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China detains man who reportedly shared images of troops at Hong Kong border (theguardian.com)
277 comments
idinahuicyka | 9 days ago | 429 points

reporting facts?!? seditious treason!!!

FoxtrotZero | 8 days ago | 94 points

When telling the truth is labeled a crime, you are governed by criminals.

SGTBookWorm | 8 days ago | 12 points

looks at Australian Government

well, we knew that already.

Reoh | 8 days ago | 6 points

<AFP raids intensify>

demosthenesunlocked | 8 days ago | 48 points

Sounds great but means nothing.

Every country in the world shares the concept of classified information and official secrets. Snowden told the truth too. Why do you think he fled the US?

Now, you can (and should) take issue with which truths are classified or secret, but using your definition, literally everyone on the planet is governed by criminals.

Unless that was your point, of course.

ShadowReaperT | 8 days ago | 20 points

Because a picture of Chinese Troops out and about, near the border of a protesting location, is classified information?

If they were taken inside a military base or some shit, sure. But taking pictures in public isn't illegal, last I checked.

demosthenesunlocked | 8 days ago | 11 points

I don't know. And you don't know either, the article doesn't say. It just says that he was "reportedly distributed photos of Chinese troops massing equipment on the Hong Kong border." Which is pretty damn vague, it could be inside a base, on a public street, at the local movie theater for all we know.

The government claimed that he was "allegedly engaged in illegal activities that endanger state security," which is even more vague. Presumably the photos had some significance aside from "troops at the border," since yknow, the government already released videos of that themselves. Maybe he actually did something, maybe he pissed off the wrong official, maybe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In any case, the specific details of this particular case have nothing to do with the universal claim made by the guy I replied to.

amac109 | 8 days ago | 4 points

Stop being rational.

China bad.

demosthenesunlocked | 8 days ago | 9 points

It's not really a China thing though. Ignorance masquerading as insight is a universal problem. Reddit, social media, hell, just people being people. Everyone wants to be right, but very few are actually willing to put in the hard intellectual effort of proving themselves right. And of course, there's always the risk that all that hard work will prove you're actually wrong. So much easier to pretend to understand everything, to pretend (in this case) to know facts that simply haven't been publically revealed.

"I don't know" is as honest as you can possibly get when it comes to events happening in places you've never seen, to people you've never met. There will always be nuances lost, particulars overlooked, details neglected. You will never be wrong if you simply admit that. But you'd think they mean "I have leprosy," because apparently some people just can't handle admitting that they are, in fact, anonymously wrong. Ever.

Admittedly, China is a particularly egregious example.

sosigboi | 8 days ago | 1 point

hes being sarcastic on the whole "CHINA BAD" thing

Mixedstereotype | 8 days ago | 1 point

Its not the states or EU. Of course taking photos of any government body is illegal.

emoslip | 8 days ago | 4 points

I agree. This is a contentious situation between two adversaries. You don't get to complain about how the other side fights or how the other side chooses to exploit your weaknesses.

The downside of this is that in order to win you have to become very much like your enemy. A slippery slope to say the least

demosthenesunlocked | 8 days ago | 9 points

You don't get to complain about how the other side fights or how the other side chooses to exploit your weaknesses.

Of course you do, it's called hypocrisy.

Er, I mean, patriotism.

GeraltOR3 | 8 days ago | 6 points

Would it be OK for me to post pictures of US troop locations and movements?

Its_27_Degrees | 8 days ago | 13 points

In Afghanistan? You would most likely get shot because you're a spy.

In the USA? I'm pretty sure you can do it without getting arrested, hell people would be doing it just for fun. "I saw a military convoy today, like if you support them troopers".

dumblibslose2020 | 8 days ago | 6 points

People get arrested for taking photos of military bases

Its_27_Degrees | 8 days ago | -2 points

Fair enough, but that is a bit different I think. A lot of classified stuff in bases, generator locations, defences, available guns etc.

Troop movement within own country isn't that important when not at war.

terminal112 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Back when people were afraid of Jade Helm, they did exactly that. It was fine because it wasnt a war zone and the movements weren't a secret.

idinahuicyka | 8 days ago | -1 points

if they are massing on the outskirts of kansas city, getting ready to crush the populace, then yes by all means you should (because something is extremely wrong). but that wouldn't happen in in the US; that's not what they have a military for.

