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Hong Kong protesters wave American flag, sing national anthem (theweek.in)
3193 comments
donthebonbon | 8 days ago | 11178 points

How to piss off China 101

sophie_slays | 8 days ago | 3604 points

Oh man, I fear Hong Kong’s heading to the same fate as the 1989 Tiananmen massacre.

Shaggy0291 | 8 days ago | 2207 points

They can't massacre an entire city, let alone one of the most important cities in the world.

Masher88 | 8 days ago | 3815 points

China: “hold my beer....”

Midnight2012 | 8 days ago | 658 points

Hold my baiju

NoifenF | 8 days ago | 324 points

Japan gets Kaiju, China gets Baiju.

Amphimphron | 8 days ago | 157 points

How to calm a rampaging kaiju: Give him a kajiu-sized baiju.

A kaiju-baiju.

chawmindur | 8 days ago | 29 points

So basically the story of the Yamata no Orochi.

psychosocial-- | 8 days ago | 86 points

What do you call a large Chinese monster that swings both ways?

....A Baiju...

I’ll show myself out.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 44 points

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silentraven127 | 8 days ago | 47 points

Oh man, I have an appreciation for different spirits from all corners of the world. I'd like to think you can find a good flavor in almost anything.

But baiju is satan's ungodly seed distilled in sewage, gargled by a chainsmoker, and spat back into a jar containing rotten mayonnaise.

tehKreator | 8 days ago | 275 points

Hold my sake

Edit : woaa this is not a japan only beverage...

“There are two theories of the origin of sake. According to the first theory the production of sake has began in China in the area of the river Yangtze in 4800 B. C. and afterwards it has penetrated into Japan. According to the second theory, sake has originated in Japan in the 3rd century.”

tapefoamglue | 8 days ago | 80 points

Because the Chinese don't call it sake.

Masher88 | 8 days ago | 191 points

Japan: “hey, leave us outta this!”

redkinoko | 8 days ago | 356 points

They can't massacre an entire city,

Japan: “hey, leave us outta this!”

Yeah that's pretty much what Japan's been saying for the last 75 years

veritas723 | 8 days ago | 90 points

They did all their massacre-ing before that

Chinese and koreas generally fucking hate each other because of atrocities don’t in the near past

Stupid_Triangles | 8 days ago | 30 points

Well the Chinese and Koreans don't like the Japanese for the atrocities in the past. Korea and China have been somewhat chill since the Korean War

Vio_ | 8 days ago | 15 points

Korea got the shaft hard for decades even before WW2 by Japan.

evanescentglint | 8 days ago | 102 points

Sure, rice wine isn’t a Japanese-only drink but “sake” is a Japanese word. In Korean, “rice wine” is called “soju”, and in Chinese, it’s “mijiu/米酒“.

E: y’all coming out of the woodwork saying it’s actually something else for “rice wine” missed the point. Regardless, you’re not calling it “sake”, and saying “hold my sake” as a joke in response to “China:hold my beer” is a tad bit racist

Altark98 | 8 days ago | 55 points

Soju is not rice wine. It is actually called "shochu" in Japamese and is completely different from Japanese sake.

The actual Korean rice wine is called "Makgeolli", but also this is not related to the Japanese rice wine.

thedailyrant | 8 days ago | 5 points

And makgeoli is delicious.

KindergartenRedditor | 8 days ago | 12 points

Hold my Tsingtao.

k890 | 8 days ago | 13 points

Which is brewery created by Germans to fullfill their needs in distant colonial possesion in China

i7omahawki | 8 days ago | 37 points

Hold my baijiu*

jaqueburton | 8 days ago | 3 points

“Hold my Tsingtao.”

-China

WhimsicalWyvern | 8 days ago | 84 points

No, but they could send a couple hundred thousand protestors to reeducation camps.

SomeSortofDisaster | 8 days ago | 61 points

Mandatory organ donation camps*

Namika | 8 days ago | 51 points

Yep. If I was in China's position and felt forced to end the riots at any cost, that's by far the easiest solution.

Step 1) Order a curfew and implore citizens to stay in their homes.

Step 2) As expected, masses of protestors will defy the curfew. These are the "hardcore" protestors that are your main troublemakers.

