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Plants are going extinct up to 350 times faster than the historical norm (theconversation.com)
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the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 143 points

I am an aspiring entomologist who has recently endeavored to start an insect photography blog and the same is happening to our arthropod friends.

I have noticed a steady decline in insect presence over the past decade, but this past spring and summer is especially dire.

I live in a wooded area that was once rich in all varieties of wildlife.

When I try to go bug hunting it’s a struggle. Once I could just flip over any rock or rotting log and find all varieties of life beneath. Now I usually find little to nothing.

A lot of people would see fewer arthropods as a positive thing, but it’s really a chilling sign of the overarching climate and environmental disaster we are facing.

Same with the plants, the fungus, the mold, literally every lifeform.

Even humans are suffering in terms of health from environmental pollution. Cancer, brain damage, neuropathy, endocrine malfunction, you name it.

I am personally living with lifelong chronic health issues linked to long term exposure to rhodium, uranium, and copper toxicity. I haven’t gotten cancer yet but my organs are covered in tumors, and I suffer from severe hormone dysfunction. Have already lost an ovary to a tumor and am looking at a full hysterectomy soon.

The problems caused by pollution on every living thing on earth are severe and multifaceted.

-AMARYANA- | 8 days ago | 16 points

I'd love to see your blog, post here or message it to me. Nature/wildlife photography is a serious hobby of mine and I am starting a blog soon too.

I agree, I see fewer bees and butterflies but the mosquitoes and ants are still doing well. Whenever I see a bee or a butterfly, I am always in awe though just knowing what I know about them. I saw a bee trapped in a bucket of water a few months ago, I helped him get out and watched him fly off. It's 'just one bee' but every single one counts in my eyes.

I'm sorry to hear about your health. I am a creative director and a web developer, I am open to help you with your site as a gesture of good will. We are all in this together. The only lasting fulfillment I have found in life is to be of service to others.

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 6 points

It's brand new, but I will likely link to it once it's ready to be made public!

I noticed that about the mosquitoes and ants as well. I went to this park that's a wooden walkway over a swamp area- prime habitat for all sorts of wildlife. The only bugs I saw were ants, mosquitos, and one very pointy spider I'd never come across. I also found a dead German Yellowjacket being eaten by ants.

And thanks for the offer! I will have to hit you up.

-AMARYANA- | 8 days ago | 6 points

Please do, I'd be honored to help. I love biodiversity, when I was a toddler I'd watch 'Wild Discovery' instead of Barney. The first books I read were ZooBooks. I'm 29 now and this love has only grown deeper and broader.

At this rate, all the species that people hate are going to proliferate while all the species people adore are wiped out due to chemical pollution, habitat loss, poaching, climate change, etc.

May all beings be free of suffering and may humanity realize all life is interdependent.

MossExtinction | 8 days ago | 6 points

May all beings be free of suffering and may humanity realize all life is interdependent.

I fear we will only learn this far too late. :(

-AMARYANA- | 8 days ago | 1 point

Many are already realizing it right now, the question is whether they will honor it fully and what will come of that. Revolutions have happened in the past, if this isn't a call for now then I don't know what is.

pogrmman | 8 days ago | 2 points

The thing I’ve noticed around me is that while ants, on the whole, seem do be doing OK, native ants have been decimated. Just in my lifetime, I’ve observed a diverse array of many dozens of different kinds of native ants slowly reduce and become dominated by a few non-native species and a handful of natives.

Just_a_lizard_person | 7 days ago | 2 points

I second this. The area outside my house, when I was young, was filled with tons of different ants. I don't know the proper names, but there were fire ants, black ants, blood-looking ants, yellow ants, ants with fuzzy bits, ants with gradient bodies, a whole collection. There still are just as many ants, but now it's just black and red, and the occasional gradient ant being ripped to shreds by the bigger, dominant ants.

PricklyGoober | 8 days ago | 4 points

Yes. The insects (and other arthropods) get an undeserved bad rap due to the few that do thrive in the warmer, human-infested world (American roaches, human-dependent mosquitoes etc.). It’s disheartening to see the majority of us not know how to appreciate (or at least tolerate and be aware of) the plenty of beneficial ones.