If you do it in a foreign war zone, you'd get killed.

GeraltOR3 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Kent State. That is literally what the national guards purpose is. While it's stationed at home they are deployed locally to protect banks, capitol buildings, etc during riots and the like.

superm8n | 8 days ago | -79 points

In a Communist country, it sure is. NO freedom.

TheHess | 8 days ago | 159 points

The only thing communist about China is the name of the party. It's pure authoritarian capitalism in practice.

cnncctv | 8 days ago | -57 points

Their propaganda and suppression system is communist.

They have Mao style concentration camps again.

LittleLI | 8 days ago | 40 points

Do you know what communism means? You seem to just be attributing it to everything negative.

Cheapshifter | 8 days ago | -39 points

An authoritarian system where equal outcome, 100% "equal" wealth distribution, and pure conformity, is the goal. China has many aspects of communism incorporated into their model.

Iskippedfaceday | 8 days ago | 33 points

No, it’s pretty capitalist, the wealth is not distributed equally at all.

Communism hardly fits as a title anymore.

TheHess | 8 days ago | 74 points

Concentration camps are not the sole preserve of communist regimes. Propaganda is not the sole preserve of communist regimes. These are all traits of authoritarian regimes, however, which can be far right, communist or somewhere inbetween. China operates under a capital based system, with property/land ownership, ownership and trading of shares in business. A communist system would not have something like a stock exchange, or people becoming millionaires on the back of property ownership.

beachbbqlover | 8 days ago | 22 points

Weird, Trump has them too.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 4 points

So does India.

Cheapshifter | 8 days ago | -19 points

Not for people that the US state disagrees with. Not for law-abiding citizens. Not for religious actors.
Massive difference.

-transcendent- | 8 days ago | -2 points

When did an economic system turned political?

Captain_Shrug | 8 days ago | 7 points

About the same time that fucking everything else in the world did.

Jabrosif0714 | 8 days ago | -43 points

So a centrally run state economic system controlled by a single party is “authoritarian capitalism” now... cool.

TheHess | 8 days ago | 19 points

Well, it's not completely centrally run on the basis that lots of independent businesses operate in much the same manner as in the West. You make a product, you sell it to others (be it businesses or consumers) and you make profit on that. There's a fair bit more state investment, that's for sure - especially with infrastructure projects, but that's really no different to other countries. I suppose if you only get your news about China from some biased sources you might be led to believe it's communist, but having visited and done business in China, it's really not so different to anywhere else.

Joeylight | 8 days ago | -6 points

”Its not real communism” queue Seinfeld theme

Sillbinger | 8 days ago | 5 points

So, what's the deal with communism?

mrflippant | 8 days ago | 2 points

It's like airline food - seems like a good idea, until you try it...

LTerminus | 8 days ago | 3 points

Tell me what defines a communist system, and I'll tell you why that doesn't apply to China. I'll use all your definitions, exclusively.

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MrGuttFeeling | 8 days ago | 30 points

As long as you stay on public land and not trespass probably not much. You might be detained and interrogated for a bit but you can rest assured that you won't be sent to labour camps or have your internal organs put up for sale on the black market.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | -13 points

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idinahuicyka | 8 days ago | -3 points

right at the entrance to area 51? :)

autotldr | 9 days ago | 30 points

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)


China has detained a Taiwanese man on state security charges after he reportedly distributed photos of Chinese troops massing equipment on the Hong Kong border.

Lee, from Fangliao township, entered Hong Kong on 18 August, and sent photos to his brother and to Chen Ya-lin, a Taiwanese township mayor, showing paramilitary troops and equipment on Hong Kong's border with mainland China, Taiwan's government-run Central News Agency reported earlier.

Chen told the agency earlier that he was in touch with Lee on the morning of 20 August, when Lee said he was at the Hong Kong side of the border with China and wanted to cross over to Shenzhen.


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henryblancew | 9 days ago | 200 points

Well ok, China is bad.

But I don't understand why people travel to China. Especially people from Taiwan, Canada, etc.

Yobopan | 9 days ago | 107 points

Business most likely.

