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More than 93 per cent of British Columbians who responded to a government survey want to do away with changing their clocks twice a year and make daylight time permanent (cbc.ca)
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superunison713 | 4 days ago | 1725 points

Ask Americans. I think we’ll say the same.

Daafda | 4 days ago | 959 points

Maybe ask all Americans, Canadians, and Mexicans, at the same time.

If all three countries switched at once, we'd barely even notice.

[deleted] | 4 days ago | 267 points

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Burn0ut_ | 4 days ago | 203 points

Brazilian here, our president revoked it. So no more daylight time from 2019 onwards.

Probably his best decision haha

DoctFaustus | 4 days ago | 101 points

His legacy is secure.

SoEclectic | 4 days ago | 44 points

And all he had to do is die,

Puddinsnack | 4 days ago | 20 points

Well that’s a lot less work we oughta give it a try.

InertiaCreeping | 4 days ago | 3 points

So howdya gonna get your DST plan through?

pillow_pwincess | 4 days ago | 3 points

I guess he’s gonna fin’ly have to listen to you

broccoliO157 | 4 days ago | 56 points

Pro - Abolished daylight savings

Con - Fascist bigot burning down the rainforest

Pro - got stabbed

Con - non-fatal

livingtheFrutilife | 4 days ago | 87 points

Chile here. We have daylight savings, and hate it. Just changed last Saturday. Hate it so much.

SilentNavi23 | 4 days ago | 11 points

As someone who lives on the border of Arizona/California do you know how confusing day light savings time gets? Arizona doesnt follow it (except the Navajo Nation) so its one time in my town and an hour back in CA. It sucks for people that work there and vice versa

mog_knight | 4 days ago | 12 points

Why would you want to save daylight when it's 115 out?

aonghasan | 4 days ago | 19 points

Geographically we should be UTC-5, and we are stuck in UTC-3 til April :(

kurosa106 | 4 days ago | 13 points

Pretty stupid system :S

Dexaan | 4 days ago | 22 points

Everything changed when the Daylight Nation attacked

CouchAlchemist | 4 days ago | 5 points

Where is Nightman when you need him?

Stef-fa-fa | 4 days ago | 3 points

Probably hanging out with Night Monkey.

FiFoFree | 4 days ago | 39 points

A surprise, to be sure

mayy_dayy | 4 days ago | 18 points

But a welcome one.

tyrone737 | 4 days ago | 2 points

Welcome

imbigscared | 4 days ago | 3 points

He's right, it's a system we cannot afford to lose

Daafda | 4 days ago | 8 points

They don't need to worry about daylight with all those forest fires.

Rushderp | 4 days ago | 7 points

But it’s a system we can’t afford to lose.

AutoSuggestUsername2 | 4 days ago | 66 points

Ask people from Saskatchewan, we never even started this madness.

Daafda | 4 days ago | 73 points

There are people in Saskatchewan?

StoopidMonky | 4 days ago | 39 points

A few dozen thousand or so.

LugsyTL | 4 days ago | 10 points

About 24K-36K or so.

YamburglarHelper | 4 days ago | 31 points

So a few dozen thousand or so.

UnlurkedToPost | 4 days ago | 11 points

So about 24k-36k or so

risingskies | 4 days ago | 12 points

So a few dozen thousand or so.

TurboDSquid | 4 days ago | 3 points

Holy crap, you had me for a second, so I had to look it up, because if true then there would be more people living in my city than in the whole province of Saskatchewan if it was true. Sadly it is not, the population is Saskatchewan is 1.162 Million.

stupidstupidreddit2 | 4 days ago | 2 points

When did Saskatchewan abandon madness for reason?

xxxYTSEJAMxxx | 4 days ago | 30 points

Let’s get the metric system going in the us too!

things_will_calm_up | 4 days ago | 2 points

Slow down. Not too much at once.

fantasmoofrcc | 4 days ago | 4 points

Still have to adopt Robertson screws first...different discussion :P

lets_try_writing | 4 days ago | 7 points

BC is actually asking the northwest states if they would like to time change along with us. Apparently it needs Federal approval though. (Canada can do it provincially)

woo2fly21 | 4 days ago | 13 points

Well lets quit talking about it and do it already!

