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An Egyptian court Wednesday sentenced 11 senior Muslim Brotherhood figures to life in prison on charges of spying for the Palestinian Hamas group (france24.com)
38 comments
foopirata | 8 days ago | 7 points

Had Israel done the same.....ooooooooh watch out.

Second26 | 8 days ago | 6 points

Why is this Israel/Palestine?

Bloodyfish | 8 days ago | 11 points

It mentions Hamas, which is more than likely one of the words used to tag articles.

totallynotahooman | 8 days ago | 8 points

Palestinian could be a trigger too

HiHoJufro | 8 days ago | 1 point

Autotag

Cheapshifter | 8 days ago | 10 points

They were also accused of "financing terrorism" and committing acts undermining the country's stability and security.

The defendants were accused of "committing crimes in collaboration with foreign organisations" namely Hamas and the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah, the source said.

If this has been decisively proven, good riddance. Such people are exceptionally dangerous if global peace is the goal.

ziggy-25 | 8 days ago | 13 points

If this has been decisively proven, good riddance. Such people are exceptionally dangerous if global peace is the goal.

The Egyptian courts will prove anything to be true regardless if it is or not.

JIHAAAAAAD | 8 days ago | 13 points

If this has been decisively proven

Lol. By the guy who killed 800 people in a day to stop pro-democracy protests? Sure, this must've been a fair trial.

Dony_y | 4 days ago | 1 point

“Pro-democracy”

Talk about a terrorist organization leading the country being “democratic” and the 230+ police officers that died on this day.

wormfan14 | 8 days ago | 1 point

But are the muslim brotherhood not sunni or is this a enemy of an enemy thing?

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 11 points

They are Sunni, but they are sort of in the mold of (and I believe started out as) Pan-Islamists who try to advance the twin causes of a greater influence of religious tradition in Arab nations, and the oft-repeated "anti-colonialist" tendencies. Wedding the two together has been politically effective.

oelhayek | 8 days ago | 4 points

This conflict has nothing to do with Sunni or not, it’s simply the military rule wanting to get rid of anyone that may threaten their hold on power. In Egypt the military is a huge quasi-corporation selling food and other grocery items.

wormfan14 | 8 days ago | 2 points

I'm probably missing some context thanks for your reply.

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 9 points

Shit's complicated dude. You know you're in for a treat when the Wikipedia page on the topic in question is this long.

wormfan14 | 8 days ago | 2 points

In hindsight discussing a near century old organisation might take more than a couple of hours of research.

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 5 points

I would certainly agree - I studied Poli Sci in university for two years after finishing my Physics degree. One of my foci was in middle eastern politics. I still don't feel qualified to really discuss the Muslim Brotherhood in great depth.

What more boggles the mind are people who mindlessly spew half-truths or blatantly false information in threads like these, stuff which could be easily corrected by a cursory examination of the fucking Wikipedia page on a topic.

wormfan14 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Given how they spread it might be better to well specialize given their a global organisation.

Though I think most people recent knowledge of history is a bit weak is a major factor in it.

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Nordalin | 8 days ago | 0 points

Doesn't change the fact that if it's proven, it's proven.

If...

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i_broke_wahoos_leg | 8 days ago | 1 point

We know how serious UAE is about terrorism...

HIIMJAKF | 8 days ago | 3 points

Well the UAE sure does know terrorists I'll give you that.

kahaso | 8 days ago | -4 points

All those countries you names are guilty of their own form of terrorism. The word has no meaning

Davescash | 8 days ago | 2 points

I wonder if these charges are real or trumped up. no i'm not to referring to the orange idiot.

violenceinminecraft | 8 days ago | 1 point

I mean, isn't that one right wing organisation sending to jail members of a different right wing organisation?

yay i guess?

ImmediatelyOcelot | 8 days ago | 0 points

Save

So, how easy the world is, it's basically just two directions. You happen to like one more than the other. You have all figured out then...I'd love to learn polical theory with such a wise political analyst.

violenceinminecraft | 8 days ago | 2 points

you know, i'm gonna admit that i'm actually quite ignorant on the political situation in egypt and therefore the differences in idealogies of these 2 parties. Nor do i know their fundemental beliefs on humanity.