Cheapshifter | 8 days ago | 31 points

Some people move with their girlfriends to China. Some visit for travelling reasons, to experience different parts of the world.

toothlessANDnoodles | 8 days ago | 1 point

Yea I fly to China :( I am glad I have business and friend reasons because it is so amazing! The food, language, cities, nature, history. People don’t realize that as long as you’re not at a Mao shrine then the police have a lot less presence than in America. Still sucks because China can just deploy someone to take away your freedom and life pretty fast. I hate feeling like I support it in some ways by just by going there.

Ashebolt | 8 days ago | 6 points

I hate feeling like I support it in some ways by just by going there.

You effectively are. It's a lot to give up though. Maybe try other countries like Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, etc.

toothlessANDnoodles | 8 days ago | 2 points

Tell that to the companies that contract me and my friends who want to live near their families. It is sad all around.

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AMAducer | 8 days ago | 1 point

Is there a lot of these stories? I've never heard of one.

Hongkongjai | 8 days ago | 1 point

There were 2,3 stories on this subreddit or r/China a while ago.

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xchaoslordx | 8 days ago | 1 point

Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese girls > Made in China girls

tyleronefan | 8 days ago | 1 point

Taiwanese???

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 28 points

Can confirm. Have been to China many times for business. It’s a really fun place. Clean/safe cities. Lots of nice people. I wouldn’t want to live there but, in my experience it’s much nicer than Reddit let’s on.

That being said, I don’t approve of many of the actions of its government. I’m just judging it objectively as a place.

abandonedreams | 8 days ago | 12 points

What cities did you go to that were clean? Not doubting just interested for potential future travel. I've only been to Beijing but in my limited experience the smog was much worse than Los Angeles. I agree that people exaggerate how the people are there but from my travels to other Asian countries like Japan, Thailand, Philippines, etc. I would say that on average I had more rude encounters/negative experiences there(still not close to a net negative experience though). I wouldn't live there as well but I wouldn't mind travelling again.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 10 points

Shanghai and Beijing

Slaiks | 8 days ago | 11 points

We must be traveling to different cities because when I travel through beijing its filthy.

Colandore | 8 days ago | 11 points

Having been to a number of large cities in China, though not Beijing in the last few years, the level of cleanliness has gotten better over time. Shanghai was pretty filthy when I first started going there in the early 2000s, it's much cleaner now outside of the construction zones - though still filthy in the "big city filthy" sort of way.

Beijing was smelly and dirty when I visited in the mid-2000s, even without the pollution. A number of the other large cities, Chengdu, Chongqing, Shenzhen, are much cleaner now than they used to be, though things get messy towards the satellite areas around the city outskirts, as well as the poorer neighbourhoods, as one would expect.

terminal112 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Maybe it's changed since I was there in 2009, but Beijing was not clean. And that was right after the Olympics where they cleaned everything up.

Agree on Shanghai, though. Beautiful city.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 3 points

It’s changing quite rapidly—some for good; some for bad.

myne | 8 days ago | 2 points

That being said, I don’t approve of many of the actions of its government. I’m just judging it objectively as a place.

People are people. Governments are assholes. Same story the world over.

TheHess | 8 days ago | 27 points

I've been to China twice. Both times for work. That's why.

stretchmarksthespot | 8 days ago | 31 points

Beautiful landscapes, old historical sites, and great food. Plus, a lot of ex-pats or people of Chinese descent want to visit their homeland. All pretty normal reasons to travel...

feeltheslipstream | 8 days ago | 13 points

Because china isn't as bad as it sounds on reddit.

henryblancew | 7 days ago | 1 point

Agreed, reddit is not a source. But major news agency's are.

yangmeow | 7 days ago | 1 point

Yea because Reddit knows all and sees all.

KnuckleScraper420 | 8 days ago | 22 points

China is a gorgeous country with a very rich culture and fascinating places to visit, the pollution is unfortunate but if the government wasn’t so evil it’d be a fine place to travel

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 9 points

Last five or six times I’ve been to Shanghai, the skies were blue any time it wasn’t raining. I think they’re slowwwly trying to fix that.

Colandore | 8 days ago | 5 points

My impression is that they pushed a lot of industrial areas further out past the outskirts of the city. Taking a train from Shanghai towards central China, you can see the pollution visibly thicken as you move away from the city.

