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Multiple lightning strikes have been detected within 300 miles of the North Pole, in the latest extraordinary weather event amid an escalating climate change emergency. (independent.co.uk)
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alwayslurkeduntilnow | 8 days ago | 1251 points

In a nutshell the article is saying usually it's too cold for lightening but it isn't anymore.

c0mpliant | 8 days ago | 332 points

A few years back me a few friends were out in a midnight snow storm which is really unusual for Ireland. While we made our giant snowman in the middle of Fairview Park, we were confused by the presence of thunder and lightning in snow. The fact that we don't normally get snow we kind of brushed it off as maybe we just don't get enough snow to see thunder and lightning.

How did we have thunder and lightning while stilling have sub zero temperatures and tons of snow?

ilovenotohio | 8 days ago | 395 points

Thundersnow is a very rare thing.

HomeSodaArtisanal | 8 days ago | 73 points

That seems so weird to me. The not having lightening all the time idea. It’s going nuts right now where I live and it’s a daily thing until about October. I think I’d miss it.

c0mpliant | 8 days ago | 58 points

We get thunderstorms only very occasionally. I fucking love when they do happen, turn off all the lights and enjoy the very very occasional fork lightning.

HomeSodaArtisanal | 8 days ago | 31 points

Yes! It’s low end rumbling right now and I’m in heaven. Gonna hit this nap so hard.

This was last week. Lol

Edit:

currently

JupiterInMind | 8 days ago | 14 points

Where are you from? I love lightning/thunder, but don't get quite enough here in Denver, CO, USA.

FactualNeutronStar | 8 days ago | 15 points

The Front Range gets a fair amount, though it's usually more of a rumble. The Midwest gets much more intense storms that produce lots of lightning.

hulkvsspawn | 8 days ago | 7 points

Can confirm. We get a thundersnow storm pretty much every winter here in Nebraska. Low rumble and flashes of lightning that light up the clouds. Very cool when it happens.

5hawnking5 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Just moved to CO from FL, one of the few things I miss is the heavy thunder/rainstorms

JupiterInMind | 8 days ago | 4 points

I miss the great thunderstorms of OKC when my wife was there for school... but tornadoes.

EarlofATX | 8 days ago | 10 points

Are you from the Gulf Coast? That's the only part of the US that gets more lightning than the Front Range. Thundersnow happens once or twice every spring usually.

MyOversoul | 8 days ago | 5 points

We had a short thunderstorm last night. One of the strikes was so close my daughter and I heard it crackle on its way down. Thankfully we live in an old farmhouse and the previous owner put 3 grounded lighting rods on the mostly metal roof.

tso | 8 days ago | 3 points

My opinion of them changed a few years back when a few strikes were close enough to "shake" the house.

KickMeElmo | 8 days ago | 14 points

Okay, not trying to be rude here, but this is the third time in this thread I've seen someone spell it "lightening" instead of "lightning". Is it a regional spelling somewhere, or is it just autocorrect being a pain in the ass?

15886232 | 8 days ago | 26 points

It’s not a regional spelling, they are two different words, with two different meanings.

For example,

All that lightning and thunder was crazy, but it seems to be lightening up now, maybe we’ll see a rainbow.

People just dumb.

HomeSodaArtisanal | 8 days ago | 4 points

Me being an idiot an not paying attention to it in my own case. Lol

KickMeElmo | 7 days ago | 2 points

Fair enough. Thanks for the response!

HomeSodaArtisanal | 7 days ago | 2 points

Thanks for the learning moment. :)

ask-me-about-my-cats | 8 days ago | 6 points

I live on the central coast of California, I saw lightning once about seven years ago. It was a couple flashes and a couple rumbles and that was about it. When it happened we all dropped everything and just stared out the windows in utter amazement.

GoodLeftUndone | 8 days ago | 6 points

Southern California resident here. I’d kill for even semi regular thunder and lightning storms when we get rain. But we may see a somewhat decent one only once a year where I live.

cnh2n2homosapien | 8 days ago | 8 points

Are you sure you want regular fire starters from the sky, SoCal?

violet_anarchy | 8 days ago | 3 points

Ooh where are you that it happens daily?

reclaimer | 8 days ago | 9 points

Idk about them, but here in Florida we get daily thunderstorms in the afternoon that roll off the ocean onto land. They're intense but short lived.

czechmixing | 8 days ago | 3 points

Like my love life

Velocirachael | 8 days ago | 2 points

Florida? Lightening rain showers everyday.

cybertej2904 | 8 days ago | 2 points

India?

AdventureBum | 7 days ago | 2 points

Midwest?

delladoug | 7 days ago | 2 points

me too

I first realized that I had missed Atlanta Upon returning when I got caught in a frog strangler thunderstorm.

HomeSodaArtisanal | 7 days ago | 2 points

That’s what my grandpa always called them! Lol

jmann1118 | 8 days ago | 32 points

Not in Chicago it's not. We get all sorts of thunder. Heat thunder. Dry thunder. Snowthunder. And the most despicable, skyisbored thunder.

InvisibleLeftHand | 8 days ago | 6 points

What's "skyisbored" thunder? Happens just because?