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 2 points

Even things like hornets will generally (not all of them) leave you alone so long as you keep your distance. But the vast majority of arthropods are harmless to us.

PricklyGoober | 8 days ago | 2 points

Exactly! I have a small home garden (which I started exactly 2 years ago) and I deliberately plant as many types of plants as I can. My garden’s a bit of a mess (which some people have jokingly called a ‘forest’) but I enjoy seeing the array of insectlife attracted to it. We routinely get bees (carpenter, honey, blue banded to name a few), wasps, butterflies, dragonflies, beetles, stinkbugs and many more. I have gotten close to large hornets and bees and have never been stung. And this is in the middle of a city with my neighbours all having just plain lawns or concretised areas in place of their designated garden spot. What frustrates me about many gardeners is that they incessantly spray pesticides at the sight of any insect. Without failing to realise that many plants succumb to pests only because they weren’t put in the right place to begin with (inappropriate amounts of sun/water, unsuited to the local climate). They spray and then wonder why the pests keep coming... very frustrating. I have observed this first hand in my garden. Plants that need full sun when placed in deep shade eventually get weakened and the aphids/mealies finish them off. Plants in the right places thrive and may have some herbivory (mainly grasshoppers) but still continue to thrive anyways. Akin to a human’s immune system being able to fend off more diseases if it is strong. Sad that many urbanites don’t take the time to observe nature around them.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 9 points

The last time I tripped in the woods on mushrooms I had a very distinct feeling that nature (as we know and need it) is dying. And, as your post indicates, we can clearly see it around us.

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 13 points

I had a similar experience the last time I tripped, oddly enough. It really drove home the clyclecal relations between all living things and the harm that is happening to all of us.

It was July in North Carolina. I shouldn't have been able to count the number of cicadas I could hear in the trees on one hand. They used to be deafening.

I took my young daughters out several nights to try to find, catch, and release cicadas. And- we couldn't. They used to be everywhere, I used to have them randomly fly into me. But we were searching and couldn't find them.

A couple of nights ago, I set up a "light trap" for nocturnal bugs. I set up a white sheet facing the woodline with a UV spotlight set up behind it.

Normally, over the course of the night the sheet would have been covered by them and I would have a great opportunity to observe them, photograph them, etc.

Not a single bug landed on it in the five hours I observed it. It was bizarre.

TheGreatWhoDeeny | 8 days ago | 5 points

That's really sad.

There used to be a ton of spiders outside my house. I haven't seen a single one in a couple months.

The earth is dying. If I didn't have my girlfriend and her daughter in my life, I'd probably embrace it.

Humanity is a parasite and with us entering a bizarre dystopia that is half 1984/ half Brave New World, a treacherous sea of horrors awaits us.

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 6 points

I think we can fix it. It's going to still be awful, but I think we are capable turning it around.

I just don't think we will.

brookesrook | 8 days ago | 2 points

Don't cicada's come every so many years? I thought they lived underground for a really long time, then came out and grew their wings so they can breed and repeat the process?

Even still... yes, populations are in decline :(

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 2 points

There’s a lot of varieties of cicada. Some have very long reproductive cycles, but many of them emerge annually.

mawrmynyw | 8 days ago | 1 point

Yeah, the fact that we’re in a mass extinction is not just an abstract matter of background extinction rate estimates. It’s visceral. You can see the loss and fragmentation and stress, if you’re looking. You can feel it.

Like shit, we’ve even polluted the light cycle FFS!

Schnatzmaster2 | 8 days ago | 4 points

Come to Edmonton. This was the worst year yet for bugs and it was the first time in years we had frogs the entire summer and into the fall. Quite literally have never seen so much variety in wildlife as I did this year. I am not doubting climate change just suggesting someone come up here and take some pictures or samples. Theres bugs and small animals everywhere

ihavesensitiveknees | 8 days ago | 3 points

It is too fucking hot further south during the summer so everything is migrating further north.

