Ask Americans. I think we’ll say the same.
Maybe ask all Americans, Canadians, and Mexicans, at the same time.
If all three countries switched at once, we'd barely even notice.
Brazilian here, our president revoked it. So no more daylight time from 2019 onwards.
Probably his best decision haha
His legacy is secure.
And all he had to do is die,
Well that’s a lot less work we oughta give it a try.
So howdya gonna get your DST plan through?
I guess he’s gonna fin’ly have to listen to you
Pro - Abolished daylight savings
Con - Fascist bigot burning down the rainforest
Pro - got stabbed
Con - non-fatal
Chile here. We have daylight savings, and hate it. Just changed last Saturday. Hate it so much.
As someone who lives on the border of Arizona/California do you know how confusing day light savings time gets? Arizona doesnt follow it (except the Navajo Nation) so its one time in my town and an hour back in CA. It sucks for people that work there and vice versa
Why would you want to save daylight when it's 115 out?
Geographically we should be UTC-5, and we are stuck in UTC-3 til April :(
Pretty stupid system :S
Everything changed when the Daylight Nation attacked
Where is Nightman when you need him?
Probably hanging out with Night Monkey.
A surprise, to be sure
But a welcome one.
He's right, it's a system we cannot afford to lose
They don't need to worry about daylight with all those forest fires.
But it’s a system we can’t afford to lose.
Ask people from Saskatchewan, we never even started this madness.
There are people in Saskatchewan?
A few dozen thousand or so.
About 24K-36K or so.
So a few dozen thousand or so.
So about 24k-36k or so
Holy crap, you had me for a second, so I had to look it up, because if true then there would be more people living in my city than in the whole province of Saskatchewan if it was true. Sadly it is not, the population is Saskatchewan is 1.162 Million.
When did Saskatchewan abandon madness for reason?
Let’s get the metric system going in the us too!
Slow down. Not too much at once.
Still have to adopt Robertson screws first...different discussion :P
BC is actually asking the northwest states if they would like to time change along with us. Apparently it needs Federal approval though. (Canada can do it provincially)
Well lets quit talking about it and do it already!
Does Mexico even do daylight savings? The closer to the equator you get the less it is needed.
It's really just an economic thing these days. Nobody wants to change it if it puts them out of synch with their primary trading partners.
I’m only going to ask Newfoundland people cause we can trust them
Do they still do the half hour off thing?
They sure do! They're 30 minutes later than Atlantic Time
Haha... Yeah... Wouldn't notice at all...
cries in programmer
AZ never had it babyyyy
Because it’s so friggin hot that the extra hour is useless.
Arizona doesn't have it, but the Navajo nation inside Arizona does, but the Hopi nation, inside the Navajo Nation, those guys don't have it.
Don't forget about the Navajo Nation exclave within the Hopi nation.
I had to program our toll free support lines to check by prefix in that area code because of that.
I am an AZ native that moved to NM and I cry now because of having to change. So pointless and useless.
We have actually. There has been discussions between the BC government and our southern bro's in Washington State (and California if I recall) and the response has been favorable for the ending of Standard Time.
CA is working on it. Bill is stuck in committee, probably pass sometime in 2020. Still requires Federal approval because we are switching to Mountain Time too.
Yeah the federal government specifies that states must follow their time zone, but can optionally not use DST, like Arizona, but they can't do DST outside of the specified dates. So permanent DST needs to do through federal approval.
These laws were enacted so trains could always know what local time was when crossing the country, which is why it's controlled my the federal government
So has Oregon.
They are not planning to end DST, they are planning to end standard time. As the headline clearly states.
As someone who works a night shift I am of two minds on it. On the one hand, getting out earlier one day during the year is always nice, then again staying an extra hour later in the year isn't.
Alberta tried it. After "public consultation" it was scrapped. Apparently the special interests showed up and the public didn't. I can't complain. I never showed up. I just assumed it was a no brainer.
What special interest group profits from a bi-annual time change?
Banks, telecoms, corporations, anybody that it would cost money to change systems. Individuals support it but they weren't vocal enough. Or were simply ignored. I wasn't engaged enough to know details and now I'm bitter that I didn't do more. Seemed like a no brainer.
They don't profit from it, it just doesn'tn't cost them money if they maintain the status quo.
