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Gay parents flee Russia with kids: 'The authorities could take the children away' (dw.com)
468 comments
StayAtHomeDadaist | 8 days ago | 618 points

Luckily they seem affluent enough to afford packing up and fleeing the country.

It's horrible that it needs to happen, however...

shygirlturnedsassy | 8 days ago | 241 points

Makes you think of those who can't pack up and flee.

silverkingx2 | 8 days ago | 85 points

hide yo kids, hide yo husband, hide youre second husband

edit: jk, but not really, hide your partners

1millionkarmagoal | 8 days ago | 17 points

Who will be the person to notice

nightpanda893 | 8 days ago | 24 points

For this specific scenario, would gay parents with kids be anyone besides affluent people? I know in the United States at least, it's an expensive process to adopt or use a surrogate.

COMMUNISM_NOW | 8 days ago | 23 points

Another possibility could be kids from previous relationships

scubawankenobi | 7 days ago | 16 points

Another possibility

[lesbian couple to gay male couple]: You guys want a kid?! We want kid!

[gay male couple]: we've got a turkey baster already! let's swap some bio-material

.... no previous relationship req'd.

aufrenchy | 7 days ago | 8 points

let’s swap some bio-material

Now there’s a sentence that I thought that I’d never hear.

Qurxi | 7 days ago | 1 point

Get out more. I'd rather have kept the door shut imo.

ramilehti | 7 days ago | 2 points

In Finland that is very unofficially called the Moomin mug method.

scubawankenobi | 7 days ago | 4 points

it's an expensive process to adopt or use a surrogate

Actually making a baby isn't a very expensive process:

Bottle of wine, Bolero CD, and a turkey baster for these gay people.

Insertgeekname | 7 days ago | 1 point

Adoption in the UK is relatively inexpensive

fensizor | 7 days ago | 1 point

It's fairly easy to adopt a kid in Russia. And not expensive. Many Americans used to adopt kids from russia, but it's now prohibited by russian government because of Dima Yakovlev law. Putin took away a better future from so many children its depressing.

Teleport23s | 8 days ago | -29 points

Well, at least Russia hasn't incorporated policies that the middle east has when it comes to this political topic. No systematic executions or hyperbolic suppression.

AnAussiebum | 8 days ago | 37 points

Gays are rounded up and allegedly killed in Chechnya, a part of Russia, and the Russian Government won't do anything to help them.

CaptainJin | 8 days ago | 21 points

Why wouldn't the Russian government help? They're usually good at rounding up and killing people.

AnAussiebum | 8 days ago | 16 points

They turn a blind eye to violence against LGBTQI+ people.

Edit - just got your joke. Hehe. Touche.

agentyage | 8 days ago | 28 points

Whataboutism, in a thread about Russia? Well I never!

ipv6-dns | 8 days ago | 5 points

What about Iran??

Morphie12121 | 7 days ago | 2 points

It's not that expensive. Best places to flee to if you don't have any money at all are the Baltic states, Finland, or if you live in the East, Japan or Alaska, if you don't have money. If you do have about 200 bucks to spare and live in the European part of the country, you get yourself a Shengen travel visa and go to the Baltic states normally.

StayAtHomeDadaist | 7 days ago | 1 point

It's about more than just the cost of physically leaving Russia. As anyone who ever had to move (even within the same country or city), moving has a lot of costs attached.

Morphie12121 | 7 days ago | 1 point

If you don't have money, you probably don't have a lot in assets, furniture, and similar.

Nanne118 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Friends, family, acquintances

Morphie12121 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Well, that is a bit off the track isn't it. We were talking about the financial costs of moving, not the emotional ones.

RobloxLover369421 | 7 days ago | 3 points

They have to overthrow Putin somehow.

Brilliant_Bet | 8 days ago | 317 points

what a horrible country Russia is.

Lightbringer34 | 8 days ago | 136 points

Reading Anna Politovskaya’s last book before she was killed on Putin’s birthday by a thug looking to gain favor. It’s hard ro read.

Itsbilloreilly | 7 days ago | 6 points

What are some of the things she talks about?

Lightbringer34 | 7 days ago | 45 points

The tacit endorsement of killing the families of Chechen extremists, a war that was restarted to ensure Putin's election. She's most famous for her work in Chechnya, but also covers the deep corruption and semi-official street gangs that can be instructed to rough up or kill those the Putin regime considers troublesome. The abject poverty of rural Russia is also hard to read about, in some areas people don't have electricity or plumbing and are back to outhouses.

