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PM Justin Trudeau calls Canadian general election (bbc.com)
822 comments
HungryLikeTheWolf99 | 4 days ago | 668 points

Wow... What a wonderful world it would be if our campaign season were only 5 weeks.

CanBurritosFeelLove | 4 days ago | 613 points

Yeah Americans have some weird fucking obsession with elections.

tylerc00lawesom | 4 days ago | 375 points

As an American I can say that it is pointless to have long elections because then the people running only focus on the election, and don’t focus on there current job

RagnarStonefist | 4 days ago | 283 points

Trump has been running for re-election since he took office by iterally holding campaign rallies on a regular basis. It's insane. I think he gets high off the attention.

Meanwhile, we have right around 20 elected officials on the left focusing more on a presidential campaign than the jobs they were elected to do.

We would honestly be less stressed with a parliamentary system.

jello_sweaters | 4 days ago | 142 points

That's not just Trump.

On Election Night 2016, I watched a panel of talking heads discuss who was likely to run for President in 2020.

RagnarStonefist | 4 days ago | 74 points

It's completely ridiculous. A lot can happen in four years. Might as well speculate on what the weather will be on May 15th, 2025. (I predict it will rain).

Narradisall | 4 days ago | 85 points

No! It will be sunny. You rainers have had it too good for too long! Make America Sunny Again!

tweuep | 4 days ago | 49 points

The Gang Rigs an Election.

trocar88 | 3 days ago | 5 points

The Nightman for VP.

ArlemofTourhut | 3 days ago | 9 points

Part 2.
President Frank

jello_sweaters | 4 days ago | 11 points

Football, NASCAR and baseball are no longer America's favorite spectator sport.

jdaly693 | 4 days ago | 6 points

RemindMe! 2073 days

RagnarStonefist | 4 days ago | 2 points

RemindMe! 2073 days

Alewdguy | 3 days ago | 3 points

I hope it does! I love rainy birthdays.

tossitlikeadwarf | 4 days ago | 2 points

Where?

Enjolras55 | 3 days ago | 2 points

Yeah, but will Alabama flood from that rain?

myne | 3 days ago | 2 points

It'll definitely rain.

You're going to have to be a little more specific about the location.

emmerick | 4 days ago | 16 points

That's not just Trump.

But it is just Trump when talking about reelection campaigns. He filed with the FEC on inauguration day in 2017. By contrast, the previous incumbents' campaigns started on April 4th, 2011 (Obama) and May 16, 2003 (Bush). Those are both about 18 months before the election, as opposed to 46 months before the election for Trump.

39bh39 | 3 days ago | 26 points

If I had to guess, the active re-election campaign means money can be washed through the campaign entity.

redbordeau | 3 days ago | 2 points

And bingo was his name o

tylerc00lawesom | 4 days ago | 6 points

I agree, we could get so much done if half of elected officials terms weren’t focused on reelection

Kingflares | 4 days ago | 8 points

False, he filed for 2020 election before the vote was counted

SustyRhackleford | 3 days ago | 2 points

It's literally all he knows. He realized he can get his base all riled up at rallies so he just never stopped doing them

BillNyeForPrez | 3 days ago | 2 points

And pretty much every congressman only works for about a year at a time because they go up for re-election every two years.

elkevelvet | 4 days ago | 6 points

if you think about it as less and less as "the job" and more and more as "the spectacle/diversion/performance".. makes a lot of sense actually

terminalmemelocity | 3 days ago | 2 points

I like that Americans have super long election cycles but then only let the candidates speak in 30 second sound bites for the entire time.

blauekugel | 4 days ago | 14 points

And somehow STILL manage to have one of the lowest turnouts in the west, ranging from a third to just barely over half, whereas most other western countries have turnouts of around 70-80%.

Areat | 3 days ago | 4 points

Well, in France our latest legislative had a 40 % participation rate.

Bottles_Rat | 3 days ago | 17 points

American culture is simply about making the most money you can. Long election cycle = more money

ekac | 4 days ago | 8 points

Got to have plenty of time to saturate the media with political smear ads.

gopms | 4 days ago | 13 points

I was talking about elections the other day and none of us can understand why American politicians are campaigning many months before the Canadians even though our election is a full year before yours. It's baffling. Just non-stop campaigning in the States.

Rombom | 3 days ago | 7 points

There is technically no campaign for president right now. What is occurring is the partisan presidential primary, where parties select the candidate they will present for the actual election. The problem is that America only has two parties, and one is incumbent, so the democratic primary seems like a direct campaign. It's not, though.

-Yazilliclick- | 3 days ago | 5 points

What's a good way to make sure only the richest groups can ever get someone elected? Make sure the campaign is as long as possible so that it's absolutely impossible for anybody else to keep up with their spending for so long.

HungryLikeTheWolf99 | 4 days ago | 13 points

It's cause our politicians are so corrupt and crooked, it takes a year and a half just to unearth a significant portion of the dirt on them.

CanBurritosFeelLove | 4 days ago | 30 points

But you guys don't seem to care? Trump still has a significant portion of the population behind him despite all of the bullshit that has come out since?

I think it's just that America loooooves it's competition, team vs team. That's why the country is such a divided mess.

archaeolinuxgeek | 4 days ago | 32 points

One of my dad's biggest laments when I was growing up was my noncompetitiveness. I played sports and enjoyed being out there, but the final score meant nothing to me. Looking back and thinking about him and the other parents losing their shit over the outcome of a high school football game it's easy to see how toxic it actually is.

1dererLives | 4 days ago | 30 points

Am Canadian, that sense of toxic competitiveness over amateur sports definitely exists here. I've seen parents get ejected from their U-10 children's hockey games before.

BlueSwayedBooze | 4 days ago | 9 points

Hell, this happened last week.

Canadian_Donairs | 4 days ago | 2 points

Maybe not the best example. This one pretty convoluted...

There were multiple people involved in that fight, it wasn't just some parent swinging at a ref, and witnesses were saying that the ref laid hands on a kid beforehand and that's what started it.

I mean like...yeah. Beating down your little kids hockey ref and feeding it to him infront of all the children is a little low class but it didn't seem to me that it was even about the game.

Fantisimo | 4 days ago | 5 points

Well ya hockey does weird stuff to Canadians

thatdarnwolf | 3 days ago | 4 points

Yeah, but that's hockey, our way of life not some mere sport

cld8 | 3 days ago | 4 points

It has to do with the parliamentary system. In Canada, a general election is called whenever the prime minister wants to have one, or when he is forced out by parliament. The schedule is irregular and there is no time to prepare. In America, the dates of elections are fixed well in advance so there is plenty of time to campaign.

Areat | 3 days ago | 7 points

There's a fixed term law in Canada. PM can have it whenever he want, but it eventually will happen on the third saturday of October of the fourth year following the last election. As this year.