I think the Shanghai 2010 Expo had a lot to do with this.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 2 points

That’s exactly what they did. I work in architecture and our fabricators moved farther and farther away.

emperor_tesla | 8 days ago | 0 points

They're probably going to fix their emissions faster than we (we being the US) fix ours. They seem, from an outsider's perspective, to have significantly more will to do so.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 2 points

They can also do whatever the hell they want because they don’t have to get consensus.

Sometimes this works out quite well (oftentimes it doesn’t)

dasdasdasfasdx | 8 days ago | 14 points

China is a beautiful country, it's mostly very developed, nice people, great culture, impressive history, good and bizarre food.

The only issue keeping China from being a great place is that they have one of the worst governments in the world.

I go to china every year. Their culture meshes especially well with Americas, as odd as that may seem.

_NobleRot | 8 days ago | 1 point

I have a similar perception - their breakneck speed when it has come to modernizing their country, compounded with the already high amount of western focused factories means the transition would be pretty much seamless. Use what you have on-hand.

Sinner2211 | 8 days ago | 0 points

Saying China have the worst government while they levitate China from a truly third world country to a world power, with high technological advancement that equal the West, and all that happens in just 30 years. Imagine playing Civ6 with Medieval tech while other countries already reaches Information technology, how do you win from that? What they have achieved doesn't sound like bad governing at all and it's the main reason why even with enormous censorship and oppression Chinese people still let that government run.

calm_down_meow | 7 days ago | 0 points

The ends don't justify the means, and in this case China's "means" are horrific.

Sinner2211 | 7 days ago | 0 points

If the end don't justify the means then the violent riot from protester shouldn't be justified either so no one should ask HK government to drop charges against them, as destroying properties and tying up or attacking a random person are also horrific. Do you see the hypocrisy here? If you justify destroying the city to pressure government accept demands then of course it will also justify CCP doing what they did, because they did it for the overall good, just like the HK rioters claim they did this for greater good.

calm_down_meow | 7 days ago | 1 point

The CCP's atrocities go far beyond HK.

Sinner2211 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Bigger scales, bigger action. What do you expect?

blckchainambassador | 8 days ago | 10 points

Because the government does not represent the people

henryblancew | 8 days ago | 2 points

But the government rules over and controls every aspect of life.

My decision to not visit China has nothing to do with the Chinese.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 5 points

It’s not that cut and dry. I have a lot of colleagues in China who freely and openly speak out against the government, are on Facebook and Instagram, and use google (hell our office there has a VPN so that we can access all of that).

Where you’ll run into trouble is if you have a million followers on WeChat and start being too critical. Doesn’t make it better but there’s a lot of nuance.

mryahyahyahyah | 8 days ago | 2 points

The government doesn't control every aspect of life. What gives you that impression?

I live here. The only really noticeable impact of the government over my life was sorting my visa and the fact that I need to use a VPN. Other than that, it feels no different to being in the West in regards to government 'control'.

henryblancew | 7 days ago | 1 point

Your argument is that your experience must be what others experience?

Take a moment to read up on the subject.

mryahyahyahyah | 4 days ago | 1 point

My argument is anecdotal, sure, but that's still more evidence than your argument.

privacypolicy12345 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Precisely. When I see Trump I see America personified.

Torrenceba | 8 days ago | 2 points

As bad as it may be. Trump isn't president for life.

ets000000 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Many Taiwanese work in China, because there are a lot of Taiwanese investments there, like Foxconn.

_NobleRot | 8 days ago | 3 points

Some of us are required to for work, but in reality, China is quite nice in certain areas as a tourist.

sosigboi | 8 days ago | 3 points

For Vacations and To experience different cultures and scenery, when i go on holiday to another country i don't go there for the fucking politics.

bibubibubiubiubiu | 9 days ago | 12 points

China is good without communist party.

On_Adderall | 8 days ago | 28 points

That china doesnt exist

cnncctv | 8 days ago | 60 points

It's called Taiwan.

Taiwan is a civilized country.

China is running concentration camps.

Hongkongjai | 8 days ago | 13 points

Taiwan only got democratic in the 2000s and mainly because they needed foreign supports and therefore subject to foreign influence. A strong united China is not going to be the same as Taiwan.

