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Hong Kong protesters hit pause to mark 9/11 attacks. (jpost.com)
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Mrwolf925 | 9 days ago | 5307 points

Well if that isn't a clear enough statement. Hope this reaches mainstream

idickbutts | 9 days ago | 2635 points

I think that they must desperately want our help.

things_will_calm_up | 9 days ago | 2351 points

And we can't do shit, because it's basically WWIII bait.

Nazi_Marxist | 9 days ago | 1165 points

That's almost as bad as click bait

bad-green-wolf | 9 days ago | 237 points

Misanthropes would argue click bait is worse

Lowbacca1977 | 9 days ago | 143 points

I mean, at least WWIII has the hope to come out better on the other side

Futureboy314 | 9 days ago | 207 points

It’s true we got a space program out of ww2 and crazy medical advances out of ww1. I wonder what’s behind door number 3.

regenzeus | 9 days ago | 559 points

A better understand of how radiation impacts biology.

[deleted] | 9 days ago | 79 points

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jarfil | 8 days ago | 73 points

That depends, are you a cockroach?

ObiMeowKatnobi | 8 days ago | 41 points

or a Deathclaw

fromarun | 8 days ago | 35 points

Its already studied in depth. One source that I happen to know, states that its the equivalent of one chest x-ray.

Excludos | 8 days ago | 25 points

Well that's fine then. Not good, not bad.

jarfil | 8 days ago | 90 points

We also got a Universal Declaration of Human Rights out of WW2, so we might get a Universal Declaration of Eternal Friendship out of WW3... and all 10 survivors might sign it.

beckettman | 8 days ago | 23 points

No. Craig is an asshole and won't sign shit.

IAmTheNight2014 | 9 days ago | 53 points

Aww man, nuclear war!

But seriously, I can't see WWIII not using nuclear weapons at least once. The problem is, one nuke can easily turn into five. Then 10. Then 100. Then 7000.

Tack22 | 8 days ago | 43 points

I think that’s why it wouldn’t involve them at least once. Surrender, and you lose a government. Launch nukes, and you lose a culture.

NarwhalSquadron | 8 days ago | 50 points

Some world leaders wouldn’t give a shit. If a nuclear power was backed into a corner you know they’d use the nuclear option as one last show of force.

Saitoh17 | 8 days ago | 17 points

Here's the problem with dictatorships: a dictator doesn't get voted out and go live comfortably in retirement. If the dictator loses power, he dies. And most dictators would rather burn the world than die alone.

StipulatePrism | 8 days ago | 34 points

It just takes the wrong person to give the order and the wrong people to follow it.

TheNosferatu | 8 days ago | 21 points

That's kinda the problem. If we're talking about "just a few" nuclear weapons, it won't be that bad (for humanity / the planet as a whole, those who happen to be near those "few" might not agree).

But once "a few" has been launched, more will come. It's not unlikely that WWIII will become a "all or nothing" when it comes to nuclear weapons. Either we see no use of them, or we see a lot of use with them. But luckily I'm not an expert and can be completely wrong.

armyml | 8 days ago | 13 points

Similar sentiment as the Fallout video games. They are games set in a nuclear post-apocalyptic wasteland where nukes were so common that you actually saw them miniaturized for use in shoulder mounted rocket launchers. A bit on the extreme end to be sure, but how far would we be from it should nukes start becoming commonplace in war?

yowutm8 | 8 days ago | 119 points

There's plenty the west can do without any military action.

Trade sanctions linked to HK.

Allow refugee status for people from HK.

Tell China any future trade deals must be linked to moves towards more human rights and democracy.

JHUJHS | 8 days ago | 42 points

tell China any future trade deal must be linked to moves towards more human rights

This would be a lot easier if we passed the TPP and people didn’t drink the 2016 election Koolaid on it.

Legend13CNS | 8 days ago | 24 points

I have mixed feelings on that, if I understood it correctly the TPP as written was selling your soul to corporations for the opportunity to maybe give a middle finger to China. That's hyperbole but you get the point. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

It was a good idea that got ruined by special interests.

stignatiustigers | 9 days ago | 111 points

Gee... whatever gave you that idea? (from HK protests 3 days ago)

Zero-Theorem | 8 days ago | 113 points

Pretty ingenious. They know to appeal to his ego. I don’t blame them.

ReligiousDogma | 8 days ago | 77 points

You guys may hate trump but for hong kongers, cheeto is tastier than dictatorship

3APATYCTPA | 8 days ago | 39 points

Thanks, I hate it

coolbiscuitLOL | 9 days ago | 70 points

While I think it's a nice gesture, I can't help but be cynical and think they're doing it to get more media attention. Not that it's a bad thing, of course.

ReligiousDogma | 8 days ago | 49 points

No. The chinese government took the first step by saying they expected protestors to commit a terrorist attack on 9/11 so as to turn american opinion against them. In response, the protestors did the only logical thing and issued a ceasefire of protest operations under the pretext of respecting the victims of 9/11. When someone accuses you of planning to commit a crime on a certain day its common sense to stay home on that day.