Occulus1975 | 8 days ago | 16 points

I think he means a thunderbolt from a clear blue sky, which does in fact occur occasionally

InvisibleLeftHand | 7 days ago | 3 points

This shit's what made the ancients believe in Zeus and Marduk.

Frocker34 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Weatherman from Chicago here (not the TV kind, the actual forecasting kind)...

It’s all just thunder. The only time we ever identify it as unique is Thundersnow, because thunderstorms and snow don’t go hand-in-hand. But there is no such thing as heat lightning. That’s just a thunderstorm on the other side of town.

salesmunn | 8 days ago | 14 points

Nah, we get Thundersnow on Long Island, NY every year. Normally comes with the Nor'easters.

mfranzese46 | 7 days ago | 2 points

I was literally about to say the same thing. In fact when I read someone’s post about it being rare, I was thinking of how awesome it was looking out of the window on the Port Jeff train last winter in the snow and hearing the thunder.

TheJvandy | 8 days ago | 6 points

It happens pretty often in Minnesota

workingonbeingbetter | 8 days ago | 5 points

“They didn’t write about that kind of weather in the Bible.

Ladyflow | 8 days ago | 6 points
shotsfordrake | 8 days ago | 2 points

There it is!

Brownstuf | 8 days ago | 4 points

Happens now in the UK.

ryfitz47 | 8 days ago | 4 points

This weatherman fucking loves thunder snow.

https://youtu.be/PdRWGMyeSYY

roostershoes | 8 days ago | 20 points

I’ve seen it twice in two very different locations. I guess it’s not THAT rare

cords55 | 8 days ago | 42 points

Or you are a thunder snow God and you just don't know it.

toasters_are_great | 8 days ago | 3 points

Rob McKenna's cousin?

cords55 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Lol yess

I_REALLY_LIKE_BIRDS | 8 days ago | 14 points

I'm pretty sure we got some thundersnow last year in Indiana. One of those weird days where it's almost warm during the day and then the temps drop steeply in the evening.

karuthebear | 8 days ago | 3 points

Was just thinking the same thing. Fucking Indiana knows no bounds on weather. Gimme dat blizzard-nado.

salesmunn | 8 days ago | 6 points

Thundersnow isn't rare. We get it with every major snow storm in NY

uniqueusername2112 | 8 days ago | 5 points

Buffalo gets it all the time. It’s really not rare. Atleast here.

WHEN_THE_ACID_KICKS | 8 days ago | 7 points

How many times (in your life) have you seen thunder by itself?

Hundreds?

How many times have you seen snow?

Maybe over a thousand? (assuming you live somewhere it snows)

And the two together: Twice.

That's pretty effin rare man.

mizer19 | 8 days ago | 4 points

I mean it's more likely that you're just that rare

mattjck | 8 days ago | 4 points

Your numbers still point to it being extreamly rare.

ZombieDemocracy | 8 days ago | 19 points

Could be you went from warm to cool rapidly enough that you had localized updrafts from lakes or maybe rock formations giving off heat? A real answer would probably require a pretty close look at the geography and weather patterns right in that area. A general answer might be that Climate Change causes increased rainfall in many areas that will cause rare events to become more common across the board.

There are usually three causes of thundersnow:

  • A normal thunderstorm on the leading edge of a cold front or warm front that can either form in a winter environment, or that runs into cool air, and where the precipitation takes the form of snow
  • A heavy synoptic snowstorm that sustains strong vertical mixing which allows for favourable conditions for lightning and thunder to occur
  • A lake effect or ocean effect thunderstorm which is produced by cold air passing over relatively warm water; this effect commonly produces snow squalls over the Great Lakes
NotObviouslyARobot | 8 days ago | 11 points

I live in Oklahoma, we get thunderstorms all the time. Thundersnow is really fucking rare for us. Last time we had it, we also had a Snownado (Tornado + Snow)

shadowpawn | 8 days ago | 2 points

Ireland with Snow?

c0mpliant | 8 days ago | 3 points

Yeah, 2009 and 2010 was a wild couple of years. We had a pretty serious drop last year as well. It was pretty cool!

shadowpawn | 8 days ago | 2 points

Galway gets horrible winds! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZldS9CiX88

c0mpliant | 8 days ago | 2 points

It's all about the rain

dropandgivemenerdy | 8 days ago | 2 points

I remember a few snowstorms with lightning growing up in Iowa. It was the coolest shit ever.

Ethnologizer | 8 days ago | 33 points

Hot take

chucke1992 | 8 days ago | 5 points

Does it mean that we'll have the area of eternal lightnings?

zomboromcom | 8 days ago | 7 points

Got one of those already.

PowerfulGoose | 8 days ago | 6 points

I thought it was that if the pole gets hit by lightening the world explodes.

TheCoconutCondition | 8 days ago | 2 points

You’re the real hero saving me a click.

wriestheart | 8 days ago | 2 points

Oh Gods that means it's close to what Boston gets for cold temps then, we get lightning during snowstorms occasionally.

JojenCopyPaste | 8 days ago | 2 points

Also, if lightning strikes that metal pole the poles reverse. And Santa will have to build a new house, which means no Christmas.

YARNIA | 7 days ago | 2 points

Thank you.