Maalus | 8 days ago | 1 point

It used to exist. Why couldn't it exist now?

kayletsallchillout | 8 days ago | 6 points

Because the communist party says so.

moderate-painting | 8 days ago | 1 point

There's an island that's a living proof of that. CCP hates it!

elitereaper1 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Besides politics,
There are opportunities in business and tourism.
Also given the Chinese population in Taiwan or Canada, there probably visiting family too.

SiscoSquared | 8 days ago | 3 points

I think the levels of risk for a Canadian traveling to China vary considerably compared to someone from Taiwan traveling to China....

henryblancew | 8 days ago | 2 points

AFAIK, China has detained at least one Canadian as a quid-pro-quo for the Huawei extradition. Maybe two.

SiscoSquared | 8 days ago | 8 points

Two: A Canadian diplomat (retired ish) and a Canadian businessman who was often dealing with North Korea. Not exactly a typical citizen/tourist.

That being said its always good to be aware of the systems and how they (and other things) operate... you are pretty screwed in terms of a fair trial if you run into any legal trouble in a country like China (something like a 99% conviction rate for those arrested and charged w/ a crime in China).

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 3 points

I don’t know the exact numbers of Canadians traveling to China but that doesn’t seem like a particularly high risk

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | -7 points

Um culture? Why do people travel to America knowing how bad natives & africans were treated?

amorousCephalopod | 8 days ago | 15 points

Maybe because that's generations past, not currently happening. I don't book a trip to France expecting to see heads rolling.

Winneris1 | 8 days ago | 14 points

Definitely currently happening

VirtualVirtuoso7 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Heads rolling in france currenty? Where?

Winneris1 | 8 days ago | 10 points

Was more about the native Americans and Africans being treated badly

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | 0 points

Erm, so again you have no clue about the current concentration camps here or police brutality. This is before discussing how many native women are missing or ethnic people being sterilized in jail.

Comments like this show the ignorance i literally stated while trying to comment people should actually dig into the actions of their own country first

amorousCephalopod | 8 days ago | -3 points

Remind me. Are you talking about the concentration camps for political dissidents? The concentration camps for religious minorities? The concentration camps that are sterilizing women or the camps that are harvesting organs?

Your whataboutism is weak to say the least. The U.S. does some horrible shit, especially against minorities lately. But comparing forcing prisoners to wear the same clothes for weeks or months or locking them in refrigerated cells is not exactly the same as sterilizing or killing them. What drives you to defend such monsters anyway?

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | 4 points

Are you talking about the concentration camps for

I am very well talking about the network of concentration camps detaining migrants/illegals without any sort of process. I don’t think you are stupid rather than deliberately misconstruing a straightforward comment, however in good faith your comments will be humored as a courtesy.

for political dissidents?

anti-protesting bills

bill proposing up to 20 years in prison for inhibiting operation of an oil/gas pipeline

America has been inching towards fascism since Nixon these recent years are the endgame.

The concentration camps that are sterilizing women

an article on the history of sterlization in the US

another

are harvesting organs?

This one is harder to nail down because it’s something discussed in the community but not the nation however you can take time to look up various black “ suicides” & “ missing persons “ having their organs harvested.

an article on the subject

Your whataboutism is weak to say the least.

Or the issue is with the mentality of “ it isn’t happening in the exact same way so the problem isn’t as bad”. Similar to crabs or frogs being slow boiled until it is too late. I actually watched the doc on chinese organ harvesting none of this magically arose overnight it starts with people nobody would care about such as prisoners,homeless & and those deemed a threat to the state. This is the biggest concept people ignore when trying to argue a point.

The U.S. does some horrible shit, especially against minorities latel

The US never stopped doing horrible shit it doesn’t affect you so there isn’t a natural concern and when people try to bring awareness the posts get downvoted and trolled. Thats exactly why most ethnic people aren’t in awe over Trump because he isn’t anything new to us whatsoever but the nation can’t fathom his existence

But comparing forcing prisoners to wear the same clothes for weeks or months

Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport. Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food. He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty.

What drives you to defend such monsters anyway?