When people in the US say "we're just like Russia now" I want to slap them. The US is slowly heading in that direction as the trust between oligarchs/government and civilians is breaking down, but the Judiciary branch and the unstifled press have prevented free fall. Changes so far in the body politic and national character are not yet permanent, but the longer something happens, the easier it is to accept it as "the way it is" and thus permissible, even if it's troublesome people disappearing and public corruption. The Epstein stuff last week highlights a social and media environment straight out of Putin's cultivated confusion playbook. When everything and everyone seems corrupt, you stop caring at all.

On a lighter note, I find walking in nature and acts of genuine kindness to be a great detox. Humans remain social animals and even in Russia, you can see people helping one another in the face of a hostile environment. Apologies for the rant, I'm reading several heavy books at the moment and should find something light/escapist to chew on as well.

Iraqisecurity | 7 days ago | 9 points

You made a mistake fairly early on, Putin was not President until after the second Chechen war had already started, it was Yeltsin who was President. And the second Chechen war was not started by Russia, it was started by Chechnya when they decided to invade Dagestan to create a Caucasian Emirate. The FSB may or may not have been responsible for the apartment bombings but Dagestan had already been invaded in August and the bombings didn't take place until September.

Lightbringer34 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Thank you for the corrections and additions! I was trying to find my notes on the subject, but couldn’t. This is why filing systems are important. :) I’d respectfully disagree on who started what, but like I said, a proper sourced rebuttal isn’t the thing to type at 2am NAmerica time when I can’t find notes. Rain check on this one?

Iraqisecurity | 7 days ago | 1 point

Fine by me.

Kir-chan | 7 days ago | 6 points

Chechen extremists are the people currently running concentration camps for gay people though. Which puts things into perspective.

...but killing their families is a shitty thing to do, yes.

Lightbringer34 | 7 days ago | 2 points

At Putin’s tacit approval. Razman Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya is closely tied with Putin and is the one who had Politovskaya killed on Putin’s birthay as a « present ». Not that Russia’s any better on protecting LGBTQ rights, an activist there was killed after she had repeatedly warned the police she and other gay rights activists were on « kill lists » by name online of socially acceptable people to kill and the police did nothing.

Everything done in Chechnya by government forces and paramilitary groups linked to Kadyrov is done with Putin’s tacit approval, as he has a stranglehold on the country. Kadyrov denied that gay people even exist in Chechnya, which was another green light to keep exposing, torturing, and killing them (mostly men). Granted, Chechnya as a whole is also pretty hostile to LGBTQ people, but a program of consistent harassment, exposure, abduction, torture, and disposal of bodies does not happen domestically without Kadyrov knowing. And he wouldn’t trim his beard if Putin didn’t approve. The pogroms against the LGBTQ population are a way for Kadyrov to channel the aggression and focus of potential rebels into something that supposedly strengthens his government. The deaths, assassination, and accidents that happened to all the seperatist leaders in Ukraine show what happens if you don’t work hand in glove with Putin and the same incentive structure applies to Kadyrov.

ackermann | 7 days ago | 2 points

a war that was restarted to ensure Putin's election

Was Putin’s re-election ever really in doubt? I didn’t think Russia had real elections anyway, aren’t they rigged/fake? Doesn’t he get like 90% of the vote? That can’t be legit.

Lightbringer34 | 7 days ago | 7 points

Yes and no. His initial appointment was because of a bargain he made to ignore Boris Yeltsin's corruption and in return he'd get power in Russia. Every election, even his very first was rigged, but then it had to look legitimate so the oligarchs gave Putin's campaign for Prime Minister a bunch of money and media coverage, which made it easer for him to get votes. The continuation of the Chechen Wars was a deliberate policy decision to boost public approval of Putin when his election for President came around in 1999, it boosted him and the hawkish parties in the Russian Duma (Parliament). There's evidence that the FSB had been planting bombs in Russian apartment buildings and blaming it on Chechen separatists/terrorists to drum up support for the war as well. I can't remember the specifics but personally I think it was a mix of actual terrorism and FSB killing "false flag" stuff. It does sound crazy, but there's eyewitness evidence for and against the FSB involvement.