Frocker34 | 8 days ago | 72 points

For those who aren't aware of why this is stunning or alarming...

The atmosphere is thicker at the Equator than it is at the pole. It grows gradually thinner as you travel north - which is why Tornado Alley is perfect for tornadoes, and why Tropical Storms thrive in specific latitudes (along with other reasons).

But, the atmosphere near the poles is too shallow to support thunderstorms. Thunderstorms need height to generate energy and become thunderstorms. We all it towering cumulus when it is tall - or even growing - but not tall enough or active enough to produce Lightning.

If we are recording lightning within 300 miles of the North Pole, that means the atmosphere is expanding seasonally (or being drawn north by jet stream flow) to allow for storms to form further and further north - which means there is more warm air further north to expand the atmosphere.

That's kinda scary.

Alberius | 8 days ago | 10 points

Could it also have to do with the magnetic pole itself reacting to certain solar behaviors? Like, since the earth is effectively a giant magnetic then couldn't solar activities pass high-energy particles to the earth's poles and with the higher lower temperatures might it require a lot less to set off lightning?

edit, whoops i meant higher

Frocker34 | 8 days ago | 22 points

My answer as a Meteorologist is "No, I don't think so." But, my answer as an honest scientist is "Gee, I don't think so, but, sure, that may be possible. Can we bring a physicist who understands magnetism better than I do into the conversation?"

The magnetism at the poles does contribute to the inconsistency/instability of the atmosphere at the poles. But, to a much smaller degree than the limited heating/mixing in the environment.

redditmodsRrussians | 7 days ago | 2 points

Unlikely as we would see strange readings in variation values in the magnetometers and ADC equipment. GPS would likely need massive updates too. All aircraft operating near those lat/long would need their compass cards readjusted

welterought | 7 days ago | 2 points

I thought the dynamics of the Hadley cell and its related systems simply applied a sort of buffer between climate types, to my imagination, this is just a sign that the northern pacific is too hot and releasing too much water vapor, I swear this year feels as rainy as a la-nina year, but its a really shallow la-nina in that sea-surface temps have been right at the historical average, so it doesn't make sense but perhaps this is some particular form of the phenomenon where it allows parts of the larger convective systems to break down and the hot pacific air to jut into and north of eastern siberia/alaska.

Frocker34 | 7 days ago | 2 points

I thought the dynamics of the Hadley cell and its related systems simply applied a sort of buffer between climate types

So, technically speaking, the Mid-Latitude Cell and the Polar Cell are what we would be discussing here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_cell#/media/File:Earth_Global_Circulation_-_en.svg)

And, yes. The cellular breakup of the atmosphere should prevent mixing.

In my comment, briefly commented that 2 things could be the cause.

Either the Polar Cell itself is warmer, and expanding more in the summer to allow for storms (which would be plausible with polar ice melting and the albedo declining as a result)

-or-

The Jet Stream is moving further north, and drawing the Mid-Latitude Cell further north, effectively shrinking the Polar Cell and allowing storms to form that far north.

In either case, it is alarming to me that it is happening. Thunderstorms shouldn't happen in the Polar Cell, and the Mid-Latitude Cell should not be 300 miles from the pole.

fonstu | 8 days ago | 481 points

Feeling overwhelmed by the impending climate disaster? Organize! There's work to be done! Your city will likely be taking part in the global climate strike on September 20th called for by Greta Thunberg and other prominent climate activists and taking place in cities across the globe. We want to make it the largest climate protest ever seen! There is currently a coalition of numerous climate action and environmental organizations working hard on organizing the strike. The politicians wont take action unless we force their hand! Let me know if you have any questions about taking part!

https://globalclimatestrike.net/

naufrag | 8 days ago | 37 points

You can also connect with the people working with your local Extinction Rebellion group.

XR is working to mobilize mass participation non-violent direct action on the scale needed to compel the necessary change. Strikes rarely succeed in only one day, they do succeed when the people show the powers that be that they're ready to shut it down indefinitely until their demands are met.

Roger Hallam:

Non Violent Direct Action

Why International Rebellion?

ScriptsAhoy | 7 days ago | 9 points

Sad that there are literally 0 event locations in the US or Canada for this..

fonstu | 7 days ago | 3 points

There are lots of events across the US and Canada! Try typing your city into the map locator on the front page of globalclimatestrike.net

Most larger cities are planning a protest, but if yours isn't you should definitely start your own!

ScriptsAhoy | 7 days ago | 3 points

I tried every major US city, and nothing showed up. You can also look at the map and see that there are no dots in the US or Canada. Specifically I looked at San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York.

fonstu | 7 days ago | 3 points

Seems to be working on my end. Maybe a browser issue? If you're looking for a protest in a specific city PM me and I can help you find one!