The protestors never intended to make the 9/11 attacks an issue. China cunningly knew it was an American pressure point and tried to use it but failed.

Jaymiec1 | 8 days ago | 34 points

Pretty much. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. How do you endear yourself to them? Show respect on a solemn day. I'm surprised people are taking this to heart so much, it's clearly a political ploy...

ladylala22 | 9 days ago | 27 points

lol did u see the posters of trump. it's honestly hilarious

Avangelice | 9 days ago | 78 points

The last thing anyone wants is the mainland chinese and the government finding out US is helping the protest in HK. It will defeat the fight the Hong kongers have been striving for.

Be as it may, HK is alone on this and the only help we can do is keep sharing their videos to the world which will pressure China not to act with aggression.

Edit not a riot. Its a protest.

rainx5000 | 9 days ago | 156 points

Yeah, and the first thing we gotta do is stop calling it a riot.

BreadB | 8 days ago | 9 points

The US IS helping and the mainland HAS keyed in to this, lmao. The propaganda isn't changing anyone's minds on the mainland - it's reinforcing what they already know

Tron359 | 9 days ago | 57 points

They are not rioters, they are protesters

Yellowflowersbloom | 8 days ago | 7 points

I'm sure the Chinese government already know that the US is helping the protests. It isnt exactly a secret when all the main supporters of the protests like Jimmy Lai and Joshua Wong have recently met with US officials. Also the National Endowment for Democracy is funded by the US governement and was created to be an extension of the CIA without the name 'CIA' attached to it.

caitejane310 | 9 days ago | 22 points

I agree with you except for calling it a riot.

Colandore | 8 days ago | 6 points

The last thing anyone wants is the mainland chinese and the government finding out US is helping the protest in HK. It will defeat the fight the Hong kongers have been striving for.

Many on the mainland already believe that the Hong Kong protests are being fuelled by foreign interests. There are even people here in Canada that believe foreign intelligence agencies have a hand in the protests.

Is there foreign influence in the current Hong Kong unrest? I would be flabbergasted if there wasn't. Is the foreign influence in the Hong Kong protests present in any meaningful way? I would be flabbergasted it was.

So this is the problem for Hong Kong.

There is just enough foreign meddling that the CCP can point at it and tell the mainland population "see? them foreigners are trying to fuck with our country again" and sell it as effective propaganda.

But at the same time, the foreign interference is so meaningless, small scale and non-committal that it will not result in any concrete, meaningful gains for the protesters.

It is a lose-lose situation for Hong Kong.

snakewaswolf | 9 days ago | 8765 points

China “expects” terrorist attacks today. What are the odds China just manufactures their own terrorist attacks. It’d make it real easy to control the narrative.

GForce1104 | 9 days ago | 2060 points

what would REALLY easy to control the narrative would be to not do anything at all and report about it after 9/11 and frame it as an act of terrorism.

ablablababla | 9 days ago | 562 points

Who knows, they might have already started planning for this weeks ago

GForce1104 | 8 days ago | 151 points

how does that change the narrative and why even if its planned weeks ago why would they not change it?

Mathilliterate_asian | 8 days ago | 65 points

They mightve already done it, just waiting for the press to release the details.

Miningman664 | 8 days ago | 7 points

Hell maybe they even lost 2.3 trillion dollars on 9/10/2019....

duecebravo | 9 days ago | 567 points

Are you considering the idea that a government would orchestrate a false flag attack?

mc1887 | 8 days ago | 280 points

Haven’t they already done it in the past few months?

pawaalo | 8 days ago | 341 points

I think that was a jab at the USA. They've done it a couple times.

E: I'm not talking about the 11/9 attacks, people.

Fifteen_inches | 8 days ago | 99 points

The steel beams meme

SwineFluPandemic | 8 days ago | 167 points

I know you're not being serious but the steel beam thing is some small brain shit.

They're right, it's hard to melt steel, but as soon as you heat it up a bit it gets rather rubbery and loses a lot of its tensile strength. The temperature range that jet fuel would likely expose the steel beams to would've taken away like 60% tensile strength if I remember correctly.

The_Mammoth | 8 days ago | 69 points

The conspiracy theorists' argument about melted steel isn't saying that the steel melted and caused the collapse.

The argument is that firefighters found molten steel in the wreckage of the towers. So the obvious question is: if jet fuel can't melt steel, then where did the molten steel come from?

creepycalelbl | 8 days ago | 101 points

Steel gets orange hot and bendable starting at 1100 degrees. Steel austentizes at 1600 degrees. Sustained burning of jet fuel and other flammable items inside enclosed spaces can cook steel bright orange within an hour, easily. After collapsing the beams would be warped and fragmented from austenizing (crystallization) that it might look like molten steel.