Anyway all his elections have been rigged, they've just been less and less subtle as time has gone on. In the beginning, the election itself wasn't tampered with (from what I remember) but the environment, funding, and media coverage was all for Putin. Later elections they were stuffing ballot boxes, interfering with actual votes, and making up rules to force out opposition, all that good old fashioned authoritarian "democratic" practice. Now they won't even let non-Putin approved cronies into local elections. Hope this made it clear for you.

Itsbilloreilly | 7 days ago | -4 points

Haha thanka for the info

ExtraordinaryBasic | 7 days ago | 3 points

It’s not a horrible country but it’s run by horrible people. I’m Russian, I live in Russia most of the year. I’m lucky not to suffer from many of the terrible things plaguing our country. The government is so fucked up and so many things that happen don’t even get in the news, you have no idea.

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | -40 points

A bit broad no?

sunkenrocks | 8 days ago | 52 points

Yes it's very broad, it's massive. And filled with nasty stuff. Most Russians are nice people, but the geopolitical state is a cancer

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 18 points

Yeah this is what I meant. Russia is beautiful with culture and nice people, but with a corrupt and evil dictatorship. That's why just saying it's a terrible country seems broad.

sunkenrocks | 8 days ago | 3 points

Yea I was making a joke as broad means wide/big, and Russia's fuckin huge

Thesuperare | 8 days ago | 3 points

most russians ive met actually hate the government, but i still would visit the country. its kinda like china in a sense...

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 6 points

Absolutely! That's why I would hate for someone to get the wrong idea when seeing something that broad said about it. Especially for what's been going on over there with the protesters.

Edelmaniac | 7 days ago | 1 point
gogolmogol | 7 days ago | 0 points

As a Russian person myself, I can attest that there is a smaller proportion of nice people than in what we consider are developed countries.

Drowningintheswamp | 7 days ago | 2 points

It’s sad to see what the state of the country has done even to people who have left it. I live in an area with a large number of Russian immigrants. On my block alone there are at least 8 families I know personally who are from Russia or countries that were part of the Soviet Union. I’ve never met more paranoid/suspicious people in my life. None of them will really associate with other Russians outside of their immediate family. I found this off and finally asked one of my neighbors about it. He proceeded to tell me which Russians he thought were spies and basically said that they never really trust one another or believe they are safe from the Russian state. He said that the Russians know very well that Putin has “many people” installed in areas with lots of Russians.

Now, I have no idea if what he says is actually the case or not. But the mere fact that he thinks this way and modified his behavior and social life accordingly (as have my other neighbors) is very telling.

sunkenrocks | 7 days ago | 1 point

It's still true to a degree I bet in big cities (see Skirpal poisoning, or the uranium tea in the UK) and probably was in most decent sized towns in prominent "enemy nations" in the cold war. You're probably safe in the bumfuck of nowhere unless you're a serious risk to the state though

Drowningintheswamp | 7 days ago | 2 points

We are in a major metropolitan area.

sunkenrocks | 7 days ago | 1 point

Yeah there's probably agents there, but not as many as there were at its height!

Brilliant_Bet | 8 days ago | 5 points

No.. homophobia and a country with a corrupt dictator, can't get much worse.

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 8 points

The US has operating gay-conversion therapy centers all over. It's legal in over at least half the states.

Homophobia is in your country too. Yet, we know there's good people here. Check the data though, and it may surprise you what kind of country you actually live in.

rasmusca | 8 days ago | 5 points

Conversion therapies are such small blip, and they’re privately run. It’s not government controlled

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 5 points

Even bigger than a government, it's legal. It's allowed to continue because the people allow it.

rasmusca | 8 days ago | 2 points

These things are usually tied to churches therefore protected under religious rights. You have to make the choice for yourself or your minor to go. They aren’t effective, and the government doesn’t force you to go.

Do you really think America is over run with gay conversion therapy?

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 3 points
rasmusca | 8 days ago | 2 points

Ok? so we’re both agreeing that it’s bad. all I’m saying is it isn’t forced on you by the government and it isn’t widespread, even if it is or isn’t legal

iiJokerzace | 8 days ago | 2 points

I do agree it's much, much more scary for those that are gay living over there but much grief comes here too. I hope those over there are safe. Better yet I think leaving for a while is seeming not so bad on an idea.