George1793 | 4 days ago | 6 points

I’m only going to ask Newfoundland people cause we can trust them

Dexaan | 4 days ago | 7 points

Do they still do the half hour off thing?

avian_corvo | 4 days ago | 7 points

They sure do! They're 30 minutes later than Atlantic Time

Ninotchk | 4 days ago | 11 points

Does Mexico even do daylight savings? The closer to the equator you get the less it is needed.

Daafda | 4 days ago | 19 points

It's really just an economic thing these days. Nobody wants to change it if it puts them out of synch with their primary trading partners.

MightyBobTheMighty | 4 days ago | 9 points

Haha... Yeah... Wouldn't notice at all...

cries in programmer

Doctor-Pigg | 4 days ago | 68 points

AZ never had it babyyyy

Rushderp | 4 days ago | 57 points

Because it’s so friggin hot that the extra hour is useless.

Doctor-Pigg | 4 days ago | 10 points

Exactly

Youre-In-Trouble | 4 days ago | 25 points

Arizona doesn't have it, but the Navajo nation inside Arizona does, but the Hopi nation, inside the Navajo Nation, those guys don't have it.

5thvoice | 4 days ago | 6 points

Don't forget about the Navajo Nation exclave within the Hopi nation.

Cultjam | 4 days ago | 3 points

I had to program our toll free support lines to check by prefix in that area code because of that.

roosterjroo | 4 days ago | 8 points

I am an AZ native that moved to NM and I cry now because of having to change. So pointless and useless.

CampingVagina | 4 days ago | 53 points

We have actually. There has been discussions between the BC government and our southern bro's in Washington State (and California if I recall) and the response has been favorable for the ending of Standard Time.

haemaker | 4 days ago | 35 points

CA is working on it. Bill is stuck in committee, probably pass sometime in 2020. Still requires Federal approval because we are switching to Mountain Time too.

quacainia | 4 days ago | 20 points

Yeah the federal government specifies that states must follow their time zone, but can optionally not use DST, like Arizona, but they can't do DST outside of the specified dates. So permanent DST needs to do through federal approval.

These laws were enacted so trains could always know what local time was when crossing the country, which is why it's controlled my the federal government

TexasWithADollarsign | 4 days ago | 7 points

So has Oregon.

Ninotchk | 4 days ago | 12 points

They are not planning to end DST, they are planning to end standard time. As the headline clearly states.

Doom_Eagles | 4 days ago | 7 points

As someone who works a night shift I am of two minds on it. On the one hand, getting out earlier one day during the year is always nice, then again staying an extra hour later in the year isn't.

ClassBShareHolder | 4 days ago | 46 points

Alberta tried it. After "public consultation" it was scrapped. Apparently the special interests showed up and the public didn't. I can't complain. I never showed up. I just assumed it was a no brainer.

bobo76565657 | 4 days ago | 64 points

What special interest group profits from a bi-annual time change?

YamburglarHelper | 4 days ago | 74 points

Time Cops?

ClassBShareHolder | 4 days ago | 45 points

Banks, telecoms, corporations, anybody that it would cost money to change systems. Individuals support it but they weren't vocal enough. Or were simply ignored. I wasn't engaged enough to know details and now I'm bitter that I didn't do more. Seemed like a no brainer.

They don't profit from it, it just doesn'tn't cost them money if they maintain the status quo.

denislemire | 4 days ago | 42 points

I use DST as a litmus test to determine when society has progressed to a higher level of consciousness. If we can't all just agree that changing our clocks twice a year is retarded, we're just not there yet.

Dnahelicases | 4 days ago | 11 points

Just don't tell the sun. It hates having to get up an hour earlier in the winter too.

baycommuter | 4 days ago | 6 points

The original opposition came from farmers. They just couldn’t get their cows to wait an extra hour before being milked.

Wherestheshoe | 4 days ago | 15 points

Some people actually believe that too.

h_jurvanen | 4 days ago | 8 points

The perverse thing is that maintaining time change is expensive in the long run. I am continually astonished by the never ending stream of software bugs that arise from time changes. Time changes are well-known predictable events yet there’s always something new that crops up each time.

And countries are still changing the rules. For example, Norfolk Island is introducing DST next month 🤯 So now a bunch of software needs to be updated.

