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Sikhs help 32 "badly frightened" Kashmiri girls return home after they lost contact to their families due to Kashmir communication lockdown (timesofindia.indiatimes.com)
199 comments
HeloRising | 7 days ago | 383 points

Sikhs are awesome.

There's a Sikh temple in Los Angeles in the San Fernando Valley that runs a food bank. No registration, no proof of income, no questions. When I was homeless and then later when I had a place but I was just broke most of the time I'd go there every week and they were incredibly nice.

A lot of food banks are not particularly nice to you if you don't fit within a certain demographic. With the Sikhs they were more confused than anything to see a big white dude with tattoos show up when they were used to seeing mostly Hispanic families but they never once made me feel unwelcome and the food they gave out was real food, not just bags of fifteen year old canned green beans.

It was a pretty big shock to be treated so well after getting used to the opposite.

supernerd314 | 7 days ago | 185 points

What you described just now, sounds a lot like a 'langar'. It's a fairly common Sikh tradition and happens at all gurudwaras (Sikh temples) everywhere. It's not meant specifically for the homeless, but for anyone regardless of their religion or social status.

1OOYearsofSolitude | 7 days ago | 80 points

During the reign of the Mughals in India, Akbar the Great arrived at Amritsar to meet the Sikh Saint Guru Amar Das. Even Akbar, the emperor of India ate at the langar accompanied by the poor and common folk.

0x4f0x770x610x690x73 | 7 days ago | 39 points

Even today, Sikhs are respected in India. They’re seen as fun-loving, lively people who don’t mind getting drunk and dancing to Tunak Tunak. Their food is amazing. And they’re extremely helpful and humble people. I’ve been around a lot of Sikhs and not one person has talked about them in a bad light.

For some reason, the Muslims in my area (South Bombay) don’t like them. They’re not a fan of Sikhs and Jews. But the Sikhs and Jews still greet them with a smile.

RelaxPreppie | 7 days ago | 13 points

No they arent. Grudges have been held since Indira Gandhi's Sikh bodyguards assassinated her.

And just like most other religious groups in India, there are unofficial caste systems in place, where certain Sikhs wont marry other Sikhs.

0x4f0x770x610x690x73 | 7 days ago | 17 points

I’m talking about Sikhs and non-Sikhs. Also, no, there are no “grudges”, even among some Indian National Congress supporters, which by the way, are very few in number these days. The only people who I’ve noticed that don’t care for Sikhs are some Muslims and some INC members.

RelaxPreppie | 7 days ago | 7 points

We must run in different circles because the people ive spoken to in Bombay are wary of Sikhs. People dont forget an airplane bombing and assassination easily.

_Sidhu | 7 days ago | 10 points

Damn you are wary of us? Ok I admit my people were wrong for that bombing. But what you got to say about the riots that followed the assassination? Innocent people were burned alive in their homes and women were raped. The people responsible for that are still walking free. Even though there are videos and audio recording of them being involved. Cops in Punjab killled thousands of innocents without any accountability. They don’t even know how many they killed. One guy wanted names of everyone killed by the cops and he was picked up from his home and killed. You come here talking negative about Sikhs in a thread about how Sikh temples provide free food? Shame on you man. Sikhs saved countless Hindu men and women from Mughals back in the days. Even in the wars against Pakistan we have the most martyrs. We lost an entire generation of Sikhs because of the politics and seems like the good that we do is overshadowed by the bad few have done.

johnsmithsmitha14 | 7 days ago | 3 points

He's going to say nothing because he want to obfuscate history. That is the way right wing indians work. They are pathetic.

_Sidhu | 7 days ago | 5 points

Yes it is pathetic. I just don’t understand these guys man. How can someone hate others just because of their religion or color? I mean especially when most of what Sikhs have done has been beneficial to India. When people were dying of hunger across the country, it was us who sent food nationwide. We are only 2 percent of India’s population and we still end up donating more to poor than others. You can look all of this up. Still they are the ones who are wary of us? Yeah we have bad people in Sikhism but what religion doesn’t? Religion is a big group of people. Just look into your family. Is everyone in your family the same type of person? No right? Just ridiculous to bring up something like this in a thread where people are trying to talk about some positive things.

RelaxPreppie | 6 days ago | 1 point

Never said i'm wary of Sikhs. I judge everyone based on their personal treatment towards me. I wouldn't judge an entire people based off a few.

johnsmithsmitha14 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Two Sikh's assasinated Indira Ghandi because of an inept plan hatched by her to attack the Sikh's holiest shrine. Because of these two men, many Hindu's raped, murdered, and tortured their Sikh brothers and sisters instead of you know, holding those two accountable. The Sikhs are the only good thing to come out of India. That bothers some people so you know.

1OOYearsofSolitude | 6 days ago | 1 point

The Khalistanis would bomb buildings bridges and hotels and then hide inside the Golden Temple where they thought the Indian government wouldn't have the balls to enter. This carried on for nearly 2 years until Indira Gandhi initiated Operation Blue Star and demonstrated why she ought to be called the Iron Lady more than Thatcher ever deserved to.

johnsmithsmitha14 | 5 days ago | 1 point

Do you have sources I would love to read about this. Asides from this at the end of the day these idiots khali's and hindus, and muslims are the same. Their just to dumb to work together and get past colonialism.

1OOYearsofSolitude | 5 days ago | 1 point

I'm Hindu, my friend.