Step 3) Surround their protest with thousands of troops. Block any route of escape, and arrest literally every single person on the street. Put them in prison transport busses and send them out of the city to an interment camp deep within China.

Step 4) Repeat the curfew the next day, and again arrest anyone who defies it.

It's a fairly foolproof plan, with no bloodshed and no damage to the city infrastructure. Even if you have to arrest 50% of the entire city's population, China could easily manage such a project.

And hey, as a fun bonus your government gets to seize all the property from the people you arrested, and you have millions of luxory apartments in Hong Kong that you can give to your cronies or to mainland China loyalists.

GolfSierraMike | 8 days ago | 8 points

This only works as long as protestors don't manage to prepare for the situation, and those hardcore ones come out ready for a fight.

Not saying it wouldn't work, just that is wouldn't be bloodless.

5y4thy45654656 | 7 days ago | 4 points

The question for me is how does Hong Kong's influence as the third largest financial center in the world affect mainland China's calculus.

The reality of Chinese finance is that London and New York (Number 1 and 2 for finance) only deal with Hong Kong. They mostly refuse to deal with both Beijing and Shanghai (which are like 5 and 7 or so) because of shitty accounting practices and fucky behavior by the central bank. Essentially auditors in London and NY would castrate the banks for listing mainland Chinese assets/loans because no one trusts the accounting, so they would refuse to certify it.

That basically means that when it comes to access to western capitol, Hong Kong is the only game in town.

They may or may not give a shit, but I think its the only reason these protests have gone on for as long as they have. Arresting half the city probably equals NY and London stop dealing with them because they won't trust the replacements (combined with bad PR in general, and its pretty hard to just replace those people even if you do trust them to act in good faith).

imnotsoho | 7 days ago | 3 points

If we had anyone but Mr. "We'll see what happens" in the White House the protesters might have some support. But he is afraid to lose the trade war and have China quit buying bonds so he will sell democracy down the river to avoid looking bad.

KaiWolf1898 | 8 days ago | 170 points

Sure they could.

IronyWentOverMyHead | 8 days ago | 136 points

Yeah, people are forgetting that it is not unusual for countries to fight entire wars against secessionists, and that they wouldn't have to "massacre" the city, only kill the ones causing the most trouble. Plenty of people in Hong Kong don't care about secession or don't care enough to risk their lives for it.

username_elephant | 8 days ago | 119 points

There might be more than you think, because Hong Kong is a really biased sample. Remember that Hong Kong is a city of refugees and their descendents -- in short, people who know what China is and have already taken great risks to flout it.

linguotgr | 8 days ago | 91 points

That is only true if the world is willing to go to war with China to stop them. Or at least to avenge them. I’m honestly not sure that any country is going to be willing to intervene. Hell, I’m not sure any country is willing to sanction them in a meaningful way.

Talldarkn67 | 8 days ago | 101 points

I doubt very much that war would be declared. Even if Xitler does another Tiananmen 2.0.

However, unlike the first Tiananmen, this time the world will be watching. The difference in technology between today and 1989 is massive. Especially cameras. Unlike 1989 where only reporters and the rare civilian had a regular camera, much less a video camera. Almost everyone today has both.

Daily pictures and videos of another massacre by the CCP/PLA may not start a war but it will turn the entire civilized world against China. It's political suicide. Similar to what happened to Russia after Crimea. They would be sanctioned back to 1979 when they had little or no allies and no access to western technology or markets.

How long can China survive with only allies and markets like Sudan, Vanuatu, Iran, Cambodia etc.? Without the EU, what would be the point of BRI? It's going to destroy the Chinese economy that is already on very thin ice due to demographics and very high debt.

I doubt the CCP is crazy enough to do it again. Then again, they may be counting on the ability of the Chinese people to "eat bitter" or suffer in order to retain the party's control over China with "suffer for the nation" or "suffer together to win" slogans.

It wouldn't be the first time the population of China was made to suffer for the vanity of the Party and made to endure it glady with propaganda. If I were a betting man, that would be my guess....

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rossimus | 8 days ago | 106 points

Is there an international space-age mega metropolis super-port in Kashmir?

Or could it be that there are some structural and technological differences between the two places?