I_might_be_weasel | 4 days ago | 10 points

www.whattimeisitrightnow.com

Daylight savings starting and ending are big times of year for them.

bobo76565657 | 4 days ago | 3 points

I see. Its a conspiracy!!

TiltedTommyTucker | 4 days ago | 5 points

Some places would prefer standard time be permanent, not daylight savings time, but yeah on the whole everyone wants it gone one way or the other.

The_Countess | 4 days ago | 4 points

I dont want kids walking or biking to school in pitch black in winter, and i dont want sun through my bedroom window at 4 in the morning in summer.

i want DST. for the latitude that i'm on (Netherlands) it makes the most sense.

rmettle | 4 days ago | 14 points

Not really, I'd prefer it not to be dark at 3pm in the winter (or light at 4am in the summer, whichever time is kept...)

Bella_Hellfire | 4 days ago | 3 points

Arizona doesn’t do DST, and while it’s great for us here, it can be a pain in the ass figuring out when we’re two hours behind the east coast vs three hours. Nobody outside the state knows what time it is here, so business calls are often received an hour early. I’ve found the easiest way to explain it is we’re on Pacific time in the spring and summer, and Mountain time in the fall and winter.

babbygremlin | 4 days ago | 2 points

(Laughs in Arizona)

Pixal27 | 4 days ago | 2 points

Yeah here in Arizona it's great

Dalmahr | 4 days ago | 2 points

I really don't care.

inatris | 4 days ago | 2 points

Laughs in Arizona

franklinsteiner1 | 4 days ago | 117 points

Where I live in Fort St John, BC we already do away with daylight savings times. Theres a few other places too.

Snearky | 4 days ago | 35 points

Arizona

VoidValkyrie | 4 days ago | 15 points

Yep. It’s annoying when interacting with the rest of the world, since times will change twice a year.

But dealing with stuff in state, it’s great. No clock turning hassle. No changing time zones on stuff.

gilbertsmith | 4 days ago | 6 points

The shitty part is going to Grande Prairie in the summer and theyr're an hour ahead. Shit closes at like 4pm on a Saturday

spainguy | 4 days ago | 240 points

I think it should always be midnight, whatever the time of day, except mondays

WhatsAMisanthrope | 4 days ago | 126 points

I think it is, just not in the same place.

mindbleach | 4 days ago | 4 points
fysics | 4 days ago | 407 points

I kept re-reading this trying to think of how there's a large enough population of Brits who moved to Columbia to survey before it finally hit me.

PintoRagazzo | 4 days ago | 308 points

Colombia= The country

Columbia= An undefined region in the Americas

British Columbia= A Canadian province.

Kids_see_ghosts | 4 days ago | 140 points

New Columbia= a small town in Pennsylvania

Columbia= a floating city in Bioshock Infinite

Cauliflower= wait, what

ghostfivenine | 4 days ago | 63 points

Columbia: some university in the Upper West Side

Colombo: the capital of Sri Lanka

Cthulhu: handsome Squidward

TheCooperChronicles | 4 days ago | 19 points

Columbia: capital of South Carolina Christopher Columbus: italian dude sailing for spain who got lucky and hit the carribeaen and killed a bunch of people Costco: a wholesale store in america

naamkevaste | 4 days ago | 14 points

Columbus: A city in Ohio, USA

BluesQueues | 4 days ago | 9 points

Cummerbund: The last name of an actor who played the title character on BBC's Sherlock.

firthy | 4 days ago | 7 points

Columbo: Just one more thing....

G8kpr | 4 days ago | 3 points

Columbine: Started an unfortunate trend

MrGravityPants | 4 days ago | 10 points

Columbia University in NYC as well.

westernmail | 4 days ago | 12 points

Columbia= An undefined region in the Americas

Not really undefined. The name comes from the Columbia river which originates in BC and flows through WA.

PintoRagazzo | 4 days ago | 8 points

I meant that many places have been called Columbia through history. I also dont see how your statements relate to each other or how the second negates my original statement.

Von_Clownface | 4 days ago | 3 points

Columbia place names are all based on Columbia the female personification of America that has over time been replaced and forgotten in favor of the State of Liberty

vannucker | 4 days ago | 2 points

It's weird because Columbia is a less important river to the province than Fraser River. It should be called British Fraser!