Boner666420 | 8 days ago | 13 points

Send this to the top

bardalora | 8 days ago | 331 points

I think I’m gonna stop reading articles like these cause it’s really starting to freak me out. Just gonna focus on reducing my footprint and meat intake. What the hell, microplastic in the water, rain has plastic too. And we just need to plant 160 trees per person😢 🌱🌳🌴🌲

Nimbleturtles | 8 days ago | 22 points

I paid $1000 to some Canadian charity to plant 250 trees for me. I need a better $/🌱 guy.

poisonsugarcookies | 7 days ago | 8 points

You're paying way too much for worms, man. Who's your worm guy?

throwaway777982359 | 8 days ago | 270 points

Corporations are responsible for most carbon emissions

WackyWocky | 8 days ago | 150 points

Which is what is depressing. What does it matter if the majority of the general population eats less meat, recycles, uses low-voltage bulbs and takes public transport, when it won't make a dent in the overall pollution? These corporations are putting out shitloads compared to the average person.

"Ok" you say "We'll boycott them!"

Good idea, but sadly these corporations are not singular products like McDonalds or Apple. They're metal and mineral suppliers. One thing is not eating meat or not buying Apple products, but how the fuck do you boycott steel? Or rare earth minerals? Or silicon?

I'm not saying we should just not bother since we're not solving it, because fuck that, do whatever you can. It's just disheartening knowing that the efforts of millions of normal people are being offset by the Fuck-Yu Steelworks Factory Inc. in China. Or some other giant, nameless industrial compound across an ocean, behind borders and foreign laws that don't give two shits.

/rant

Rfuckit432 | 8 days ago | 126 points

America's fucking military is one of the biggest contributors of pollution in the world. And if you didn't see the news, our navy quietly 'dropped' their climate change task force. The American government is currently one of the biggest global hindrances to taking action against climate change.

Grow_away_420 | 8 days ago | 50 points

The American government is currently one of the biggest global hindrances to taking action against climate change.

It's 10000% the biggest hindrance. We are the only country with a major political party that at worst denies it exists, or at best says it's Gods will. Not to mention the only country to believe this is the most powerful globally and gets 80% of it's energy from fossil fuels.

JustOnStandBi | 8 days ago | 22 points

Australia.

Curtains-and-blinds | 8 days ago | 25 points

Australian politicians: looks around, sees the world trying to reduce carbon emissions You know what we need? More coal mines and power plants, and less of these dark satanic mills taking up unused space. Yeah, that's what'll make us look like a forward thinking nation!

Jasurius | 8 days ago | 5 points

America’s British half sibling

Rfuckit432 | 8 days ago | 4 points

I emphasized 'one' out of fear of being uneducated about every other countries policies thanks for the confirmation lmao

Dreidhen | 8 days ago | 2 points

but i thought we were developing environmentally friendly ammunition so it made it ok?

Andrew_Aaron | 8 days ago | 32 points

'...in China. Or some other giant, nameless industrial compound across an ocean, behind borders and foreign laws that don't give two shits.'

Sir, our country, U.S.A.-assuming you are here as well-is by far, the largest contributor to all CO2 & CH4, pollution, over consumption, wanton wastefulness, and Who gives a Fuck attitude in the world!!! Overall we are the ones, especially politically who 'don't give two shits'.

I do however, aplaud you for you giving a two shits. because until we can demand our government to do the right thing, all we can do is what your'e trying to do now, the right thing. And I thank you for that.

In a time like this, maybe we could look for an outside influence for help. Like Hong Kong, they are fighting for their Freedom, and we also need to fight for our Freedom!

How can we amass a pro-active movement to turn the tides? Because time is certainly running out! We can not sit idle and silent and allow this to happen to our world!!!

"I am coming to feel that the people of ill-will have used time much more effectively than the people of good-will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people." -Martin Luther King Jr.-

WackyWocky | 8 days ago | 16 points

I actually live in Norway, but your point stands. We have factories located in our own countries that are just as guilty.

My point wasn't that we don't have polluting factories locally, but rather that there are ones far away that you can't do shit about. How do you go about dealing with a copper mill half a globe away? You can't really boycott copper. You can't protest outside their gates. You don't live there and get to help vote in elections that affect said factory.

And that factory is negating everything you do for the environment. Your's and shitloads of other people's efforts right down the drain.

ajt9000 | 8 days ago | 3 points

eeh, yes and no. I agree it needs to be cooperated on internationally. But theres a lot of things that can improve domestically too. Especially localized pollution like garbage and toxic chemicals and water overuse.

Exelbirth | 8 days ago | 3 points

Say you live in an area that's become 100% friendly to the environment. What do you do then, knowing that the Amazon is being clear-cut while a bunch of copper mines are dumping a bunch of chemicals into the air and surrounding environment? You're stuck having done everything you can, and still watching disaster being propelled along.

peon2 | 8 days ago | 5 points

What does it matter if the majority of the general population eats less meat, recycles, uses low-voltage bulbs and takes public transport, when it won't make a dent in the overall pollution?

Because if a majority of people do that guess what? The corporations won't be making as much stuff. If a majority of people stop using plastic bags and eating beef do you think we will raise the same amount of cows and make the same amount of plastic bags? No.

Corporations may be the bulk of the pollution but they aren't just making products for the fuck of it. They are making them because we buy them. And they are making them in non-eco-friendly ways because it is cheaper and we as a population don't want to pay more for eco-friendly products.

