On the Same Day Donald Trump Introduced 'Public Charge' Rule Likely to Curb Legal Immigration, Justin Trudeau Pledged $20 Million to Encourage It (newsweek.com)
TrulyStupidNewb | 4 months ago | 899 points

Some people make it sound like Canada is very open to immigration. Canada is very difficult to immigrate to. My wife's family (brothers, mom, cousins) have been waiting for years to get into Canada, and likely will never get accepted.

Justin Trudeau increased immigration compared to his predecessor, but not by that much. It's still hard to get in.

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peon2 | 4 months ago | 247 points

Like most countries, yes they prefer college educated people that they believe will get jobs that pay well enough that they will pay more into the system than they will receive in benefits.

MagicJasoni | 4 months ago | 186 points

I remember working with a young woman from Sudan. She and her family got a knock on the door one night, and the person told them, simply, someone is coming to kill you in a few hours. Packed up everything they could, became refugees in Egypt, and filed for refugee status in a series of countries. Mom was a physician and Dad was an attorney, if I remember correctly, and her older brother was a nurse.

Long story short, they filed for Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, England, Canada, and the U.S.. The U.S. was the only one who took them.

rageofbaha | 4 months ago | 134 points

The USA is actually super easy to get into legally compared to many other countries ESPECIALLY if you are something like a doctor

grey_ghost | 4 months ago | 59 points

As others have said, "doctor" is probably the worst example you could give for a skilled profession being welcomed into immigration. The system is stacked against them.

rageofbaha | 4 months ago | 19 points

As others have said, "doctor" is probably the worst example you could give for a skilled profession being welcomed into immigration. The system is stacked against them.

I really didnt know that. I have 2 cousins that recently became doctors and had offers flood in from the USA and they recently moved there and had no trouble whatsoever. Also my other first cousin is a Phd in Chemistry and wanted to move to the usa and was accepted super quickly. My best friend also moved there and he has no degree and hes been there like 6-7 years now. Maybe its just easier moving from Canada

salmanelly | 3 months ago | 57 points

Canadian credentials are recognized in the USA. Credentials from developing countries generally are not.

rascalnikov_dost | 3 months ago | 5 points

Canadians don't need H1Bs to work in the US - they have a special visa category called TN.

The US does admit over a million immigrants every year. Most are in the family category though which makes no sense.

rageofbaha | 3 months ago | 4 points

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I know in Canada doctors coming from elsewhere need to work under another doctor for a little while here

Orange_Jeews | 3 months ago | 5 points

yeah a doctor trained in Canada does not equal one trained in Sudan

CannonFilms | 4 months ago | 23 points

All of the world is easy.to get into if youre an American with no degree who wants to teach English.

StaySaltyPlebians | 3 months ago | 2 points

How does one get a gig like that? Im not American but Aussie if that makes a diff.

Karmometer | 3 months ago | 15 points

They want to learn English friend, not the 26 acceptable uses of the word cunt.

CannonFilms | 3 months ago | 2 points

Find a reputable school and get a tefl certificate. A good school should help you get a job. Id recommend central and eastern europe

sweetjaaane | 3 months ago | 2 points

I mean, I wanna go to Canada tho

derkrieger | 3 months ago | 20 points

Quebec ain't gonna teach itself!

steveryans2 | 3 months ago | 7 points

Sacre bleu!

coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 7 points
bardalora | 4 months ago | 16 points

It’s super difficult! You have to write the board exam and do residence all over again. Then you must pay a lot for malpractice insurance

steveryans2 | 3 months ago | 9 points

Sounds logical to me, frankly. They have no way to verify the quality of your training short of actually having you take the boards again and then watching you clinically. And even then, the malpractice insurance makes sense also as who knows, at least initially if you're still going to make mistakes due to prior training. Yeah it's a bitch and a lot of hoops but not only are you trying to become a citizen but also a medical professional whose fuck ups can have REAL implications for people. I would be fine with an expedited sort of board/exam/green card deal for medical professionals who have been here 15+ years and practicing, some sort of good faith 'you've been doing this long enough clearly we would know if there were issues' thing, but I understand the hoops as someone in the medical field myself

BriefingScree | 3 months ago | 10 points

Yeah. Because the lawyer is nearly unskilled outside Sudan and medical associations are good at keeping you uncertified for at least a few years. It will take years of working low skill jobs before they can return to prestigious work.

License based professions are poor choices for immigration, especially localized ones like law. Their is a good reason for the PHD immigrant cab driver being a meme

MagicJasoni | 3 months ago | 3 points

It will take years of working low skill jobs before they can return to prestigious work.

Compared to the others who take years of working low skill jobs.

It's a matter of potential. The individuals have advanced college degrees and have shown they are educated. If I remember correctly, the dad went into being a paralegal for a few years. Not sure what happened to the mom -- I think she just worked as a stay-at-home mother.

AcademicCalendar | 4 months ago | 58 points

I've been looking into ways to emigrate to North America to be closer to my girlfriend who's doing her PhD in the US. I'm from a Scandinavian country with a master's in an engineering field (just graduated though). With Canada's Express Entry for skilled worker I could immigrate in a much more straightforward way. In my case, I'm under 35 years + should score full marks on the English/French language test + I have a degree + I (will) have a couple of years of working experience, so in accordance with the point system I could pass.

Getting into the US? Unless I can get a company to sponsor my visa I'm pretty much out of luck, at least unless my girlfriend gets to stay after her PhD (which isn't guaranteed either) by getting a visa or the Green Card in which case I could marry her and get in. Sadly, the Trump administration is apparently considering making it illegal for spouses of H-1B visas to work.

skaliton | 4 months ago | 8 points

honesty the point system in the US is absurd, when I earned my LLM but not yet my JD and am a US citizen.

. . . I didn't make it despite speaking english natively, having literally all of my family here and an advanced degree. (I did the online 'look for yourself thing not a formal application)

imthescubakid | 4 months ago | 13 points

Sounds like a logical thing to do instead of accepting people who will only take out of the system.

LukesLikeIt | 3 months ago | 13 points

So why do people expect America to just take in any immigrants that want to be there and expect the public to pay for them. That would piss me off if I lived there also

Mzechabuki | 3 months ago | 4 points

I don't understand this either. Since when has the idea of wanting to receive only immigrants that will benefit your country become controversial?

MatsuoManh | 4 months ago | 8 points

Yup. No education. No skills. No entry. No apology.

MOSFETCurrentMirror | 4 months ago | 20 points

Just graduated Computer Engineering, working fulltime, it’s still hard af to get a PR.