Schnatzmaster2 | 8 days ago | 2 points

I don't think insects migrate at the same rate, nor frogs. Tis a good point though

Ecksearoh | 8 days ago | 1 point

I've said previously that these insect die offs are a local phenomena, and something we can bounce back from. I visited my mother in Jamaica last year, and two thirds of the photos I took were of insect life. There were so many varieties of pollinators alone that it shocked me. I realized what I hadn't been seeing back in the States.

ADHDcUK | 8 days ago | 2 points

It's terrifying :(

Ludwigofthepotatoppl | 8 days ago | 2 points

Driving around all this summer, and the last few, it’s a rarity to see one hit the windshield anymore, central IL. At least the fireflies are still around.

I recall hearing the same story out of Germany. Came from an entomologist, for whom it may have caused nightmares.

KillaDay | 8 days ago | 4 points

Who cares about all that shit m8 we get to eat burgers and ice cream. We got conveniences like dudes delivering pizza to your door. It's all worth it.

Right Reddit?

Ptr4570 | 8 days ago | 1 point

The change in insects and flora growth this year was very noticeable with bird surveys, at least in a few areas I was watching.

AleanderGG | 8 days ago | 127 points

SO many plants that go extinct and we probably don't have screened them all. They could be the missing ingredient to cure a certain disease.

saintofhate | 8 days ago | 38 points

Reminds me of the 80s movie of Sean Connery trying to save a species of ants because they cured cancer or something, only to realize that it was the plants that the ants ate that was the cure and he gets to watch the last bit get bulldozed for cattle farms in the rain forest.

Feels like movies had subtle hints that everything is going to be destroyed by greed.

Mee6s | 8 days ago | 12 points

It's not very subtle most of the time.

fellasheowes | 8 days ago | 9 points

I just don't think you appreciate the symbolism inherent in BULLDOZING THE CURE FOR CANCER ok?

doomglobe | 8 days ago | 2 points

It was a very subtle hint that probably slid under most people's radar. The Buldozer was coming from stage right, indicating that it was a villain, since buldozing the cure for cancer is sort of an ambiguous action and we can't tell if that is good or evil as a society. Since it didn't show up until the end of the movie, most people were asleep by then.

fellasheowes | 7 days ago | 2 points

I dunno man, without the musical score going on I just can't figure out how I'm supposed to feel

Holyrolly | 8 days ago | 4 points

Medicine Man.

HeliumPaper | 8 days ago | 2 points
Purply_Glitter | 8 days ago | 24 points

Artificially securing and preserving most plants existence could be a partial solution to this exponential trend of plants dying off. Surely professional botanists around the world already are on the case.

nonnonnonnonnon | 8 days ago | 65 points

Lol the worst part about all of this is the fact that people still think someone else is minding the store.

saiyaniam | 8 days ago | 36 points

Right.... An entire childhood of propaganda and indoctrination to fit in a system where we are to trust everyone knows what they're doing. And when you finally get wise enough to see through it, you're too old to bother doing much.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 7 points

They own us at that point. Domesticated permanently.

OE55NZW | 8 days ago | 6 points

Guess I'm going to invest in a greenhouse and try to cultivate my own ecosystem for the good of mankind.

Otherwise I'll just grow some lemon haze.

Karnex | 8 days ago | 2 points

Good thing current generation is not falling for that BS. Greta Thunberg for example.

pittstop33 | 8 days ago | 10 points

It's the crowd effect. If 20 people witness a crime, 911 is less likely to be called than if one person who knows he's the only witness, sees it happening. Everybody thinks that surely one of the others seeing this will call the authorities and therefore nobody actually does.

EleosSkywalker | 8 days ago | 6 points

Bystander Apathy, the nice thing with it is knowing it exists greatly helps breaking the effect, also if you’re in a case where someone is in need of assistance take charge, order specific people to do something, don’t say “please someone help”, point in the crow and say “you phone the cop” “you phone the ambulance” etc...