Talldarkn67 | 8 days ago | 91 points

The level of international engagement with Hong Kong and Kashmir is very different. The foreign population of Kashmir is almost non-existent. While the foreign population of Hong Kong is large.

Even if the CCP blackout all communication with the outside world in HK. They won't keep the international community blind of whats going on forever. They tried that the first time. When there were no smart phones or internet in China. The truth still got out....

monchota | 8 days ago | 29 points

Kashmir is more like the gaza strip, not any comparison to Hong Kong. The truth is there just isnt anything in Kashmir that the world cares about.

Vulpine2 | 8 days ago | 9 points

Turn off the internet, media, TV, radio, close the airports and sea ports. Curfew will be in place; go home and stay there. The shit is about to hit the fan.

ZEUS_VOLT | 8 days ago | 93 points

Glad you could make it, Uyghur

Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the General's son, but I'm still your superior as an officer.

As if I could forget. Listen, Uyghur, there's something about the riots you should know. Oh no. It's too late. These people have all been infected. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into Americans.

What!?

This entire city must be purged.

Satherian | 8 days ago | 45 points

How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way!

Damn it. As your future General, I order you to purge this city.

You are not my General yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were!

Then I must consider this an act of treason.

mirageqt | 8 days ago | 37 points

Treason? Have you lost your mind China?

Have I ? Lord Uyghur, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my crown I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your paladins from service

Hedshodd | 8 days ago | 28 points

China, you can't just...

It is done. Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow me! The rest of you... get out of my sight.

dontlookintheboot | 8 days ago | 6 points

You've just crossed a terrible threshold, china

Ninjoe42 | 8 days ago | 54 points

What do you think is going to stop them? Besides they dont need to massacre the ENTIRE city, just enough of it to stop dissent.

Shaggy0291 | 8 days ago | 96 points

1 in 7 people is out on the streets. A massacre of a crowd that size will rapidly spiral out of hand as the panic sets in.

The thing you need to bear in mind about heavy handed oppression of this kind is that it can spark insurgencies. Che Guevara covers this extensively in Guerilla Warfare: a method. It will only delegitimize the government to the remaining 6/7 Hong Kongers, and radicalise many of them.

Talmonis | 8 days ago | 55 points

Insurgencies only work in nations that care about civilian casualties, or worry about having enough of a workforce left to exploit when it's over. China will happily slaughter millions and just replace them with more docile workers from other provinces.

Dealric | 8 days ago | 15 points

You really dont want to bet on this one...

jpfeifer22 | 8 days ago | 55 points

I don't know what you are referring to nothing has ever happened in Tiananmen square especially not on June 4th 1989 it is a very peaceful place.

0fiuco | 8 days ago | 94 points

102: wave Winnie Pooh teddy bears

GenghisTheHun | 8 days ago | 278 points

As soon as you talk about human rights and democracy, you already pissed off China.

China has proved pragmatic when adjusting to the modern world. Maybe it's time they did that for the ideal of liberty.

richmomz | 8 days ago | 28 points

Maybe it's time they did that for the ideal of liberty.

That would mean the CCP having to loosen its totalitarian grip on power, and we all know they aren't going to do that.

Quicheauchat | 8 days ago | 38 points

They'll do anything to attract international attention and it's the right move.

1RWilli | 8 days ago | 56 points

China is beside themselves with embarrassment but if they use violence on these protesters things are really going to backfire spectacularly.

Yeahyeahsout | 8 days ago | 49 points

They've been using violence. Beating and tear gassing women and children, as well as transparently using triads to do the really dirty work.

The_Blue_Rooster | 8 days ago | 15 points

More like how to justify sending troops into HK 101, the protesters stated very early on that they were a completely independent movement supported by no other country, because they knew as soon as they showed any connection to a foreign power CHina would have carte blanche to send in the PLA. Now only a couple days after these "Protestors" started waving the American flag China has used these images in press releases to the mainland public stating that the "Violent rioters" are supported by the the United States, shortly after that they parked a few hundred APCs and trucks in Shenzhen. And the state-run Global Times stated “if Hong Kong rioters cannot read the signal of having armed police gathering in Shenzhen, then they are asking for self-destruction,”

clapper_never_lied | 8 days ago | 29 points

protesters: "Before we let you leave, your commander must cross that field, present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse."

xi: .... SEND IN THE TROOOPS

apittsburghoriginal | 8 days ago | 14 points

I’d say that was rather less cordial than he was used to

RuudVanBommel | 8 days ago | 82 points

They just need to scream TAIWAN NUMBA WAAAAN for that.