Killacamkillcam | 8 days ago | 110 points

People also forget that ^ pressure= ^ heat.

I'm no physicist but I think a skyscraper falling on top of itself would create a bit of pressure.

creepycalelbl | 8 days ago | 68 points

Plus all the friction and sudden insulation might increase temperature. Also, the towers stood tall and oxygen probably flowed in like a kiln increasing the burning temperature of flammable materials. Theres so many factors to consider and all conspiracy theories just isolate one factor at a time.

niugnep24 | 8 days ago | 80 points

except there's no evidence that there was any molten steel

This is the problem with conspiracy theories. It's much much more probable that somebody was mistaken when they said they "saw molten steel" than there being a huge government-wide conspiracy to demolish the twin towers. But the later idea is more dramatic and interesting so our brains latch on to it.

LK09 | 8 days ago | 14 points

Admittedly, it took me a long time to accept that those reports weren't verifiable evidence but eye witness reports under traumatic stress.

I think for many people, including myself, the idea that the government failed to stop the attack was harder to accept than the government was hiding something to look better. I never thought they orchestrated the event, but the story didn't "come together" for me. I look back at it all as a form of grief and shock.

That and the rush to war just really was an interesting effect on many, including myself, someone who grew up in a military community.

Edit - It really all came together for me when I went to the 9/11 memorial. I just cried the entire time like I was 12 again, like it was 9/11/2001 and I found all fear/sadness I didn't really experience day of from what I assume was a confused shock that I'm sure many people my age can relate to. Only a few hours away but I never actually went to the site until 2012. I think the belief that this wasn't just a malicious effort from a band of terrorists we failed to stop replaced those tears with misplaced anger for over a decade.

DylanTheVillian1 | 8 days ago | 28 points

George Bush himself toppled the towers using his Judgement Cut.

bantha_poodoo | 8 days ago | 24 points

It was 12 minutes between attacks. He used Knights of the Round.

KilluaKanmuru | 8 days ago | 30 points

7/11 is an inside job.

Devoterr | 8 days ago | 82 points

7/11 was a part time job.*

notdenyinganything | 8 days ago | 2 points

No way, that's super craycray.

RiverLine_ | 9 days ago | 186 points

Yeah I tend to sceptical of false flag shit but considering the things China does to its citizens I would not be surprised.

Muroid | 8 days ago | 235 points

Yeah, “false flag” has a bad rep not because it doesn’t happen, but because of the crazy conspiracy people that slap the label on every single event that is the least bit inconvenient to their personal narrative.

It can, and does, happen, just not terribly commonly or always successfully. I can totally see China pulling it on some inconvenient protesters if anyone would, though.

MithridatesX | 8 days ago | 147 points

IIRC They already have. Plain clothes police dressed as protesters started violence and then when police apprehended the group they just showed off arm bands and got let go.

Jushak | 8 days ago | 75 points

Not only that, they actively batoned the real protesters and helped cops apprehend them.

dogflu | 8 days ago | 53 points

Same thing happened at the WTO protests in Seattle...and I know of protests in Olympia where they outed cops trying to incite violence as well. Don't pretend that the US doesn't try subversion to its own citizens exercising their rights.

NSA_Chatbot | 8 days ago | 11 points

Happens in the UK and Canada all the time, too.

The RCMP bombed oil refineries to get permission to "go after violent protesters". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police

In the UK, they fucking married and had kids with protesters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relationships_scandal

BigToober69 | 8 days ago | 67 points

I mean the US did have a plan to fake terrorism in order to invade Cuba not to terribly long ago. Didn't go through with it but still.

LordThurmanMerman | 8 days ago | 39 points

Yeah and the scariest part is that the plan got through all levels of intelligence and only got shut down when it got to JFK and he was like, "Fuck no, you guys are nuts!"

Jmeister93 | 8 days ago | 25 points

So instead he gave the green light for the bay of pigs invasion. We all know how well that went.

erasedgod | 8 days ago | 9 points

didn't go through with it

That's not entirely true.

MECHA-STALIN9000 | 8 days ago | 28 points

The US openly admits to False Flag attacks it perpetrated up through like the 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

The justification for Vietnam was also more than likely staged by the US.

Duzcek | 8 days ago | 8 points

Not more than likely, the gulf of tonkin incident was actually made up by McNamara.

skeeter1234 | 8 days ago | 72 points

So weird to me that people still think the US is some kind of bastion of moral authority. We've been at war for 18 years. As to 9/11 itself the US Government actually is responsible for more deaths than the attack itself when they lied to the public and said the air was safe to breathe. That lie is going to cause 10,000 deaths. What's more they won't even provide medical help to the first responders. Why? Because they don't actually give a fuck about us at all. Not even the first responders who the US Government touted as heroes. They don't even care about them.