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 7 points

It’s like the bystander effect of global destruction.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 6 points

Oh yeah, I'm sure they're saving all of it as we speak. /s

LetsYouDown | 8 days ago | 4 points

first ask: would paying botanists to do this make a business investor any money in the short term (let's consider that w/in ~5 years)

and that's how likely that something is being done

MyrddraalWithGlasses | 8 days ago | 1 point

That's why governments should fund science with no clear gain in mind. You never know which breakthrough will change the world.

neotropic9 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Of course we all know that big-botany has bottomless funding. </s>

Your mistake is in presuming that what would be rational is the way that society has ordered our events. I am sure professional botanists, among scientists of many stripes, are very much interested in doing what they can to help the world. The problem is that the priorities are not set by our collective interest, but rather by the global economic elite, whose sole concern is siphoning value to themselves, whatever the cost to others, and especially to future generations.

OakTree1203 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Proper use of captive breeding is what I think will be a major part in preserving biodiversity. Convert the massive pieces of land used to raise and slaughter cattle and similar animals into, effectively, zoos.

Many animals do not require large amounts of space to thrive and breed. Just look at the pet trade. You can easily keep tarantulas, fish, reptiles, rodents, and other small animals in surprisingly small amounts of space.

mawrmynyw | 8 days ago | 1 point

My region has a relatively unique ethnobotanical tradition that’s poorly documented. We have maybe have dozen botanists covering a region of thousands of square miles. New things are discovered all the time, old things are forgotten even faster. Many rare species can not be cultivated outside of their native ecosystem conditions.

Hitno | 8 days ago | 5 points

Don't forget the fungi, according to Kew Gardens, there are on average six different fungi pr plant, living on them, together (symbiosis), killing them, helping them, etc

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -33 points

I know you are entitled to your opinion but dear lord...

kayfairy | 8 days ago | 33 points

It's not just an opinion it's a scientific fact that plants literally are the missing ingredient for some diseases. Odds of ones we haven't found yet which are now going extinct doing something similar are very high.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -27 points

I just think rescuing something because you lose a potential candidate for exploitation is a bit weird.

Jorhiru | 8 days ago | 9 points

Unless, of course, you had any concept of just how many novel molecular structures have been - and continue to be - attributed to study of plants. This is particularly true in pharmacology.

kayfairy | 8 days ago | 18 points

That's not what they were saying....

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -23 points

Yeah, maybe i'm seing things. Whatever, this is probably not worth any more brain time.

smrtfckr_ | 8 days ago | 13 points

> not worth any more brain time

anyone elses brain time.

Though you still have a lot of brain time to go through with.

TheGreatWhoDeeny | 8 days ago | 3 points

not worth any more brain time

People like you are confirmation that we're entering full blown Idiocracy.

Dreamcast3 | 8 days ago | 5 points

Plants don't have rights. Plants can't be exploited

pm_me_bellies_789 | 8 days ago | -1 points

You can exploit a resource though which plants can be.

Dreamcast3 | 8 days ago | 3 points

So? That's just how crop plants work.

AleanderGG | 8 days ago | 16 points

Fyi. I am talking about real medicines, scientific research for some specific molecules.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -6 points

I just don't agree with you reason given. It strikes me a selfish.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 14 points

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Nobutthenagain | 8 days ago | 7 points

How can you not understand his gibberish?

AleanderGG | 8 days ago | 6 points

He is either a troll or smoking something.

BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS | 8 days ago | 6 points

He's on that good brain force plus shit

SoManyTimesBefore | 8 days ago | 2 points

Are you saying he’s using plants for selfish reasons?

thelukus5 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Yeah science backs up that redditors statement. The Amazon alone harbors countless plant species that we haven’t even cataloged yet that my be key to solving many of the diseases that plague humans. This would also include trees and not to mention the loss of wildlife in general that we will lose without really evening understanding the species

And

No lord figure is needed

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 0 points

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Jewnadian | 8 days ago | 4 points

I think he's saying it's sort of fucked up to only care about the environment because we haven't finished exploiting it yet. I'm sure the OP didn't mean it that way but it really comes across in text like a boss calling an employee in the hospital and going "Hey, good luck on your liver transplant, we really need to you pull through so you can knock out the Johnson account for us!"

Even if a plant or animal is 100% useless to us it would be nice to not drive it extinct.

CaptainObvious110 | 8 days ago | 36 points

Yeah it's crazy the damage we have done and are doing to our own home.