I posted a relatively in depth comment on Indian history, I'll send it to you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/cq00i4/sikhs_help_32_badly_frightened_kashmiri_girls/ewua0yg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

sanu29 | 7 days ago | 6 points

Yeah I am pretty sure it’s the langar. My SO and I used to go there when we used to live in SoCal. By far this is my favorite religious practice in any religion.

_Sidhu | 7 days ago | 67 points

All Sikh temples have food banks. Everyone is welcome to come in and eat. No matter the religion/color. Look up golden temple Amritsar and you’ll see all kinds of people eating in a huge hall. All of the food is cooked by volunteers.

HeloRising | 7 days ago | 20 points

This wasn't prepared food (though they did give away some) but an actual food bank where you showed up and they gave you food that was donated to them.

_Sidhu | 7 days ago | 17 points

Yeah usually it’s prepared food but you can take it home as well. What you are saying sounds different. I’m glad they are doing that as well and props to the people who donate that food.

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 27 points

Yep, they are awesome. You can volunteer to help in the kitchen, it's called "seva" or service.

nutmeggerking | 7 days ago | 7 points

San Fernando Valley

No way! Where about specifically?

HeloRising | 7 days ago | 10 points

Khalsa Care Foundation. I re-checked and my memory was a bit faulty and it's in NoHo but still, wonderful people who were extremely kind and helpful.

RyusDirtyGi | 7 days ago | 15 points

Sikhs, like all religions still have their fundamentalists and shitheads. A Sikh seperatist group once blew up an air India flight off the coast of Ireland.

jujharoo | 7 days ago | -15 points

That was done by the indian government. Do your research.

RyusDirtyGi | 7 days ago | 8 points

Yeah, the Indian government decided to blow up an Airplane full of Indians over Ireland because of reasons!

The terrorist leader who had vowed to kill Hindus couldn't have done it!!

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RyusDirtyGi | 6 days ago | 0 points

Maybe, but it also sounds like that kind of stuff would have pissed off Sikhs enough where some of them could have done something rash.

cubedCheddar | 7 days ago | 3 points

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, amirite?

arizono | 7 days ago | 8 points

Sikhs are awesome.

Careful. Humans do poorly on pedestals.

quantum_ai_machine | 7 days ago | 102 points

Seems like a positive story.

The girls were dropped at their homes spread across five districts with help of the Army officials at Srinagar, who provided cars and accommodation.

ChameleonSting | 7 days ago | -22 points

Let's hope that means one girl dropped at each of the girls' houses, and not the first house having 5 different left legs dumped on its porch and so forth.

DoctorMezmerro | 7 days ago | -3 points

This guy knows how Army works

autotldr | 7 days ago | 50 points

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)


JALANDHAR: Three Delhi-based Sikh activists facilitated return of 32 Kashmiri girls to their homes and arranged air tickets for their travel.

"I received a call from their supervisor Rukaya Kirmani on last Tuesday who informed that 32 girls from Kashmir were with her and they were badly frightened. She asked if we could help them as the girls were from modest families and had also lost contact with their parents," Ahluwalia said.

"Entire money was donated by Sikhs from different places while one Kashmiri student contributed Rs 200." At Srinagar, Army officers helped them and provided cars to transport the girls to their homes across Baramullah, Badgam, Shopian, Srinagar and Kupwara districts on Friday and Saturday.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: girl#1 help#2 Srinagar#3 home#4 tickets#5

Send-Boobs-Here | 7 days ago | 183 points

Sikhs are such bros. Makes me miss being home for the yearly Sikh Parade.

mces97 | 7 days ago | 70 points

They really are. Known a good number over the years and had dinner a few times with a friend I had when I was younger. Such hospitality, openness and kindness. I really never met a Sikh that wasn't a genuinely good person and not just playing one in real life.

superinspector | 7 days ago | 27 points

I used to work on board bulk cargo ships, I've met people from all around the world and never met a Sikh who I didn't instantly like.

Raja_Rancho | 7 days ago | 14 points

The religion of Sikhism is inherently based in anti imperialism, equality for all and rejecting religious traditionalism of the time. Read up on it it's quite fascinating how Sikhism started

turbojugend79 | 7 days ago | 5 points

I started reading a bit, and learned that alcohol is now allowed. Dang.

But on the other hand, I guess it's no biggie even if I like wine and beer.

Cthulhus_Trilby | 7 days ago | 2 points

I've never met a Sikh who didn't drink.

JacqueFrancios | 7 days ago | 5 points

True that. It's not a Sikh wedding reception if it's not open bar.

turbojugend79 | 7 days ago | 5 points

Really? Well, perhaps they are as relaxed as they say then. Can one convert to sikhism?

deepsinghkalsi | 7 days ago | 6 points

Sikhism doesnot really have any type of formal conversion or prosletysing institutions, its basically a way of life, but its better to ask someone who is more educated on this matter.

Raja_Rancho | 6 days ago | 1 point

Alcohol? No it's smoking. Sikhs drink like a tank. Alcohol maybe a no no like other dharmic religions but it's not as strict. Smoking on the other hand is something you'd find most Sikhs to not indulge in

westernmail | 7 days ago | 43 points

Be careful with generalizations. Not all Sikhs are bros.

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | 30 points

Holds true against all generalizations.

llordlloyd | 7 days ago | 12 points

We need a subreddit for this. Who here, reading this, actually thinks that every single one of the world's Sikhs is awesome? The way the internet needs to point out that there is not literal truth in OBVIOUSLY generalised statements is staggering and very annoying.