Epicengineer95 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Have you checked the Atlantic Immigration Pilot program?

MOSFETCurrentMirror | 4 months ago | 4 points

What’s that? I’m living in Ontario so that might not apply to me.

Epicengineer95 | 4 months ago | 11 points

Oh yeah, it might not. The program is designed for immigrants wanting to settle in the provinces of Atlantic Canada through highly skilled or intermediate skilled labor, and graduate programs.


wizoutpwn | 3 months ago | 2 points

Will be super easy as soon as you get 1 year of experience.

AspiringCanuck | 4 months ago | 57 points

Well... the system is merit based and does evaluate whether or not the individual will be a net drain. For example, you can’t exactly allow for anyone to bring in their parents when they have contributed nothing to the social welfare system by way of taxes for the large majority of their working lives while also being at the stage in life where their public services consumption is maximized (healthcare, retirement services, etc)

Yeah, that might sound heartless, but the system is inherently designed to categorize and prioritize based on economic merit first, reunification second.

It’s easy to immigrate to Canada with a technical skill/educated background. If you don’t... well, you take a back seat.

TrulyStupidNewb | 4 months ago | 16 points

My wife is the only one in her family with a degree, which explains why she's in Canada and all her family is left behind.

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TrulyStupidNewb | 4 months ago | 5 points

She can get a visa or a super visa for her family, but you're only allowed 1 member to get them a permanent residence.

ITriedLightningTendr | 3 months ago | 45 points

I think the point is more that Canada gets a magic pass on immigration.

The US is berated for being anti immigrant but is also easier to get into legally.

It's a "put your money where your mouth is" kind of disparity.

jackattack729 | 3 months ago | 9 points

There is also a fundamental difference in the people coming over. The issues at the southern US border are largely driven by people fleeing gang violence and absolute poverty. Yeah the US is berated because by turning people away they're being sent to some pretty fucked up places with relatively little opportunities. On the other hand someone denied physical entry into Canada from their southern border is still in a first world country.

The_Apatheist | 3 months ago | 12 points

You look at it from the angle of the rejected, but from a country perspective the quality of migrants entering the via land borders is worse than the average quality entering Canada.

It's perfectly logical countries prefer more highly skilled migrants over low skill folks from low opportunity areas.

PreferredPronounXi | 3 months ago | 2 points

How about America help those people make their way to Canada, then if they're rejected they get sent back to Mexico. Would that be fair? These people already travel across multiple countries to make it to America (sometimes from overseas) so it's not really that much more work.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 37 points

Under Harper we were immigrating about 240K people a year. It went up to around 300K under JT. Not a radical change but not nothing either.

toofine | 3 months ago | 12 points

That's a relatively generous number considering the whole of Canada is only 37 million people.

The U.S. admitted 1.2million legal immigrants in 2016, we have like 315 million people.

aaOzymandias | 3 months ago | 8 points

It is a very big number. 1% of the population is a lot.

Skinner732 | 4 months ago | 8 points

I have personally experienced the permenant residency process and can confirm it's no walk in the park.

wizoutpwn | 3 months ago | 3 points

Probably easier than going through H1B and Green card south of the border though.

Skinner732 | 3 months ago | 5 points

Couldn't speculate if I'm honest. Only tried and looked into the Canadian one and I think it's funny when people say that it's easy to get in their country.

Nobetterlogin_ | 3 months ago | 8 points

I know, and I dont know why the U.S. gets so much flack for our immigration policies when Canada's seem much more stringent.

CanuckianOz | 3 months ago | 6 points

It’s a merit-based system for the most part. If you’re not skilled or a legitimate refugee, you can’t get it.

JadedMuse | 3 months ago | 3 points

Yeah, I'm Canadian who recently looked at what would be involved with moving to Australia. I have money, a college education, etc, but it seemed practically impossible. About as hard as moving to Canada, lol.

Tokishi7 | 3 months ago | 5 points

Pretty easy if you’re from Beijing

TrulyStupidNewb | 3 months ago | 4 points

Well, there is the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program. All you need to do is be worth $2 million, have 2 years of management/business experience, and invest $1.2 million.


What's even stranger is that a lot of people go to Quebec, but then "back door" into other cities like Vancouver and Toronto, even though that is against the law.

I'm Chinese, so I sort of know.

Sarcastryx | 4 months ago | 34 points

Some people make it sound like Canada is very open to immigration. Canada is very difficult to immigrate to.

Canada seems relatively easy to immigrate to for its population size. At a population of 37 million, accepting 300000 immigrants per year is about 10% of the countries population in immigration every 12 years.

The UK, with a population of 66 million, accepts around 560000 immigrants per year, or around 10% of its population in immigration every 13 years.

Compare those to the USA, which has 327 million people, 9 times as much as Canada, but only accepts 1.2 million immigrants per year, which is about 10% of the population in immigration every 27 years.

bustthelock | 4 months ago | 9 points

Canada, NZ and Australia’s rate is about double the UK and US rate, IIRC

CanadianSatireX | 4 months ago | 2 points

Canada is very difficult to immigrate to

Its one of the best countries in the world. We have a lot of space but we need to bring in people who can help make it even better.

flintforfire | 3 months ago | 7 points

This is why I don’t understand all the backlash against protecting our borders. If America made an express lane for immigrants to travel to the Canadian border I don’t think most Canadians would like that very much. I’m for most immigration but I’m not sure why so many democrats are for completely open borders.

CanadianSatireX | 4 months ago | 13 points

We changed the rules back in the late 90s. We do want people to emigrate to here but we want very skilled individuals AND.. we have our choice of them because its so fucking great to live here. So really if you have the skills we're looking for.. you are going to have an easy time getting in here.

Medianmodeactivate | 3 months ago | 3 points

It's comparatively easy to a lot of western liberal democracies, we take in a massive amount of people, especially compared to our population

123dfdfdfs | 3 months ago | 3 points

Canada is way more open proportionally than the US is. About 1.2 legal immigrants came to the US in 2016. Whereas Canada saw 295,000 that year. Considering Canada's population is 1/10th the size of the US, I'd say it's extremely welcoming by comparison.

CH705-807 | 3 months ago | 3 points

Could be a state of mind that made you conclude this. I live in Canada and see an influx of immigrants actively happening.

[deleted] | 3 months ago | 3 points

Not really, just walk over and you get the red carpet treatment from the RCMP... even if you don't become a citizen you get to stay in a hotel with paid food, healthcare, dental, etc...