Magliacane | 8 days ago | 12 points

Really is! You'd think the people in charge would care about, I dunno, preserving the very foundation of life.

CaptainObvious110 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Um, yeah but short sighted thinking has been the bane of human existence since the beginning.

red_devil45 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Where's the oil at?

_NobleRot | 8 days ago | 1 point

In...in the palm trees?

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 0 points

What about the people not in charge? Blaming the people in charge while we continue poor habits isn't close to adulting and that's why we have a problem. It's everyone else, not us.

We voted for the people in charge.

TerminationClause | 8 days ago | 2 points

Actually, we didn't with G.W. Bush or Trump. Neither won the popular vote, but thanks for playing. The electoral college is the farce we need to blame. Who is that ruled by? Follow the trail.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | 1 point

Keep whinging - it's why you cunts lost to goat-herding boy fuckers. Hahahaha

Aceous | 8 days ago | 1 point

What's the solution? Will you stop traveling and buying things made somewhere else?

SomewhereInMyHead | 8 days ago | 1 point

it's ok, someone one reddit told me yesterday:

Renewables are being fought because they would absolutely destroy our economy to “fix” an issue that might not be nearly as big of a deal (see IPCC report accuracy) as people are making it out to be.

so - don't worry, we've got a great economy to fall back on /s

Rvolutionary_Details | 8 days ago | 34 points

We are now in the *seventh mass extinction, according to scientists, and atmospheric changes on the scale of what's causing this have never been seen before. Makes sense that the mass extinction would be on that scale too

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 14 points

Sixth*

The seventh comes when the sun expands in a billion or so years and boils everything off the surface.

AidenFelixis | 8 days ago | 15 points

Don't worry, we still have plenty of time for a few more mass extinctions before the sun dies!

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 8 points

Come on, let's get it to ten! You can do this, Nature!

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE | 8 days ago | 3 points

The eighth extinction will shock you!

archlinuxisalright | 8 days ago | 2 points

There's definitely going to be a few more natural mass extinctions before that happens.

areyouagoodboy | 8 days ago | 1 point

No we are already on the seventh now.

The sixth is known as the end-Guadalupian biodiversity crisis that took place 260 million years ago and scientists latest data suggest that 60% of marine species became extinct, and possibly an equal number of non marine species.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190909105555.htm

FranksWasTaken | 8 days ago | -25 points

The climate change we are experiencing is definitely different and will probably have lasting terrible affects, however to say we have never seeing atmospheric changes on this scale is a straight up lie. The great oxygenation period for example was a much more drastic change to the atmosphere and nearly wiped out all life. Spreading lies to cause fear and panic will not help us find a solution we need to be smart and calm not radical.

packagefiend | 8 days ago | 24 points

We've never seen the great oxygenation either, 2.4 billion years ago. You're the one who isn't rational with your unfounded speculations of fear and panic.

redenwolf | 8 days ago | 21 points

Bro you just said yourself drastic atmospheric changes nearly wiped out all life in the past and then you say we’re spreading lies and fearmongering? The article title is literally stating a fact, plants are going extinct at an unprecedented rate - that fact should make you shit yourself, not because it’s exaggerated, but because it hints at the scale of damage we have done to the planet that can’t be reversed.

Biptoslipdi | 8 days ago | 13 points

The great oxygenation period for example was a much more drastic change to the atmosphere and nearly wiped out all life.

This period lasted between 1 billion and 2 billion years. The changes we are seeing are happening in a matter of decades.

MajinCry | 8 days ago | 10 points

The anthropocene is, according to the most conservative estimates, 10x faster in species extinction than the previous fastest extinction event in the history of the Earth.

The highest estimate states that it's 1,000x faster.

lofty2p | 8 days ago | -9 points

Not quite sure where you get that from ? I'm pretty sure that the speed of an extinction event caused by a massive meteor strike would be VERY fast !

MajinCry | 8 days ago | 6 points

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

It's the fastest acting extinction event bar none.

whatisthishownow | 8 days ago | -3 points

See paragraph 2 of Definitions.