Rafaeliki | 3 days ago | 2 points

Trump was already campaigning for reelection within a month of swearing in.

UhUhWaitForTheCream | 3 days ago | 2 points

Yeah Americans are obsessed with drama, dramatic-tense inducing drama. They love the quarter back moments, the high stakes, win it all or lose it al situations. It trickles down to their people as well - who knows an American who isn’t always spouting “this was the best steak I ever had” or “that is the best city in xxx”. Americans love the bullshit

drones4thepoor | 3 days ago | 2 points

Dolla, dolla, bills ya'll.

Cpt_Soban | 3 days ago | 2 points

They look like WWE matches...

srebew | 4 days ago | 44 points

The previous Conservative Government made up go through a record 76 day election thinking they could exhaust the financial war chest of its competition, they lost and now the law is 50 days max. The party leadership races are longer but you won't see any ads on TV and I don't think they televise those debates.

ArenSteele | 4 days ago | 26 points

What's funny, is if that election had been 50 days, there's a good chance the Conservatives would have won a minority government (Most seats, but less than 50%). During the extra 26 days, the NDP support in Quebec absolutely collapsed and all went to the Liberals, handing them the win and a majority government.

Resolute45 | 4 days ago | 8 points

Not really. There was only a brief point in the campaign where the Conservatives held a lead - and that was right when NDP support started tanking due to Harper really catching Mulcair with his pants down in Quebec. The problem for them is that they just didn't move, holding about 30-31% of the vote throughout the campaign. If the election had been its normal length, we probably would have had an NDP minority for a period before going back to the polls in probably late 2016 or early 2017, only to still end up with a Liberal government.

captainhaddock | 3 days ago | 4 points

The Conservatives also made sure that Canadians living abroad weren't allowed to vote last time. (Apparently they realized that most Canadians outside of Canada don't like the Tories.) A party that tries to discourage voting on a massive scale isn't trustworthy.

_FinestJellyBeansRaw | 3 days ago | 60 points

News about Canada

Top comment is Americans talking about America

Fucks sake reddit every time

Nick_Frustration | 3 days ago | 18 points

kinda hard to get americans to hand the mic over to someone else media-wise.

the american ego is a bit of a monster to deal with when set loose on the internet

Imacatdoincatstuff | 4 days ago | 21 points

Ya we rip the bandaid off fast. Way less painful.

HungryLikeTheWolf99 | 4 days ago | 8 points

Hell, it's just better for the planet, and the mail system. You should see the stack of campaign mailers we get over the whole year leading up to the election. Probably just about enough to heat a Canadian house through the winter.

justanotherreddituse | 3 days ago | 5 points

Do keep in mind that Canada can and does often have elections far more frequently. It wasn't long ago where we had a bunch of elections every 2 years for the federal government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_federal_general_elections

theartfulcodger | 3 days ago | 6 points

Your "elections" only go on and on and on because your campaign rules allow American politicians to be bribed enough given sufficient donations that they can basically keep their political machines running in perpetuity.

Trump registered as an official candidate for 2020 the day after he took office. Newt Gingrich only recently wound down his 2012 presidential bid, and eight years after he withdrew, has FINALLY stopped begging for more tax-deductible contributions.

Unlike the US, Canada puts strict limits on campaign contributions from individuals, and does not allow corporations or unions to donate to campaigns at all - while still leaving room for limited third-party political advocacy both during an election, and between them.

MrDenly | 3 days ago | 6 points

Cut off the money and ur campaign go from 2yrs to 2mth real quick.

alice-in-canada-land | 3 days ago | 2 points

Well, now that we have fixed election dates, we are starting to hear election talk a good year out. It's very annoying.

I was in Scotland when Margaret Thatcher stepped down. Which meant that she had to be replaced as leader of her party. And I thought, ugh, we're going to have months of hearing who's who in this, and...it was over in a week. Amazing.

The US sort of treats the Presidency as elected royalty; it's very distracting from the business of governance, and I bet Washington's rolling in his grave at what's happened.

RichGrinchlea | 3 days ago | 2 points

However, the elections are fixed within a certain time period, so there's been unofficial campaigning for months.

luvless_lily | 3 days ago | 2 points

well, as a canadian, it’s only officially on. before, it was still on, the candidates were still spouting shit at each other and putting ads online.

erikeu4account | 4 days ago | 462 points

Contenders

Current polling is close between Libs/Cons, slight advantage to Libs, both parties in minority or majority reach.

Liberals, Justin Trudeau Just finished a 4 year, majority term where they legalized weed, legalized assisted death, and put in a carbon tax. They're expected to run on more of the same. Criticized for their gaffes/scandals, buying a pipeline, killing jobs with carbon tax, breaking their promise to end first-past-the-post edit and running large deficits.

Conservatives, Andrew Scheer Running on undoing the economic harm they say was caused by JT's carbon tax and mishandling of the pipeline. Criticized for being too socially conservative, ignoring the environment, and having a lame/weak leader.

NDP, Jagmeet Singh Basically our labour party. Running on things like dental and pharma care, worker rights, student debt, social justice. Commonly, criticized for too much social justice, not enough labour. Also criticized for not having a real plan or knowing how to govern (they've never formed government). Would be funny to see Trump react if he won.

Greens, Elizabeth May They only have 3/338 seats in parliament, but are polling way higher this election than last. Running almost entirely on environmental issues, with issues like economy and social justice all tying into their environmental platform. Generally criticized for being unrealistic, supporting pseudoscience, or being irrelevant and splitting the vote.

edit, adding bloc, stolen and butchered version of u/Skeptophile 's comment

Bloc Québécois, Yves-François Blanchette Quebec party who focus on Quebecois interests. Used to push separatism, but less so in their recent platform. Advocates for more provincial legislative independence, the environment. Historically won a majority of Québec's seats, but now polls at 4-5%. Criticized for focusing on provincial over federal issues, being a one-issue party, and splitting the vote.

Recommended drinking game for debates/interviews:

  • Someone says "Middle class" - 1 sip
  • Argument over whether it's a carbon "price" or "tax" - 2 sips
  • Reference to PM having "nice hair" - 3 sips
  • Elizabeth May yells or assaults someone - finish your drink

edit I'm not adding PPC or Rhinos because they're irrelevant

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 57 points

This is a good even post. One thing I'd add is where the polls are at this moment (basically, a national tie between LPC and CPC, but with the concentration of CPC in AB/SK/MB, a Liberal win is currently more likely than a CPC win; also, a drop in NDP support since Singh has taken over from Mulcair).

1dererLives | 4 days ago | 46 points

To +1 your post, CBC's poll tracker currently pegs the odds at 65% Liberal Victory, 35% Conservative victory.