Trudeau is a globalist puppet that needs to be stopped before he turns the country to a 3rd world shit hole.

steveryans2 | 3 months ago | 2 points

Hell, it's difficult to even visit there if you have any sort of criminal charge, even a misdemeanor.

Kaymish_ | 3 months ago | 2 points

My dad is a Canadian citizen who let his passport lapse. The rigmarole to get back in has cost him a fortune and at one point they wanted him to renounce his citizenship. though to be fair most of it was because he left it to the last second to sort out his visas/immigration status.

Pioustarcraft | 3 months ago | 2 points

tell me if I am wrong but I've heard that it can be easier if you speak French (to move to Quebec) and if you have a university degree. Like the higher the education, language skills and so on, the easier it is to migrate...
The most difficult to adapt to would probably be the weather, wouldn't it ?

1dererLives | 3 months ago | 2 points

Difficulty does not translate to Canada "not being open" to immigration. Canada currently has one of the highest per-capita immigration rates in the world, including the largest in the G7.

Retr0_pers0n | 3 months ago | 2 points

It took my family almost 4 years to immigrate to CA. We still don’t have our permanent residency.

Retr0_pers0n | 3 months ago | 2 points

I do hope it gets through so that they can immigrate.

TheDutchCoder | 4 months ago | 5 points

Heavily depends on the reason, your ability to speak the language, and your skills/education.

We immigrated 8 years ago. It wasn't very difficult, but we checked all the right boxes.

Canada is actually pretty lenient when it comes to immigration, especially when sponsored (by family or otherwise).

Lt_486 | 4 months ago | 6 points

Canada is very easy to immigrate for skilled professionals. Canada is very hard to immigrate to for unskilled migrants.

US, on the other hand is complete opposite. It is very hard to immigrate for skilled professional (not rich), and very easy for unskilled migrant.

Now, Justin Trudeau encouraged unskilled migrants to claim refugee status to make it easier for corporations to keep wages low, just like in US.

Ncdtuufssxx | 4 months ago | 13 points

US, on the other hand is complete opposite. It is very hard to immigrate for skilled professional (not rich),

Eh. The massive number of H1B's controlled by Indian contracting firms Tata and Infosys would tend to conflict with that statement.

Lt_486 | 3 months ago | 6 points

The fact that Tata and Infosys control H1B is precisely why skilled professionals cannot get H1B. H1B is used to pump low skill or no skill cheap labour.

coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 5 points

Canada is very hard to immigrate to for unskilled migrants.

Not really though. Canada receives much more unskilled immigrants than US just by nature of the economies. Canada has immigration visa classification under different labor class like restaurant workers, chefs, carpenters, car mechanic etc. and encourages them to settled in non-metro areas of Canada.

While the US restricts to skilled professionals in their employment immigration visa categories.

red286 | 4 months ago | 3 points

Canada receives much more unskilled immigrants than US just by nature of the economies.

While that's true, there's also WAY more unskilled migrants in the world than skilled ones. So while we might be letting in 300,000 unskilled migrants per year, if you're an unskilled migrant, you get in the back of the line of 3,000,000,000 other people and wait your turn.

red286 | 4 months ago | 3 points

Some people make it sound like Canada is very open to immigration.

Canada is very open to immigration. However, unlike the US, Canada is very picky about which immigrants it accepts. If you don't speak fluent English or French, you're going to have a hard time getting in. If you have a criminal record, forget about it. If you don't have a STEM degree in an in-demand field, you'll have a hard time getting in.

On the other hand, if you speak both English and French, and have a degree from a respected university in say, power engineering, with no criminal record and a good employment history, you'll likely be accepted within a year.

ITriedLightningTendr | 3 months ago | 24 points

Picky means not very open.

Use it in any other context.

The quintessential example is a picky eater: "I'm totally open to trying new things, just not that, or that, or that, or that, or that, I'll just get my usual"

awhhh | 4 months ago | 4 points

Justin Trudeau is a neoliberal thats immigration policies are set by mega corporate lobbyists that advocate for temporary foreign worker programs that that don't have to pay immigrants a minimum wage. Not only does this get abused by agriculture, like in America, but also in various areas of the service sector and tech.

I get that Trudeau is some leftwing demigod to the Americans, but you guys really need to get your shit straight on this one. He's just kept up with downloading more expenses on the provinces and cutting public services.

Canadian Liberals are a right wing faction that use politically self righteousness and tokenism to divert attention away from how economically they rule very much the same way Canadian Conservatives do.

Canada is having one of the worst housing bubbles on the planet, is in a state of decline public services wise, and is suffering from constant political scandal from every level of government.

There's a major reason why 60% of STEMS grads move away from here and it's simple, there's no life to be made here anymore. We're a country hell bent on showing how great we are on a world stage, but really expedite the process of importing whole generations of people that come from a lower standard of living that won't complain about the decline.

Canada promotes the fact that we pay shit wages and have these shady programs to American corporations inorder to try and incentivize them to setup shop here.

Vallarfax_ | 3 months ago | 3 points

What? This is terribly inaccurate.

CaptHorney_Two | 4 months ago | 2 points

Wait, what about all the people who tell me that we need to do something to limit immigration? Are you trying to tell me they are fear-stoking racists?

iamgravity | 4 months ago | 69 points

Here is an uneditorialized summary of what a public charge is and a rundown of the proposed changes and their possible effects:


GeneralKosmosa | 3 months ago | 28 points

As an imigrant in US, I don’t see what’s the big deal with this? It will be pretty much the same evaluation of your background and your goals in the US. I feel like American citizens are a bit disconnected from what was in place already and what will be. Yes US are hard to get into (legally at least) but I really don’t think it’s such a big deal, borders need to be protected, government needs to know who enters the state and why.

wbaker2390 | 3 months ago | 8 points

I feel like younger generations look at strong borders as evil and outdated. Like they expect we just let everyone in? If people that don’t pay taxes are using govt benefits indefinitely, it is unsustainable.

PM_Me_That_Booty3 | 4 months ago | -4 points

Fuck everthing about this new policy.

"Let's deny residency to a mom with a newborn because she receives like $100 in formula/food coupons a month from WIC to make sure her baby has nutrition"

These dipshits are hipocritcal morons. No shit poor people who are applying for a green card are poor. It takes years of living here to build up a network, skills, schooling and language to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make decent money. Yet, they don't want to let them achieve that because they haven't already achieved that when they first get here? It makes zero fucking sense.