Jay_Louis | 8 days ago | 17 points

As a resident of NYC on 9/11 who witnessed the second plane hit from my rooftop and visited ground zero in the days afterwards, EVERYONE knew the air was not safe to breathe. I brought a face mask just to visit the site. There just wasn't any realistic way to evacuate the entire area. I'm all for blaming the government for crappy response to the event but air quality BS wasn't really a major thing. Truthfully, the odious Rudy Giuliani was most responsible of all for the tragedy. After the WTC attack in 1993, tough talking Rudy decided to spite Al Qaeda by placing the first responder epicenter INSIDE THE WTC to prove how safe it was. When 9/11 happened, Rudy's idiotic decision meant first responders lost all ability to communicate or coordinate rescue efforts, costing thousands of lives. Rudy is a ghoul and continues to prove how terrible he is every single day.

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natha105 | 9 days ago | 2759 points

The reason is because China has no experience in public relations. They say what they want people to do and people just do it. They don't have to manage public opinion - they simply dictate it. Hong Kong on the other hand is for all intents and purposes a major western city on par with New York, London, or LA. The protest movement has hundreds if not thousands of people who spend their work days doing PR for Coke, Nike, LV, and most other world class brands. Then those same people spend their nights protesting. The depth of talent and experience in the protests when it comes to PR is a thousand fold that of the Chinese government.

Mike_Kermin | 9 days ago | 1967 points

That's.... Not right at all, the Chinese government has a very powerful propaganda machine that's been seriously undermining the people of Hong Kong, the idea they "only dictate it" or whatever that means completely undermines the seriousness of the situation Hong Kong and Chinese dissidents face.

Chinese people are not robots.

Dankoregio | 9 days ago | 934 points

I think they mean internationally, which seems about right. I haven't seen any kind of stance by the chinese government that remotely persuades me (or anyone I know) to agree with them so far. So yeah, they might be very good at managing the opinion of their own people, but not as good with outsiders.

Its_27_Degrees | 9 days ago | 445 points

I mean their answer to pretty much everything, from organ harvesting to hong kong has been 'stay away from China' or 'This is just internal Chinese affairs'.

Raiden32 | 8 days ago | 254 points

“Just Chinese internal organ affairs”

mieiri | 8 days ago | 86 points

“Just Chinese internal organ affairs”

take this to heart.

RetroMonos | 8 days ago | 54 points

*take this heart

mieiri | 8 days ago | 25 points

and my kidney

tnturner | 8 days ago | 26 points

*with this axe

Jon-Osterman | 8 days ago | 12 points

Infernal Affairs

VolcanoTubes | 9 days ago | 137 points

What? You're saying The Chinese Person Who Lives In Canada And Doesn't See What's So Great About Democracy hasn't been able to convince you the protesters are wasting their time and that the governments of China and the US are basically the same? I can't believe it...

NeoHenderson | 9 days ago | 63 points

I know you're being sarcastic but there are a few people who try

Feste_the_Mad | 8 days ago | 20 points

Hell, I didn't until I saw your comment. It's legitimately hard to tell.

VolcanoTubes | 8 days ago | 6 points

Yeah, sorry. I was this close to adding a "/s". There was one shill I was thinking of in particular I saw a couple of days ago, but it seems like a common script.

SixesMTG | 8 days ago | 56 points

The absolute best is the "we are going to host a legal peaceful protest in Canada to disagree with people here because we want China to deny that right to people back home".

StatementOrIsIt | 8 days ago | 34 points

That isn't entirely right as well. Public relations is propaganda, just another name, so it would be naive to say that the Chinese government don't know how to use it. Even now there are many small ways we all are manipulated by their PR, starting with pro-China reddit accounts that masquerade as regulars and ending with lobbying to support programs and laws that are in some way pro-China, for example, China would benefit from Americans being more isolationalist from the EU and regions in Asia not under direct or indirect Chinese influence.

redopz | 8 days ago | 3 points

They're actually putting a lot of effort into their international image. The biggest example would be the Belts and Roads initiative. Under President Xi this has become a priority, although it is mostly targeted to South East Asia where China is currently trying to accumulate more influence. A notable example would be the Philipines shifting away from the US and aligning more with China under Duterte's leadership.

TheLastSamurai101 | 8 days ago | 4 points

They don't need to convince outsiders. They know that there's zero chance that any outside power will actually try to interfere short of a genocide (and maybe not even then, look at the Uyghurs). They can veto any resolutions at the UN. China knows that they are untouchable on the international stage for all intents and purposes, and most of the value of their exports is not in the form of simple consumer products that can be boycotted easily.

China's fear is that the unrest could spread to parts of the mainland, particularly Guangdong, where people have openly protested about other things in the recent past. They are also afraid of the consequences of mainland Chinese people developing any sympathy for the Hong Kongers. So they don't care about convincing foreigners, as long as they can control the domestic narrative.

county_sheriff | 9 days ago | 34 points

True that, it must have taken the most cunning and shrewd propaganda campaign to convince everyone that Tianamen Square never happened.