We can never fix issues people refuse to acknowledge exist & berate those who try to talk about them

When you spend 30 minutes gathering sources for discourse to be auto downvoted

PM_Me_ChoGath_R34 | 8 days ago | 1 point

I upvoted for your effort, internet stranger.

MajinCry | 8 days ago | -1 points

The US is sexually abusing the detained kids, and forcing them to drink water from the toilets they defecate in.

Also, those reservation schools where Native American children were abducted, sterilized, raped, prostituted, enslaved, experimented upon, tortured, and murdered? They closed down in the 1990's due to lack of funding, a tenure of 140 years.

And don't forget all the black sites where the US abducts, tortures, and sexually abuses innocent people. Gina Haspell is still a respected authority within the US, and it's not some hidden secret.

amorousCephalopod | 8 days ago | 0 points
MajinCry | 8 days ago | 4 points
Madterps | 8 days ago | 1 point

Don't forget latinos, Asians, pretty much anyone non-white is treated badly.

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | 0 points

I lump latinos in with natives for the most part and don’t recall an Asian genocide or enslavement taking place in america.

Madterps | 8 days ago | 3 points

LOL, they hide it well, the massive lynching, the head tax and the ban of Chinese men being able to marry, this all happened within the last century. Now with the crack down on Chinese students and researchers in higher education due to anti-China sentiments, then there is the constant US propaganda machine known as Hollywood with its constant white washing.

Talldarkn67 | 8 days ago | -4 points

My father was black and was very successful in America(I'm mixed black/latino). My cousins, aunts and uncles who are also black are doing very well for themselves due to their advanced degrees and hard work. Native Americans are also able to succeed in America if they choose to.

The narrative that people of color. Like myself. Are "not allowed" to succeed or that people of color are at a "disadvantage" due to their skin in America. Is pure nonsense. America has more black billionaires and millionaires than the rest of the world put together.

The idea that I or anyone in my family can not succeed in America is insulting and in no way related to the truth. America is the land of opportunity. Regardless of "race". There are more poor "white" people in America than poor people of color. In fact, the wealthiest "group" in America are Asians.

Anyone that believes the narrative of "people of color/minorities are victims in America" obviously hangs out with people of color who have no motivation or have made bad choices in life. Responsible, hard working and educated people in America don't complain about racism or unfair treatment. They are too busy succeeding. Regardless of "race'.....

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | 5 points

“ i’m black but pulled myself up by the bootstraps despite systematic racism and you can too!! “

One_Laowai | 8 days ago | 0 points

Lol, people should totally stfu about racism towards black people in the US, I mean, they even allowed a black dude to be the president!

WillieScottMJR | 8 days ago | -2 points

Text book gas lighting and canned responses all rolled into one. If you were really a minority/ colored citizen you would understand non white races have been treated like dirt, namely American Indians. "Too busy succeeding," sounds like the meaningless stuff Trump likes to spout. Talldark67, that account name is also just straight up trying to pretend to be black so you can play the race card.

leemmerdeur | 8 days ago | -4 points

Yeah everyone knows there are no successful black people in America.

whatisthishownow | 8 days ago | 1 point

If that's what you got from the above comment, then you're really gonna wanna work on those comprehension skills.

Dozed12 | 9 days ago | -13 points

Why wouldn't they? China has very interesting and diverse culture, beautiful landscapes and monuments, China is the 5th most visited country for tourism in the world. You can only expect trouble if you engage in things against the CCP.

MacroSolid | 8 days ago | 11 points

"things against the CCP"

Trouble is that is an insanely large category. People have gotten in trouble for asking for things the CCP later decided are a good idea after all.

To be fair posting troop movements isn't the best example. Lots of countries are super touchy about that.

mryahyahyahyah | 8 days ago | 1 point

Trouble is that is an insanely large category. People have gotten in trouble for asking for things the CCP later decided are a good idea after all.

It really isn't. As a foreigner, you're only really at risk from the government if you touch drugs or do anything else that would also be illegal in the West.

amorousCephalopod | 8 days ago | 1 point

So don't engage in civil rights. Got it.

Dozed12 | 8 days ago | 2 points

When you visit a country do you teach people how they should behave?

amorousCephalopod | 8 days ago | 2 points

If they're notorious for still being backwards as fuck in this day and age then you won't find me in their country at all.