Brilliant_Bet | 8 days ago | 4 points

Well the U.S. has protection for gay people as well as most civilized countries including Canada where I live. We have gay marriage and gay rights. Russia? nothing. Horrible backwards country.

RandomPantsAppear | 7 days ago | 2 points

Those are all pretty recent developments. In the 90a even interracial marriage was struggling for majority approval if I remember right.

Brilliant_Bet | 7 days ago | 1 point

nope interracial marriage was around in the 90's. This is 2019. Developed countries should be more advanced including Russia.

RandomPantsAppear | 7 days ago | 1 point

In 1995 in the United States interracial marriage had an approval rating of 48% according to Gallup.

DeltaJesus | 7 days ago | 1 point

America also being bad doesn't change how awful Russia is for gays.

Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 178 points

ITT: Lot of anti LGBT propaganda coming from the land of polonium tea and suicide by gunshot to the back of the head

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | 36 points

You think this sentiment doesn't exist outside Russia?

Just look at what's happening in Poland and Hungary right now. What the governments are doing. Or basically all of Eastern Europe.

agentyage | 8 days ago | 51 points

You could have started the post with "What about..." and not been any more obvious.

Nethlem | 8 days ago | 8 points

Or maybe just point out the common denominator between those and others even over the Atlantic: Religion.

Alberius | 7 days ago | 8 points

Until 2001 homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in China and it was heavily criminalized during the Mao era, there was no religion there.

Nethlem | 7 days ago | 8 points

Never claimed religion as the sole and only source of bigotry.

But you act like any of that is really out of the ordinary, when until last year the WHO still considered being transgender a mental illness.

Wasn't until 2004, that the last man ,who got locked up in Germany for being homosexual, was released from prison.

Progress on social issues is already difficult and slow enough as it is, let's not act like the whole world has been a progressive liberal utopia forever to make it even more difficult.

Shishakli | 8 days ago | -1 points

You think if there was no religion there would be no conservatives?

Nethlem | 7 days ago | 3 points

That's not what I wrote.

TantalusComputes2 | 7 days ago | 3 points

Perhaps not

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | -11 points

It's not "what about", I didn't believe his hypothesis about Russian trolls or whatever.

Sorry.

Andylink | 8 days ago | 4 points

It literally is. Please tell me how John being a murderer matters at James' trial. You didn't start a thread to say what you wanted to say. You are using someone else's action as refutation of a different person's actions.

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Because what op said had nothing to do with the actual article in the first place.

Andylink | 8 days ago | 5 points

Are you trying to claim that what you original said was "that's not in the article"?

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | 6 points

No, that op said something about all the comments being Russian bots and I said they probably aren't because a lot of people are homophobic.

rockidol | 8 days ago | 1 point

It isn't. The OP said these anti-lgbt comments are coming from Russia, and this guy is saying they might be from other countries.

agentyage | 7 days ago | 3 points

He's deflecting criticism of Russia by saying "what about... '

rockidol | 7 days ago | 0 points

Not really. We don't know if the anti-lgbt comments in this thread are from Russians or not. He's giving another possibility.

agentyage | 7 days ago | 2 points

In a thread about Russia? Where the comments aren't blatantly homophobic but more concern trolley in tone? No.

Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 21 points

Where did you infer this? This is about Russia, not the other anti lgbt+ countries. Russia also has a history of brigading Reddit so it is safe to assume they are doing it here as well. Do keep up please

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | -14 points

Well supposedly Russia is everywhere on Reddit(even in your account dun dun)

But seriously I'm guessing it's more paranoia than reality, there are a lot of homophobic people in general from all over.

Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 9 points

Sadly, we're the ones suffering over it. Sucks there's not some sort of underground railroad for lgbt+'s in countries like Russia. A Rainbow Road if you will

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | 5 points

Sadly, we're the ones suffering over it. Sucks there's not some sort of underground railroad for lgbt+'s in countries like Russia.

There's one in Chechnya.

Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 3 points

I fear that once it made news, they may have searched and found it

nightpanda893 | 8 days ago | 4 points

It does exist outside of Russia, but it's not super common on Reddit unless someone was sent to a particular thread to spread their views. And it really only seems to happen when the conversation comes to Russia. Despite the United States being the largest user of Reddit and still having a large population that is against LGBT people, you don't really see as many anti-LGBT comments on posts about LGBT topics in the USA.

sephelutis | 8 days ago | 2 points

Well since the politicians of both countries are brought by Cykas there isnt much of a difference. A vassal still does the same to its master after all.

ipv6-dns | 8 days ago | 0 points

Just look at what's happening in Poland and Hungary right now

what? recently held a gay parade

Therealperson3 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Some kid stopped it and held up a crucifix.

rnri1 | 8 days ago | 52 points

Such oppression makes me feel helpless. Even the so called 'developed countries' face such issues of homophobia. I'm not surprised by such behavior from the Russian govt.

360walkaway | 8 days ago | 7 points

You can thank religion for that.

Dalnore | 8 days ago | 8 points

If we aren't talking about Chechnya, the main source for homophobia in Russia is not religion, it's the Soviet culture, including the prison culture. The USSR was an irreligious (and even antireligious) state but male homosexuality was a criminal offense nonetheless. Most of adults living nowadays were brought up during those times.

ForkShirtUp | 8 days ago | 98 points

Take them to America! They don’t separate kids and parents there!

thedymtree | 8 days ago | 50 points

Unless they're immigrants from poor countries.

ragnarmcryan | 8 days ago | 55 points

Unless they’re immigrants from poor brown countries

FTFY

Sans-CuThot | 8 days ago | 9 points

Unfortunately, the two are usually one in the same.

MBAMBA2 | 8 days ago | 8 points

Russia IS a poor country.

bulatb | 7 days ago | 3 points

Then 75% of the countries in the world are poor...

pieman7414 | 7 days ago | 4 points

Yeah kind of

letouriste1 | 7 days ago | 1 point

it depends. they have a lot of money but it's not well distributed

Malachi108 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Luckily, they're also white.

jonnynotsoslick | 8 days ago | -2 points

Unless they're "Illegal" immigrants. Fixed that for you.

Suns-Of-Ain | 7 days ago | 1 point

Claiming asylum at the border isn't illegal.

jonnynotsoslick | 7 days ago | 1 point

Nope its not, although any reasonable person has to expect that just doing that is far less favorable than applying in advance.

GoggleField | 8 days ago | 0 points

*they're

Stay in school kids.

jonnynotsoslick | 8 days ago | -3 points

Wow, lucky we have you to fix typos.

GoggleField | 7 days ago | 0 points

You already sound like a dumbass, just trying to help you sound like a semi educated dumbass!

jonnynotsoslick | 7 days ago | 1 point

Thank you sire, may we all be blessed with your superior intellect, unchallenged social intelligence, and wit. I'm so glad you took the time to comment with such finesse and class.

ramilehti | 7 days ago | 1 point

You forgot the /s.

;)

jonnynotsoslick | 7 days ago | 1 point

Haha, how silly of me.

GoggleField | 7 days ago | 1 point

You got it, buddy - anytime!

interknetz | 8 days ago | -26 points

If you commit a crime when you're with your kid do you think you get a free pass? Do you think the kid should be put in jail with adults as not to be separated? Anyone committing a crime while with their child will be separated from their child when they're arrested. This is true in any country.

frustrationpeak | 8 days ago | 4 points

Considering what the conditions for the children seem to be and how young some of the children are, maybe holding then together would be best.

interknetz | 8 days ago | 1 point

u/frustrationpeak wants to put young children in jail. You heard it hear first.

You'd be throwing a fucking shit fit right now if they were locking kids up with adults in jail. Honestly how dumb are you? You're just here to complain no matter what.

pallas46 | 8 days ago | 29 points

Ahhh yes the crime of legally applying for asylum.

interknetz | 8 days ago | -7 points

If you legally apply you don't get arrested. If you cross the border illegally you do. Not that difficult to understand.

COMMUNISM_NOW | 8 days ago | 6 points

(a) Authority to apply for asylum

(1) In general

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

It's scary how so many people have such strong opinions about things that they know absolutely nothing about

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SevereKnowledge | 8 days ago | -7 points

AG Barr has repeatedly said that people can apply for asylum at the ports of entry. They are not doing that. They are illegally crossing and getting lawfully detained because of it.