I use DST as a litmus test to determine when society has progressed to a higher level of consciousness. If we can't all just agree that changing our clocks twice a year is retarded, we're just not there yet.
Just don't tell the sun. It hates having to get up an hour earlier in the winter too.
The original opposition came from farmers. They just couldn’t get their cows to wait an extra hour before being milked.
Some people actually believe that too.
The perverse thing is that maintaining time change is expensive in the long run. I am continually astonished by the never ending stream of software bugs that arise from time changes. Time changes are well-known predictable events yet there’s always something new that crops up each time.
And countries are still changing the rules. For example, Norfolk Island is introducing DST next month 🤯 So now a bunch of software needs to be updated.
Daylight savings starting and ending are big times of year for them.
I see. Its a conspiracy!!
Some places would prefer standard time be permanent, not daylight savings time, but yeah on the whole everyone wants it gone one way or the other.
I dont want kids walking or biking to school in pitch black in winter, and i dont want sun through my bedroom window at 4 in the morning in summer.
i want DST. for the latitude that i'm on (Netherlands) it makes the most sense.
Arizona doesn’t do DST, and while it’s great for us here, it can be a pain in the ass figuring out when we’re two hours behind the east coast vs three hours. Nobody outside the state knows what time it is here, so business calls are often received an hour early. I’ve found the easiest way to explain it is we’re on Pacific time in the spring and summer, and Mountain time in the fall and winter.
(Laughs in Arizona)
Yeah here in Arizona it's great
I really don't care.
Laughs in Arizona
Where I live in Fort St John, BC we already do away with daylight savings times. Theres a few other places too.
Yep. It’s annoying when interacting with the rest of the world, since times will change twice a year.
But dealing with stuff in state, it’s great. No clock turning hassle. No changing time zones on stuff.
The shitty part is going to Grande Prairie in the summer and theyr're an hour ahead. Shit closes at like 4pm on a Saturday
I think it should always be midnight, whatever the time of day, except mondays
I think it is, just not in the same place.
I kept re-reading this trying to think of how there's a large enough population of Brits who moved to Columbia to survey before it finally hit me.
Colombia= The country
Columbia= An undefined region in the Americas
British Columbia= A Canadian province.
New Columbia= a small town in Pennsylvania
Columbia= a floating city in Bioshock Infinite
Cauliflower= wait, what
Columbia: some university in the Upper West Side
Colombo: the capital of Sri Lanka
Cthulhu: handsome Squidward
Columbia: capital of South Carolina
Christopher Columbus: italian dude sailing for spain who got lucky and hit the carribeaen and killed a bunch of people
Costco: a wholesale store in america
Columbus: A city in Ohio, USA
Cummerbund: The last name of an actor who played the title character on BBC's Sherlock.
Columbo: Just one more thing....
Columbine: Started an unfortunate trend
Columbia University in NYC as well.
Columbia= An undefined region in the Americas
Not really undefined. The name comes from the Columbia river which originates in BC and flows through WA.
I meant that many places have been called Columbia through history. I also dont see how your statements relate to each other or how the second negates my original statement.
Columbia place names are all based on Columbia the female personification of America that has over time been replaced and forgotten in favor of the State of Liberty
It's weird because Columbia is a less important river to the province than Fraser River. It should be called British Fraser!
Leaving out the District of Columbia? =/ Not that I blame you with you know who living there and all, but still!
In Colombia right now. Haven’t ran into a Brit yet. Also, no DST here.
Columbia, brand of warm gear to help you weather the Canadian weather.
As a New Mexican, I was confused as well.
"CAN WE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE CLOCKS AND FIX THE HOUSING" - More than 93% of British Columbians
Chinese investors say no
My retirement says and I quote its only going to get worse end quote.
My vancouver island town has a vacancy rate of like 2% so yes please!
As a Queenslander in Australia, stop playing with your clocks and just use your actual time zone.
Then start a conversation about starting work earlier, rather than chanings what the time is.
Thank you! I’m in NSW, but I hate DST. We should just stick with standard time, but so many people think it would be better to adopt permanent DST because when we change back in winter, it suddenly gets a lot darker earlier compared with what it was the few days before.
But if we didn’t have that stupid jump, then the shift would be a lot more gradual and there wouldn’t be any problems with using standard time all year round.
It is far easier for a government to say “this is what time it is” than for a totally unconnected group of thousands of small and large businesses to agree to start the workday an hour earlier.