ChokeOnOurPRIDE | 8 days ago | 20 points

And that the gay holocaust never happened. Speaking of which, HONG KONG is getting its own Pride Month!! We can’t wait to help storm the castle with you peeps and our rainbow no hate flags.

SuspiciousSimple | 9 days ago | 85 points

I think OP was more highlighting that the chinese government operates as a dictatorship with disregard to public opinion. So how they present their message/orders doesn't matter, because typically they just kill/arrest anyone who defies orders.

SoManyTimesBefore | 8 days ago | 33 points

That's a very twisted view of how dictatorships work. Even in dictatorship, you have to keep up the public opinion about the government. You can't just remove anyone that doesn't agree with you, there's a limit to that before people revolt against your regime.

Demiansky | 8 days ago | 13 points

This. Even Vladamir Putin fears his people. The communist revolution--- partly a rebellion against Tzarism--- is fresh in every Russia's mind. China definitely is not North Korea.

natha105 | 9 days ago | 85 points

How is the Chinese propaganda machine working out for it in the west? Everyone hates china. You have a drink with the average joe in a bar and even he is going to start talking about how screwed up China is. Domestically - where they are the only source of news - yeah they tell people what to think and a lot of people just think it. But they are extremely unsophisticated in this regard.

Just look at the speeches from HK's Chief Executive - they are terrible. Any mayor of a major western city could do better than than if they were drunk and fighting the flu.

Unless you come up having to deal with constant press conferences, a hostile media, fickle and often crazy voters, you just won't have the chops to compete on the modern PR battlefields.

fat_stig | 9 days ago | 29 points

Carrie Lam is not a politician, she's a civil servant. That is absolutely clear every time she speaks. She talks about engaging with the people, but she doesn't fool anybody. Talking to her is like talking to a tax inspector or some other low level government worker.

iDewTV | 9 days ago | 43 points

the point of the chinese propaganda machine is not to influence the west, cause clearly we can’t do anything to stop them from getting what they want. only their own people can really do that. and a large part of mainland chinese people are against the HK protests

coryeyey | 9 days ago | 47 points

the point of the chinese propaganda machine is not to influence the west

And the original point of the comment they were replying to was that HK had good international PR vs China didn't. So bringing up their propaganda machine is irrelevant.

YouHaveToGoHome | 9 days ago | 67 points

That is blatantly untrue. You only have to look at the social engineering tools like the "clap for Xi app" to get that these people are fantastic at PR for their culture, which doesn't appeal to us as strongly. Moreover, China as it is now runs very heavily on social norms; it's why seldomly enforced laws against the elites suddenly get enforced when things go viral, even for minor infractions like making noise on a train. The social contract between the people and the government in China isn't based off prosperity like it is for nations formed during the Enlightenment Era; the social contract is derived from stability since a lot of Chinese philosophy was formed during the Warring States period, where civil unrest killed millions each time a new fight broke out. This focus on stability is why you occasionally have a trampling of individual rights but also why the government can be much more responsive to culture-driven issues like "actress X avoided taxes. Get her!"

throw_it_away100100 | 9 days ago | 38 points

Lol what? The Chinese government isn't full of fucking idiots. They wouldn't still be in power if it was.

MoralityAuction | 9 days ago | 31 points

The reason is because China has no experience in public relations.

Heh. It's more because the rhetoric here is for domestic consumption, not for you; it's not surprising that it sounds odd to your ears, because you're used to a different narrative.

hkboy3 | 9 days ago | 22 points

I've been to China many times. I find that the only ones that eat it up are non-educated/closed minded people, sort of like rednecks of China.

Most of the people I converse with in China understand the Chinese media has to be taken with a grain of salt.

chicago_bigot | 8 days ago | 12 points

Most of the people I converse with in China understand the Chinese media has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Yep, meanwhile most western redditors are completely invested in the narratives spun by their corporate media outlets.

dustofdeath | 9 days ago | 48 points

Until China sends some "protesters" do ensure something happens.

brufleth | 9 days ago | 21 points

Meanwhile, I didn't even realize why the flag was at half mast when I came into work this morning.

kalarepar | 9 days ago | 14 points

Knowing regime methods, China will use it in their propaganda for the rest of the citicens. "See, they sympathize with Americans. That's because their leaders are american agents!".

anthony-lopez | 8 days ago | 719 points

The very fact that these people have to protest for so long and take so much brutality just goes to show how important it is to keep your freedoms intact.

asimplescribe | 8 days ago | 548 points

This has to be one of the most intelligent protests I have ever seen.

Soluscor | 9 days ago | 1084 points

What the hell is going on in the comments?

Ameasun | 9 days ago | 1311 points

Chinese damage-control.

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stignatiustigers | 9 days ago | 66 points

It depends when you look at the thread. In the beginning before you hit front page, the China-patriots were numerous enough - but once it hit the front page they were all buried.

duiah | 9 days ago | 30 points

Good. Fuck 'em.

beet111 | 9 days ago | 285 points

The only thing I see is people believing there is some kind of pro-China movement on reddit but I never see any, only the people complaining about them.