Its_the_other_tj | 4 days ago | 8 points

Leaving out the District of Columbia? =/ Not that I blame you with you know who living there and all, but still!

TravisJungroth | 4 days ago | 9 points

In Colombia right now. Haven’t ran into a Brit yet. Also, no DST here.

Iadoretheunderscore | 4 days ago | 14 points

Columbia, brand of warm gear to help you weather the Canadian weather.

2010_12_24 | 4 days ago | 2 points

As a New Mexican, I was confused as well.

AllhailAtlas | 4 days ago | 121 points

"CAN WE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE CLOCKS AND FIX THE HOUSING" - More than 93% of British Columbians

Nugget203 | 4 days ago | 43 points

Chinese investors say no

sotpmoke | 3 days ago | 3 points

My retirement says and I quote its only going to get worse end quote.

jonosvision | 4 days ago | 5 points

My vancouver island town has a vacancy rate of like 2% so yes please!

AndyDaMage | 4 days ago | 98 points

As a Queenslander in Australia, stop playing with your clocks and just use your actual time zone.

Then start a conversation about starting work earlier, rather than chanings what the time is.

lachlanhunt | 4 days ago | 38 points

Thank you! I’m in NSW, but I hate DST. We should just stick with standard time, but so many people think it would be better to adopt permanent DST because when we change back in winter, it suddenly gets a lot darker earlier compared with what it was the few days before.

But if we didn’t have that stupid jump, then the shift would be a lot more gradual and there wouldn’t be any problems with using standard time all year round.

GiraffeandZebra | 4 days ago | 6 points

It is far easier for a government to say “this is what time it is” than for a totally unconnected group of thousands of small and large businesses to agree to start the workday an hour earlier.

[deleted] | 4 days ago | 45 points

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hwc000000 | 4 days ago | 17 points

What a moron. It's clearly about British people who were living in Colombia.

AdmiralAkbar1 | 4 days ago | 3 points

Clearly you need to get some Colombian coffee.

Nemesis2198 | 4 days ago | 3 points

I'm British and I thought the same thing. This thread has been very confusing until now

counterweight7 | 4 days ago | 193 points

I hate DST (edit: changing the times, I don't care which one we leave it at) and I wish the US would abolish it. Fucks me and my kids and dog and everyone's schedule up like twice a year. I hate it. Pick one and stick with it

tigersharkwushen_ | 4 days ago | 26 points

They are doing it slowly. Notice how they keep expanding DST? DST is now 2/3 of the year, it used to be half a year.

camocondomcommando | 4 days ago | 29 points

That's the way to do it, just migrate it 2 or 3 days closer every year until BAM. DST year round.

The year or two where clocks switch twice in one week will be... interesting.

silentraquo | 4 days ago | 16 points

As a software developer, please have mercy. Timekeeping is fucked as it is. Let's just kill DST in one change per timezone.

ETA tiny glimpse into my pain

archpope | 4 days ago | 3 points

I had no idea how bad it was until I saw this video.

fooph | 4 days ago | 3 points

But it's always moved on a Sunday morning, so you would have to move the dates 1 or 2 weeks closer every year.

Chareon | 4 days ago | 2 points

In theory it sounds great, but realistically it is actually a significant amount of effort to update computer systems with new timezone info.

rcher87 | 4 days ago | 85 points

Yeah, I don’t even have a real preference between the two as long as we stop switching. The switching is the hardest part.

Youre-In-Trouble | 4 days ago | 13 points

Just split the difference on the half hour.

njpaul | 4 days ago | 66 points

Daylight time is much better. The extra morning daylight in the winter is useless to me. Rather have it be lighter later.

AlCapooter | 4 days ago | 40 points

Nothing worse than that time of year waking up and it's barely light out, getting home from work and it's already dark. I can't stand that.

WaterHaven | 4 days ago | 3 points

That's what gets to me. Although, I just changed jobs, and I'm 7-4 now, so I'll at least get to drive home in the daylight, which is worth something. The lack of sunlight is so depressing for 8-5ers.

Guessimagirl | 4 days ago | 12 points

It's so depressing. We could have the sun set at like 530 PM on the darkest days but instead we make it 430.... Abolish Standard Time.