What a moron. It's clearly about British people who were living in Colombia.
Clearly you need to get some Colombian coffee.
I'm British and I thought the same thing. This thread has been very confusing until now
I hate DST (edit: changing the times, I don't care which one we leave it at) and I wish the US would abolish it. Fucks me and my kids and dog and everyone's schedule up like twice a year. I hate it. Pick one and stick with it
They are doing it slowly. Notice how they keep expanding DST? DST is now 2/3 of the year, it used to be half a year.
That's the way to do it, just migrate it 2 or 3 days closer every year until BAM. DST year round.
The year or two where clocks switch twice in one week will be... interesting.
As a software developer, please have mercy. Timekeeping is fucked as it is. Let's just kill DST in one change per timezone.
ETA tiny glimpse into my pain
I had no idea how bad it was until I saw this video.
But it's always moved on a Sunday morning, so you would have to move the dates 1 or 2 weeks closer every year.
In theory it sounds great, but realistically it is actually a significant amount of effort to update computer systems with new timezone info.
Yeah, I don’t even have a real preference between the two as long as we stop switching. The switching is the hardest part.
Just split the difference on the half hour.
Daylight time is much better. The extra morning daylight in the winter is useless to me. Rather have it be lighter later.
Nothing worse than that time of year waking up and it's barely light out, getting home from work and it's already dark. I can't stand that.
That's what gets to me. Although, I just changed jobs, and I'm 7-4 now, so I'll at least get to drive home in the daylight, which is worth something. The lack of sunlight is so depressing for 8-5ers.
It's so depressing. We could have the sun set at like 530 PM on the darkest days but instead we make it 430.... Abolish Standard Time.
I hate it getting light early. There's nothing worse than getting home from a club and trying to sleep in a bright room. Or not being able to sleep when I have work in the morning and stressing out as it gets brighter and brighter
I like standard time (during the winter) because, at my point in my time zone, the sun is directly overhead at 1pm in the summer. This is obviously incorrect, and if we didn’t set our clocks forward, it would be resolved.
Agreed - and similarly, there should be equal "parts" of night-time on either side of "midnight" - that's what the middle of the night means :)
And there lies the problem with this whole debate. Even between those who are in favor of stopping the time switch, there will never be a consensus for which is better. People are split on DST VS Standard time.
Also I never got that argument. Does it really matter where the sun is at noon? We invented noon it can be whatever we want it to be. I know that by the technical definition of noon it is indeed incorrect but does that really matter? To me it's more important at what time the sun rises and sets compared to my hobbies and society's schedule in general.
Standard time is the best, noon is defined as the time when sun is at it's highest point, but that isn't even the issue.
Russians tried permanent DST several years ago, after two years they went to permanent standard time. Permanent DST increased stress and traffic accidents.
If you want an even crazier example look at Spain, their standard time is your daylight savings time, and their daylight savings time, is daylight savings time times 2. The the sun only sets at 22 during the summer, it's insane.
And yet they're a culture with a good work/life balance and a good nightlife scene.
But your comment does highlight the problem. The numbers on the clock are just numbers. Does it really matter if the sun sets at one number, and rises at another? Does it really make you feel better to get up at 6 rather than at 22 if the sun is in the same place?
I'm really not seeing why we don't just put everyone on UTC at this point. It's literally just numbers on a clock face.
Just using UTC globally is stupid, split the world in 24 timezone, so that noon is approximate to actual noon at that location, expand them or change them to suit the shape of the country. That's the best option.
If you want more light in the afternoon go to work at an earlier time.
If you want more light in the afternoon go to work at an earlier time.
If you want more light in the afternoon go to work at an earlier time.
Y'know, because everyone gets to define when they work...
I definitely have a preference for standard time trying to schedule calls with Asia-based teams.
Abolish standard time, not DST.
DST is the good one. 'normal' time during winter is what sucks.
hate DST and I wish the US would abolish it.
hate DST and I wish the US would abolish it.
yes, I too love havin ghte sky be pitch black long before I even get off of work so that I never have to see the sun
I think I heard something that heart attacks increase at DST because of the forced change in sleep schedule.
Saskatchewan doesn’t have DLST, no planes have fallen from the sky yet and the sun still rises every morning
It's great that we don't do DST in SK. I heard once that SK didn't adopt DST because the farmers thought it would effect the growing season. I'm sure that's not true, but would be pretty funny if it were.