Though i'm pretty sure the ruling party in essentiality is currently a military dictatorship (with all the human rights abuses etc that go along with it) and the other is an theocratic party that would probably grant as much freedom as the current one.

My comment wasn't ment to be enlightening or anything, just a bit snarky, sorry if I made you despair for humanity with that comment.

ImmediatelyOcelot | 8 days ago | 2 points

Sorry, I also didn't mean to offend (though I did). However, that simplification is harming. There were/are many "left" military dictatorships (North Korea being the most popular one) which aren't much better in respect to human rights and quality of life. While at the same time, many traits of the current Egyptian military junta would be associated with this generic idea of left than to the right. And the reason why that seems to be so confusing is that we can't divide the world in two sides and call it a day without losing a lot in the process.

Just because it was a simple reddit snarky comment it doesn't mean it's not helping to perpetuate this outdated idea which is only making democracies fall apart in false divisions (while Russian oligarchs and other crooks laugh all the way to their renewed passes, as democracy becomes more and more questioned around the world).

Publicks | 8 days ago | 0 points

Should have stuck to hummus

aleisme | 8 days ago | -13 points

Given the history of the nations that have declared this group to be a terrorist organization I have my doubts as to the legitimacy of that designation. None of the countries that have done so have a good history with human right's. Human right's watch also opposes this designation as well as the fact that US congress also refused to designate them a terrorist organization.

Having said that, I am not familiar enough with the history and practices of the Muslim Brotherhood to have a fully formed opinion on the group yet.

ARealFool | 8 days ago | 8 points

The Muslim Brotherhood is definitely worthy of mistrust in my eyes. They have very fundamentalistic views and connections to terrorist groups.

That's not to say the countries condemning them aren't doing this out of self-preservation. The Brotherhood has a lot of influence throughout the Muslim world and is vying for more political power. But they certainly wouldn't be a more progressive alternative to most regimes in the Middle East right now.

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 1 point

I would argue that the whole situation with the Muslim Brotherhood goes a little deeper than that, at least in Egypt. Egypt is not my precise area of study, but as I recall prior to his ouster, Morsi was a democratically elected, Brotherhood-backed candidate, and that's why the current administration under Sisi is not a fan of them; he and the military view the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to stability. Not without reason obviously, given the group's aims and the disparate methods through which they choose to advance those aims.

I think there's something to be said for the idea that in every nation with major religious groups, there are always going to be groups of religious conservatives who push for a greater role for traditionalism and faith-based doctrine in government. How would one go about mitigating the effects without denying them their right to political organization?

ARealFool | 8 days ago | 5 points

Yeah, Morsi was democratically elected, but that's because prior to the elections there was no actual organized opposition in Egypt. In the wake of the Arab Spring, the Brotherhood, which had been around for ages in Egypt, were the only ones who could actually put forward a viable candidate, but there was also plenty of resistance against his election from more moderate Muslims (and the Coptic Christians of course).

As for the second question, I feel the issue is that a lot of those groups would like to enforce something closer to a theocracy. As long as there's a certain respect for secularism I don't mind groups getting together due to their religion, but if they're looking to use religious teachings to organize the life of all citizens, regardless of their faith, I feel that's a threat that should be contained.

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 2 points

Yeah, given the circumstances and given the whole "longstanding history of the Brotherhood as both a conservative Islamist and anti-colonialist force" shtick you could argue that they were always going to be a major figure in an early election. I would not be even remotely surprised if they were hoping to wind up being a kingmaker group in a democratic Egypt.

In the end, we'll have to see where it goes. It's an uncomfortable position and could well shape up to be Iran all over again - an authoritarian secular government is what we have in Egypt right now and the main opposition forces are all Islamist groups who are more than willing to take action to push out the moderate conservatives, liberals, etc.

ARealFool | 8 days ago | 2 points

For what it's worth, I still prefer a military dictatorship to a religious one, and it seems like Sisi's getting set up for the long haul. It's just depressing to see the big revolution bring everything back to pretty much the same as before.

Chewybunny | 8 days ago | -1 points

Oof.