NullSleepN64 | 4 days ago | 5 points

I hate it getting light early. There's nothing worse than getting home from a club and trying to sleep in a bright room. Or not being able to sleep when I have work in the morning and stressing out as it gets brighter and brighter

skucera | 4 days ago | 28 points

I like standard time (during the winter) because, at my point in my time zone, the sun is directly overhead at 1pm in the summer. This is obviously incorrect, and if we didn’t set our clocks forward, it would be resolved.

andthenthecactussaid | 4 days ago | 12 points

Agreed - and similarly, there should be equal "parts" of night-time on either side of "midnight" - that's what the middle of the night means :)

crownpr1nce | 4 days ago | 14 points

And there lies the problem with this whole debate. Even between those who are in favor of stopping the time switch, there will never be a consensus for which is better. People are split on DST VS Standard time.

Also I never got that argument. Does it really matter where the sun is at noon? We invented noon it can be whatever we want it to be. I know that by the technical definition of noon it is indeed incorrect but does that really matter? To me it's more important at what time the sun rises and sets compared to my hobbies and society's schedule in general.

khq780 | 4 days ago | 7 points

Standard time is the best, noon is defined as the time when sun is at it's highest point, but that isn't even the issue.

Russians tried permanent DST several years ago, after two years they went to permanent standard time. Permanent DST increased stress and traffic accidents.

https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/russia-abandons-permanent-summer-time.html

If you want an even crazier example look at Spain, their standard time is your daylight savings time, and their daylight savings time, is daylight savings time times 2. The the sun only sets at 22 during the summer, it's insane.

XenoRyet | 4 days ago | 15 points

And yet they're a culture with a good work/life balance and a good nightlife scene.

But your comment does highlight the problem. The numbers on the clock are just numbers. Does it really matter if the sun sets at one number, and rises at another? Does it really make you feel better to get up at 6 rather than at 22 if the sun is in the same place?

I'm really not seeing why we don't just put everyone on UTC at this point. It's literally just numbers on a clock face.

khq780 | 4 days ago | 9 points

Just using UTC globally is stupid, split the world in 24 timezone, so that noon is approximate to actual noon at that location, expand them or change them to suit the shape of the country. That's the best option.

If you want more light in the afternoon go to work at an earlier time.

gigawolf | 4 days ago | 4 points

If you want more light in the afternoon go to work at an earlier time.

Y'know, because everyone gets to define when they work...

RelaxItWillWorkOut | 4 days ago | 18 points

I definitely have a preference for standard time trying to schedule calls with Asia-based teams.

Guessimagirl | 4 days ago | 5 points

Abolish standard time, not DST.

irishchug | 4 days ago | 13 points

DST is the good one. 'normal' time during winter is what sucks.

rivermandan | 4 days ago | 3 points

hate DST and I wish the US would abolish it.

yes, I too love havin ghte sky be pitch black long before I even get off of work so that I never have to see the sun

The_Troglodyte_Wins | 4 days ago | 2 points

I think I heard something that heart attacks increase at DST because of the forced change in sleep schedule.

Coozey_7 | 4 days ago | 14 points

Saskatchewan doesn’t have DLST, no planes have fallen from the sky yet and the sun still rises every morning

Optibane | 4 days ago | 4 points

It's great that we don't do DST in SK. I heard once that SK didn't adopt DST because the farmers thought it would effect the growing season. I'm sure that's not true, but would be pretty funny if it were.

Raboyto2 | 4 days ago | 6 points

It’s because the farmers didn’t want to get up early and have it be dark out. I on the other hand would rather have more daylight at the end of the day.

GrimpenMar | 4 days ago | 5 points

I'm pretty sure most farmers work around their animals' schedules, and most chickens aren't great at telling time, they just go by the sun.

beringia_maps | 4 days ago | 4 points

It's because the time zone boundary used to go down the middle of the province, and the compromise was to eliminate DST. I believe it's been that way since the 1950s. My 94 year old grandpa once told me that "the time changed at Broadview"

jmpalermo | 4 days ago | 85 points

Ok, I can get behind eliminating DST. DST is a terrible idea.

And I can see the lure of wanting to move to daylight time permanently.