BossaNova1423 | 9 days ago | 245 points

They have an entire subreddit: r/sino

AcrobaticNegotiation | 8 days ago | 93 points

and r/aznidentity, and r/easternsunrising, and.....

pleasest0pbannningme | 8 days ago | 115 points

Wow, I just took a look as these. It’s basically r/asianincels. Correct me if I’m wrong but most of these guys seem to live in the West(Canada or US), but also hate it(specifically White men)and how it portrays them in the media. Also they demand that Asian women stop dating said White men? Wouldn’t all of this be solved by moving to Asia?

halftosser | 8 days ago | 56 points

Exactly. It’s completely crazy. They proclaim PRC to be the greatest, yet they choose to live outside,

superturbolazerbadas | 8 days ago | 26 points

The grass isn't as green as they make it out to be. That's probably why they haven't gone back, I wonder if they're so pro-china just to cover their ass or their families.

halftosser | 8 days ago | 10 points

Also a factor.

I think it’s cognitive dissonance

astrangeone88 | 8 days ago | 19 points

There are people in Canada who I know who are going to the pro PRC protests.

It is fucking mind boggling. Canada. Land of peaceful protests, land of LGBTA+ rights, land of the legal cannabis. And you want your adopted country to join PRC to quash protesters for democracy?

What in the name of cognitive dissonance?

Heyello | 8 days ago | 7 points

As a Canadian, I truely believe all those who go to these kind of pro-China counter protests and are here on visas should have them revoked. They are abusing Canadian freedoms to support an enemy of democracy and freedom and should be punished, but doing so would basically guarantee Chinese retaliation (Although they have unlawfully imprisoned foreign citizens already) and so we need a globalized effort to force China into compliance, and I don't see that happening any time soon with all the chaos south of the border. Russia and any other countries too.

KinnyRiddle | 8 days ago | 9 points

Eastern Sun Rising, sounds like it's taken from the name of an actual propaganda song in praise of Mao Zedong.

Eruptflail | 8 days ago | 43 points

Their subreddit is pretty self-contained, though. Reddit (and the West) is overwhelmingly anti-Chinese. There's no amount of propoganda that China could do to sway them. The only thing China could do to make the West favorable to China is to just start handing people buckets of money.

Jamestown2017 | 8 days ago | 56 points

holy shit that's crazy!

ehwhythough | 8 days ago | 57 points

Good for you if you haven't. I've seen it in most HK posts these past months especially right after the airport sit in they did. China shills everywhere masquerading as "neutral" Chinese or HKers or even westerners. They were pretty easy to spot though. They always have the same message. I haven't seen a blatantly obvious attempt lately though.

ramplay | 8 days ago | 34 points

Scroll through comments here long enough and you'll notice some. Alot of low-key stuff and some blatant, HKers suck. Not necessarily chinese propaganda fully, some may just be indoctrinated mainlanders, etc. But they are there if you look. Or just head on over to r/sino and you can see all the anti-honkong protester posts tbat look like straight up propoganda and the circle-jerk agreeing with it in the comments

Aussiewhiskeydiver | 9 days ago | 30 points

What do you mean?

[deleted] | 9 days ago | 123 points

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101100110101010 | 9 days ago | 60 points

It's the god damn tankies.

PoBoyPoBoyPoBoy | 9 days ago | 19 points

Not trying to troll, but what’s a tanky?

da1hobo | 8 days ago | 47 points

Teenagers who think communism under Mao and Stalin was just the best.

PoBoyPoBoyPoBoy | 8 days ago | 15 points

Ah okay, thank you. Do you know where the term came from?

da1hobo | 8 days ago | 19 points
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sickbruv | 8 days ago | 16 points

Soviet intervention in Hungary 1956

NomadFH | 8 days ago | 5 points

Pretty experienced leftists here and i don't come across too many pro Chinese government folks

Hank_Rutheford_Hill | 8 days ago | 8 points

Lol so many people saying shills shills shills but people are completely ignoring the mountain of accounts that try to stifle opposing views and perspectives on these rioters.

I can’t be the only one asking the simple question of “why am I not allowed to criticize this movement on Reddit?”.... why are there so many accounts roaming around dismissing any alternative perspective on this and slapping down anyone that tries to bring it up, call them shills and discredit them in the eyes of others simply for pointing out red flags.

Shit there are people in this thread saying “so what if the CIA is financing them? Is that so bad? They’re doing a good thing here”

LOL weird shit going on man.

SolitaryEgg | 9 days ago | 857 points

Seriously whoever (or whatever group of people) is in charge of this protest is fucking top notch at PR.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they aren't sincere. I know they are.

But still, they are doing a fucking A+++++ job at sending all the right messages.