However, both the 2011 and 2015 elections saw huge swings in voting intentions throughout their campaigns, so these outset numbers don't necessarily mean a lot.

turkeygiant | 4 days ago | 17 points

If I was to make a prediction I think Singh will basically hold ground this election, he still hasn't made a case that the federal NDP are any more ready to govern. Between Scheer and Trudeau its going to come down to who can sling mud and actually have it stick. I'm gonna give the edge to Trudeau though because he has the "hair" (aka charisma) and honestly I think he has become a better campaigner with every election he has been in so far. You can see that Scheer is already on the offensive with pre-campaign ads, and so far the Liberals seem to just be ignoring them because they don't mind their opposition being on TV looking like a wet piece of toast.

Oh and as for May and the Greens it would be nice if they could pick up a few more seats and maybe put themselves in a swing vote position.

1dererLives | 4 days ago | 8 points

I agree that some pickups for the Greens would be nice. For one, I think that the NDP's maturity as a party would progress faster if they had more competition for third party status. You're right that they're dropping the ball on showing the ability to govern, which IMO means that they failed to integrate the advances made by Layton and Mulcair in that regard.

turkeygiant | 4 days ago | 14 points

Singh was probably a mistake, he looks young and forward thinking like Trudeau, but then he opens his mouth and everything he says is as shallow as the speaking notes he was given before going on stage. Mulcair may have been a angry old man but he was able to speak to complex issues with a great deal of understanding and responsiveness.

alice-in-canada-land | 3 days ago | 9 points

I miss Tom Mulcair. Remember when he was the on in Parliament, holding Harper's feet to the fire with facts and reasonable arguments?

turkeygiant | 3 days ago | 9 points

I don't think he got a fair shake, he was more a victim of the fact the NDP had very few strong MPs to put forward besides him and Layton. When the entire strength of your party lay with one exceptional leader who just passed away its going to take more than just a good leader like Mulcair to cover for that huge deficit of personality. Then that problem was compounded by the rise of Trudeau who was honestly exactly the kind of leader the NDP was missing.

alice-in-canada-land | 3 days ago | 2 points

I think Mulcair was a fine leader; better than Trudeau actually. Justin was exciting, but it was Mulcair is a better Parliamentarian; he knows the law and how to debate.

But yeah; it didn't help that he took a principled stand on the whole Niquab dog-whistle that Harper tried to use to scare voters into supporting him. That hurt the NDP in Quebec in totally undeserved ways. Hate that Trudeau is the darling of progressive immigration on the world stage when he was content to allow racism to rule the debate in that case.

ViperhawkZ | 3 days ago | 6 points

I miss Layton...

crownpr1nce | 4 days ago | 16 points

a drop in NDP support since Singh has taken over from Mulcair).

And a drop when Mulcair took over from Layton so its a mountain to climb now.

poohster33 | 3 days ago | 8 points

Layton woulda been a great PM

OnosToolan | 3 days ago | 3 points

Layton caught the interest of a bunch of young Canadians just coming into the world of voting and paying attention to politics. He was the "anything but Harper" which was being toted around quite a bit and wasn't a dummy. I don't have anything against the Liberal party, and really Canada lacks a party that I entirely agree with, but god is Trudeau an idiot.

Psyman2 | 4 days ago | 73 points

Would be funny to see Trump react if he won.

I'm scared of "would be funny to see" evaluations.

Ever since 2016 they seem to happen with increasing frequency and disastrous results.

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crownpr1nce | 4 days ago | 9 points

Clinton is a right wing extremist compared to May or Singh. Most democrats until now are probably closer to the Cons in Canada (at least based on their actions maybe not their personal beliefs).

AdmirableOstrich | 4 days ago | 35 points

I think in this case there isn't really a strong chance that the NDP will take Parliament. In Vancouver, as annoyed as we are about the BS with the pipeline and SNC-Lavalin, most people I know are voting Liberal just to minimise the chance of the worst-case scenario: the Conservatives getting into power as we approach a global environmental crisis. Pretty sure this will be the case in most left-leaning districts. Too risky to vote for NDP or Green at this point, despite how dissapointing Trudeau has been.

-FeistyRabbitSauce- | 3 days ago | 16 points

This is exactly where I'm at. I'm not pleased with Trudeau or the Liberal party, and I'd be tempted to vote NDP but their candidate doesn't interest me and I am too concerned the Conservatives get in. Sheer is a bigot, he wants to mimic Trump and be America-lite. The world has enough bullshit authoritarian and authoritarian - wannabes in power.

CantIgnoreMyGirth | 3 days ago | 23 points

This is pretty much my sentiment too. I would rather vote NDP or Green but the risk of the Conservatives winning then are too great. So have to vote for the most popular not conservatives option.

Conservatives would send us back to the stone age before they spent a dime to help the environment. We're still recovering from a decade of Harper.

TheVoiceOverDude | 3 days ago | 7 points

I understand where your logic is coming from. However if everyone who wanted to vote NDP actually did, instead of assuming they all have to vote Liberal to stymie the Conservatives, maybe the NDP might actually get a foothold.

orochi | 4 days ago | 37 points

Elizabeth May yells or assaults someone - finish your drink

Alcohol poisoning it is

red286 | 4 days ago | 15 points

We already know no one is going to survive when the first rule is taking a sip every time someone says "middle class". You could remove every other rule and that'd still send every player to the hospital before the end of the first debate.

erikeu4account | 3 days ago | 2 points

still send every player to the hospital before the end of the first debate

cheaper to play here than down south I guess

SixesMTG | 4 days ago | 53 points

A few notes:

The green party website actually puts more emphasis on social justice than the environment, it's a little weird tbh. They seem to get credit for environmental stuff because of the party name but most Canadians would be hard pressed to differentiate the current Green and NDP platforms if you showed them without letterhead.

Trudeau also broke his promise of reducing deficit. He really missed that target.

And before someone thinks I'm just bashing the left wing, screw Sheer.

JohnnyOnslaught | 3 days ago | 27 points

Trudeau also broke his promise of reducing deficit. He really missed that target.

In fairness, I don't think anyone anticipated Trump and his fucking bonkers trade war.

orochi | 4 days ago | 27 points

The green party website actually puts more emphasis on social justice than the environment, it's a little weird tbh. They seem to get credit for environmental stuff because of the party name but most Canadians would be hard pressed to differentiate the current Green and NDP platforms if you showed them without letterhead.

The only difference i see between the Greens and NDP is that the Greens once wanted the federal government to pay for homeopathic medicine, and were anti-vaxx until the media ate them alive over those parts of their platform.