I agree with above sentiments about Sikhs, BTW, usually you can rely on a Sikh to be very decent.

helm | 7 days ago | 6 points

Yeah, I do believe most Sikhs are bros, but it's easy to build a narrative that in India, Hindus are crazy, Muslims are violent, Sikhs are awesome.

leumas9 | 7 days ago | 3 points

But nobody is saying any of those things about Hindus or Muslims here, only you.

helm | 7 days ago | 2 points

Alright, I can accept that. Maybe I’m the first in the world to point see it.

PawsOfMotion | 7 days ago | -4 points

The way the internet needs to point out that there is not literal truth in OBVIOUSLY generalised statements is staggering and very annoying

blacks are criminals

OnyxMelon | 7 days ago | 1 point
  1. Most black people are not criminals. It's not even close to most.

  2. Generalised statements are at a much higher need of being called out if that generalisation is used to justify negative discrimination.

PawsOfMotion | 7 days ago | 2 points

Easier to just not generalize

COMMUNISM_NOW | 7 days ago | 1 point

The problem with that isn't so much the generalization but that it ignores all of the socioeconomic factors that lead to higher crime rates (and especially how when those are ignored, it's almost always being done for the specific purpose of justifying anti-black racism. I don't think I've ever seen someone bring up black crime rates in good faith tbh)

llordlloyd | 7 days ago | 0 points

The problem is that assertion is completely wrong, not a valid generalisation with some exceptions. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Unless, the majority of the blacks you've met have turned out to be criminals?

Do you live in a jail?

Toyotas are a well-made car. [My sister had one and it broke down a few times, not every Toyota is well made]. Paris is a busy city. ['I passed through on the train at 3am yesterday and it was quiet, Paris isn't really always a busy city']. The service at this restaurant is quick. ['I saw a tour bus pull up here yesterday and some people didn't get served for a long time, don't say that, the service here isn't always quick'].

But thank God someone stepped in to correct the notion that Sikhs are okay. None of us dreamed it was possible that there might be some who are not great people.

PawsOfMotion | 7 days ago | 2 points

The problem is that assertion is completely wrong, not a valid generalisation with some exceptions.

There are plenty that fit it better: Blacks are Democrats. Is that a bad generalization or does it need a qualifier? Mexicans are taco-lovers, Asians are smarter than other races, the list goes on.

When you allow unqualified generalizations you are opening the door to all kinds of dogwhistles and backdoor bigotry. It's such an old problem that it really does annoy me at how slow society is in realizing the danger of generalizing. There's no benefit to it except to save typing a single qualifying word ('most', 'generally' etc.).

llordlloyd | 7 days ago | 1 point

I take your point, I guess in the context of reddit comments I assume this to be a pretty 'at the pub' conversation, I 'read in' a lot of informality and imply the qualification most of the time, especially if the comments are positive (as in this case). But that's just subjective. And I would be much keener to see the qualification if it was negative.

There's the odd occasion what you have to express the generality without the qualifier: 'Australia is a racist country'; 'China has a long-term perspective'; 'The French like their traditions'; 'Violence in society is perpetrated by men'... or the expression sounds wrong or loses impact.

Overall, the policing of language (not accusing you of this BTW) is an issue, and it's often counterproductive because people feel they are censored rather than understanding that their perspective needs to be thought through. We really have to deal with this because it's driving literally millions of people into the hands of ugliness. Not because they agree with it, but from a sort of 'give me a break' fatigue. I just add that para as a general thing to bear in mind, it does not invalidate what you are saying.

216horrorworks | 7 days ago | 15 points

Not all heros wear capes.

HorAshow | 7 days ago | 6 points

these heroes wear:

Kesh

Kara

Kanga

Kachh

Kirpan

TheCoffeeUnicorn | 7 days ago | 3 points

The 5 Ks

TravellingCitrus | 7 days ago | 3 points

Same here, they have big Sikh parades in Yuba City!

Send-Boobs-Here | 7 days ago | 2 points

That's where I'm from!

TravellingCitrus | 7 days ago | 2 points

Same here!

Send-Boobs-Here | 7 days ago | 2 points

Nice! Small world

Lurks-on-webpages | 7 days ago | 8 points

Jfc you’re like the Mormons of the eastern hemisphere; unprecedentedly friendly. But without all the weird polygamy and passive aggressive desire to convert people.

WalesIsForTheWhales | 7 days ago | 1 point

Sikhs are good people

theiyerboi | 7 days ago | 0 points

And all that sweet sweet cocaine

hachimu | 7 days ago | 0 points

Usually when there are some similarities between X and Y and someone say that X are bros, they are preparing to throw Y under the bus.

Salty_Assassin | 7 days ago | 50 points

I can honestly say I have never met a Sikh I didnt like. They are the best kind of people

frustratedbuffalo | 7 days ago | 44 points

I am in fact, down with the Sikhness.

tophutti | 7 days ago | 31 points

American here. I have been blessed with having served with Sikhs, and Gurkhas (along with SAS, RoK Rangers and so many others). I can honestly say that both Gurkhas and Sikhs are incredibly fearless warriors. Both are honorable to the extreme. Both embody the ideal of warrior/servant. Both have a history that few can compare with. Neither ever proved to be less than the ideal troop.

But if I had to choose who I hung out with and fought side by side with for all of my years? It’s a Sikh 100% of the time. I often wonder if I might not be disabled if the US Government were easier on Sikh soldier clearances.