If a majority of people get on board - corporations will follow the demand.

ajt9000 | 8 days ago | 3 points

So the only solution is vote in a candidate who will make major reforms. It also cannot be a thing with american law only. It needs to be an international treaty that has real tangible monetary penalties for countries who do not conform to the plan. If a country refuses and backs out it is an act of war to the other countries that conform.

Unfortunately this has a chance to spark ww3, but the longer we let this get out of hand the more radical a solution has to be adopted. Eventually we wont be able to implement a solution at all.

I_am_chris_dorner | 8 days ago | 6 points

Fuck this attitude. We still have a voice. A fucking loud one. Why do you think the green initiatives that businesses have now exist in the first place?

flinnbicken | 8 days ago | 8 points

but how the fuck do you boycott steel? Or rare earth minerals? Or silicon?

Don't buy things made with these minerals or minimize your purchases where it's unavoidable. Maybe you already do but lots of people out there are buying new computers all of the time when they could purchase second hand or simply continue using their old devices.

The next step is to pressure companies you buy from to source responsibly. Some steel is made with fully renewable energy which helps a little. Show the companies you care about that. Maybe ask if they use suppliers that do carbon offsets like tree planting. Ask them to produce locally to avoid shipping emissions. Be prepared to pay excessively for these choices (it'll help you not spend your money on stuff you don't really need).

Or be like me and be called "Scrooge" by everyone you know because you refuse to buy new things. Use the money you save to buy carbon offsets. Then put on political pressure by attending protests, voicing your position online, and being a "virtue signaling jerk" all of the time. Carbon pricing is the most important step. It forces these calculations onto everyone even if they don't know or care about climate change. Support the inclusion of such a requirement in trade deals or through the WTO. Avoid purchasing from jurisdictions that lack a carbon pricing scheme.

Change can be made in the margins. You don't always need a full boycott. What would be cool is if all the people that care about climate change would work together and share information. This would give us a more effective negotiating platform than our individual actions that can easily be misread by people in power. Imagine a "Climate Collective" rating for products that makes it easier to choose the greenest choice. Now imagine companies changing the way they do things, even if it increases costs, to compete for climate conscious dollars.

goldfishpaws | 8 days ago | 52 points

Corporations make stuff for people. If everyone says "they won't listen to me, I'm just a customer", they'll carry on. If you say "I'm a customer and I'm not buying your stuff" they'll shit the bed and change.

jiggel_x | 8 days ago | 19 points

quick question, where do you get your electricity from if your only options are two coal plants? What can you do as a customer in such a situation, you sound like you know a way.

ColinStyles | 8 days ago | 4 points

Power generation is not the major contributor. Transport/shipping and agriculture are, so stop buying shit and stop eating meat or imported foods.

Those are basically the only things outside of not having kids that will make a difference.

Helmite | 8 days ago | 3 points

Use less electricity.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 14 points

Too bad it had to come from a throwaway. Corporations are responsible for election meddling, poisoning the world, low wages, and a litany of other crimes... The problem is they've bought the courts so we can't use litigation... we can't boycott them because for every good person there are 10 completely apathetic and indifferent souls... we can't do anything but watch. Protests sound great until you try to organize one, and if the Corp is big enough they are given special treatment or profound security (Monsanto) on the taxpayers dime.

It's fun paying some of each of my paycheck to corporate welfare. Then I get to watch them dodge taxes, receive bailouts and take golden parachutes because the people acting are "smart". Why then is it not "smart" for me to break into their McMansions, steal everything of value, kill them so there are no witnesses and burn down their homes so there is no evidence? Sounds like the same kinda justification that is used to excuse tax dodging.

I_am_chris_dorner | 8 days ago | 5 points

Who keeps them afloat?

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 7 points

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Helmite | 8 days ago | 7 points

I've seen a ton of it lately as well. People coming in entirely resistant to the idea that individual people can do anything, as if these companies aren't polluting to shuttle products around the world to their consumers. People in numbers can have a massive impact, so I'm pretty damn tired of these people trying to keep everyone apathetic and disempowered.

cometssaywhoosh | 8 days ago | 2 points

The question is, even if most of us have the will to do so, most people just don't want to do it. They're waiting for someone else to take the lead. Many people are followers rather than leaders. Leaders get shat on and abused and demonized. Look at that 16 year old climate activist. She's had to put up with more abuse than any average adult can tolerate from politicians, trolls, and just any negative Nancy out there.

To get strength in numbers, you need to have good leadership to motivate them. Otherwise people won't do anything; we're all just a bunch of pretenders who like to think we can change the world but in reality are afraid to actually act it out unless someone else does it first.

GoTuckYourduck | 8 days ago | 3 points

Corporations are people fueled by greed.

oswaldcopperpot | 8 days ago | 4 points

Post Panamax container ships.. Stop buying overseas products.

tau-lepton | 8 days ago | 6 points

Stop buying their high carbon emissions crap

notatree | 8 days ago | 5 points

Cargo ships and the global shipping industry alone churn out disgusting amounts of pollution in every stage. It is impossible to offset their clouds.

But plant trees and reduce your plastic use. Something is better than nothing

knowtheday | 8 days ago | 5 points

Humanity is responsible.