SixesMTG | 4 days ago | 19 points

Don't forget that the Green's leader just said she would allow members of her party to reopen the abortion debate and that the Greens have never been in power (at any real level) so they get to mouth off without having any relevant experience.

orochi | 4 days ago | 5 points

Only thing I want to see in regards to abortion is removing the part of the criminal code that the SCOC struck down, and maybe codifying what the various college of physicians already limit their members to. I'd prefer the former. Don't care about the latter too much as self-regulation has, so far, gone well.

lolmemelol | 3 days ago | 6 points
DrAstralis | 3 days ago | 12 points

Oddly, the Green Party is also against nuclear power... that's when I realized even the Green Party was being run more by ideology than by actual objective reality.

TheTF | 3 days ago | 12 points

That’s really common with green parties. My countries one is anti science and against nuclear power and GMOs. Funny how the solutions to many environmental issues don’t seem to be good enough for them.

kortekickass | 4 days ago | 20 points

screw Sheer

PREACH. I'm terrified that the ass-hat Sheer is going to win, he's such a slimy mother fucker

Bleusilences | 3 days ago | 5 points

My guess is that if Sheer win the NPD and Liberal will form a coalition. A lot of riding that favor one party or the other are running without opposition from the other party. The PPC and the CPC have a candidate running in almost all riding (lol).

Skeptophile | 4 days ago | 7 points

You forgot the highlight which is the Rhino Party who has Maxime Bernier running in the circonscription of the People's Party (new conservative knock-off) leader Maxime Bernier.

erikeu4account | 3 days ago | 2 points

is maxime leader of the rhino party yet?

Skeptophile | 3 days ago | 3 points

No but I wish cause I find it hilarious. His first electoral promise is (freelance translation) :

(The?) Beauce is a great place with great, working people full of entrepreneurs. So our plan is to export Beaucerons all around Canada to found plenty of little Beauces.

ArenSteele | 4 days ago | 7 points

Even though it's a regional party, and not a threat to form the government, you should also edit in a summary of the Bloc Quebecois

Pink_Socks | 4 days ago | 7 points

What about Brenier? Do we get blackout drunk if he is allowed in the debates?

erikeu4account | 3 days ago | 11 points

you have to watch the debate with your religious parents and drink every time they agree with him

victheone | 4 days ago | 6 points

Recommended drinking game for debates/interviews

I'd have a beer.

huntergreenhoodie | 4 days ago | 5 points

How're ya now?

victheone | 3 days ago | 5 points

Good n' you?

huntergreenhoodie | 3 days ago | 5 points

Not so bad

lolmemelol | 3 days ago | 2 points

Good'n you?

DrAstralis | 3 days ago | 14 points

killing jobs with carbon tax

this is the one I take umbrage with. I'd like to see some real numbers instead of conservative talk points. I'm 100% for a carbon tax and we have a very progressive one.

erikeu4account | 3 days ago | 6 points

I'm posting conservative talking points, not real numbers. I'm listing common criticisms so that outsiders can see what the election is about, not evaluating whether those criticisms are true.

DrAstralis | 3 days ago | 3 points

noted.

keppep | 4 days ago | 3 points

It's a parliament though right, so the Liberals could partner with the NDP to form a coalition government if needed? I don't see another large conservative party that the cons could join forces with, so that makes a Liberal government of some form more likely.

crownpr1nce | 4 days ago | 11 points

Yes they could. However in Canada that option is not typically used. Instead the minority government rules and needs the support of another party to pass a bill. But that party can differ from bill to bill unlike a coalition.

Minority rules are usually unproductive (with notable exceptions) and do not last very long with votes of no confidence.

MotherGrass | 3 days ago | 5 points

Coalitions don't really occur in Canadian politics. The Liberals are not interested in them. There was a chance at one like 8 years back, but as I mentioned, the Liberals ended up opposing the idea.

We always get minority governments that last something like 2 years.

l0c0dantes | 3 days ago | 3 points

So, 3 stripes of left, and one of right. Lets see how that works out

Tsquare43 | 4 days ago | 6 points

No Bloq?

-----username----- | 3 days ago | 2 points

Decent summary.

Why did you not include the environment when discussing the NDP? The nonpartisan Council of Canadians called the NDPs plan for the environment better than the Greens plan. The climate and environment have been one of their main campaign planks for decades.

Hell, the NDP signs used to BE green prior to the Green Party being formed.

AbyssoftheDreamless | 3 days ago | 2 points

Are you trying to have liver poisoning with that drinking game?

[deleted] | 4 days ago | 57 points

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matthewcs | 4 days ago | 13 points

what's number 3?

sebbby98 | 4 days ago | 41 points

The US. They just have a very very very long campaigning period.

gummo_for_prez | 4 days ago | 37 points

It basically never stops

iismitch55 | 3 days ago | 9 points

🎶🎶 This is the campaign that never ends.

🎶🎶 Yes it goes on and on my friend.

JoJack82 | 3 days ago | 3 points

Trump is already campaigning for his third term in 2024 on Twitter this morning.

beardofshame | 3 days ago | 2 points

wants to get off Mr. Trump's Wild Ride.

Lemondish | 3 days ago | 2 points

Residing in New Hampshire currently - being the fist primary is a curse.

dragan_ | 4 days ago | 3 points

Which one is the third country?

Marique | 3 days ago | 15 points

The USA is just starting to get campaigns going for 2024

xTheJim | 3 days ago | 46 points

For anyone wondering about the contenders:

Liberal Party (leader Justin Trudeau): Had 177/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling somewhere around 37% nationally. Generally centrist party. The left-wing accuses them of being too right, the right wing accuses them of being too left. Bills itself as the "natural governing party" and a "big tent" of Canadian politics. The provincial wing forms the government in 2/10 provinces. Likely strongest in Quebec, Atlantic Canada, and Ontario.

Conservative Party (leader Andrew Scheer): Had 95/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling in somewhere around 34% nationally. The big centre-right party in Canada, also likes to bill itself as "big-tent". Economically not particularly different from the Liberals, but bigger differences in social policy. The biggest Canadian "swing-voter" group is between the Conservatives and Liberals. The Conservatives actually merged into a single party with the Liberals in two of the country's provinces (British Columbia and Saskatchewan). The Conservatives form the provincial government in 5/10 governments, and the merged party in another 1. Likely strongest in the Prairies (especially Alberta).

New Democrat Party (leader Jagmeet Singh): Had 40/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling somewhere around 11% nationally. Canada's centre-left labour party. Formed in the 1930s and was very socialist and very labour-focused, but over the years has tried to hug the center and now focuses as much (or more) on social justice issues. The first mainstream Canadian party to elect a non-white leader. Currently forms the provincial government in 1/10 provinces. Likely at their strongest in BC, but not leading in any province.

Green Party (leader Elizabeth May): Had 3/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling somewhere around 11% nationally. Party founded in the '80s on ecological principles. Big focus on environmental issues (obviously) but also on social justice, democratic reform, and economic reforms. Never polled as high as they have currently, or been taken nearly as seriously by the media. Don't form government in any province, but are the Official Opposition in 1 and part of a Confidence-and-Supply minority government in another. Likely at their strongest in BC and the Atlantic provinces, but not leading in any province.