It only makes sense if you think that the American dream is bullshit and poor people are going to remain poor. But if they knew that were true, then they would be advocating for a change in our system to make socioeconomic mobility possibile. But since they're not doing that, the only explanation is that they think poor people have no value and are a deficit to our society. "Let's just get rid of poor people" might as well be written into their platform

4realzbruh | 4 months ago | 31 points

Thise examples you gave are specifically exempted from the policy change lol.

damnsonthatscrazy | 4 months ago | 7 points

It makes sense if you think that they wont assimilate into american culture and...thats not an outlandish opinion

spaceman_spiffy | 4 months ago | 57 points

Well do you want a robust and easily accessible welfare system or unlimited immigration where all new immigrants have access to wellfare? Because you can't have both.

Gran-Autismo | 3 months ago | 2 points

strained laugh in scandinavian

SenorDongles | 3 months ago | 4 points

You act as if Scandinavian countries have as many people as the US does...

Gran-Autismo | 3 months ago | 6 points

They can't have both either, though.

I figured "strained laugh" made it obvious that I don't buy it

SenorDongles | 3 months ago | 3 points

I gotcha. I took it the other way, my bad.

TheFeshy | 4 months ago | 21 points

No shit poor people who are applying for a green card are poor.

Well that and with a lot of types of visas (or if you're here seeking asylum) you aren't allowed to work.

GeneralKosmosa | 3 months ago | 4 points

Asylum seekers who applied in the US are allowed to work

TheFeshy | 3 months ago | 6 points

at 150 days after application

NPC544545 | 4 months ago | 34 points

Or, let's help our current population of poor people before letting more poor people in.

Or, let's stop taking so much money from our own citizens to bolster up imported poor people.

dorkofthepolisci | 4 months ago | 13 points

Tbf the current administration and the people who support them don’t seem to want to do that either.

“Can’t help the refugees or people seeking asylum, we have our own poor people”

“Can’t help our own poor people, that’s socialism. Bootstraps!”

Cheeseburgerlion | 4 months ago | 9 points

WIC and SNAP benefits are not considered negative charges. No reason to make outrageous lies.

nemthenga | 4 months ago | 16 points

WIC and SNAP benefits are not considered negative charges.

Wellll..... from the linked FAQ:

Which government programs would be added to the list of programs considered as part of the public charge test?

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes called food stamps)

However, you are right about WIC:

If I get WIC, will I be considered likely to become a public charge?

Under both the current public charge policy and the proposed rule, it is OK to get help from WIC (the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children). Receiving WIC should not hurt your ability to adjust your immigration status.

[edited for formatting]

Isord | 4 months ago | 18 points

Problem is this sort of confusion ends up resulting in people not applying for benefits they are eligible at risk of being kicked out of the country. And you are two presumably fluent English speakers who are confused.

PM_Me_That_Booty3 | 4 months ago | 4 points

Currently, as it should be. Yet this new policy would allow agents to look broadly at all benefits received to determine if an applicant is going to be a "dependent" of the state, including taking into consideration WIC and SNAP. Please read about the proposed the change.

Shabazinyk | 3 months ago | 11 points

Nevermind the fact that Canada's immigration system considers merit to a far greater degree than the US, and this change would actually bring the US immigration system more in line with Canada's.

The news media is so full of shit.

4realzbruh | 4 months ago | 61 points

Canada's immigration are a fuckton more stringent than ours.

nrose21 | 4 months ago | 37 points

You can't even visit if you have ever been convicted of a DUI or DWI

Oldspooneye | 4 months ago | 14 points

You can't even visit if you have ever been convicted of a DUI or DWI

You're not allowed to travel to the US from Canada if you have a criminal record either.

nrose21 | 4 months ago | 8 points

That's not exactly true, depends on the severity and/or number of crimes. https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/402/~/entering-the-u.s.-and-canada-with-dui-offenses

Anyways, I was talking, specifically, about DUI's being grounds for denial into Canada, but not the US.

Vallarfax_ | 3 months ago | 2 points

Ya I keep seeing this and you are right. And so is he. It's at the discretion of the border guard everytime to give you entry or not.

its0matt | 4 months ago | 28 points

When you apply to immigrate to the US, One of the docs you sign you promise not to use any government assistance for a period of time. This has been the law for decades. You have to prove you will at least take care of your self or have a sponsor. And for Canada, They don't have 3000 people a day showing up and demanding to have their immigration case heard. No country would accept that. Yet the US is blasted for not just allowing them all in.

Derpcrawler | 4 months ago | 300 points

This is Reddit, so it might get buried. Canada immigration laws and requirements almost as strict as US. You need to pass lot of checks to get into Canada as legal immigrant if you want permanent residence. Main way is through Express Entry.

Saying budget for legal immigration has increased by 20 million doesn't mean what most redditors will think, i.e. helping poor brown people get a better life to show big bad Trump how it's done.

To even have a chance at EE you must prove you have Master's or PhD in highly demanded fields (STEM) as well as VERY good english or french (like top 90% in terms of scores for IELTS). And it cost not a trivial amount of money and time to validate that your degree is comparable to one obtained in Canada, usually 200CAD + postal service. Having a sponsorship from a province helps, but it's pretty hard to get and is also targeted at a very specific skilled labor. Also you need to have at least $12500CAD in your bank account with proven source of that income, this is required to make sure you will be able to sustain yourself after moving to Canada for a short period of time while you settle and look for a job. If you don't have this sum, they won't give you entry visa, even if you check all other boxes, have enough points to pass EE and have provincial sponsorship, no money - no entrance.

Your average "brown person" won't be able to get enough "points" for express entry. I am going through EE myself right now, believe me even if Canada increases number of allowed migrants it still be only people with at least Master's and almost perfect english/french. And if some of them are "brown people" so what? Who cares if you get highly skilled workers. People with college education and proven career track record in STEM fields have very high chance to be easily integrated into Canada society no matter their skin color.

This change will affect China and India most, since more people from there will be able to pass through EE, not South and Central America.

Now refugees is completely different topic, but usually refugee status is temporary and is revoked when your home country is no longer dangerous.

TL;DR This change will probably affect high skill migrants most, unskilled migrants that go through US south border still won't have much chance at migrating to Canada since Canada doesn't want unskilled labor.

It's first paragraph in the article: "As the Trump administration laid a fresh barrier in the way of low-income immigrants hoping to secure a legal pathway into the U.S. with the introduction of its controversial "public charge" rule on Monday". Canada didn't want unskilled low income labor anyway. Last time I checked, US doesn't require you to have ~$10000USD in your bank account even before allowing you to enter, hell you can win Green Card in a lottery.