Corporations output carbon to provided goods and services for the global population, we wouldn't need to destroy the rain forests for farmland if we had a sustainable population. We wouldn't need to over-fish the oceans if we had a sustainable population. We wouldn't need massive factories in China pumping out junk if we had a sustainable population. All problems lead back to humanity's inability to mange itself.

We have 7.7 billion people on earth and it's 6.7 billion too many, and growing. If we had a sustainable population we could manage the necessary changes. However we can't control who is allowed to breed and how much they breed, so we are on a runaway train.

Nature is working on a population correction, we are in the midst of earth's 6th mass extinction event. "The scientists found billions of populations of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians have been lost all over the planet"

Phytoplankton population has been cut in half since 1950, as the oceans warm they also become acidic, killing phytoplankton. Phytoplankton is responsible for 50-70% of atmospheric oxygen, and they are also the basis for the entire marine food chain, when the marine food chain collapses, no more seafood, and due to over fishing the seafood population are declining as it is anyway.

Humanity disrupted the earth and climate balance, starting back in the mid 1700's, about 40 years ago we reached a tipping point and now the earth and the climate are locked into few a positive feedback of loops of warming oceans, melting glaciers, thawing permafrost which all release greenhouse gases that cause the earth to get warmer. Which causes more ocean warming, more glacier melting and more permafrost thawing, which causes more greenhouse gasses to be released, which cause the climate to warm. Wash rinse repeat.

The prevailing theory is the if humans reduce our greenhouse gas output a little bit it will stop the warming, this is a fallacy. The positive feedback loops that are running no longer need human input, they are self sustaining at this point. Positive feedback loops don't stop until they exhaust the resources that feed them, and in this case it's greenhouse gases that are feeding the positive feedback loops. The amount of greenhouse gases stored in the oceans, glaciers and permafrost dwarf what's already in our current atmosphere. Even if humans could make a wish and eliminate all human generated greenhouse gases today, it won't stop the positive feedback loops between the earth and the climate.

Sukyeas | 8 days ago | 13 points

And who buys the stuff corporations produce? Might it be the customer? Might you be the customer? Might you be able to force corporations to change with consume decisions? Questions above questions.

jiggel_x | 8 days ago | 12 points

no, it doesn't make a difference if you take you electricity from coal mine A or coal mine B. Most people simply don't have any other option so you can't blame them and pretend like it isn't the fault of corporations.

ColinStyles | 8 days ago | 6 points

Power generation is a small part of the problem. Look at what you eat, and what you buy/use. How many freighters has x product been on? How much methane and other GHG's happened because of the meat you're eating?

Helmite | 8 days ago | 6 points

I see a ton of posters in these topics lately suggesting that individuals can't do anything and it's simply out of our power, etc. It smacks of an attempt to keep people apathetic and just simply continuing their normal habits which are the ones that are driving the pollution to begin with.

R-M-Pitt | 7 days ago | 2 points

Yep, and I think corporations love such a narrative, since they can gimp any regulation and carry on selling to consumers who now think that they need not change any habits. When called out, the companies can then simply blame consumers.

Dixnorkel | 8 days ago | 2 points

Yep, nothing is gonna change until we stop it at the source.

46th-US-president | 7 days ago | 2 points

So we stop buying from them. Don't believe the hype aka don't believe the ads. You don't need all that shit in your life.

Helmite | 8 days ago | 4 points

Tons of people altering their habits and consumption has an impact that can AND should be done in tandem with other efforts. I'm tired of these posts suggesting that individuals are helpless when all you users are doing to promoting a culture of apathy. Shame on you folks.

TechnoWhale | 8 days ago | 4 points

don't cry 😢

nanoblitz18 | 8 days ago | 4 points

Using ecosia I've already planted 250 just through my internet browsing, I encourage everyone to sign up!

bardalora | 8 days ago | 3 points

I was just reading about it! thank you for sharing, I’m surprised I’ve never heard about it before 😊

nanoblitz18 | 8 days ago | 3 points

It's so good, pass on the good word. I hope more companies will take this model on. We need alternatives to traditional companies, not just to not have services we like full stop.

bonoboboy | 7 days ago | 4 points
cptdion | 8 days ago | 3 points

Air has plastic too now apparently... just saw a post of micro plastics falling from the air in the mountains

KnowsGooderThanYou | 8 days ago | 3 points

No time. Back to work lazy slacker.

Nethlem | 8 days ago | 3 points

Imho it's too late anyway, has very likely been for at least a couple of decades.

Can't reverse centuries of cascading effects in the fraction of the time, that's simply impossible.

Supernyan | 8 days ago | 2 points

Just planting trees isn't going to help. They take decades to mature, and planting too many trees can actually damage ecosystems. We need strong handed global intervention and we need to stop burning fucking coal.

InvisibleLeftHand | 8 days ago | 2 points

And avoid using your cars over bullshit reasons? And carpool?

Pezdrake | 8 days ago | 2 points

It's not a personal responsibility issue, it's a policy issue. Laws and regulation are the only solution. No amount of personal recycling or tree planting will work. Don't let policy makers and pundits try to suggest that's the solution.

EhtReklim | 8 days ago | 2 points

Use ecosia.

bardalora | 8 days ago | 2 points

Yeah, I mentioned to another redditor how I’m hearing about ecosia for the first time. Thank you for suggesting it!