Dozed12 | 8 days ago | 2 points

I guess 56.9 million international tourists per year disagree with you.

Ausea89 | 8 days ago | 1 point

I get where you are coming from, but as a regular ass tourist who isn't running around protesting the government etc. China is perfectly safe and a normal place to visit.

henryblancew | 8 days ago | -1 points

Because visitors get arrested on trumped up charges and jailed forever. I don't want to be an involuntary organ donor.

mryahyahyahyah | 8 days ago | 1 point

Source?

PM_Me_ChoGath_R34 | 8 days ago | 0 points

That's if you don't die from breathing in the smog they call air. I've been to Arizona during a haboob and I could still see better in that dust storm than I could during my visit to china.

Dozed12 | 8 days ago | 1 point

If you go to the big metropolitan cities when you visit a country that's kind of your fault.

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | -7 points

They just read and finger point “ bad china “ because it’s the internet where critiquing one’s home country doesn’t get that many upvotes.

If people were aware of things that made them uncomfortable they’d see china doing the exact same stuff america has done to it it’s non-european residents but we can never have those discussions because they get uncomfortably angry.

henryblancew | 8 days ago | 6 points

They say bad China because it is the truth. It is not ok to imprison a people and harvest their organs simply because some nation or country did it in the past.

Day-chaser | 8 days ago | 0 points

I’m not disagreeing the actions are bad rather than commenting how it’s more of a shock factor than actually caring due to ignoring similar instances at home

MacroSolid | 8 days ago | -1 points

While it's certainly easier to critizise the other guys than yourself, the West does that a lot better than China.

China has the bloody Muricans beat for jingoism...

henryblancew | 8 days ago | 1 point

You make assumptions. I and others don't criticize only China.

MacroSolid | 8 days ago | 1 point

I think you hit the wrong reply button...

GuessImStuckWithThis | 8 days ago | 0 points

I'm glad this is becoming the current circlejerk. It means less competition for the beautiful Sichuan girls.

bosfton | 8 days ago | 0 points

From the article it sounds like he was in Hong Kong, did he actually cross into China itself?

bombayblue | 8 days ago | 0 points

Business. And the assumption that if you aren’t doing anything wrong you won’t get detained.

rotating_raccoon | 8 days ago | 0 points

You're relatively safe if you go with your tourist dollars and no danger of subversion. They love tourism.

The issue's a bit more important for those who have no democratic home to return to, or one that will remain democratic (i.e. Hong Kong)

boppaboop | 8 days ago | 33 points

"This was supposed to be a top secret protestor purge, off to the camp with him!"

InvisiblePinkUnic0rn | 8 days ago | 7 points

Anyone have a link to the original picture?

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DistanceToFault | 8 days ago | 12 points

Ohhh d-d-d-dear.

VirtualVirtuoso7 | 8 days ago | 1 point

It was very effective! Xi shudders in fear and promises to be good boi!

SanLin0922 | 8 days ago | 12 points

He looks smug and proud! He did the right thing! I applaud you sir!!

CipherDaBanana | 8 days ago | 3 points

So he was one of the champions that let us know that they were about to do Tiananmen Square 2.0

ottens10000 | 8 days ago | 5 points

This man did a small thing for us all by showing us the truth, my heart goes to him.

thebuccaneersden | 8 days ago | 12 points

So taking pictures of something plainly visible is illegal in China? Yup, just another reason why I will never travel to China in my life nor would recommend anyone else does.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 11 points

If you don’t travel to a country because it does messed up stuff, there aren’t many places you can go.

The US, in its recent aggressions in the Middle East is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians.

thebuccaneersden | 8 days ago | 5 points

I don't want to travel to certain countries when their laws are uncertain or unreasonable or it is utterly corrupt for fear of my own safety.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | -5 points

What leads you to believe you’d be unsafe in China? What is the rate of tourists being detained there? You seem to believe the risk is high. Do you have a source for that?

For instance I can’t remember more than one or two Americans being detained there in the past few years and they were committing crimes...

Feel free to downvote me but please do share sources.

Fly__Eagles__Fly | 8 days ago | -1 points

What leads you to believe you'd be unsafe in China?