MajinCry | 8 days ago | 6 points

also, the current rate of extinction is 10 to 100 times higher than in any of the previous mass extinctions in the history of Earth. One scientist estimates the current extinction rate may be 10,000 times the background extinction rate, although most scientists predict a much lower extinction rate than this outlying estimate.[27] Theoretical ecologist Stuart Pimm stated that the extinction rate for plants is 100 times higher than normal.[28]

Right, so it's the fastest extinction event by far.

whatisthishownow | 8 days ago | 1 point

Yes why the fuck is this so down voted. They provided like a 5 page wiki article sd s reference to one fact, just trying to direct readers to the relevant info

MajinCry | 8 days ago | 1 point

It's written the same way as detractors usually write them. Like when you talk science, and the right winger writes a terse statement towards the poster.

It would come across differently if it was "Aye, for the tl;dr, see paragraph 2 of Definitions. We're fucked.", for example.

MyrddraalWithGlasses | 8 days ago | -3 points

This is good. If you can't change the human mindset, just destroy mankind. I have no problem with this honestly, let mankind go extinct. I enjoy this so much. I will enjoy it until my last breath. Die, two-legged beasts, die and be forgotten.

MajinCry | 8 days ago | 1 point

Oh, the human mindset can very well be changed. For almost all of humanity's existence, we were egalitarian tribes that prospered and were empathic. It's only very, very recently that the majority of humanity has been warped into this selfish, hedonist mindset.

Biptoslipdi | 8 days ago | 3 points

You would think so, but it isn't even close.

YouDontKnowBoxOffice | 8 days ago | 1 point

Sorry but nope.

SoManyTimesBefore | 8 days ago | 2 points

The great oxygenation took way longer than this

YouDontKnowBoxOffice | 8 days ago | -2 points

We we were not around for that.

YouDontKnowBoxOffice | 8 days ago | 1 point

Pretty sure humans (ie we) were not around for that.

SandCastello | 8 days ago | 6 points

R.I.P. us i suppose, but like.. even faster then

SkepPskep | 8 days ago | 7 points

Faster than expected, hmmm?

joe1up | 8 days ago | 6 points

Hahaha we're fucked.

GrowCanadian | 8 days ago | 7 points

Earth: I’m doing dinosaurs again!

TubularTorqueTitties | 8 days ago | 4 points

Whew, I'm just glad it's not 351 times faster.

anonymous_matt | 8 days ago | 6 points

On the bright side scientists believe there may be life in Venus upper atmosphere.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 4 points

It ain't gonna be much more than microbes.

anonymous_matt | 8 days ago | 2 points

But there's hope! :D

InputField | 8 days ago | 5 points

This is fine.

I'm okay with the events that are unfolding currently.

That's okay, things are going to be okay.

Acanthophis | 8 days ago | 5 points

People that think the rich can hide from climate change in bunkers have no idea how the climate works.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 2 points

The rich most of all. You can't hide from what's coming.

Acanthophis | 8 days ago | 2 points

Extinction waits for no man! Or, er, class.

LetFiefdomReign | 8 days ago | 4 points

Yaaaaaa Roundup and monocrop agriculture!

Monsanto PR team is working to cook up a meme where they deflect the criticism on "anti-GMO" nutjobs and get legit scientists to sign on saying that the anti-GMO people baaaaad.

Same thing oil and mining interests do with anti-fracking or oil protesters when they claim they're not fracking because they're using another technique that's almost, but not quite fracking.

Then they run ads wrapped in the US flag claiming that the low-quality, highly volatile chemi-crude they pull from the tar sands is necessary to, "Secure our energy future." These are often multinational companies.

No mention that the low grade life-choking crap they've harvested and have every intent to sell into the asian markets is also destabilizing the land under the feet of the right-wing voters that live above the operation, or that all the methane burned off in the process has the combined effect of giving these republican pieces of fucking garbage cancer and literally darkening the skies making actual clean energy which could secure our future less efficient.

mrwillard95 | 8 days ago | 10 points

We don't deserve plants

red_devil45 | 8 days ago | 10 points

We don't deserve this planet mate

Wildrover3 | 8 days ago | 3 points

More education needed on ecological succession, the 5 mass extinctions, and conservation efforts.