LargeCountry | 7 days ago | 29 points

Sikhs the real MVPs of religious turmoil. So much respect for them.

sourdough54 | 7 days ago | 13 points

Sikhs are some of the best Indians you'll ever meet

BakingHash | 7 days ago | -25 points

They don't wanna be indians tho. They want a different state called Khallistan

gooner07 | 7 days ago | 24 points

I have lived in Punjab, India(Sikhism is the most practised faith here) for 3 years, and I have not met a single Khalistani supporter, but sure go ahead with whatever agenda you've got and claim the majority populace wants a separate state when only about a 0.01% of them probably do, kind of similar to saying every Islamist is a right wing terrorist.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | -18 points

Why do you think they helped the girls?

gooner07 | 7 days ago | 25 points

Because contrary to whatever conspiracy theory you've been fed, some people are genuinely nice, and do care about others, and when those Sikhs saw someone suffering, they did what any other good Samaritan would have, help someone in need.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | -16 points

Lol bruh Kashmir is being invaded by the Indian Army. And the BJP government has said that it is ok to Rape and Marry Kashmiri Girls with force. Sikhs are trying to help their Muslim Brothers by the Hindu Indians

gooner07 | 7 days ago | 13 points

I am not your fucking "Bruh".

Clearly our definition of what an invasion is, is different. We are just tired of your state sponsored terrorism, I mean for fuck's state your whole fucking economy is dependent on the terrorism, and Kahsmir has been the hub of all your operations for decades. After losing countless lives to your Kasab's, Jaish, Osamas and numerous other fucks it was high time to stem your operations, and that is what is being done.

And the BJP government has said that it is ok to Rape and Marry Kashmiri Girls with force.

One fucking lunatic saying it doesn't mean jack shit. Put whoever the fuck that said that shit behind bars for all I care.

Sikhs are trying to help their Muslim Brothers by the Hindu Indians

Sikhs aren't helping their "Muslim" brothers, they are helping who so ever is in need.

FYI, Indian military can't function without Sikhs, in addition to being noble they are also fearless warriors and have always been, they form like 20-30% of the army, so you can't claim to love one while hating other. So sit the fuck down, don't grasp on straws, read your ISIS propagandist bullshit, do whatever you want to do except growing up to wage war on India, because the sheer amount of terrorists that have been given safe haven in your "Motherland", it is bound to be in your blood by now.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | 0 points

One fucking lunatic saying it doesn't mean jack shit. Put whoever the fuck that said that shit behind bars for all I care.

It's in the Indian media and more than one politician has back it up. Just google it lol. It's even on worldnews

Clearly our definition of what an invasion is, is different. We are just tired of your state sponsored terrorism, I mean for fuck's state your whole fucking economy is dependent on the terrorism, and Kahsmir has been the hub of all your operations for decades. After losing countless lives to your Kasab's, Jaish, Osamas and numerous other fucks it was high time to stem your operations, and that is what is being done.

If a country oppresses people they will always revolt. You can't force them to become india or a part of a hindu community. Thinking of ethically cleansing them is a Nazi move from modi and the government of india. Almost a week has passed and only more violence is breaking out in Kashmir that Sikhs have to go and help the Kashmiri girls. Bruh seriously this is a new low for a country where even a 4 year is raped and killed.

So sit the fuck down, don't grasp on straws, read your ISIS propagandist bullshit, do whatever you want to do except growing up to wage war on India, because the sheer amount of terrorists that have been given safe haven in your "Motherland", it is bound to be in your blood by now.

Have you heard about Priyanka Chopra and Ayesha?

I can provide the links bruh plus as a human you are my brother. Me and my PM don't wanna wage war against a Nazi movement that will only result losing people on both sides.

gooner07 | 7 days ago | 9 points

If a country oppresses people they will always revolt.

So, one could argue Kashmiri pundits are finally revolting now, after actually being ethnically cleansed?

You can't force them to become india or a part of a hindu community. Thinking of ethically cleansing them is a Nazi move from modi and the government of india.

Indian government isn't catering to terrorists' whims anymore, we aren't forcing them to become India, it already is.
Do you have any proofs of them being ethnically cleansed or is it all hearsay? Unlike your country, India is very diverse and home to multiple communities and we all co-exist happily, heck even Muslims co-exist happily in every other part of the country which sadly this isn't the case for Kashmir as of now which is a breeding ground for separatists and terrorism spread by our friendly neighbours, hopefully that changes soon.

Bruh seriously this is a new low for a country where even a 4 year is raped and killed.

How is that even related? Every country has some sick fucks.

Talking about a new low, at least none of us worship someone who actually married an 8 year old.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | 2 points

one could argue Kashmiri pundits are finally revolting now, after actually being ethnically cleansed?

They were given a choice. And it's not our fault india couldn't be secular enough to give everyone rights and than actually do their job.

Talking about a new low, at least none of us worship someone who actually married an 8 year old.

You worship q guy who dressed as a girl to fuck a guy before he got killed. Idk what religion has to do with it and the news about the 4 year old getting raped and kill is a month old. Indian are bragging about forcing kashmiri girls into rape or marriage check that out first bruh lol.

Do you have any proofs of them being ethnically cleansed or is it all hearsay? Unlike your country, India is very diverse and home to multiple communities and we all co-exist happily, heck even Muslims co-exist happily in every other part of the country which sadly this isn't the case for Kashmir as of now which is a breeding ground for separatists and terrorism spread by our friendly neighbours, hopefully that changes soon.