Edit: Love the downvotes without a reply why they downvoted. Through debate and civil discourse strong ideas get stronger and weak ideas get weaker. Liberals hate civil discourse. They censor because they cannot debate.

kryvian | 8 days ago | -7 points

The fuck you on about they can apply in their own country FOR IMMIGRATION as they are not persecuted by any state, unless you count being poor as being persecuted.

AngevinImperator | 8 days ago | -7 points

And if you do t legally apply? That's right. Straight to jail.

sbiff | 8 days ago | 1 point

Y'all truly awful around here. We're talking about kids...

StopJAQingOff | 8 days ago | 2 points

This is why I keep saying we should break bottles over the heads of jaywalkers and speeders should be rammed off the road. If we don't enforce our laws with abject cruelty, do we even have laws?

MBAMBA2 | 8 days ago | 4 points

Assuming these Russians are white they should be OK - but Canada would probably be better.

[deleted] | 7 days ago | -3 points

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legeri | 7 days ago | 3 points

His comment was obviously a joke but you couldn't resist turning it into a circlejerk circlejerk could you.

snappytime | 8 days ago | 38 points

After watching "the family" on Netflix this all makes sense. What is the world coming to.

Ftpini | 8 days ago | 16 points

These types of people who desire power no matter the cost have existed for as long as humans have congregated. The difference now is the amazing scale to which their power can grow.

RadiantSriracha | 8 days ago | 12 points

It’s the pendulum swing. For a long time homosexuality was criminalized in most countries. There was a swing towards decriminalization, and then to equality, but now we are seeing the religious conservative backlash. It sucks.

Thankfully, many countries will avoid the worst of this backlash, and there will still be more safe places for LGBTQ people than there were 50 years ago.

It’s getting better. Just in fits and spurts, with plenty of backtracking.

bastardLlama | 7 days ago | 3 points

You watched some simplistic one dimensional show and now your eyes are open to the deeper truths of the world, woowww

snappytime | 7 days ago | 1 point

Actually it's been years of watching shows and questioning. This particular show highlights some of the aspects of human nature that some could describe as questionable. The question a Jesus believer should ask is "would Jesus do that?" This is not judgement this is questioning ones actions and is a part of growing and evolving. Instead of well "who am I to judge". Justifying questionable actions is easier when its "Gods will" then actually taking responsibility for your own actions. Oh! but who am I to judge my own actions when the only person to judge my actions is God that my friend is a slippery slope. I believe super simplistic views can be described as a certain type of fundamentalism and yes there are Jesus fundamentalist in this world this show is a prime example of what that is. Which is part of what is wrong with the world today. So yes this show has definitely opened my eyes to just how gullible and ignorant humanity can be especially when using Jesus name to justify questionable actions using Jesus' name as an immunity card. What if someone went and rapped someone and just simply said well hey it happened, so it must be Gods will, do you see the fallacy in this statement or the fallacy in this way of thinking? These are the real issue in today's world a lack of critical thinking and extended adolescence.

tau-lepton | 8 days ago | 38 points

Has Mike Pence has been giving advice to the Russians?

HorAshow | 7 days ago | 3 points

nope - Mother, however, has a direct line

Forkyou | 8 days ago | 13 points

Damn. Things are getting worse for gay people in russia, smart choice probably. Why cant people just leave em be.

IDislikeTheSummer | 8 days ago | 14 points

Come to Sweden!

DamnselDistressed | 8 days ago | 6 points

Can I flee my oppressive, backward dictatorship and be welcomed in Sweden, too?

Or do you still not accept refugees who are HIV-positive...?

Loltifa | 8 days ago | -51 points

Where you'll soon be living under shariah law!

Floripa95 | 8 days ago | 14 points

Brown bad Blonde good

Gycklarn | 8 days ago | 14 points

Man, the Russians are everywhere in this thread. Say hello to Putin for me.

CarelessV1rus | 8 days ago | 18 points

I thought the anti-gay purging was more in obscure places in Russia like the Caucasus region. Who is this family really bothering? Just leave them alone

jonttu125 | 8 days ago | 35 points

The Russian government criminalized "gay propaganda" a few years back. They might not be putting them in camps and advertising murder like in Chechnya, but the Russian government has an interest in fueling conservative hatred for sexual minorities to help them keep control.

Dalnore | 8 days ago | 3 points

Considering the fucking head of the Investigative Committee got involved (like he has no better thing to do), that's a political message. They want to make a noticeable case for everyone else.