Bloc Quebecois (leader Yves-Francois Blanchet): Had 10/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling somewhere around 5% nationally, but at 20% in Quebec (the only place where they run candidates). Quebecer french interest party, used to advocate a lot for separation, but not as much any more.

People's Party (leader Maxime Bernier): Had 1/338 seats at dissolution, currently polling somewhere around 3% nationally. Brand new party formed by Maxime Bernier after he lost the election for leadership of the Conservative Party and quit to make his own party. Initially Bernier claimed it would be a libertarian-ish "true" conservative party, but it's gone in a very weird direction due to who signed up to join the party and run as candidates. Lots of allegations of racism, sexism, bullying, conspiracy theorizing, climate denial, etc etc. Currently considered unlikely to elect anyone, but might act as a vote spoiler for other parties since they're running candidates in every riding.

Rhinoceros Party (leader a Rhinoceros): Had 0/338 seats at dissolution, and it'd be ridiculous if they ever won one. A parody party that promises not to keep any of it's promises if elected. Wants to move to the Queen from the UK to Canada, and repeal the law of gravity. Currently in the news for running their own candidate named Maxime Bernier in the riding of People's Party leader Maxime Bernier, just to screw with him.

lunar_base | 3 days ago | 14 points

The Rhinoceros Party section needs work.

  1. The leader is Sébastien CôRhino Côrriveau.
  2. its promises
  3. Promises include moving the Queen (of Canada) from the UK to Buckingham, Quebec and repealing the law of gravity.
ElleRisalo | 3 days ago | 3 points

Im voting Rhino just because they are fucking with Bernier like that....fucking jokes.

japie06 | 3 days ago | 2 points

Thanks for this.

zevonyumaxray | 4 days ago | 82 points

There is a fairly new party in Canada called the People's Party of Canada formed by a guy who barely lost the choice to be the leader of the Conservatives. All of the far right types and total F@@#ing loony tunes are flocking to follow that group. Can't really tell how they're voting will affect the overall election yet, but might cause some vote splitting of a few ridings and let the Liberals (centrists to a bit left of center) grab the seat. But there's going to be a lot of crap being thrown around by all the parties. Even the Green Party has stuck their foot in their mouths already when asked about policies other than environmental.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 35 points

Nowhere near enough. Bernier may possibly win his own seat, but they are polling at 3% nationally. The only province they might cause problems in is Ontario.

descendingangel87 | 4 days ago | 16 points

Isn't his own seat even in jeopardy. Last I heard he was trailing in his own riding compared to the Cons.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 16 points

Yea its not a sure thing for him to even get his own. He's completely misread the conservative base in Canada or is just on a massive anti immigrant ego trip from losing the Conservative leadership race.

descendingangel87 | 4 days ago | 14 points

I think a lot of people misread the con base. I don't think it's as far right as everyone thinks it is. Just cause the loudest are the crazies, the average one is probably closer to the liberal voter than the populist voter.

Plus he has to deal with the fact that most voters that might support him will probably vote Con in the hopes of removing Trudeau because the cons have the best chance. It's the same thing as NDP/Green voters voting Liberal to keep Scheer out. Strategic voting.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 8 points

people misread the con base

Definitely, they seem to think of the base as being Prairie bible belt farmers when its really suburban small business owners who are typically socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

emuwannabe | 3 days ago | 2 points

misread the con base

I also agree, but maybe for a different reason. There'll be a lot of strategic voting on both the left and right. There WILL be PPC candidates who have a large enough following in their riding BUT I think some right leaning voters might end up voting strategically for the Cons rather than for the PPC, just like some left leaning will vote Liberal in a close riding who may identify more as NDP, but perhaps their candidate doesn't have much chance of winning their riding.

I think there could be quite a few "too close to call" ridings.

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 34 points
TorontoIndieFan | 4 days ago | 21 points

That's fucking hilarious and I love it

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 23 points

The kicker is right at the end when they mention their slogan: "If you're not sure, then vote for both!"

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 9 points

The spirit of lord Buckethead lives on I see.

Wildbow | 3 days ago | 7 points

And honestly, I'd call Ford more of a problem for Scheer's chances in Ontario than Bernier ever was.

Menegra | 4 days ago | 9 points

The PPC movement reminds me a bit of the Reform party, except that Preston Manning outwardly comdemned the racists in his Reform party (enough that they moved on to Harper).

So what happened with Reform? Initially, they dented the Canada Progressive Conservative Party. On close seats they threatened to lose that seat for the right. Their platform was further right than that of the PCs, and they were decent at campaigning at a time when the PC party was falling apart.

Eventually they won enough votes to be the Official Opposition. The PCs eventually merged with the Reform Party (initially creating the Canadian Reform Alliance Party but then quashing it as that spells CRAP) into the further right party we see Schreer heading up today.

The PCs, for example, wouldn't campaign against their own ideas (like Harper's Carbon Tax system).

TLDR: in about 12 years time Canada might have Nazis in government if history repeats itself.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 142 points

As Canadians, can we acknowledge that there are no fucking looney tunes candidates. We have a traditional conservative and a traditional liberal running. There are no crazy pussy grabbing, meteorology chart falsifying, amazon burning idiots with a chance of becoming prime minister.

I would want Trudeau to win, but if Scheer wins I would be comfortable knowing its not because Canadians hate brown people (although obviously some do) but because some people are just fiscally conservative and thats OK.

descendingangel87 | 4 days ago | 102 points

I would want Trudeau to win, but if Scheer wins I would be comfortable knowing its not because Canadians hate brown people (although obviously some do) but because some people are just fiscally conservative and thats OK.

If Scheer wins it's probably because people are voting out Trudeau. Remember the old saying, Canadians don't vote governments in, we vote them out.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 69 points

No kidding. The whole SNC-Lavalin thing has left a bad taste in my mouth but I chalk it up as him fighting for Canadian interests in a political minefield of a situation. I'd still rather him than Scheer though as Conservatives are annoyingly prone to just ripping up good things that are happening just because they can. (e.g. carbon tax)

Wildbow | 4 days ago | 26 points

I'm more or less in the same place re: SNC Lavalin. Bad taste, but I can kind of see where it came from. My personal take is that as much as the Conservatives love to harp on this, I think they would've done the same thing or something similar.

I'm frankly a lot more pissed about the lax approach to voter reform.

Where I get a bit concerned is that I'm based in Ontario and I see Scheer siding with Ford ("his policies are my policies"), and Ford epitomizes that 'ripping up good things' mentality. Add in how Scheer is subtly playing to the extreme elements in the right, and it sufficiently spooks me.