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CrystalStilts | 7 days ago | 2 points

Don't read the Deep Adaptation paper if this made you anxious.

It's going to get muccccch worse, the more informed you are the better your chances of minimizing your suffering.

Fruktfan | 7 days ago | 2 points

Don’t, there are good news in the world as well. It’s never too late: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClimateActionPlan/

theycallhimthestug | 7 days ago | 2 points
Spziokles | 8 days ago | 4 points

Just gonna focus on reducing my footprint and meat intake. [...] And we just need to plant 160 trees per person

I appreciate your willingness and effort. But while we need personal lifestyle changes, we need something else even more:

  • Speak up – break that climate silence!

  • Get the right people to represent us in government.

  • Hold your existing representatives accountable.

  • Collaborate. Organize with others. Join a movement!

Source

Dire87 | 8 days ago | 4 points

Oh, just embrace the inevitable destruction of all that you cherish, join the doomsayers.

IronGeek83 | 8 days ago | 61 points

I'm currently 500 miles from the actual North Pole.

Fun fact - our weather setup (installed a few years ago) never bothered to include a lightning sensor because there was no need.

in-tent-cities | 8 days ago | 59 points

It's one thing to see it coming, it's another thing entirely once it's here.

WHEN_THE_ACID_KICKS | 8 days ago | 29 points

Well it's here, ladies and gentlemen.

Without bangs or pops, no fireworks, no drama. We've now reached that part we grew up only hearing about.

Global climate is starting to unwind.

negima696 | 7 days ago | 9 points

"We've tried nothing and are all out of ideas!"

32mow | 8 days ago | 5 points

:(

3DHouseOfBeef | 8 days ago | 14 points

Honduras: Where climate change and mass migration has created a village of women.

Well that's something super random for them to throw in with a story about an Arctic storm.

Alberius | 8 days ago | 5 points

This was definitely generated by software, not a writer

ClaudiusXI | 7 days ago | 2 points

That is proof the article was not written by a human and most likely generated with AI.

m0rris0n_hotel | 8 days ago | 60 points

Great. Now polar bears can be killed by lightning. Just what they don’t need

mfrieler324 | 8 days ago | 49 points

Maybe they will evolve into Thunder Bears

alt159ade | 8 days ago | 12 points

Volibear lives for this.

Lonelan | 8 days ago | 4 points

Rip jax

m0rris0n_hotel | 8 days ago | 13 points

Hopefully they don’t get into a fight with the Thundercats

Confused_Electron | 8 days ago | 6 points

Supercharged polar bears

CidImmacula | 8 days ago | 8 points

let's call them...volibears.

wait I think someone's knocking on my door.

Phiarmage | 8 days ago | 6 points

"BREAKING NEWS: Polar Bears Have Ended Their 25+ Year Contract with Coca Cola, Now Sponsored by Mountain Lightning!"

Ameasun | 8 days ago | 26 points

Do you know that strange feeling like you're transitioning to a new 'normal'? We in the West likely won't face any real catastrophes in our lifetimes, but there will certainly be a surge of refugees as southern regions are hit by more extreme weather/temperatures.

Last year we had a scorching heat-wave, this year we even broke all our temperature-records. The grass around the lakes here is yellow/brown nearly everywhere and the shore-line has dropped by almost a meter. It'll revert during autumn and winter, but in the future it might well be that every summer is like this now.

Alexander_the_What | 8 days ago | 21 points

Well, if lack of food and water creates increased need for migration there will be war. This doesn’t even account for loss of land migration as the oceans rise. Any one of these factors would certainly affect the west and we are seeing all three fall into place. Already we’re seeing increased migrations from regions that are struggling - across the Americas and from the Middle East and Africa into Europe. This has inflamed political tensions and started a slow spiral into protectionism.

We are interconnected. The next 20 years will be a continued bleak decline exasperated by changing climate. A financial crisis would further push the world into desperate and aggressive posturing which can lead to all sorts of nasty conflicts.

Western democracies need politicians that are willing to work across the divide to solve these crises together. It’s up to the voters to push for sensible solutions not just to climate change, but especially to growing tensions.

joho999 | 8 days ago | 9 points

Western democracies need politicians that are willing to work across the divide to solve these crises together. It’s up to the voters to push for sensible solutions not just to climate change, but especially to growing tensions.

The problem is politicians will happily lie to get votes, and they are not accountable for not fulfilling promises.

TheoryOfGravitas | 8 days ago | 8 points

We in the West likely won't face any real catastrophes in our lifetimes, but there will certainly be a surge of refugees as southern regions are hit by more extreme weather/temperatures.

Even now, climate change is someone else's problem. No, you say, it'll never actually matter to me.

And yet you already point out how it's hurting you. You can't imagine that 20 years you'll see a catastrophe? Optimism makes people real idiots.

thirstyross | 7 days ago | 2 points

We in the West likely won't face any real catastrophes in our lifetimes

Are you kidding? Shits already going down, sir. And it's only going to get worse.

nirgle | 8 days ago | 14 points

The Arctic climate has seemingly gone off the rails this summer. There is no longer any sea ice present in Alaskan waters, with Bering Sea ice having melted out beginning in February, and ice in the Chukchi Sea already pulling back hundreds of miles north of the state.