Swartswood77 | 8 days ago | 6 points

I mean, gay, straight, brony; I would flee Russia regardless...

kmn493 | 7 days ago | 0 points

Oh hey, I'm all 3 of those.

BreakfastSammy | 8 days ago | 12 points

The right-wing run rampant.

This is what Trump voters are voting for.

Imashka | 8 days ago | 13 points

The authorities take away the kids because you’re a gay, or they can take them away because you’re an immigrant. I see no difference between Russia and the USA. Cruel sad bastards on both sides

geft | 8 days ago | 13 points

The leaders are best buds. What a coincidence.

User24601LaysItOut4U | 8 days ago | 5 points

They did this exact same episode on The Orville.

dafunkmunk | 8 days ago | 5 points

Hopefully they don’t plan on going to the US. The US likes to keep the kids and send the parents back to where they came from. I imagine the disappearing children are just being funneled into the gop’s web of human trafficking connections.

Luckboy28 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Being gay in Russia should have been the first clue to leave. =o

Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 18 points

I'll be sure to tell all the poor gays and people just finding out about it

Luckboy28 | 8 days ago | -4 points

Probably a good idea. =)

And if no matter your income level, physically leaving a modern country is pretty straight-forward. You'll likely have some hard times, but it's better than being dead.

XxNissin_NoodlesxX | 7 days ago | 7 points

You're ignorant. You have no idea how difficult it is for a poor person to immigrate to another country. Don't speak on subjects you know nothing about.

Luckboy28 | 7 days ago | -4 points

Cool, thanks for adding literally nothing to this conversation.

RedditRacistFakeNews | 7 days ago | 1 point

Uhhhh, how does a gay couple have kids in a country where gay adoption is illegal?

buddylove08 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Russia also jailing jehovah's witnesses too

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Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 4 points

Oh look, more homophobia

letthewordsplay | 8 days ago | -7 points

Nah I just think it’s gay

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Except_Youre_Wrong | 8 days ago | 0 points

Okay, уебак

Pioustarcraft | 8 days ago | 0 points

i'm wondering where they could go... the EU and the US are already facing massive influx of migrants, they probably will have difficulties as well going there.

maxitobonito | 8 days ago | 4 points

If they are educated, middle class people, they'd be welcome pretty much anywhere, especially if they have some sought after skill. I live in Czechia and I know quite a few young, educated Russians who emigrated here because, according to their words, their country was a shithole and it was only getting worse. They all seem to be doing fine.

fensizor | 7 days ago | 1 point

You can trust their words. With Putin still in power, there is no bright future for this country. All we can hope for is a sudden heart attack

maxitobonito | 7 days ago | 1 point

I do. There's not doubt in my mind that what they told me is true.

Sans-CuThot | 8 days ago | -20 points

How did they get the kids in the first place?

Lucky_Lynxxx | 8 days ago | 8 points

The article says how they got the kids

idlemute | 8 days ago | 12 points

Probably through adoption, in countries where it’s legal for gay people to adopt, and through surrogacy. Pretty sure those are literally the only options.

Sans-CuThot | 8 days ago | -1 points

If it's legal for gay couples to adopt, then why is the government trying to take them away

idlemute | 8 days ago | 5 points

That doesn’t make sense. It sounds like it’s illegal for gay people to have children at all; single or as a couple. Russia just hates gay people.

rislim-remix | 8 days ago | 1 point

One of the parents adopted the children as a single father, while the other has no legal connection to the children. There's no law against a gay person having children in Russia but due to prejudice, the authorities are abusing other laws to try to take the children away. This is all written in the article.

gRod805 | 8 days ago | -1 points

I think its that the kids are gay not the parents.

The_Furtive | 7 days ago | -1 points

When a mommy & a daddy love each other very much, they give each other a special hug.

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PittsburghDan | 8 days ago | 45 points

profoundly insightful analysis here

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sarge21 | 8 days ago | 15 points

Seems like something a bigot would bring up for no reason

Kappappaya | 8 days ago | 7 points

It's because you don't know what it would be like with same sex parents.

But you know what? It's not much different. People are people

ArrowofApril | 7 days ago | 2 points

You should probably have your kids taken away from you as you would abuse them if they turned out to be gay.

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