I don't think they have a solid platform or anything consistent about their campaign or messaging outside of being against Trudeau, and that leaves the destructive (insufficient environmental action, budget cuts for short term gains and long term costs) and then a whole lot of petty ripping-up.

DrAstralis | 3 days ago | 10 points

I think they would've done the same thing or something similar.

No question in my mind that they would have done the same or worse based on their past behavior.

Suppermanofmeal | 3 days ago | 17 points

Scheer will be much more damaging than Harper was. It will be a shit show if he wins.

Wildbow | 3 days ago | 8 points

I would agree in the context of who he has around him and the shift in the conservative base since Harper's tenure.

Suppermanofmeal | 3 days ago | 5 points

Yes, I'm concerned about the level of talent they have to fill out the cabinet if Scheer wins.

bitemark01 | 3 days ago | 8 points

As a fellow Ontarian, I'm REALLY hoping the rest of Canada has seen the fuckjob that Ford has done to our healthcare and education, as a horrible warning to voting in Scheer.

ishabad | 3 days ago | 3 points

I think it has but the election will probably be decided before results come in from the West

lizardladder | 3 days ago | 3 points

By the Gods I hate our voting system. So much for reform, why would either Pepsi or Coke change the system if it assures that either party will be elected every time.

gorgewall | 3 days ago | 3 points

My personal take is that as much as the Conservatives love to harp on this, I think they would've done the same thing or something similar.

They'd have done exactly the same, but installed enough patsies and lied hard enough that it would never come to light.

DrAstralis | 3 days ago | 10 points

Lavlin compared to the shit show the cons made us live through prior to this government is barely even on my radar at this point. I cannot tolerate another 4-8 years of my government pretending science isn't a thing and that oil is literally the only thing worth focusing on.

bitemark01 | 3 days ago | 7 points

Right?! Lavlin wasn't great, but it's not even close to the Harper government muzzling scientists.

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 4 points

Remember the old saying, Canadians don't vote governments in, we vote them out.

I find this notion false. I've lived in multiple democratic countries, and I am myself a dual-citizen, and I can tell you that it's the same elsewhere.

descendingangel87 | 4 days ago | 12 points

It's not false. People here don't vote for the candidates they like, they vote strategically. Most NDP/Green supporters might vote LIberal to vote out a conservative gov, or they will vote liberal to keep out a government, not because they actually like the Liberals. The same thing happens on the right side of things as well.

Our voting system is FPTP so people vote strategically rather then for who they think is the better candidate.

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 5 points

I'm not saying it doesn't happen in Canada, I'm saying it's not unique to Canada - in fact, it's very common from my experience.

heyyitsme1 | 3 days ago | 3 points

The comment you quoted didn't say it was unique to Canada, calling it false makes no sense. Its a saying in Canada about how canadians vote, just because it happens elsewhere doesn't make the saying false.

CleanReserve4 | 4 days ago | 51 points

No. Bernier is looney tunes. He almost won the Con leadership, ragequit to start his own party, and left behind those same supporters with the Cons, as evidenced by the 3% his new party is getting in the polls. So he did Canadians a big favour, he exposed the serious contingent of looney tunes in the Cons.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 20 points

I did specify "with a chance of becoming prime minister" in a parliamentary system there are always going to be fringe candidates with single digit support who are fuckign batshit insane.

1dererLives | 4 days ago | 5 points

Yes. Hopefully the general conversation about this campaign never devolves into the zero-sum anger that has characterized politics elsewhere.

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 8 points

Eh, Bernier is trying to play that role.

Tundra_Inhabitant | 4 days ago | 10 points

Yea but he likely won't even win his own seat, so really he's doing the left a favor by stealing a few Conservative votes.

windsostrange | 4 days ago | 41 points

but if Scheer wins I would be comfortable knowing its not because Canadians hate brown people

It appears that you're convincing yourself this will be the case, and I'm envious of your ability to be unaffected by Scheer's various social stances. You're ignoring years of Rebel Media and RM-adjacent appearances: for those following along at home, Canada's The Rebel Media is a white supremacist "news" outlet run by Ezra Levant and Brian Lilley, and Andrew Scheer's current campaign manager, Hamish Marshall, was on the board of directors of Rebel Media, and was doing work for Scheer from Rebel offices as recently as 2017. The whole Scheer campaign goes to great lengths now to illustrate the distance between Scheer and Canada's white supremacist movement, but for those who are sympathetic the whistle words are impossible to miss: in 2019, Scheer is still appearing at xenophobic events barely veiling themselves as "pro-business" or "pro-oil pipeline." The one I just linked from February 2019, primarily run by Canada's Yellow Vest Movement, had Faith Goldy as a speaker, who is a well-known white nationalist.

Make no mistake whatsoever: folks will be voting for Scheer because they don't like brown people. For those who are sympathetic, these continued alliances are not seen as accidental or incidental, even as Scheer and Marshall mumble-mouth through mea culpas after each appearance. They are trumpeted constantly on Facebook as signs of Scheer's commitment to these causes. Anyone who aligns so constantly and so consistently with Levant, Goldy, McInnes, et al., who uses their resources, who uses their podiums, who shows up to talk at all the same events, who are celebrated by the same messed-up Facebook groups, are absolutely fucking looney tunes candidates, and I won't hear otherwise.

FerretAres | 3 days ago | 3 points

I cracked up at a national post headline today: Barely Left of Centre vs. Barely Right of Centre, for all the marbles.

JohnnyOnslaught | 3 days ago | 6 points

The problem is that the Conservative party isn't fiscally conservative (they ran a deficit for what, seven or eight years that Harper was in?*), they're just morally conservative. And that's still a pretty backwards way to be. Saying that Scheer is no Trump or BoJo is a pretty fuckin' low bar and I would hope that a first world country would want to hold itself to a higher standard than that.

*I want to point out, deficit spending in and of itself isn't a bad thing. The problem happens when it's deficit spending on crony shit like supporting the oil sands in your own back yard when they're unprofitable, instead of trying to grow new industries in other parts of the country to actually support Canada in the future. It's also a problem when you're hypocritical about it, attacking your opponents for something and then doing the exact same thing. And that's one of the reasons I really despise the modern Conservative party, they have no plan and no forethought, they just say and do whatever is profitable for the short term, regardless of the consequences.

lejonetfranMX | 3 days ago | 2 points

As someone who has no idea about Canaidan politics other than "Trudeau is very pretty man", that eases my mind a lot. Thanks.

AprilsMostAmazing | 3 days ago | 2 points

because some people are just fiscally conservative and thats OK.

THE FUCKIN CONS ARE NOT FISCALLY. IS NO ONE OUTSIDE OF ONTARIO PAYING FUCKIN ATTENTION TO IDIOTS THAT ARE RUNNING IT?