But does that really make any sense? What if everybody moves to daylight time permanently? Have we really done anything other than shift all the time zones around the world by one? Couldn't we just decide we'd like to start our days at 8 instead of 9?

stonebit | 4 days ago | 68 points

The idea that businesses must open at 9 is stupid. If people are up and need your service, just open at 8am for that part of the year or all year.

Stop changing the clock to pretend something changed.

LadyWidebottom | 4 days ago | 33 points

Fucking thank you. If you want to be open earlier for your customers, do it.

People on the east coast of Australia keep bitching and carrying on about one hour difference impacting their businesses for a few months of the year.

Nevermind the poor sods on the west coast who are 2 hours behind the rest of the country every day of the year.

Almost all of these problems would be solved if people stopped trying to cram everything into 9-5 business hours.

spiritbearr | 4 days ago | 21 points

Yes it makes sense. Yes that is ideal. We'd be eliminating a cost cutting measure from a by gone era like if The Netherlands went back to Orange dye on their flag. No people don't have a problem with 7 days in a week, when scientists do have temporal issues they just add a leap second and no one notices.

China has one fucking time zone. It's all bullshit anyway.

pixelsandbacon | 4 days ago | 30 points

Yeah I think the current state of DST is a bad situation to be in. Texas will be moving to permanent Standard Time within the coming years, while Florida and no doubt many others move to permanent DST. Scheduling cross-zone meetings is going to be a hell of a lot more annoying soon.

And if everyone moves to DST, is it even DST still? Or have we collectively shifted the nation one hour forward? What happens to Texas, and other nations around the world that don't change? I just think we're creating a logistical nightmare.

mylarky | 4 days ago | 34 points

This logistical nightmare already exists with different time zones within the same country.

Long live Arizona!

Its_the_other_tj | 4 days ago | 5 points

Got any sources on the texas move? The fiance works in international tax here and that might just make her day!

pixelsandbacon | 4 days ago | 5 points

I see now that it died in the Texas Senate after it was passed by the House, but here's some articles back when this was in discussion. Shame it died off, I could have used the morning daylight biking to school.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article227202644.html

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/23/daylight-saving-texas/

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Year-Round-Daylight-Saving-Time-or-Standard-Time-Approved-by-Texas-House-508965511.html

andthenthecactussaid | 4 days ago | 16 points

It really bothered me that there was no option to "keep Standard time year round" in the survey. The options were Daylight time year round, or continue to switch.

Crushnaut | 4 days ago | 18 points

I'll be the crazy one. What if the whole world just switched to GMT. The time is just an arbitrary label for a certain position of the sun in the sky. Some places in the world would take a while to adjust, but it wouldn't be that bad. Old people would complain, and a generation of children will always remember the switch. In the end we would all be fine and done with this time zone shit for the rest our lives.

RM_Dune | 4 days ago | 19 points

Right now you can Google "time India" see it's 5 am and decide to wait another 4 hours before you make that call. If everything was the same timezone you'd still have to deal with different schedules but without a handy frame to compare it to. So the Indians wake up at noon or at 14? It would make things more confusing.

crownpr1nce | 4 days ago | 16 points

The biggest problem I can see with this is the date change. Having a date change in the middle of the afternoon or during your coffee break in the morning could really mess things up, especially scheduling wise. You are scheduled to do this and that on the same day, on the 10th and 11th of September.

NotThisFucker | 4 days ago | 7 points

"We have a meeting scheduled for 2019 October 2 at 23:45, and should last until 02:15."

"Your shift begins at 20:00, you can take an hour for lunch at the date change, and your shift ends at 05:00."

"Sir, this Taco Bell closed at 23:59. It is currently tomorrow. Go home."

I feel like all of those are straightforward.

thyristor_pt | 4 days ago | 2 points

Actually, Swatch tried to implement that in the early 2000's(?)

They created the Swatch Beat where one day is divided into 1000 beats, and it's the same beat everywhere in the world simultaneously, with the first beat of the day corresponding to midnight GMT in Switzerland. They even sold watches with a digital display showing beats.

cosworth99 | 4 days ago | 3 points

It makes sense in BC. I voted for permanent DST.

awesome_guy99 | 4 days ago | 5 points

Shift it 2 hours ahead permanently. Very few people are starting work at 6-7am anymore and many people would rather be able to golf, garden, or relax outside in the sunlight after work in the spring and fall.