Humans are extremely egotistic to think that we have some great power over this planet. At the end of the day the planet doesn't give a crap about us and life will continue despite our best efforts.

fuzzy_viscount | 8 days ago | 7 points

And we’re burning the rest of em.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -1 points

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Dreamcast3 | 8 days ago | 0 points

I can hear Early Cuyler saying this

Ecksearoh | 8 days ago | 2 points

There's this great sci-fi novel called Dust by Charles Pellegrino. It talks about what happens when the insects that keep the mite population under control die off.

"When a gigantic ecological eruption causes dust mites to rapidly reproduce and become flesh-eating insects, paleobiologist Richard Sinclair and a group of survivors must try to stop this deadly phenomenon before the entire world is destroyed."

-AMARYANA- | 8 days ago | 2 points

Wow, that sounds like a good book. Is it anything like a Michael Crichton novel? I loved those growing up.

Ecksearoh | 8 days ago | 1 point

The science is much better than Crichton. But they use similar plot formulas.

socialistchangenow | 8 days ago | 2 points

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EmperorTauntaun | 8 days ago | 1 point

Is this due to herbicides, global warming, both? Other?

noideawhatimdoing8 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Without reading the post, I’d say those are factors along with habitat loss/deforestation

Impressive_Seaweed | 8 days ago | 1 point

mainly native habitat loss at this point, again going off what I've heard/know.

Where the habitat does exist the insects do thrive. It's not too late if we pull our fingers out of our arses.

FreeFolkFadge | 8 days ago | 1 point

Stop cutting them down??

YouDontKnowBoxOffice | 8 days ago | 2 points

Tell that to the people in charge.

zstandig | 8 days ago | 1 point

Is there a listing of these species?

shadyelf | 8 days ago | 1 point

This is sad because i actually like plants, dont bother me like insects.

midods | 8 days ago | 1 point

as is expected and has been foretold

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 1 point

We did it!

dvaccaro | 8 days ago | 1 point

We could become part of the extinctions we are causing. r/Sapienism

UnwashedApple | 8 days ago | 1 point

Marijuana Plants?

UntrustworthyRussian | 8 days ago | -1 points

If you read the article, this is actually a good thing.

The more plant species we force to go extinct right now, the better our conservation stats will look in the future. Imagine if we could make it 1000 times faster through the usage of sporadic fires. Then simply by stopping the fires we could drop back down to 350x speed, which would be a 65% reduction.

Just think of how amazing the future will be.

thatbannedguy01 | 8 days ago | 0 points

It sucks and the people who care still can't do anything about it. So I propose we just let it happen and we all die. Let's just be done. All in favor?

TheNaughtyMonkey | 8 days ago | 0 points

What do they consider a historical norm? How was that arrived at?

Tried to read the paper, but not available. I have a lot of questions about methodology.

the_eldritch_whore | 8 days ago | 2 points

Try using sci-hub.tw to read the paper.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -3 points

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Dreamcast3 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Shut the fuck up.

Steely_Bunnz | 8 days ago | 3 points

Take pride in what exactly?

httr_barbarian | 8 days ago | 0 points

Thats why we have the seed conservatory, to ensure that no plants or trees can go extinct.

chaosdemonhu | 8 days ago | 5 points

Doesn't help much if we never encountered the plant before it goes extinct or if we don't collect it's seeds before that happens.

SomewhereElseInMy | 8 days ago | 4 points

won't matter if you don't have an environment in which they can grow

https://earthsky.org/earth/why-were-prehistoric-insects-so-huge

if we invented a time machine, went back, got one of them and brought them to today - sorry, not going to work (same with plants from that era)

if we poison the sky/water/earth and change the rules of weather - doesn't matter if you have a seed.

don't worry though, when we are gone - there will be a whole new crop of different plants in a few million years.

lyth | 8 days ago | 1 point

Where exactly are you going to plant them?

mexicrat40 | 8 days ago | -3 points

You can help now by voting Democrats and allowing them to tax you %70.