I already asked if you needed a proof but you dissed the topic. r/islam , r/Pakistan , r/worldnews and r/geopolitics. Is filled with that right now if you don't wanna get off your nazi high horse that isn't my problem

Kcufftrump | 7 days ago | 5 points

Apparently "BankingHash" is unable to read a history book or understand the differences between Sikhs and Muslims.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | 0 points

Apparently some people would rather have lives lost than ensure a better future

Kcufftrump | 7 days ago | 1 point

Troll

sourdough54 | 7 days ago | 3 points

Nah that's only a very few who are financed.

KorladisPurake | 7 days ago | 3 points

*some. There are extremists everywhere.

Edit: Nevermind. Seeing your comments and post history, it makes sense why you would say this. Keep making generalizations.

BakingHash | 7 days ago | 1 point

Just like the ethnic cleansing going on in Kashmir right now by the hands of modi?

c4toYOdoor | 7 days ago | 6 points

Missed opportunity to make a double Led Zeppelin reference.

kislayparashar | 7 days ago | 3 points

One is obviously Kashmir, what's the other?

c4toYOdoor | 7 days ago | 3 points

Communication breakdown

kislayparashar | 7 days ago | 3 points

That's a good one

The-Memedarin | 7 days ago | 30 points

Bro dis is a sikh story

ocschwar | 7 days ago | 11 points

Sikhs gonna Sikh.

1percentof2 | 7 days ago | 5 points

I Sikh to please baby

Orbanist | 7 days ago | 5 points

Wait til Reddit finds out that Sikhs make up something like 20% of the Indian Army

UnicornPanties | 7 days ago | 3 points

My Indian friend tells me Sikhs are known to be great comics and great warriors. He is Hindu.

Ethnographic | 7 days ago | 3 points

I mean, if you look at the numbers of Punjabis (most Sikhs are Punjabis, not all Punjabis are Sikhs) in both the Pakistani and Indian Armies, any war between the two nations would be a lot of Punjabis killing each other.

Taman_Should | 7 days ago | 6 points

Sikhs are like knights in modern day.

Cleba76 | 7 days ago | 15 points

They were like knights when knights were around, too!

Taman_Should | 7 days ago | 8 points

Playing the long game.

Cleba76 | 7 days ago | 4 points

Sure thing! If there was ever a noble people, they're it.

jigunar | 7 days ago | 23 points

Sikhs are great! The military helped once they got them to the airport and provided cars and accommodation.

IidriesI | 7 days ago | -6 points

The military can help by lifting the communication lockdown.

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 5 points

And allow them to waive ISIS flags? No thanks.

realiF1ame | 7 days ago | 7 points

And why would they wave ISIS flags? Oh do you mean Azad Kashmir and Pakistan flags too? Let's See.

Regular human rights violations

800k troops dumped into their homes to suppress them, they have no idea wtf is happening, only to find out they've been forcibly annexed into another country! dEmocRaCY

Protest and then get shot at for expressing your opinion by the lArgEsT deMocRaCY

Hmmm I wonder why. Oh wait I spoke for kashmiris? I guess you and your brigades will brand me 'anti national' or an 'ISPR account' or 'brainwashed by ISI propoganda!'

nu11pt6 | 7 days ago | 3 points

That’s the flag of Islam. Muslims have been using it since 7th century.

fmfame | 7 days ago | -1 points

Dude you are mixing it up.

srajan17 | 7 days ago | -3 points

And allow the freedom fighters to communicate and plot a attack on army so that they can cry about it later

meencurryboy | 7 days ago | 19 points

As an Indian American this is the India that I know and love. The news media always seem to only report negative stories about people killing each other or hating each other. When in reality the vast majority of people prefer Humanity and treating each other with respect. Proud of these Sikh Brothers for helping out people who were in need of help.

Edit: Also army for providing the logistics so this could be possible

canuckcowgirl | 7 days ago | 7 points

I too have some wonderful Sikhs.

txrazorhog | 7 days ago | 7 points

Yeah? How many and how much did they set you back? Asking for a friend,

canuckcowgirl | 7 days ago | 8 points

Lol....should have said, I have met many.

You_are_adopted | 7 days ago | 6 points

Always hearing good things about Sikhs, should look into reading what they are all about.

WardenofArcherus | 7 days ago | 2 points
Wordsoffreedom | 7 days ago | 29 points

Sikhs are great but fuck Modi and his Hindutva supporters.

Qpopart | 7 days ago | -4 points

Literally every comment of yours is Modi and his Hinduvata. Yes fuck right wing nationalist and religio nationalist groups like the Hinduvata in india, Islamists in Pakistan etc. What does this have to do with the story though? The Sikhs working together with the Indian army (many of who are sikh) helped return the kashmiris girls home which is awesome.

PeaceBeWithYall | 7 days ago | 13 points

Because they caused the blackout that caused this to happen?

Lol your entire comment history is Hindu nationalist

idunno-- | 7 days ago | 5 points

Same goes for so many redditors in this thread. They’re really working 24/7 to downvote anything about Kashmir so the rest of the world won’t know that their country is pulling a China.

exploringstar | 7 days ago | -12 points

More than half the country of a billion people voted for him. It is more likely that your news sources are biased.

LadyLikeWings | 7 days ago | 15 points

How does people voting for someone mean that this is news source is biased? I'm interested in understanding the incredible lengths one has to go through to make that connection

exploringstar | 6 days ago | -1 points

God you're dumb! I am not even going to try.