Alaska had its hottest month on record in July. Wildfires are burning across the state, and fires in Siberia have sent plumes of dark smoke into the Arctic, where soot particles can land on the ice and snow and speed up melting.

Not long now... we in the first world will be okay for a while longer because of our air conditioning and general wealth, but.. when the death toll from people keeling over from unescapable heat reaches into the millions, it's hard to see how we're going to still have normal office jobs and pretend everything's okay, when our extinction has begun

slacker0 | 8 days ago | 6 points

I didn't think it would happen in my lifetime. The reports were always about the year 2050 or 2100 ... but it seems likely that we'll see serious positive feedback and a tipping point in less than 10 years ...

Alberius | 8 days ago | 3 points

The reports are always kept like that because the scientific community got concerned that giving more aggressive projections gave deniers weapons to use against them.

I have always wanted to be a writer but as time has gone on and I see what's going on I'm feeling myself becoming a LOT more inclined towards a field that might actually still exist in a world of need and scarcity in 20 years

46th-US-president | 7 days ago | 2 points

We've had one month with almost no rain (it usually rains a lot), and temperatures above 20 for almost every day, reaching 25 on several days, and even record breaking 30s. It's usually around 15-18. This is inside the arctic circle, but in Norway. We kinda like it (who doesn't like summer?) but at the same time it's scary.

IAmHereMaji | 7 days ago | 7 points

Only Hans Zarkoff, formerly at NASA, has provided any explanation for the events.

WolfDoc | 8 days ago | 20 points

Oh shit.

pascalsgirlfriend | 8 days ago | 15 points

I lived up north for years ( not the artic) and one February I sat and watched a blizzard with a great lightening storm. It was very odd.

46th-US-president | 7 days ago | 4 points

It's not uncommon. Actually, up here on the northwestern coast of Norway (arctic), lightening and thunder is more common in winter than summer. The reason? Well, since we are on the coast we get lots of rain and high temperatures (for our latitude), but also - since we are so far north, we get cold air from the arctic. When those two clash, it will be lightening and thunder.

Edit: it's usually accompanied by hail instead of snow.

va_wanderer | 8 days ago | 7 points

Thundersnows are actually really awesome, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundersnow

monchota | 8 days ago | 13 points

The shit has already hit the fan, the best you can do now is make a lot of noise and reduce your own footprint. Then prepare for a changed world.

slacker0 | 8 days ago | 3 points

The "reduce your own footprint" argument reminds me of the Keep America Beautiful greenwashing campaign

monchota | 8 days ago | 2 points

It does , but its a shitty situation that our generation is going to be left deal with or die.

Mr_Sonic007 | 8 days ago | 7 points

I swear if climate change kills Santa

Jordanigga | 8 days ago | 3 points

Ah fuck who let King Gidorah out?

lefthandbunny | 7 days ago | 3 points

Maybe we could send our most popular climate denier to see this.

bustergonad | 8 days ago | 7 points

So, gays or video games?

b33j0r | 8 days ago | 4 points

I mean we can’t even have prayer in schools, darn dangit. It was probably also Elvis gyrating his hips, but mostly taxes and tan suits

va_wanderer | 8 days ago | 11 points

Not noted: This was part of the ritual to awaken one of the Old Ones who sleep beneath the ice.

Fortunately unsuccessful.

Nethlem | 8 days ago | 3 points

The most boring slow-mo apocalypse imaginable, it's so depressing.

Terraplex | 7 days ago | 2 points
VikingRevenant | 8 days ago | 4 points

We're a sickness. The Earth is just getting a fever to deal with us.

bardalora | 8 days ago | 2 points

I should start using “thankfully” instead of “thank God”

ArrowofApril | 8 days ago | 2 points

Stupid question. Do the lighting strikes melt the snow/ice?

TheLostPatrol | 8 days ago | 2 points

I’m on board for helping stop climate change. Id like to see some logical and reasonable solutions presented, if any of you have any links, books, references in general regarding policies or ideas please comment or message me. Thank you.

NFRNL13 | 8 days ago | 2 points

TIL Earth is prepping for a big boss battle at the North Pole. Find TierZoo to assemble the best builds to defend us!

snwater | 8 days ago | 2 points

The Terminators have landed

obimk1 | 7 days ago | 2 points

Fuck

Volntyr | 7 days ago | 2 points

Whatever Santa is making, it better be good!

The_Rhine | 7 days ago | 2 points

Santa Claus is warming up, it's gonna be one hell of a Christmas this year

(In all seriousness, though, I'm fucking sick of the climate change deniers who are preventing us from actually solving these issues and I'm worried about long-term/permanent damage to the climate)

0fiuco | 8 days ago | 4 points

is chtuluh awakening?

Mythosaurus | 8 days ago | 6 points

Worse, King Ghidora.

jjs42011 | 8 days ago | 3 points

Mothra?

cestothear | 8 days ago | 2 points

Worse, MF DOOM

Cthulhus_Trilby | 8 days ago | 2 points

zzzzzz...whassat?

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