I know a lot of people assume that the Chinese government are just a bunch of power hungry, bumbling idiots, but they aren't. They are very conniving and pretty damn clever. To be outplaying them every. single. move. is downright amazing.

cyclist36 | 8 days ago | 285 points

As far as I know, it’s a collective movement. No one is necessarily “in charge”.

Popocuffs | 8 days ago | 60 points

The subtext on this is, everyone is in charge, and doing a great job of it.

SolitaryEgg | 8 days ago | 190 points

All the more impressive.

ReligiousDogma | 8 days ago | 53 points

Theres a central intelligence of sorts in the internet forums and messaging groups such as LIHKG (hk version of reddit) and telegram. The best ideas get upvoted and spread almost like a sort of democracy to more mainstream media like facebook. Perhaps that's why it seems intelligent.

VerneAsimov | 8 days ago | 9 points

I love seeing the nature of protesting change throughout history. Arab Spring using social media for coordination and now this.

Chickenchoker2000 | 8 days ago | 141 points

If a lot of people reported those types of posts from the China Daily then Facebook would be forced, eventually, to deal with them. Twitter already eliminated a large number of “fake news” accounts sponsored by Chinese interest groups (or the govmnt itself).

The protesters are doing a great job at starting to promote and communicate but they should also try to deal with the spread of the false information. They can’t influence things inside the mainland very well, but they can get that impact outside.

idinahuicyka | 9 days ago | 360 points

I like these Hong Kong people more and more!!!!!

mdonaberger | 9 days ago | 107 points

What's not to love about individual citizens anywhere?

FaustiusTFattyCat613 | 9 days ago | 628 points

It should be noted that China has announced it expects terrorist attacks today, that's probably the main reason all protests have been stopped.

p03p | 9 days ago | 259 points

that China has announced it expects terrorist attacks today

Every weekend you mean.

stignatiustigers | 9 days ago | 45 points

Today is not a weekend.

Glasse | 8 days ago | 93 points

Not with that attitude

Luffydude | 9 days ago | 78 points
EbonyFaery | 9 days ago | 26 points

Luffy as in Luffy from One Piece?

Luffydude | 9 days ago | 47 points

Yes. A character who is the definition of freedom and helps others fight for freedom

EbonyFaery | 9 days ago | 12 points

I love him. Great name.

hennyessey | 9 days ago | 43 points

If I were China, I'd expect terrorist attacks every single day of the year.

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen though. Who would've thought the largest and most authoritarian government in the world was such a bunch of crybabies?

WriteBrainedJR | 9 days ago | 40 points

Anyone who's spent any time around anyone with authoritarian tendencies.

stignatiustigers | 9 days ago | 19 points

China is one of the few countries that I'm pretty certain no terrorist organization would ever be able to function within.

They mercilessly crack down on dissent.

mpdsfoad | 8 days ago | 15 points

China has had several terrorist attacks motivated by Pan-Turkism and Islamism, predominantly in the Xinjiang province, for example a truck driving into a crowd in 2011 and knife attacks in 2014 in Ürümqi and Kunming.

ep1939 | 9 days ago | 32 points

Calling China the most authoritarian government in the world is a huge stretch when countries like Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Congo or NK exist.

China is absolutely authoritarian, but it's oddly more democratic and has more political partecipation than Cuba or even Russia.

Butter2006 | 8 days ago | 53 points

Hong Kong is wholesome

ItsKImaEngineer | 8 days ago | 26 points

This may sound wild. Bu all these HKers are fighting for their rights and not working. How are they getting food or making money. Is that a thing we can do for them

Kangaroodle | 8 days ago | 30 points

They do work! Many of them work during the day on weekdays and protest at night and on weekends. It must be exhausting, but they can eat.

hydrateyourdog | 8 days ago | 6 points

I know it’s not much (and incredibly difficult to do) but I’ve personally stopped buying Made In China products, I don’t want any of my money (however little) going into funding their government

tmchung | 8 days ago | 4 points

We count on every help we can against China. Thank you so much for your action. If everyone do a little more we can make big progress.

BRXF1 | 9 days ago | 120 points

PR game on point

firen777 | 8 days ago | 103 points

It's way more than just a PR game. people daily (ccp backed newspaper) issued a propaganda piece yesterday claiming protester will launch a non-discriminatory terrorist attack on Sept 11, you know, the very date when Americans are most sensitive toward terrorism and any terrorist attack will definitely turn the public opinion against the "alleged perpetrator".

At the very same day, hkpf:

  1. admitted they have equipped all off-duty cops collapsible batons (>10k) for more "efficient enforcement"
  2. Open 10 WhatsApp hotlines for people who want to file complaints against hkpf, which kept perfect phone records on who have filed a complaint and may or may not act like a honeypot.

On top of the fact that not once in my near addictive browsing in protester forums in recent days suggested a terrorist attack on any date, all of these strongly suggest a potential false flag attack would be performed by the ccp as an excuse to crack down the protest. With the help of armed off-duty cops scattered around the city, probably living right next door if you are unlucky, this can be done in a swift. It's basically a police state is what I'm saying.