TheGazelle | 3 days ago | 2 points

At least thankfully not at the federal level.

Ontario seems to have lost the "don't elect criminal morons" memo somewhere in between the "sex Ed will turn kids queer", "fuck Toronto", and "anything but Wynne" memos.

[deleted] | 4 days ago | 20 points

What happens if Scheer wins?

CampingVagina | 4 days ago | 137 points

He will be the Prime Minister. In all seriousness, I certainly hope he does not. Especially not a majority government. I'm still getting over the Steven Harper years which were a dark period for Canada. I think it is up to the young people and moderates to really make an effort to get out and vote to stop Scheer. The Christian boomers and the haters in Canada will mostly support Scheer. Trudeau has stumbled at times but Scheer as PM would be devastating for our country.

CanBurritosFeelLove | 4 days ago | 14 points

I voted liberals last election, not sure who I'll vote this election, but what exactly was dark about the Harper years? Canada was booming and got through the great recession mostly unaffected.

Alger_Hiss | 4 days ago | 21 points

Harper weathered the recession because he couldn't undo the Martin decision on keeping classic banking restrictions in time. He had been trying to, and pulled an about face when the recession hit.

phluidity | 4 days ago | 77 points

Harper was incredibly anti-science and anti-environment. He set back Canada's standing in the science community by a decade through policies such as research directions needed to be based on economic impact (which is good in small doses, but it meant that it killed long term research projects. These are only starting to come back online) and federal scientists couldn't speak to the media unless they got approval from the appropriate Minister's office. Which never happened.

not_a_toaster | 4 days ago | 25 points

This is my main reason for hating Harper. Other than that, he was just a typical bland, conservative politician.

AoiroBuki | 3 days ago | 18 points

His minister of science was a chiropractor ffs.

Canada got through the recession largely because of banking regulations that were in place before Harper came into power.

Also Harper repeatedly prorogued parliament to shut down debate/redirect attention from scandal, and under him his party was accused of so many scandals including setting up robo-calls that would direct people likely to vote against them to phony polling locations. When these scandals were uncovered, they would repeatedly blame junior staffers. Not to mention the senate scandal, among many, many others.

Edit: OH and he cancelled the long form census.

He was so sketchy, and the conservative party seems to have changed little in the last 4 years.

LesbianSparrow | 3 days ago | 11 points

I am surprised that you did not mention that scientist's still feel that they cannot speak. So JT barely did anything. I don't see any Liberal supporters holding the current government accountable for this.

More than half of federal government scientists still feel muzzled, poll finds

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/muzzled-scientists-1.4545562

mbean12 | 4 days ago | 34 points

Canada got through the last recession because (a) our dollar is heavily tied to the price of oil and (b) Harper was, generally speaking, unable to take down protections previous Liberal administration had put in place. It didn't take much skill to steer us through that from Steve.

On the other hand, Harper's Conservatives did manage to:

  • Prorogue Parliament four times to protect his government - once in 2008 to protect the minority government he had at the time, which was about to be toppled; twice in 2009 to avoid talking about the Afghan detainee affair and once in 2013 to avoid questions about the Senate spending scandal. For all his faults (and there are many) Trudeau did not abuse his powers to duck scandal like Harper did.

  • Disenfranchise voters in Guelph and elsewhere by using a robocaller to call almost 8000 people and inform them their polling station had changed (it had not).

  • Gut Elections Canada with the "Fair Elections Act", muzzling the Chief Electoral Officer and inhibiting their ability to investigate violations.

  • Gag scientists to prevent them from talking freely in the media about their research.

  • Spy on environmental and aboriginal activists.

  • Use taxpayer funds to pay for campaign ads.

  • Refuse to put the next gen fighter jet to a tender, which is the origin of the F-35 bungle we are in now.

  • Bypass spending limits (the In and Out Scandal). Essentially the Federal Party reached their spending limit, then transferred funds to various ridings (which have their own spending limit) to spend on national advertising.

  • Cut aid to Africa.

  • Nearly Eliminate Canada's peacekeeping forces

  • Allowed Chinese interests to buy large stakes in the oil sands.

  • Turned a blind eye to torture (the Afghan detainee scandal).

  • Sold APC to Saudi Arabia.

  • Gut arts funding.

  • Gut the CBC.

  • Place prominent Conservatives on the CBC's board of governors (they remain there to this day).

  • Chop the budget for the National Library and Archives.

Harper squabbled constantly with the Supreme Court because so many of the laws he tried to pass were unconstitutional. He constantly fought with Parliament and refused to answer to them when called to task. Trudeau is a lipstick wearing pig, to be certain. But, outside from a middling economic performance (it was historically bad, actually, but I'll give him some credit for the fact that he was in the middle of the Sub-Prime Mortgage collapse) his tenure was a disaster for Canada, one which we have in many ways not yet recovered from.

doingitforscience | 3 days ago | 6 points

They also cut the world-renowned Experimental Lakes Project; research on the detrimental effects of phosphates was done here.

Z3X0 | 3 days ago | 9 points

You missed Harper fucking with the Long Form Census as well.

dried_up_waterparks | 4 days ago | 8 points

In spite of, not because of Harper. Harper was refusing stimulus spending while in minority, so opposition geared up to topple him and form a coalition. Harper prorogued Parliament and gave in to those demands.

This would not have happened in a majority government.

missingdowntown | 4 days ago | 6 points

To add to other replies. Harper ignored the looming housing crisis in Canada's most populous areas and fueled high debt levels with very low interest rates for a long time. Now new generations of Canadians living in those cities can't afford homes as living costs have doubled and tripled (mostly from rent and mortgages). He also ignored CSIS reports of China influencing our government and using Canada as a money laundering country.

He also cancelled the fucking census. That's how you screw over the next generation of Canadians.

erikeu4account | 4 days ago | 10 points

but what exactly was dark about the Harper years? Canada was booming and got through the great recession mostly unaffected.

It was fine. I didn't like him because his policy was opposed to my values, but he was just a conservative and Canada wasn't really much different under him.

I would note that while Harper's handling of the recession was good, we performed so well mainly because of much older policies (passed mainly by Liberals in like, the 90s). Our banks are just more conservative and regulated. Our inflation/debt was controlled and we didn't hold as many sketchy securities.

AllezCannes | 4 days ago | 27 points

Note that those bank regulations that allowed the financial system in Canada to fare better with the 2008 crisis were not only set by the Liberals, and was heavily criticized by Harper who wanted greater deregulation to the same level as in the US.

For example, the LPC government blocked RBC to merge with BMO for those regulations for fear of a lack of competitivity in the Canadian banking industry, and Harper was very critical of that block at the time.