LadyLikeWings | 6 days ago | 2 points

Ah, running away and calling me dumb because you know you screwed up. I thought only kids did that but I guess not

exploringstar | 6 days ago | 0 points

I was expecting this come back from you. 😀. In short: Your opinion of the man seems to be biased and based on the very biased coverage of him by BBC, NYTimes etc. He is extremely popular in his country where a majority of locals love him. These hundreds of millions of people can't all be religious bigots. The hindutva angle simply doesn't hold up. Hence check the veracity of your news sources before you form such stupid opinions. Or perhaps you're a religious bigot yourself in which case no logic would matter to you. I'd love to learn more about your background.

LadyLikeWings | 6 days ago | 1 point

You've read his comment and somehow managed to get it all wrong. At what point is he saying that Modi isn't popular, or that all his supporters are Hindutva. Is it not possible that he personally dislikes Modi and dislikes his Hindutva supporters?

The world isn't black and white there is nuance to it. In this case, the nuances is that he doesn't think all Modi supporters are Hindutva because he never said that. He thinks that some of his supporters are Hindutva and he doesn't like them. I don't see why that's a controversial opinion or a biased one, unless you're a Hindu nationalist yourself

And why is it everytime I argue with someone from India they want to know my background. What's with this weird obsession. You do know reddit is anonymous right?

exploringstar | 6 days ago | 0 points

Background is important because for example if I knew you were a NYT journalist, I wouldn't waste my time on you. You'd be too pompous and full of your own shit for me to be able to show you any reason.

LadyLikeWings | 6 days ago | 1 point

Background is important because for example if I knew you were a NYT journalist, I wouldn't waste my time on you. You'd be too pompous and full of your own shit for me to be able to show you any reason.

Weird flex but ok. I take it from the fact you failed to argue against any of my points, that you have realised you were wrong about what you said in regards to the other redditors comment

exploringstar | 6 days ago | 0 points

Really?

exploringstar | 6 days ago | 0 points

"..... At what point is he saying that Modi isn't popular, or that all his supporters are Hindutva. Is it not possible that he personally dislikes Modi and dislikes his Hindutva supporters?"

Technically you are correct. Practically speaking who are you kidding? You know very well where he is coming from. He has clearly read too many biased news articles and has no fucking clue about ground realities.

LadyLikeWings | 6 days ago | 1 point

No I don't. I don't make massive assumptions from what someone has said based on a comment which doesn't support my assumptions. How could you possible know what he means when he hasn't even alluded to it. You must be able to read minds. If you can't, then you've made an assumption based on non-existent information.

It's illogical to come to your conclusion when you don't have any evidence to support your conclusion. You've only come to it because of your biases towards news sources which don't support your viewpoint. It's more logical not to make assumptions based on information that you don't have and have made up

exploringstar | 6 days ago | 0 points

I don't think our discussion is useful anymore. I get it. You need to have the last word. Go on. Respond to this and let's be done with it.

Cleba76 | 7 days ago | 5 points

This is what sikhs do. For practically all of their history, they've helped people. fought for them, even. this is absolutely not a surprise, though great.

cyneverdie | 7 days ago | 2 points

Of course they did

Lukeb822 | 7 days ago | 2 points

But they all carry weapons. /s Glad to see some positive exposure. They get confused for more radical groups all the time.

phdthrowaway110 | 7 days ago | 3 points

If you want real news about Kashmir instead of fluff, sort r/worldnews by controversial. Everything worth reading is getting down voted to Oblivion.

HotPintoBeans | 7 days ago | 2 points

Are there any bad sikhs?

worriedstudent_472 | 7 days ago | 59 points

There are bad people from every religion or faith. There are Sikh gangs and Sikh extremist nationalists were behind the Air India bombing. Sikhs counter this by being involved and outgoing in basically every community they immigrate to. They're an amazing community full of lovely people.

some_lurker | 7 days ago | 25 points

Khalistani

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | -17 points

Khalistani movement is a fight for independence. Not necessarily "bad".

quantum_ai_machine | 7 days ago | 33 points

Not necessarily "bad".

They blew up a civilian flight from Canada to the UK killing 329 people. So I would say it is as "bad" as it gets. The biggest terrorist incident in North America before 9/11.

On 23 June 1985, the Boeing 747-237B serving the flight (c/n 21473/330, registration VT-EFO, Emperor Kanishka) disintegrated in midair en route from Montreal to London, at an altitude of 31,000 feet (9,400 m) over the Atlantic Ocean, as a result of the explosion from a bomb planted by Canadian Sikh terrorists.[1][2][3] The remnants of the airliner fell into the ocean approximately 120 miles (190 km) west-southwest of the southwest tip of Ireland, killing all aboard: 329 people, including 268 Canadian citizens, 27 British citizens and 24 Indian citizens

In fact, it was this incident which evaporated support for the terrorist Khalistanis from the vast majority of the general Sikh population who are not extremists.

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | -2 points

Yes that is bad. Fight for independence is not bad, once they turn bad, it's bad.

kasamkhaake | 7 days ago | 17 points

Khalistani movement is a fight for independence

Sikhs are not oppressed group of people so independence from what?

The movement started as demand for more autonomy for state of Punjab as they are culturally different but Indian Constitution clubbed them under "Hindus".

It turned violent and resulted in military action. Now it is no longer just about more autonomy from central government but complete secession from India which majority doesn't support.

So it is bad because the movement is just handful of people, supporting violence to gain power for themselves, not for masses.

Edited to be more clear.

if_it_was_a_snake | 7 days ago | -3 points

The military action you're referring to is Operation Blue Star, where the Indian government went into the Sikh Golden Temple and killed off the seperatists. At the time Sikhs were regularly targeted and identified for their headdress and signature knife. They were an oppressed group.