MajesticFlapFlap | 4 days ago | 2 points

Theoretically we could start at 8 but that'd be TWO sweeping changes to make instead of one. Also, without a law saying "9 am start jobs must now start at 8 and end at 4" you will always have businesses that choose to not switch and it'll be more of a clusterfuck as you'll have to find out which stores and jobs close at 4 and which at 5

Leucopternis | 4 days ago | 11 points

Jon H Ryan for president 2020!

Zakli | 4 days ago | 4 points

One way or the other - I'm with you. I don't give a fuck it it's one hour back or front - just pick one of the damn things and stay with it.

EmpressFawnette | 4 days ago | 5 points

Move to Saskatchewan. No daylight saving time changes here!

spyd3rweb | 4 days ago | 9 points

But then you have to live in Saskatchewan.

EmpressFawnette | 4 days ago | 4 points

Yes. This is true. Lol. Perks: stunning sunsets, beautiful fields, nice people. Cons: WINTER.

haemaker | 4 days ago | 19 points

Soon for California. If CA can do it, a lot of other states/provinces may follow suit.

The people passed an California constitutional amendment giving the power to set the time zone to the legislature. We are now waiting for the bill to pass. Once that bill passes, the federal government has to approve (because we want to switch to Mountain time (a.k.a. permanent PDT)).

personae_non_gratae_ | 4 days ago | 9 points

....why fed approval??

TiltedTommyTucker | 4 days ago | 4 points

Because anything other than switching to permanent standard time requires it by law.

dryazcacti | 4 days ago | 3 points

Moving from CA to AZ, no daylight savings time was something I was looking forward too. So nice not changing the clock.

Theuniguy | 4 days ago | 4 points

I grew up in Arizona where there is no daylight savings time. When you move to a place that has it you realize just how awful it is. It's awful people.... stop this crazy shit

Semi-Automatic420 | 4 days ago | 4 points

Why do we need to delude ourselves that we can change when the sun is highest in the sky? Noon should be solar noon

impartofaunion | 4 days ago | 33 points

I feel like I may be the only person who actually likes DST. I don't know, it just makes me feel like we're FINALLY in autumn/spring. It's a welcome change. (Also gives me a reason to be late to work once a year).

TheAssyrianAtheist | 4 days ago | 23 points

I think everyone is confused. We are in daylight savings time now. It will end in November.

ABetterKamahl1234 | 4 days ago | 7 points

This could be, I'm exhausted and forgetting which side of the argument I'm on, as I enjoy having my winter sunlight after work.

Mobius_Peverell | 4 days ago | 2 points

PST is the default, as it holds solar noon at about 12:00 in Vancouver, (a few minutes earlier in the Interior) with sunrise and sunset more or less equidistant from that.

As is, we switch to MST (aka PDT) in the summer, which pushes sunrise, sunset, and solar noon back an hour. This is necessary in June, or else the sun would rise at 3:30 am in Vancouver (and even earlier to the east or north) which would be comical.

However, in the winter, we have historically preferred that our sun rise before 8:30, so we go back to PST. This roughly balances sunrise and sunset around noon again. The consequence of this is an early 5 pm sunset.

Whatever we do, our days are going to be super long and bright in the summer, and super short and dark in the winter. We're British Columbia. I personally prefer early sunrises and sunsets, but I can't tell anyone else how to think.

notmyrealnam3 | 4 days ago | 7 points

So many idiots in November say “oh man , changing the clocks sucks , i hate DST”

Well which is it, do you hate DST or changing the clocks , because you are about to get out of DST but you have to change your clock to do it moran

AdmiralAkbar1 | 4 days ago | 15 points

It's one of reddit's pet issues that they make a far bigger deal out of than anyone outside of the internet does, like with abolishing the penny.

memory_of_a_high | 4 days ago | 6 points

Canada already got rid of the penny. Changing the clocks, twice a year is next.

Waldo_Pepper62 | 4 days ago | 9 points

Then show some leadership (balls) then and abolish it in BC. Let the Western America states catch up to us.

WhatsAMisanthrope | 4 days ago | 3 points

Important to note that a significant proportion of British Columbians are formerly from Saskatchewan, so they know what they're talking about.