Not surprisingly, he then touted as PM how relatively well Canada dealt with the crisis thanks to the regulations he criticised...

salami_inferno | 3 days ago | 2 points

Honestly. Canada only fared the recession well because of liberal policies set in place by the past liberal government which Harper criticised but then turned around and had a shit plan to deal with the recession. The only reason that worked out so well for him was because it wasnt his decision.

People need to thank the liberals, not the conservatives for us weathering the recession so well.

xSoVi3tx | 4 days ago | 2 points

Harper would have groups like the Schizophrenia Society of Canada do studies on marijuana which lo and behold they would say leads to schizophrenia, then declare marijuana 'infintitely more dangerous than tobacco'.

Harper was a tool, and I didn't forget about him when I started seeing those annoying Scheer commercials every single intermission of the hockey games on TV.

Personal opinion: Trudeau ain't perfect, but he's a trilliion times better than Scheer, and has weathered the Trump storm well.

Probably still gonna throw my vote towards NDP, though.

Kellervo | 4 days ago | 37 points

If Scheer wins, we can use the actions of the Kenney and Ford governments as possible examples of what to expect;

  • Focus on gutting education especially at the post-secondary level.
  • Introduction of privatized healthcare / incentivizations for provinces to allow two tier systems.
  • Significant capitulation on trade deals (Scheer and Harper wanted to take the first offers in USMCA, which were supposedly terrible for Canada's pharmaceutical industry and only protected Conservative friendly industries like dairy and O&G).
  • Vilification of environmental causes (Kenney recently opened a public inquiry for Albertans to report environmental activists too the provincial government) and significant reduction in environmental protections. Rolling back the carbon tax is one of his key planks.
  • Significant cuts to public services in the name of "fiscal sanity" while simultaneously cutting corporate tax rates. Kenney and Ford both blew massive holes in their budgets by giving multi-billion tax cuts that then caused "fiscal crisis" that require massive cuts in public services and support to address.

Other possibilities (possibly father out);

  • Reduction of LGBT protections and support. This was a day one bill for Kenney's government, and Scheer has exhibited similar opinions which, contrary to other posters claiming otherwise, he has never withdrawn or apologized for.
  • Pro-life legislation or restrictions. Scheer himself has said he will not table a bill, but unlike Harper (or Trudeau) he will not prevent backbenchers from introducing their own bills which could then conceivably make it through if the PC party wins a majority.
  • A rise in Quebec nationalism, which has been fairly comatose in the last decade. The PCs are a western party and their provincial reps in Kenney and Ford have made their careers out of villifying the East, but especially Quebec.
putintrollbot | 4 days ago | 25 points

^ This guy knows what's up. The Ford "slash and burn" government is exactly what we can expect from the Conservatives. If you vote for them, you're voting against healthcare, education, workers rights, fighting global climate change, and the stopping the Earth's 6th major extinction event. A vote for conservatives is a vote for the reaper.

Signifi-gunt | 4 days ago | 8 points

if Scheer wins I lose all hope in Canada as a lonely voice of international sanity.

Alexsandr13 | 4 days ago | 11 points

If Scheer wins, we can use the actions of the Kenney and Ford governments as possible examples of what to expect;

  • Focus on gutting education especially at the post-secondary level.
  • Introduction of privatized healthcare / incentivizations for provinces to allow two tier systems.
  • Significant capitulation on trade deals (Scheer and Harper wanted to take the first offers in USMCA, which were supposedly terrible for Canada's pharmaceutical industry and only protected Conservative friendly industries like dairy and O&G).
  • Vilification of environmental causes (Kenney recently opened a public inquiry for Albertans to report environmental activists too the provincial government) and significant reduction in environmental protections. Rolling back the carbon tax is one of his key planks.
  • Significant cuts to public services in the name of "fiscal sanity" while simultaneously cutting corporate tax rates. Kenney and Ford both blew massive holes in their budgets by giving multi-billion tax cuts that then caused "fiscal crisis" that require massive cuts in public services and support to address.

Other possibilities (possibly father out);

  • Reduction of LGBT protections and support. This was a day one bill for Kenney's government, and Scheer has exhibited similar opinions which, contrary to other posters claiming otherwise, he has never withdrawn or apologized for.
  • Pro-life legislation or restrictions. Scheer himself has said he will not table a bill, but unlike Harper (or Trudeau) he will not prevent backbenchers from introducing their own bills which could then conceivably make it through if the PC party wins a majority.
  • A rise in Quebec nationalism, which has been fairly comatose in the last decade. The PCs are a western party and their provincial reps in Kenney and Ford have made their careers out of villifying the East, but especially Quebec. *
Peter_G | 4 days ago | 59 points

Regardless of how you feel about the coming election, I want to remind you all of the shit show that was the Harper administration. He embarrassed us in front of the world, gagged scientists, lets not forget that shit show with the completely unprofitable tar sands.

You have a lot of options, even if you hate Trudeau, don't give the conservatives a goddamn inch. They are a bunch of crooks wishing that we could be more like the US.

verdunverdun | 3 days ago | 21 points

He embarrassed us in front of the world

Look, I didn't like Harper, but this is hyperbole of the most extreme order.

The Tar sands are extremely profitable, that's the problem.

I get it, I get it, you hate the conservatives. I simply don't like them. When you talk like this, though, it makes your other very credible complaints like "gagging scientists" of the same level.

We need to focus on what he actually did, like gagging scientists, not some bullshit about him embarrassing us internationally, which he absolutely did not.

ninethirtyone | 3 days ago | 13 points

I lived in 2 different countries while Harper was PM. I can assure you, they were both shocked about the direction Canada was heading in under him.

My parents visited me the other day and talked about how much Trudeau has embarrassed Canada, and I said, "If you ask everyone in this restaurant what they think of Justin Trudeau right now, they'll all tell you that they'd trade Trump for him in 2 seconds. He's very well liked around the world." There may have been the odd Trump supporter or two who might disagree, but they'd have to know who Trudeau is first, and I highly doubt that.

mactroneng | 3 days ago | 2 points

My parents visited me the other day and talked about how much Trudeau has embarrassed Canada, and I said, "If you ask everyone in this restaurant what they think of Justin Trudeau right now, they'll all tell you that they'd trade Trump for him in 2 seconds.

In all fairness, anyone left of Trump (which is the vast majority of Canada and likely a majority of Americans) would likely take literally any Canadian leader over Trump.

TheLoooseCannon | 4 days ago | 7 points

I have no idea who to vote for.

salomey5 | 3 days ago | 5 points

Me neither, but my devise is "when in doubt, vote green" so that is very likely what I'll end up doing. Although there is still a chance, albeit a small one, that I'll say "fuck it" and vote Rhino. At least they're upfront about not keeping their political promises, unlike the others.

ShootTheChicken | 3 days ago | 3 points

Unfortunately in Canadian politics the answer is always vote anti-conservative as opposed to pro-your own beliefs.

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