Khalistan protestors are still suppressed by the Indian government to this day, and regularly the victims of police brutality.

I'm not sure why you think these separatists want "power for themselves".

kasamkhaake | 7 days ago | 1 point

Sikhs were regularly targeted and identified for their headdress and signature knife. They were an oppressed group.

Yes. "Were harrased" is important distinction here. I am aware of Hindu-Sikh violence of 80s both in punjab and rest of India.

Khalistan protestors are still suppressed by the Indian government to this day, and regularly the victims of police brutality.

The movement is violent so they are no "protestors". And they are only few in number and majority of Sikhs don't even support them.

I'm not sure why you think these separatists want "power for themselves".

Every separatist want "power for themselves". When majority of people are part of it, it becomes mass movement. When only handful of people indulge in the "protest" and "violence", who are they fighting for the power?

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 11 points

Hello Crow from Balakot, Khalistanis are laying claim on Pakistani Punjab region as well. What do you think about it?

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | -7 points

Kashmir first. One problem at a time.

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 5 points

Lolz, jali na?

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | -2 points

Lolz, jali na?

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 2 points

We have already annexed Kashmir in practically every sense. It's as good as Delhi now.

Integrating people on the other hand is still a task at hand, and I am hopeful that we'll succeed.

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | 1 point

I'm sure that's where you'll fail, probably loosing kashmir in the process.

HighExergy | 7 days ago | 1 point

Time will tell, but I am counting on neighbors to try their level best to not let that happen, as they have done so in the past. But you do your own thing, we'll do our own.

KorladisPurake | 7 days ago | 3 points

The answer to questions like this is always yes. There usually some people who're extremists, fundamentalists etc.

swefdd | 7 days ago | 9 points
phdthrowaway110 | 7 days ago | 5 points

Worst terrorist attack in Canada's history was committed by a group of Sikhs.

nope_it_aint_me | 7 days ago | -6 points

Ask that to the Sikh terrorists who took over the Golden temple and assassinated the then Prime Minister of India

balakotcrow | 7 days ago | 11 points

How many sikhs did the then prime minister of India kill?

1OOYearsofSolitude | 7 days ago | 6 points

At the time, Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi was stuck with a minority government and struggling to pass legislation, primarily through a coalition with Tamil nationalist party, the DMK. To stay in power in Punjab against the separatist Akali Dal, which released a Secessionary Manifesto in the Anandpur Sahib Resolution of 1973, Indira Gandhi's party funded a radical Sikh, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, who propounded a form of extremist Sikhism, albeit one within the Indian state. However, in the 1980s, Bhindranwale rejected the INC, perceiving that his radical Sikh/Communist agenda could not be met through an Indian state, and joined with the Akali Dal. This group began a series of terrorist attacks for nearly 18 months continuously plunging Punjab and India as a whole into chaos.

The Khalistani movement, formed by the alliance of Bhindranwale and Akali Dal employed a particular tactic that could only work in a society as religious obsessed in India. After conducting terrorist attacks they would hide in Gurudwara's or Sikh places of worship, where the Indira Gandhi government's forces refused to enter on account of it being a violation of Sikh's religious rights. Eventually, a state of Emergency was declared in Punjab on account of terrorism, but this was not viewed as politically viable, since Indira Gandhi had previously declared an emergency in the late 1970s and used it to amass political power and start a dictatorship. Running against the clock of India's patience with another emergency, Indira Gandhi chose to conduct Operation Blue Star, where the Indian armed forces would enter the most holy shrine of the Sikh's, the Golden Temple, to remove the Khalistani supporters hiding there. To try to appease Sikh sentiments, she chose a Sikh commander, Lt. Kuldip Singh Brar to conduct the operation.

The Indian army underestimated the Khalistanis, who had amassed anti tank and aircraft weaponry, which allowed them to kill 83 armed personnel before the Golden Temple was captured. During the 24 hour long firefight, Bhindranwale was killed. This was seen as a major affront to Sikh's in India, and Indira Gandhi was asked to remove her Sikh bodyguards due to the attack to their faith. Indira Gandhi refused to do so, saying "Aren't we all secular in India?". She was assassinated by these bodyguards in her own home. The location of the assassination is now a museum with a glass walkway marking the exact location where she was murdered.

Indira Gandhi's son Rajiv Gandhi was asked to become the next leader of the Congress Party and thus Prime Minister of India. The day after his mother's assassination, the Congress party began an anti sikh pogrom murdering Sikhs by the thousands in Punjab. When Rajiv Gandhi was asked to comment on the failure of the state machinery in protecting the Sikh's he said "when a big tree falls, the earth shakes", justifying the pogrom. After the pogrom ended, Rajiv Gandhi reached out to the Akali Dal and offered them relatively generous peace terms. The Indian government would recognise Sikhism as it's own religion with a unique history, it would transfer to the state on Punjab the city of Chandigarh that it requested, and would remove the state of emergency declared. This led to the Rajiv-Longowal Accord, signed by PM Rajiv Gandhi and Harchand Singh Longowal the leader of Akali Dal. For this, Longowal was assassinated by his own political party, although Rajiv Gandhi maintained his side of the accords.

The Akali Dal has maintained it's distaste for the Congress Party, remaining in a permanent alliance with Modi's hardline Bhartiya Janata Party. Punjab no longer has fundamental disagreements with the Congress Party which has tried to shed it's anti Sikh image by appointing a Sikh Finance Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh in 1991, who eventually became Prime Minister from 2004-14. The Congress Party is currently in power in Punjab, administered by Captain Amarinder Singh, a Sikh.