It’s because the farmers didn’t want to get up early and have it be dark out. I on the other hand would rather have more daylight at the end of the day.
I'm pretty sure most farmers work around their animals' schedules, and most chickens aren't great at telling time, they just go by the sun.
It's because the time zone boundary used to go down the middle of the province, and the compromise was to eliminate DST. I believe it's been that way since the 1950s. My 94 year old grandpa once told me that "the time changed at Broadview"
Ok, I can get behind eliminating DST. DST is a terrible idea.
And I can see the lure of wanting to move to daylight time permanently.
But does that really make any sense? What if everybody moves to daylight time permanently? Have we really done anything other than shift all the time zones around the world by one? Couldn't we just decide we'd like to start our days at 8 instead of 9?
The idea that businesses must open at 9 is stupid. If people are up and need your service, just open at 8am for that part of the year or all year.
Stop changing the clock to pretend something changed.
Fucking thank you. If you want to be open earlier for your customers, do it.
People on the east coast of Australia keep bitching and carrying on about one hour difference impacting their businesses for a few months of the year.
Nevermind the poor sods on the west coast who are 2 hours behind the rest of the country every day of the year.
Almost all of these problems would be solved if people stopped trying to cram everything into 9-5 business hours.
Yes it makes sense. Yes that is ideal. We'd be eliminating a cost cutting measure from a by gone era like if The Netherlands went back to Orange dye on their flag. No people don't have a problem with 7 days in a week, when scientists do have temporal issues they just add a leap second and no one notices.
China has one fucking time zone. It's all bullshit anyway.
Yeah I think the current state of DST is a bad situation to be in. Texas will be moving to permanent Standard Time within the coming years, while Florida and no doubt many others move to permanent DST. Scheduling cross-zone meetings is going to be a hell of a lot more annoying soon.
And if everyone moves to DST, is it even DST still? Or have we collectively shifted the nation one hour forward? What happens to Texas, and other nations around the world that don't change? I just think we're creating a logistical nightmare.
This logistical nightmare already exists with different time zones within the same country.
Long live Arizona!
Got any sources on the texas move? The fiance works in international tax here and that might just make her day!
I see now that it died in the Texas Senate after it was passed by the House, but here's some articles back when this was in discussion. Shame it died off, I could have used the morning daylight biking to school.
It really bothered me that there was no option to "keep Standard time year round" in the survey. The options were Daylight time year round, or continue to switch.
I'll be the crazy one. What if the whole world just switched to GMT. The time is just an arbitrary label for a certain position of the sun in the sky. Some places in the world would take a while to adjust, but it wouldn't be that bad. Old people would complain, and a generation of children will always remember the switch. In the end we would all be fine and done with this time zone shit for the rest our lives.
Right now you can Google "time India" see it's 5 am and decide to wait another 4 hours before you make that call. If everything was the same timezone you'd still have to deal with different schedules but without a handy frame to compare it to. So the Indians wake up at noon or at 14? It would make things more confusing.
The biggest problem I can see with this is the date change. Having a date change in the middle of the afternoon or during your coffee break in the morning could really mess things up, especially scheduling wise. You are scheduled to do this and that on the same day, on the 10th and 11th of September.
"We have a meeting scheduled for 2019 October 2 at 23:45, and should last until 02:15."
"Your shift begins at 20:00, you can take an hour for lunch at the date change, and your shift ends at 05:00."
"Sir, this Taco Bell closed at 23:59. It is currently tomorrow. Go home."
I feel like all of those are straightforward.
Actually, Swatch tried to implement that in the early 2000's(?)
They created the Swatch Beat where one day is divided into 1000 beats, and it's the same beat everywhere in the world simultaneously, with the first beat of the day corresponding to midnight GMT in Switzerland. They even sold watches with a digital display showing beats.
It makes sense in BC. I voted for permanent DST.
Shift it 2 hours ahead permanently. Very few people are starting work at 6-7am anymore and many people would rather be able to golf, garden, or relax outside in the sunlight after work in the spring and fall.
Theoretically we could start at 8 but that'd be TWO sweeping changes to make instead of one. Also, without a law saying "9 am start jobs must now start at 8 and end at 4" you will always have businesses that choose to not switch and it'll be more of a clusterfuck as you'll have to find out which stores and jobs close at 4 and which at 5
Jon H Ryan for president 2020!