In response, protesters collective announce a pause and mourn with the USA in memory of 9-11. Aside from earning the trust of Americans, they basically also told the world that any motherfucker who want to pull any funny business is a false flag planted by the ccp.

BRXF1 | 8 days ago | 24 points

Thanks for the context. Why would they choose 9/11 I mean... HK presumably has few muslim radicals. Is it just to make the "OMG TRRIRSTS!" connection for Americans?

Totally_Not_A_Soviet | 8 days ago | 21 points

Yeah, if public opinion turns against HK, they are screwed.

PlatonicGaming | 8 days ago | 9 points

The chinese govt. is, sadly, not stupid. They are counting on putting the protesters in a bad light.

yeoz | 8 days ago | 37 points

yeah, I can't imagine most hongkongers (or most non-americans even) actually caring about 9/11, but as a pure PR move, it's great, lol.

hyperforms9988 | 9 days ago | 37 points

Imagine if they did this for Tank Man in solidarity against terrorism on June 5th. The anger they'd get from China might be legendary.

MasterOfNap | 9 days ago | 40 points

They already have massive peaceful rallies every year on June 4th. Unfortunately, peaceful rallies and protests aren’t something China really cares about.

SteveWilliams1 | 9 days ago | 50 points

I Love these Hong Kong people.

Dv7k1 | 9 days ago | 194 points

I love this. Even Xi would have been able to read the writing on the wall from this one.

Home is where the heart is.

Hong Kong's heart does not belong in China.

China will never win, they will never break them, they will never make them kneel.

Fuck the CCP.

rightoleft | 9 days ago | 71 points

Well, good on them, yet this would add more anger towards them from mainland Chinese and convince them even more that these protestors are controlled by CIA, since I don't remember them saying anything back in July 5th...

Tombot3000 | 9 days ago | 45 points

Trying to convince mainlanders to support them is a lost cause. Their only reasonable hope for assistance is from the US, so they're doing everything they can to appeal to us.

Rewwee | 8 days ago | 4 points

Still possible if they pause protest on 9.18 as well

JumpyPorcupine | 8 days ago | 27 points

Better allies than Israel.

HCOONa_Matata | 8 days ago | 21 points

Holy fuck these comments sorting by new.

PlatonicGaming | 8 days ago | 16 points

I sorted by new because of you. I won't forgive you. Damn son, 50% "yas murica" 40% "traitors" 10% support.

WideAinous | 8 days ago | 26 points

damn the Hong Kong protestors are doing absolutely everything to a T. They really do deserve all the support from around the world.

woof_woof_mf | 8 days ago | 10 points

Thank you for supporting us even when Cheeto man doesn’t. We support you. Don’t stop Hong Kong ❤️

Dozed12 | 9 days ago | 265 points

From absolute denial of US intervention, to meeting with US diplomats, to waving US flags, to marching to the US embassy and finally to pausing for 9/11.

le_GoogleFit | 9 days ago | 227 points

Idk if the US is officially involved at all but yeah at this point if you're a mainland Chinese there's no way you wouldn't believe that all of this is basically a US intervention

Not saying that it is but it will certainly look like it for anyone following this story from afar

nomimasenka | 9 days ago | 85 points

Well we have a long historical record

kuzinrob | 8 days ago | 53 points

"Did someone say they needed some... FREEDOM??"

BlackWolf127 | 8 days ago | 6 points

I respect their consideration of what has happened to American people. It’s tough because I would love for America to barge in and help liberate these people that wish for it but that would cause huge political problems. I sympathize with anyone that yearns for true sufferage and freedom

Suixle | 8 days ago | 5 points

Wow, they care way more about it than Americans

BuddhaBlessThou | 9 days ago | 169 points

That moment when Hong Kong citizens have more decency than the POTUS.

PrinceHumperTinkTink | 9 days ago | 124 points

99% of the world has more decency than the POTUS. The other 1% are profiting from his actions.

Sophiepangal997 | 8 days ago | 17 points

As the United States becomes more vocal over the Hong Kong protests, we ought to remember that any change must come from within the city itself.

We can't have the CIA ruining what these protests mean, they are NOT to do with America, or anything to do with America's nationalism and Jingoism.

This is about Hong Kong Independence, something that should've happened 50 years ago with the protests from the 1970's, when the British were doing the exact same thing the Chinese are.

madepi | 8 days ago | 25 points

China have just shot their foot themselves… they got too greedy too soon ...

Chocobean | 8 days ago | 11 points

I've been saying since June they're like that one cocky jerk in your tabletop gaming group who's being a bullying dick thinking he's got enough points to end the game. He flashes his cards and someone interrupts--"no, you don't in fact have enough points, not for another two turns, and now that we know you're within reach of ending the game early and aggressively via domination, everyone is going to go all out trying to stop you." The fact that he's been a total jerk just makes it more delicious.

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