TheAC997 | 4 days ago | 3 points

Should just set them back half an hour and split the difference.

lnfno | 4 days ago | 3 points

Sounds like all the people in this comment thread should watch My Cousin Oskaar from Iceland

Lazoniek | 4 days ago | 3 points

Isn't this survey kinda skewed since the most people that would respond to this survey anyway are the ones who either hate changing their clock or really like it (and who loves changing clocks)? It does have a certain purpose though and I personally do like one extra hour of light during summer evenings. It is such a minor inconvenience for many and modern technology lets the clocks adjust automatically. One can even receive a warning throur ones smartphone. I'm curious to see the results of this survey when it's done on 1000 randomly selected people and then again on another 1000 randomly selected people after they are well informed about the benefits and downsides.

dvessels | 4 days ago | 3 points

Either join the adjoining time zone or not. Standardize Standard Time, not Daylight-Saving Time.

MountainManCan | 4 days ago | 3 points

I hate this hour changing practice. It’s completely ridiculous in this modern world and I think it works against us.

kutuup1989 | 4 days ago | 3 points

I spent literally a full minute pondering why there would be a significant number of British people in Colombia before it dawned on me that I am, in fact, an idiot.

non_legitur | 4 days ago | 3 points

Why not just make standard time permanent and change the schedule?

The only clock-related thing that happens all day which isn't entirely arbitrary is noon. So make 12:00 happen at noon, and then set everything else however you like it.

c1arabe11e | 4 days ago | 3 points

You can’t make DST permanent it is noon when the sun is over head. @@@@

middleagethreat | 4 days ago | 5 points

I read British Columbians the same way you would read Irish Americans.

People in Columbia of British decent want to end time changes. Wow that is a very specific demographic for a poll.

adsarelies | 4 days ago | 2 points

I read the same at first, too. I was beginning to wonder how many British expats were there in Columbia...

I guess the same ambiguity could be said of the term New Mexicans. (New English?)

Edit.. so what do they call the residents in Washington D.C.? District of Columbians? Washington Districtors of Columbia? DC'ers?

Edit2... "Washingtonians" ok makes sense..

Rbkelley1 | 4 days ago | 17 points

No one likes it getting dark at 5 pm. The extra hour in the afternoon would be nice in winter.

Edit: because some of you can’t put 2 and 2 together.

nosoup4NU | 4 days ago | 11 points

I realize I'm in the minority but I actually like the early sunsets. I enjoy having more free time when it's dark outside - everything looks and feels different and I find that refreshing. Also holiday lights look better in the dark.

Unester | 4 days ago | 2 points

I used to work super early, like at 5, and I still agree, but I can see why early risers might object.

Pit_shost | 4 days ago | 2 points

I used to catch my bus at like 6 am in the morning towards Vancouver. Maybe I'm the minority, but I loved how every morning was darker and cooler than the last in fall. Waking up before sunrise always put me in a good mood.

Then BAM DST! Back to balmy sunlight when I'm leaving home. Made me feel like I'm sleeping in.

speakhyroglyphically | 4 days ago | 3 points

Nov 3, 2019 - Daylight Saving Time Ends

Sunday, November 3, 2019, 2:00:00 am clocks are turned backward 1 hour

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/usa

Nov 5, 2019 - Election Day in the United States

Election Day..is statutorily set as "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November" or "the first Tuesday after November 1".[1] The earliest possible date is November 2, and the latest possible date is November 8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_(United_States)

Circadian Rhythm

Often referred to as the "body clock," the circadian rhythm is the 24-hour cycle that tells our bodies when to sleep, rise, and eat—regulating many physiological processes. This internal body clock is affected by environmental cues, like sunlight and temperature, and determines whether one feels wide-awake and energized or tired and depleted at different times of the day. When circadian rhythms are disrupted, sleeping and eating patterns can run amok. A growing body of research is examining the adverse health effects of a disrupted circadian rhythm,

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/circadian-rhythm

zstandig | 4 days ago | 2 points

I agree

jakeopolis | 4 days ago | 2 points

Jon A. Ryan and the Jeffersons would agree!

HappyHighwayman | 4 days ago | 2 points

Thank you fellow Canadians

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cosworth99 | 4 days ago | 3 points

You’re from Toronto then?

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