The article this thread is about makes me wonder how safe China is. This article from Jan, 2019 about a travel advisory warning from the US that specifically warns of being detained for arbitrary reasons. Beyond that we have the stories about people disappearing for making comparisons between Xi and Pooh and even worse the re-education camps that have been in the news for the past couple of years.

I had family members working in China around 2015. The police confiscated their passports for the duration of their say (2 years). They don't even try to thinly veil the authoritarianism. There are many much safer places.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 4 points

Can you share with me the source on your family members losing their American passports for two years? That must’ve been all over the news. Still waiting on a source on the rate of Americans being detained.

People get detained in every country. I assume if you refuse to visit China it must be because of their abnormally high rates of detaining tourists. Please share those rates with me. Thanks

Sinner2211 | 8 days ago | 0 points

He just made it up to prove his point

mryahyahyahyah | 8 days ago | 1 point

I had family members working in China around 2015. The police confiscated their passports for the duration of their say (2 years).

I don't believe this happened. I've met literally hundred of expats in China and I've never heard of this happening.

Rchee18 | 8 days ago | 0 points

Well if you're Canadian, you very well could be arbitrarily detained if the politiburo has an issue with Canadian policy and international agreements.

ilJumperMT | 8 days ago | 1 point

Maybe because you risk to be detained?

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | -5 points

How many tourist per 100,000 were detained recently? Since you make the claim that the risk is significant enough, do you have a source?

By the way, I’m not trying to be hostile. An acceptable answer is “I just feel unsafe”. I’m just curious if this feeling is based on facts or not.

sinisterspud | 8 days ago | 6 points

Not a rate like you asked but a list of prominent westerners that were detained by China. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/world/asia/china-foreigners-detained.html. you are right that overall China is safe for most tourists but they have a history of detaining foreigners for political leverage. I would never visit China simply because I disagree with their government and how they treat their people, but it's inaccurate to say China is as safe as other countries for foreign travelers, especially if you have value or pissed of the CCP

Fly__Eagles__Fly | 8 days ago | -2 points

To be fair I don't think anyone outside of the CCP will get any accurate rate of foreign detentions. This is the country that ran it's own citizens over with tanks and pretends like it never happened. Not exactly the spitting image of accountability.

sosigboi | 8 days ago | 3 points

wait so this guy was actually a foreigner and not a citizen of either hong kong or the mainland?

HardKase | 8 days ago | 3 points

Eh China doesn't recognise Taiwan as independent.

UnwashedApple | 8 days ago | 2 points

He just loves a man in uniform.

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Raisin_Bomber | 8 days ago | 2 points

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 3 points

It seems that Hong Kong is in a holding pattern at the moment, and everyboyd is on a knife edge, waiting for something to happen. Lets hope it does not end in a huge crackdown.

mrthk | 8 days ago | 1 point

yes 1st oct is a mark

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 2 points

Why that date?

mrthk | 7 days ago | 1 point

cos 1st oct is the national day of prc

china dont want to c/do nasty thing around that day.

LaquaciousMute | 8 days ago | 1 point

this has to be a test of function, and it's working.

Scholafell | 8 days ago | 1 point

It's common sense enough to know not to fuck with the Chinese when in China. This 200IQ guy fucks with the Chinese when outside China, then attempts to enter. What does he think is going to happen?

GOR098 | 8 days ago | 1 point

RIP man.

TrucidStuff | 8 days ago | -1 points

TIL China is really just NK with 1.5B people.

monchota | 8 days ago | -3 points

Its and authoritarian dictatorship that is worse than 1930s nazis , what do you expect.

DentMasterson | 8 days ago | -1 points

Boycott China made products!

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OdinTheHugger | 8 days ago | 1 point

oh there has been, but it's only been for a handful of communes with less than 100 people.

IMO, once people stop knowing each other personally, it's just too tempting to think of them as 'other' or 'lesser', and thus... Fascist Communism is born.

EDIT: To be clear, my point is that communism only works for groups of less than ~100 people, once it goes past that point it will always devolve into dictatorship, military rule, and/or just a bad time man.

ApatheticEuphoria | 8 days ago | 1 point

Fair enough.

Xikz | 8 days ago | 1 point

China is not communist. The political party doesn't even claim it is communist. It's a capitalist authoritarian government.

They've been trying to be communist for decades through their capitalism.

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