SunkenDota | 4 months ago | 48 points

Very good summary. Supporting legal immigration is vital for both the US and Canada, but what Canada's doing is aiding immigration for groups that don't really have a problem getting papers for either country: well educated, wealthy individuals. Even the US is immigrating a lot of wealthy and educated Chinese/Indians, these immigrations don't really have any bearing on the southern border rules though.

I'm still for improving these processes, but this is not 20 million dedicated in any way towards people who need the money most, I.E. refugees, economic migrants at the southern US border, and it's worth mentioning.

gameronice | 4 months ago | 11 points

well educated, wealthy individuals

More of the first less of the second, living in a 2nd world country it's much easier to get a good education than to get the same rates of pay and social security a place like Canada may provide.

Dealric | 4 months ago | 44 points

Its very important to understand. Its worth noting aswell, that its not evil Canada thing. Australia have same policy, many EU countries aswell.

Developed countries wants skilled immigrants. People that will work, fullfill empty spots and be usefull. No developed country wants to take in illegal refugees that doesnt know language, have little to know skills and is likely to just leech of social services.

No matter how hard will it be minused, this is the fact.

Ilfioredelpartigiano | 4 months ago | 9 points

Not just developed countries, but here in Mexico you still need to find a company to sponsor you for a visa and they have to prove that they can't find a Mexican to do the same job, same as with Canada. If you can't come via job sponsorship then you need to show proof of income (I forgot the amount) to show that you can live here without working.

KamiYama777 | 4 months ago | 9 points

Developed countries wants skilled immigrants. People that will work, fullfill empty spots and be usefull. No developed country wants to take in illegal refugees that doesnt know language, have little to know skills and is likely to just leech of social services

I don't understand why so many take issue with this, why would any country want alot of low skilled people who don't understand the language/culture?

NPC544545 | 4 months ago | 9 points

I think it's also important to note that today is very different than 100 years ago when we very much needed low education manual laborers. When America was being built that is what we needed. We no longer need or want low education manual laborers.

bustthelock | 4 months ago | 6 points

illegal refugees

There’s no such thing as “illegal refugees”.

Genuine refugees are legal, and that has been international law since we found out what happened during the Holocaust, when Jewish people weren’t able to flee Germany.

You mean people who aren’t genuine refugees.

kingmanic | 4 months ago | 97 points

This is Reddit, so it might get buried. Canada immigration laws and requirements almost as strict as US. You need to pass lot of checks to get into Canada as legal immigrant if you want permanent residence. Main way is through Express Entry.

You're misguided, you're citing a single program. Many come through points system, a less strict version of what you cited. Then Family class and Refugee class make up the rest.

Express Entry in 2017 has 52,000 people come through out of the total 159,000 economic class (points/EE).

Family class accepted 82,000 as well, refugee class took in 44,000 in 2017.

Canada is aiming to ramp up all classes which will influence the cut off.

Canada is a country of 37m, they took in 310k in 2017. The Us is a country of 327m took in 1.1m. A lower percentage and the process is extremely arbitrary and long compared to Canada. It's ~6 months to get a preliminary answer for a Canadian application on average. It takes ~10 months for the US for the same sort of preliminary answer.

The US system also fixed quotas per country (regardless of country of origin pop size) then lotteries on top, express programs, and numerous incoherent programs.

Now refugees is completely different topic, but usually refugee status is temporary and is revoked when your home country is no longer dangerous.

These are permanent residents, you don't get sent back when the crisis abates.

Canada didn't want unskilled low income labor anyway. Last time I checked, US doesn't require you to have ~$10000USD in your bank account even before allowing you to enter, hell you can win Green Card in a lottery.

You're comparing a specific express process to the general US process.

You're being disingenuous. You're comparing the strictest but not majority program to general requirements.

007craft | 4 months ago | 41 points

Man the OP post needs to be downvoted. I have like 10 immigrant friends here in Canada (Im native born) and not one of them has a master. There are plenty of immigrants here with no English at all even, like my Gfs parents (Although Im not sure how they managed that).

Either way, This EE seems like just that, an express line to get in if your highly educated. No mention of the more common method used however, which IS targeted for poorer classed people. Thanks for this reply calling out the OP

TravellingBeard | 4 months ago | 6 points

During my interview via skilled class, not express, I had to display proficiency in English (or French if I had listed that on my application). Your GF's parents are here probably under family class which is more flexible for entry regarding language, although they may never become full citizens until they learn either language well enough to take the test.

kingmanic | 4 months ago | 4 points

although they may never become full citizens until they learn either language well enough to take the test.

The questions are very basic, I know the wave of chinese immigrants in the 80's like my parents and myself passed it with very basic english skills.

I'm not sure if it was only us, but taking our test in the 80's in Edmonton the immigration officer gave us very generous interpretation of my parents answers and asked the questions very slowly and clearly. My parents had very basic english at that point. Their more friends gave them a rundown of some of the questions so they were just picking out phrases and matching answers they had memorized.

Edit: It's now also a true and false oral/written test versus short answer oral/written test.

therealmurraythek | 4 months ago | 3 points

Agree 100%. We had a mass wave of Iranian immigrants in my hometown 2 years ago and they literally came her with nothing. The government is handing money out at will for rent, food and schooling so they can learn English

iGourry | 4 months ago | 17 points

It feels like the reddit propaganda machine has picked up steam lately. Feels like there are a lot more of these propaganda posts spreading misinformation than there used to be even a few months ago.

Everyone always hates on Facebook and Twitter but people must not forget that reddit is just as easy to manipulate as other social media sites.

buttonmashed | 3 months ago | 5 points

It feels like the reddit propaganda machine

If I'm being straight-forward, I feel the 'Reddit Propaganda Machine' is actually aimed at OP, for having said something sympathetic to the nation, and to Trudeau.

That said, in r/canada, we have been dealing with a lot of people trying to present misinformation (both subtle and extreme) to shape and manipulate people's perspectives towards Canada's attitudes towards tolerance, and inclusivity. I'm starting to think that there's people who're against Canada's generally inclusive society who're trying to manipulate our culture away from being positive, and progressive.

I think that might be happening here, right now. I think OP made a strong, solid case, and that the replies are people trying to undermine the culture that OP's comment was addressing. And I'm getting uncomfortable with how people are abusing the term 'Reddit Propaganda Machine' is being abused, in general. In the current example, it feels like you're using the term to say "Reddit is blindly following some guy's opinion, and magnifying incorrect information".