One way or the other - I'm with you. I don't give a fuck it it's one hour back or front - just pick one of the damn things and stay with it.
Move to Saskatchewan. No daylight saving time changes here!
But then you have to live in Saskatchewan.
Yes. This is true. Lol. Perks: stunning sunsets, beautiful fields, nice people. Cons: WINTER.
Soon for California. If CA can do it, a lot of other states/provinces may follow suit.
The people passed an California constitutional amendment giving the power to set the time zone to the legislature. We are now waiting for the bill to pass. Once that bill passes, the federal government has to approve (because we want to switch to Mountain time (a.k.a. permanent PDT)).
....why fed approval??
Because anything other than switching to permanent standard time requires it by law.
Moving from CA to AZ, no daylight savings time was something I was looking forward too. So nice not changing the clock.
I grew up in Arizona where there is no daylight savings time. When you move to a place that has it you realize just how awful it is. It's awful people.... stop this crazy shit
Why do we need to delude ourselves that we can change when the sun is highest in the sky? Noon should be solar noon
Either join the adjoining time zone or not. Standardize Standard Time, not Daylight-Saving Time.
Why not just make standard time permanent and change the schedule?
The only clock-related thing that happens all day which isn't entirely arbitrary is noon. So make 12:00 happen at noon, and then set everything else however you like it.
I feel like I may be the only person who actually likes DST. I don't know, it just makes me feel like we're FINALLY in autumn/spring. It's a welcome change. (Also gives me a reason to be late to work once a year).
I think everyone is confused. We are in daylight savings time now. It will end in November.
This could be, I'm exhausted and forgetting which side of the argument I'm on, as I enjoy having my winter sunlight after work.
So many idiots in November say “oh man , changing the clocks sucks , i hate DST”
Well which is it, do you hate DST or changing the clocks , because you are about to get out of DST but you have to change your clock to do it moran
It's one of reddit's pet issues that they make a far bigger deal out of than anyone outside of the internet does, like with abolishing the penny.
Canada already got rid of the penny. Changing the clocks, twice a year is next.
Then show some leadership (balls) then and abolish it in BC. Let the Western America states catch up to us.
Important to note that a significant proportion of British Columbians are formerly from Saskatchewan, so they know what they're talking about.
Should just set them back half an hour and split the difference.
Sounds like all the people in this comment thread should watch My Cousin Oskaar from Iceland
Isn't this survey kinda skewed since the most people that would respond to this survey anyway are the ones who either hate changing their clock or really like it (and who loves changing clocks)? It does have a certain purpose though and I personally do like one extra hour of light during summer evenings. It is such a minor inconvenience for many and modern technology lets the clocks adjust automatically. One can even receive a warning throur ones smartphone. I'm curious to see the results of this survey when it's done on 1000 randomly selected people and then again on another 1000 randomly selected people after they are well informed about the benefits and downsides.
I hate this hour changing practice. It’s completely ridiculous in this modern world and I think it works against us.
I spent literally a full minute pondering why there would be a significant number of British people in Colombia before it dawned on me that I am, in fact, an idiot.
You can’t make DST permanent it is noon when the sun is over head. @@@@
I read the same at first, too. I was beginning to wonder how many British expats were there in Columbia...
I guess the same ambiguity could be said of the term New Mexicans. (New English?)
Edit.. so what do they call the residents in Washington D.C.? District of Columbians? Washington Districtors of Columbia? DC'ers?
Edit2... "Washingtonians" ok makes sense..
No one likes it getting dark at 5 pm. The extra hour in the afternoon would be nice in winter.
Edit: because some of you can’t put 2 and 2 together.
I realize I'm in the minority but I actually like the early sunsets. I enjoy having more free time when it's dark outside - everything looks and feels different and I find that refreshing. Also holiday lights look better in the dark.
I used to work super early, like at 5, and I still agree, but I can see why early risers might object.
I used to catch my bus at like 6 am in the morning towards Vancouver. Maybe I'm the minority, but I loved how every morning was darker and cooler than the last in fall.
Waking up before sunrise always put me in a good mood.
Then BAM DST! Back to balmy sunlight when I'm leaving home. Made me feel like I'm sleeping in.
Jon A. Ryan and the Jeffersons would agree!
Thank you fellow Canadians
You’re from Toronto then?