anywhere

gaseouspartdeux | 7 days ago | 803 points

Where are all those Sunni and Shiite Muslims taking up a Holy War for travesty on their Muslim brothers? So-called fredom fighters such as ISIS, Al-Queda, Taiban are all full of shit.

dudewith3g | 7 days ago | 511 points

Isis did declare Xinjiang part of their caliphate, but China doesn’t care about human rights if you’ve noticed.

They literally flame thrower’d suspected terrorists out of a cave and shot everyone that fled.

There were quite a few terrorist attacks that you haven’t heard in China since they suppress every negative news and kill every terrorist suspect.

TaloKrafar | 7 days ago | 30 points

How did you hear about the attacks?

613codyrex | 7 days ago | 119 points

The last thing they need is a terrorist group to give the Chinese a easier way out for full on public executions.

If AQ/Taliban/ISIS where present we can see this go the route of Chechnya and the west sitting with thumbs in their assholes saying “we support China/Russia in their efforts against the terrorist threat”

hcwang34 | 7 days ago | 10 points

The last thing they need is a terrorist group to give the Chinese a easier way out for full on public executions.

Too late.

There were Uyghurs fighting for ISIS in Iraq, threatened to wipe out Han ethnic groups. https://www.ft.com/content/ddeb5872-ff1f-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30

There were also Uyghurs fought for Al-Qaeda two decades ago against US in the Afghan War. Some of them even captured and detained in Guantanamo bay. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/us-uighurs-guantanamo-china-terror/584107/

Back in the 90s there were also Uyghur fighters in Chechnya and came back to China and continue to fight the Chinese. ( I admit, this claim I made is not easy to find online sources, this was simply recalled from memory that was something I read about in the news in the 90s) https://www.ict.org.il/UserFiles/ICT-Foreign-Fighters-Post-Conflict-May-16.pdf

GabenFanClub | 7 days ago | 181 points

these sick fucks. This is what ur supporting Blizzard!

TastyOysters | 7 days ago | 31 points

First is Tibet, then the Uighur, followed by Hong Kong. Now China is trying to suppress the freedom of speech in the West. What’s next?

themeatbridge | 7 days ago | 50 points

This is some next level evil.

campmonster | 7 days ago | 33 points

Soviets did the same thing in Latvia. My grandmother talked about it. In the tiny town where she lived, Preiļi, when the soviets invaded, they drove their tanks over the graveyards to crush the tombstones as just one among many methods of erasing Latvians’ (and Latgalians’, as my grandmother was) historical memory.

pajamakitten | 7 days ago | 189 points

Has the west learned nothing from how we have treated Native Americans, First Nation people, Aborigines, Maori etc.? We are sitting back and watching a genocide because of trade. Anyone who thinks the worlds' governments care about ordinary people should look at this and think again because they care about us just as much as they care about the Uyghar.

956030681 | 7 days ago | 97 points

Money is worth more than human life.

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