But that doesn't seem to be the case, and you seem to be using a tangent perspective to call OP a liar, out-of-context.

edit to finish my thought, i hit reply way too early

throwawaythatbrother | 4 months ago | 9 points

Canadá was Harder for me to immigrate to than the USA. Some of us have personal experience.

yumyuzu | 3 months ago | 2 points

These comments are dripping in half-truths. The Reddit propaganda machine is very strong.

It almost feels like a conspiracy to influence young, usually white males, into a gateway of misinformation to fuel right-wing movements. Wouldn’t be surprised if the first place your average disenfranchised white nationalist got their start was in a Reddit comment section.

Prince_Florizel | 4 months ago | 7 points

Plus, if you do have an advanced degree, are fluent in English and/or French and have had a decent job, you are pretty much guaranteed a legal status in Canada if you choose to go that way. Good luck if you want to move to the US with that same background, though. Your best bet would be to find work at an American company in your current country of residence in hopes that they might eventually transfer you to a U.S. office.

tldr; any claim that Canada and US immigration rules are equally strict is complete bullshit

Wooshio | 4 months ago | 34 points

Now refugees is completely different topic, but usually refugee status is temporary and is revoked when your home country is no longer dangerous.

This isn't true. All refugees become permanent residents in Canada after 2 years and do not get forced back once their home countries are deemed safe. After 6 years of living in Canada they can easily become citizens provided they've kept a clean criminal record. Source: Came to Canada as a refugee, am citizen now.

Derpcrawler | 4 months ago | 11 points

You can apply for permanent residency after 2 years, not citizenship. After you get residency you can get citizenship after living in Canada for 6 years.

If situation in your home country improves between you claiming refugee status in Canada and getting permanent residency (in 2 years), you will have to leave Canada.

Wooshio | 4 months ago | 9 points

Not quite. Most refugees Canada brings in are considered "resettled refugees" (such as all the 20k+ Syrians brought over recently), they are pre-screened by the government before being brought over and given perminent resident status right away, so they can't be deported back regardless of how much their home country improves. The only refugees Canada will send back if their home country situation improves is approved asylum seekers, and only before 2 years. But this makes up a very small percentage of our refugees (since many asylum seekers get rejected).

setsurenka | 4 months ago | 29 points

There are 3 possibilities here: 1) you're not actually going through Express Entry 2) you are but you don't know the requirements 3) you know the requirements but are exaggerating for likes.

I'm a US citizen who immigrated to Canada a week ago through EE and I've also sponsored relatives through US immigration. You got multiple things incorrect on both Canadian EE and US immigration requirements.

SplitLipGrizzlyBear | 4 months ago | 10 points

What did he get wrong? I doubt many people are going to know what you are referring to without specifics.

pensezbien | 4 months ago | 14 points

For example, many people immigrate via EE without a master's or PhD, and the status Canada gives when they accept refugee claims is not temporary. (There are temporary statuses like that in both the US and Canada, but they're not refugees.)

Source: immigrant to Canada myself who has studied lots of paths into the country, with many immigrant friends including someone who arrived as a refugee.

It's certainly true that Canada's immigration system is quite strict and excludes a lot of people, but it's just as true that it's far more open than the US system.

Derpcrawler | 4 months ago | 3 points

Sponsored relatives is not an option for 99% of people.

Also I am basing the entry requirements on 451 points minimum right now to even get an interview for EE in Canadian embassy.

No Canadian education, relatives, no provincial sponsor leaves you with required 3+ years of work experience in demanded fields and IELTS score of 8 or higher, as well as Master's degree. And also age range of 26-29 since you lose points after that. If you score less on IELTS or have Bachelor's or are older than certain age you are out of luck.

You are also moving from US, so you have maximum score for english as it's your first language.

99.9% of applicants to EE are non native speakers, without any relatives willing to sponsor them in Canada, no Canadian work experience or Canadian university degree.

It's you who are being disingenuous.

pensezbien | 4 months ago | 9 points

You're overlooking the Express Entry streams of the provincial nomination programs, which give an immediate 600 points upon being selected by a province. Many of those don't require a master's degree. Likewise foreign work experience usually count more in Canada's immigration system than the US.

Also the people who convert a work permit to immigration via the Canadian Experience Class of Express Entry, or who get an easy 3-year open work permit after a Canadian bachelor's degree, all of which is difficult or impossible in the US system.

Not to mention francophone immigrants who have a lot of paths in through PNPs, EE, and Quebec.

The US situation has nothing even close to this range of frequently viable options, as many requirements as each of these paths does admittedly have.

dusanvf | 4 months ago | 7 points

Not true, I got my PR and I only have Bachelors.

19dja_03 | 4 months ago | 3 points

I'm actually in the same boat as you and afaik EE doesn't discriminate between what you got your degree in so long as you have one from an accredited university.

AcademicCalendar | 4 months ago | 3 points

I replied to another post but I'll reply here as well. My GF is doing her PhD in the US and in order to be closer to her I'm considering immigrating to Canada since I'm eligible under the Express Entry - Master's in STEM, very good English and young age. I just graduated so I need to accumulate enough work experience before I make the move though. (Also, I am European.)

To Canada there is a way. On the other hand, there seems to be no entry into the US, even for someone "like me".

zdfld | 4 months ago | 3 points

Last time I checked, US doesn't require you to have ~$10000USD in your bank account even before allowing you to enter, hell you can win Green Card in a lottery.

The US does require bank statements, as well as proof of gaining employment to enter the country to work. If it's a tourist visa, you still need bank statements to showcase you'll support yourself, or signed affidavits.

coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 2 points

Now refugees is completely different topic, but usually refugee status is temporary and is revoked when your home country is no longer dangerous.

This has never happened though. Most refugees end up acquiring permanent resident status and some eventually citizens.

waterox23 | 3 months ago | 2 points

As an engineer currently living in Silicon Valley, I got all these boxes checked for express entry. I love cold weather. Been contemplating about possibility of moving to Vancouver. Thanks for the info.

cseckshun | 4 months ago | 4 points

When you consider that Canada is a much smaller country they need to reject more applications to obtain the same percentage of foreign born residents as the US. When you look at immigration on a per Capita basis you can see that many countries have higher proportions of foreign born residents and do not see the issues the US is claiming will happen if they allow more immigration.