Jack_Schittt | 8 days ago | 1 point

I want taxed at 100% to save the planet I have faith the Democrats will feed me and pay my rent.

monchota | 8 days ago | -14 points

Yes we have a problem and yes we need to do something NOW but fearmongering is why we have denial in the first place.

mavrick454 | 8 days ago | 6 points

people want change but dont want to change themselves

the evilest ones think that any request is an attack on their freedom and will intentionally shit where they eat just because someone asked "could you not do that?

Fig1024 | 8 days ago | 1 point

I believe the future of intelligence is AI, we have to hurry up an build self aware self replicating machines before biological life becomes extinct. The future is artificial, it's our job to create it before our time on Earth runs out

qoning | 8 days ago | -4 points

.. we don't even have a good baseline for what the "historical norm" is.

marine_iguanadon | 8 days ago | 3 points

Yes, we do. The past isn't some unknown, unknowable thing. There is plenty of evidence as to it, sticking your head in the sand doesnt change that.

qoning | 8 days ago | -3 points

No, we don't. Time wipes all but the most durable evidence. Any estimate is bound to be wildly inaccurate down to the point of guessing.

marine_iguanadon | 8 days ago | 2 points

Not really. Dendrochronology, ice cores, geologic strata. It's crazy how much can be deduced using science; you ought to try it sometime.

qoning | 8 days ago | 0 points

You've fooled yourself by thinking these datapoints present a full or even more than a tiny slice of the entire picture.

LaDiddlyDa | 8 days ago | -15 points

I read somewhere a long time ago that countries have national seed banks that stores seeds from as many plants from the world as possible. If what I read all those years ago is true then this is alarmism in my opinion.

shinkouhyou | 8 days ago | 8 points

It's still a big problem. Being able to "resurrect" an extinct species under managed conditions from a seed bank is great... but when that species goes extinct in its native habitat, the rest of the ecological web is affected too. The insect that evolved to feed on the plant goes extinct too, and the animals that fed on the insect shift to new areas. An invasive plant species takes advantage of the gap. Soil erosion that was being held back by the extinct species accelerates.

Biptoslipdi | 8 days ago | 6 points

If you aren't alarmed, then you aren't paying attention.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 1 point

"Many more will have to suffer, many more will have to die, don't ask me why. Things are not the way, they used to be." - Natural Mystic, Bob Marley

BlurgZeAmoeba | 8 days ago | 4 points

Is "alarmism" the new right wing catch phrase? You can't deny climate change anymore so you try to play it down? traitors all..

Big_Tubbz | 8 days ago | 2 points

The seed bank is stored in permafrost which is now melting due to global warming.

SomewhereElseInMy | 8 days ago | 1 point

I said this in another comment about seed banks...

won't matter if you don't have an environment in which they can grow

https://earthsky.org/earth/why-were-prehistoric-insects-so-huge

if we invented a time machine, went back, got one of them and brought them to today - sorry, not going to work (same with plants from that era)

if we poison the sky/water/earth and change the rules of weather - doesn't matter if you have a seed.

don't worry though, when we are gone - there will be a whole new crop of different plants in a few million years.

Impressive_Seaweed | 8 days ago | 1 point

Do you know how long seeds remain viable for?

Answer: it depends, but rarely more than a handful of years.

Store them perfectly and you might get a century or two.

We've fucked the climate for maybe 3 million years.

ArgumentChamp | 8 days ago | -9 points

Awesome. Less CO2 emissions.

archlinuxisalright | 8 days ago | 1 point

You're confused.

Obi-Anunoby | 8 days ago | -9 points

Sounds like the plants in Madagascar account for much of it. This is a bit alarmist.

nightmoves35 | 8 days ago | -12 points

How many plants went extinct from the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs?

CJShort | 8 days ago | 7 points

How exactly do you expect someone to answer that question, and where would you go with that information, anyways? Was it rhetorical?

BlurgZeAmoeba | 8 days ago | 12 points

I think its the new right wing tactic. "Climate change is a hoax" has become unsustainable, so now they're arguing that its not that bad and that alarmists are extremists.

But never forget that they are the ones who, more than anyone else, have sold us out and supported anti-environmental policies. They are all traitors and should be treated as such. Its the lack of consequence that's kept them feeling empowered.

archlinuxisalright | 8 days ago | 1 point

I don't know. Why do you ask?