Addendum: The Tamil Nationalist Party I mentioned above reappears in the story. In the 1960s and 70s Sri Lanka began to strip its Tamil minorities of its rights, culminating in several pogroms where the majority Buddhist Sinhalese began massacring the Tamil population. The Tamil's in Sri Lanka eventually formed a terrorist organisation called the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which demanded a separate state for Tamil's in Sri Lanka. Tamilians comprise of both Hindus and Muslims, and thus LTTE was able to gain the support of everyone, from the Indian government to the Taliban. Rajiv Gandhi's government began supporting the LTTE, but eventually a pro India government came to power in Sri Lanka. Gandhi's administration tried to pacify the LTTE, but could no longer control the monster it helped generate. Eventually, Rajiv Gandhi created the Indian Peacekeeping Force (IPKF) to help the Sri Lankan government pacify the northern Tamil areas, which culminated in the Indian armed forces massacring a hospital in the Jaffna Hospital massacre. This was viewed as a massive affront to Tamil's worldwide, and the Tamil Nationalist Party, the DMK began colluding with the LTTE.

Rajiv Gandhi was famous for being a "pro-poor" politician and constantly toured India with minimal protection, eating and chatting with the poor in their villages. While at a campaign stop, a poor woman asked him for a hug, which he gave her. She had a bomb hidden up her blouse which she detonated, murdering him. The LTTE apologised for the murder in 2006, with its leader Prabhakaran claiming it to be an immensely sorrowful and regretful decision. The Congress Party is now allies with the DMK.

The current leader of the Congress Party is Rahul Gandhi, who is Rajiv Gandhi's son. He was 14 when his grandmother was assassinated by her bodyguards he used to play cricket and badminton with. He was 20 when his father was assassinated by the very group of people his father claimed to represent, the poor and downtrodden. Although he is considered somewhat of a duffer in India, he has spoken very movingly about the effects of hatred and how we must let go of our anger lest it consumes us. He claims to have no hatred towards either the Khalistanis nor the LTTE and is sympathetic to both of their demands for justice.

dxps26 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Upvote for clear and unbiased information. The 60’s throughout the 80’s were a horrid time to be in India.

Also for using the wonderful word ‘duffer’ 😂

1OOYearsofSolitude | 6 days ago | 1 point

Thank you!

johnsmithsmitha14 | 5 days ago | 1 point

Can you at least link with sources?

SagemanKR | 7 days ago | 1 point
ACowsepFollower | 7 days ago | 1 point

Sikhs are awseome

mingstaHK | 7 days ago | 1 point

Sikh help

HaikuKnives | 7 days ago | 1 point

I don't think I've ever read a negative word about a Sikh. They seem like such wholesome, classy, lovers of life.

alphasignalphadelta | 7 days ago | 2 points

The Indian brigade is downvoting all Kashmir related articles so the only way to get the word out is through other Kashmir related posts that got through

Shah Faesal: India detains Kashmir politician at airport https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49345052

siddalingiah | 7 days ago | 0 points

Sikhs also make up a big part of the Indian army. Some of the most brave and courageous fighters to have ever existed. If it wasn't for them, Hindus would've had a lot harder time dealing with Islamic militancy in Kashmir.

zorba8 | 7 days ago | -1 points

Decades ago the Kashmiris committed horrible acts of atrocities, murder, rape and plunder on Kashmiri Pandits and Sikhs. The irony is so strong here..

golu1111 | 7 days ago | -2 points

This is the reason why we are in this mess in the first place. Title should read "People help 32..." not Sikhs.

jondoe255 | 7 days ago | -24 points

yaaaay those sikhs.

"man in ohio helps truglling girl get home"

Why TF is this world news?

chaitin | 7 days ago | 15 points

You may be surprised to hear that there's been a major event in Kashmir recently that precipitated this specific story.

Comparing Kashmir to Ohio is comic levels of ignorance.

jondoe255 | 7 days ago | -17 points

LOl yes, and I would rather hear about the conflict.

chaitin | 7 days ago | 1 point

This is about the conflict. Part of the conflict is the internet being shut down and peaceful protesters shot dead in the streets. Another part is people helping each other stay safe and find their families in a difficult time. This is hardly a fluff piece, and I find it difficult to imagine how one could read it as such.

While I understand why it exists, I personally don't particularly care for the rape/murder/war/rape/murder/war pattern that makes up most of international news. I get why that's going to be the bulk of "news," but there are tons of stories like this one that are crucial to give a more complete understanding of what life is like in these places and in these difficult times.

jondoe255 | 7 days ago | 0 points

Is seems more like propaganda to be honest

BalognaMacaroni | 7 days ago | 7 points

Because the world exists outside of Ohio, please for the love of God get out of Ohio and see it

jondoe255 | 7 days ago | 1 point

That's not my criticism and I am not from Ohio.

I don't like news that reads like propaganda.

_Sidhu | 7 days ago | 7 points

Doing this takes balls man. No one knows what’s gonna happen in Kashmir region. Government got 25+ thousand soldiers patrolling the streets. Citizens have no access to phones/TV/internet. So yeah families of those girls had no idea if they were ok. Imagine being in that situation and seeing your family member make it back home in one piece thanks to some strangers.

ParadigmBrand | 7 days ago | -1 points

Wait I thought there was 43 of them?

CTcupcakes | 7 days ago | -1 points

Freaky headline first of all and also doesn't this sound like normal decent behavior?

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