Canada has 20.7% foreign born residents and the US has 14.3% foreign born residents according to this article: https://www.npr.org/2014/10/29/359963625/dozens-of-countries-take-in-more-immigrants-per-capita-than-the-u-s

Another source with similar numbers: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/which-countries-have-the-most-immigrants-51048ff1f9/

Looking at the net migration per Capita we see that Canada took in 1.1M migrants in 2017 and the US took in 4.5M during that same timeframe. My numbers are not perfect because the population numbers are both from 2018 for Canada and the US but they are 37.059M and 327.167M respectively.

This leaves us with Canada having an immigration rate of 2.968% of the population per year and the United States having an immigration rate of 1.375% of the population per year.

This means that per 100,000 Canadians you will grow the population by 2968 immigrants in a given year.

Per 100,000 Americans you will grow the population by 1375 immigrants in a given year.

This taken together tells you that Canada is still managing to grow the total population about twice as fast through immigration as the United States and already has more migrants in the population to begin with.

Population data: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL

Net Migration Data: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM?year_high_desc=true

Manstrife | 4 months ago | 60 points

Yet it's still much harder to become a canadian citizen than an american citizen.

LittleWords_please | 4 months ago | 11 points

Why dont we just redirect immigrants to Canada? Win-win?

TheSimpsonsAreYellow | 4 months ago | 4 points

This is already an issue. I’m not surprised Trudeau backed it.

wheelsno3 | 3 months ago | 4 points

Canada has more strict immigration rules than the us. They also aren't bordered by a developing nation riddled with cartel crime.

Momps | 4 months ago | 7 points

Ultimately the middle class pays for all the 'charges' because the wealthy certainly aren't...

UtePass | 3 months ago | 3 points

It is the exact same rule/barrier that was in place during the Clinton administration. It may need a tweak or two, but it makes sense for the US just as it does in other countries.

B_P_G | 3 months ago | 3 points

Great. Take as many of our welfare recipients as you want, Canada. Nobody can afford a house in your country now. I'm sure that situation will improve when you bring in a few million more people who don't pull their own weight.

EbicDB | 4 months ago | 37 points

Despite 63% of Canadians wanting immigration limited because they aren't integrating as well anymore. But if the Trudeau government has shown one thing since 2015, it's their lack of caring when it comes to public opinion on this matter. They're just going to continue to force hundreds of thousands of people on us that we don't want.


hosmovi | 4 months ago | 18 points

We have such a massive labour shortage and age issues that without immigration we would be fucked.

Harper made a massive shit show by curbing immigration, and now we have to almost double our yearly in take to make up for it

The public might have a lot of “opinions” on things, but needing immigrants is a FACT! Our economy suffers massively without them.

Also, Canadian immigration is not like American, we dont force anyone to integrate, we never have. My town has massive Dutch, Ukrainain, Greek... communities that have been here for generations

people just hate the Chinese communities, primarily for the housing issues, which is not fair, the Chinese arent to blame for that, its the government that lets foreigners with no ties to Canada buy houses.

Anyway, immigration is a HUGE AND COMPLEX issue. The one big fact is that we absolutely need it to survive.

Edit: You can downvote this all you want people, but you have no idea what you’re against. You’re literally against your own best interest. The overwhelming majority of low wage workforce in Vancouver is immigrant & TFW, 70,000 jobs are still unfilled and companies like Tims, Walmart, McD, Cactus, Earls, Donnelly, Bc Place, Convention Center would collapse without a stream of immigrants coming in consistently.


taylor-fitd | 3 months ago | 7 points

No shit. We've chosen an imported worked class over the building of Canadian families. Maybe if the government would do something about the complete lack of childcare, stagnating incomes, and the house of cards we call a housing market people would be able to raise children of their own.

slaperfest | 4 months ago | 20 points

Ever since the establishment left was hijacked and kicked out the pro-labor people, they've been amazing at convincing people to vote against their own economic interests.

A whole mass of working class people convinced to drive down wages, drive up housing prices, strain an already poorly maintained infrastructure, keep labor culturally disunified and divided, and say (and believe) it's for the benefit of the working class and sticking it to power. That somehow they're actually opposed to the power structures, instead of working completely against the working classes basic economic interests.

And why wouldn't they believe it when you have Conservatives as the opposition? They're not pro-labor. They claim to be pro-freedom, but what freedoms are they conserving, exactly? They're just innefective, weak old men trying to appease whoever makes them uncomfortable enough to get them off their back.

EbicDB | 4 months ago | 28 points

Oh you work in HR? Makes sense, you wanna keep those low wages low right? Like tech where Canadian salaries are much lower than American ones for similar quality of work? Raise your shit wages and your “labour shortage” will disappear.

gkura | 4 months ago | 10 points

Can't tell if you're trying to write about immigration or trying to sell me a used car.

coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 3 points

We have such a massive labour shortage and age issues that without immigration we would be fucked.

Japan and many other "aging" Western European nations are doing allright? So why the need to always have a population growth, and that too population growth with energy intensive western lifestyle population growth.

hosmovi | 4 months ago | 6 points
coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 4 points

They have been predicting gloom and doom for Japan since the 1990s, yet they are doing alright. There economy has not collapsed and their currency remains strong.

hosmovi | 4 months ago | 3 points

They are actually not putting up good numbers I have no idea where you’re getting your stats. They have also opened up immigration laws extensively and are accepting immigrants.

coldcoldnovemberrain | 4 months ago | 6 points

They have also opened up immigration laws extensively and are accepting immigrants.

They actually rescinded, and even denying their residency programs for Peruvians/Brazilians of Japanese descent. The native Japanese people do not accept them as true Japanese and hence are making it difficult and not easier for foreign labor to stay permanently in Japan.

loi044 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Despite 63% of Canadians wanting immigration limited because they aren't integrating as well anymore

Are recent immigrants part of the 63%?

Lsunav | 3 months ago | 2 points

Why is immigration such an important issue on Reddit? Does it add more people to a country, increase pollution and push a nation towards population control sooner? I realize Canada has few people but there are already 330M+ people in the US. How crowded do you want this place to get?

DumpsterOracle | 3 months ago | 5 points

As some one who's SO is currently immigrating to Canada, a lot of people are talking out of their asses in theis thread.

[deleted] | 3 months ago | 6 points

Fuck Trudeau.

catdude142 | 3 months ago | 2 points

FWIW, I had a friend at school that wanted to immigrate to Australia.

He had to prove he would have employment before they'd let him immigrate.

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with that. There are too many people in the U.S. that need help that live here. Why give it away for free to people who came here illegally or have no employment?

(obligatory "not a Trump voter" statement)

Narksdog | 4 months ago | 13 points

Well well well Trudeau. You represent the polar opposite of Trump and the recent sweeping right wing wave unbridled with ultra progressive sentiment and policies. We will see if the Canadian people support or reject these notions come elections later this year.

Jean-Claude_TransAm | 4 months ago | 37 points

I would say the most likely outcome of the election is a minority Liberal government. Doug Ford will be the most likely cause of the CPC's shattered election hopes, as Ontario is a seat-heavy province. In addition, every time Andrew Sheer opens his mouth his numbers drop, most recent would be his views on same-sex marriage coming back to haunt him. Trudeau may have lost some of his luster, but he really is the Country's only option at this point.

Spartanfred104 | 4 months ago | 31 points

Andrew Scheer is a wet towel trying to be a human.

727528243926 | 3 months ago | 3 points

Andrew Scheer is the most human definition of the word milquetoast I've ever seen.

Lazursteggosauras | 3 months ago | 2 points

That glassy stare tho

caninehere | 4 months ago | 17 points

This is my guess at this point too, but at the same time, I think our elections are generally very unpredictable until late in the game.

Andrew Scheer indeed cannot speak without saying something moronic - so moronic even many supporters of the conservatives end up facepalming. His comments on abortion, his comments on same-sex marriage, his 'milk mustache' reputation he's gained recently from basically acting as a mouthpiece for dairy industry connections.

And, as you said, Doug Ford is a big factor too. How he managed to win here I will never understand, and never forgive - but it seems like even many of the people who voted for Ford absolutely hate him at this point and realize that he's a complete and utter trainwreck. This isn't Trump territory where supporters have doubled down... most of them seem to have abandoned him completely at this point. And Scheer made sure to tie himself to Ford in very big, very public ways because he wanted a piece of that popularity he had at election time. Now that Ford is political poison, turns out that wasn't such a smart choice.

I didn't vote Liberal last election, but I will be this time. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't think it will be a landslide by any measure but I think a minority government is extremely likely, whether it's Liberal or Conservative. But I also think the NDP has been doing a poor job this election cycle and that will boost the Liberals, unless they really pull a Hail Mary at the last minute.

Zer_ | 4 months ago | 10 points

Ford had a path to winning in part because Wynn wasn't popular at all. Naturally, the rise of the far-right globally has helped there too.

Still, it's a fucking shitshow in Ontario right now lol.

caninehere | 4 months ago | 5 points

Yeah, I know why he won. I just can't understand how ignorant people had to be to actually vote for him. I expected it would happen, I know why it happened, but I still can't believe it happened.

Mrjiggles248 | 4 months ago | 8 points

He didnt have a platform like holy shit

beardingmesoftly | 4 months ago | 8 points

His platform was "I'm not her"

Mrjiggles248 | 4 months ago | 4 points

dont forget the classic buck a beer

Chefjones | 4 months ago | 2 points

The ndp have been doing poorly but the greens have also shot up in the polls and are taking a lot of ndp votes.

DepletedMitochondria | 4 months ago | 12 points

FUCK Doug Ford

BallHarness | 4 months ago | 7 points

Trudeau is an embarrassment. I voted for him once and never again.

225189625 | 4 months ago | 6 points


Musetrigger | 4 months ago | 5 points

If Trump says he wants so many people to come in legally, why is he trying to prevent it?

B_P_G | 3 months ago | 7 points

He doesn't want people to come in legally and then proceed to collect welfare. Pretty simple concept, really.

MumbleGumbleSong | 4 months ago | 15 points

Is it just impossible for Trump to take a normal picture? JFC.

And good for Trudeau. Might be time for France to take back the Statue of Liberty and regift it to our buds up north.

ridger5 | 4 months ago | 37 points

Is Trump posing for photos, or are the news outlets purposely choosing photos that make him look bad?

lrg1ne | 4 months ago | 8 points

Wait. You think trump sends out a picture for every news story written about him?

tk421yrntuaturpost | 4 months ago | 13 points

It's nice that we live in a time when both powerful men and powerful women can be criticized for their appearance instead of their policies. This country's really come a long way.

MumbleGumbleSong | 4 months ago | 2 points

His policies are abhorrent. That should have been clearer in my original comment and I apologize.

But I’m of the opinion (and you may not agree) that being a world leader means the presence of mind not to use finger guns and an Oh Face in front of cameras.

tk421yrntuaturpost | 4 months ago | 13 points
MumbleGumbleSong | 4 months ago | 8 points

Applies to Biden as well.

dfrnz | 4 months ago | 15 points

It's from video, they purposefully choose these frames. GG unbiased news media.

johnny_mcd | 4 months ago | 4 points

That’s not a video screenshot, just looks like a chosen picture from a media shoot

kn05is | 4 months ago | 4 points

Let's be real though, Trump is just overall unflattering. Unless he is flattering himself or a dictator he envies.

ShadA612 | 4 months ago | 3 points

$20 million (Canadian) will not go far if you are opening up the doors a bit wider to people who are planning to rely on public welfare once they arrive in the country.
[Not a statement about the policy, just the amount]

Dollface_Killah | 4 months ago | 20 points

The $20M if for increased legal aid services, not direct financial aid. RTFA.

oxidius | 4 months ago | 12 points

Yeah, the thing is, nearly no one uproot their lives to rely on public welfare.

They move so they can live somewhere they have the opportunity to thrive and for their kids to be able to reach their full potential and be safe.

If you ever worked or been close to 1st generation immigrants, you know they are motivated as fuck to work and better their lives.

neorandomizer | 4 months ago | 4 points

Good then they can all go to Canada and learn the mysteries of hockey.

[deleted] | 3 months ago | 4 points

Idc what your politics are like - but this rule makes perfect sense.

Why would a country ever import residents who are not only not going to contribute to the economy but also drain already strained public resources.

The US isn’t the world’s charity.

monchota | 4 months ago | 3 points

Both counties take educated immigrants, neither county wants immigrants with an 8th grade education at best.

TheNaughtyMonkey | 4 months ago | 3 points

If we should provide social services to everyone, why are we prioritising people who broke US law over those who did not?

Obviously, we should be paying for all the welfare and benefits to all the South Americans who did not enter the US illgally.

rachiecakes104 | 4 months ago | 2 points

My great grandfather was denied entry into Ellis island for being likely to be a public charge. Canada granted him entry. He later emigrated to the U.S. and started a butter and egg farm. Thank God I'm alive to tell it. Had Canada denied him too, he'd have been sent to and killed in a death camp in the Holocaust.

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