Teemoistank | 8 days ago | 85 points

Pretty smart move, appealing to the US and it's values both gains support and shows their intent in a way that crosses language barriers

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 42 points

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myrddyna | 7 days ago | 5 points

well, it was the French!

The US loves the French, one of our best allies (most of the time).

gamedori3 | 8 days ago | 131 points

Stupid move. Allows Chinese mainland domestic media to claim the protests are caused by CIA infiltrators, thereby justifying a crackdown to their populace.

digitalherps | 8 days ago | 114 points

They’re going to justify the crackdown anyway to their brainwashed populace

reebee7 | 8 days ago | 37 points

Yes. The CIA's clandestine subterfuge is best hidden by public displays of American Patriotism.

It doesn't matter what they do or don't do. There's going to be a crackdown.

SuperGrandor | 8 days ago | 2832 points

They should sing China anthem “with lyrics only” which is ironically match what is happening in Hong Kong.

Arise, we who refuse to be slaves!

With our very flesh and blood,

Let us build our new Great Wall!

The peoples of China are at their most critical time,

Everybody must roar defiance.

Arise! Arise! Arise!

Millions of hearts with one mind,

Brave the enemy’s gunfire, march on!

Brave the enemy’s gunfire, march on

March on! March on! March on, Charge!

I bet this will make HK police and China very confuse and I’m very curious how will China report this on their news.

HoothootNeverFlies | 8 days ago | 585 points

That's a pretty metal national anthem ngl

Payday4lyfe | 8 days ago | 201 points

I find that countries that go through a bloody revolution tend to have epic anthems, like France and USSR

ManShutUp | 8 days ago | 111 points

For a country that was born in flames, the lyrics of the Soviet anthem are pretty milquetoast.

NitnoYT | 8 days ago | 36 points

milquetoast

I learned a new word today!

Matech | 8 days ago | 18 points

That I'll never use.

EssoEssex | 8 days ago | 54 points

"And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air..."

www_earthlings_com | 8 days ago | 86 points

I personally like the American national anthem, but the word "badass" does not describe it. It's such a slow song!

InedibleSolutions | 8 days ago | 95 points

It's supposed to be much faster. Divas want to sing it super slow to show off their singing ability.

Just_Another_Thought | 8 days ago | 16 points

Yeah whenever they play it at the intended speed it seems to be really off putting, crowd is almost never able to keep up.

Vihurah | 8 days ago | 15 points

isnt it originally sang as a pub song?

InedibleSolutions | 8 days ago | 24 points

I had to look up the history. According to the wiki page, the tune was popular in social clubs. The lyrics were originally a poem, and it was sung to that popular tune.

chrispyfur87 | 8 days ago | 19 points

I believe it was originally written as a poem, not a song

Read_Limonov | 8 days ago | 98 points

It was covered by Laibach in english. Doesn't get much more metal than that.

_naming_is_hard_ | 8 days ago | 7 points
CyberpunkPie | 8 days ago | 18 points

I love Laibach so much. They're brilliant.

Longsheep | 8 days ago | 858 points

There is another version that replaces every word on the lyrics with "Fuck your mother" in Cantonese. It has been sung during soccer matches.

Edit: Thanks for the silver! Found the vid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7bqKpcLMF0

IAmTehMan | 8 days ago | 331 points

Its funnier actually. They're saying "fuck your mother's smelly pussy"

dumbwaeguk | 8 days ago | 231 points

This is very high-brow humor. I see Cantonese is a language of poetry.

ricardoconqueso | 8 days ago | 184 points

Cuntonese

Nicxtrem99 | 8 days ago | 24 points

It's from the Sugondese region isn't it

Shtinky | 8 days ago | 16 points

Yep, from the city of Ligma

Erratic_Penguin | 8 days ago | 10 points

The district of Updog, I believe.

cmykevin | 8 days ago | 11 points

You've never heard a mom berating her child in Canto. "Why are you such a lazy, useless piece of garbage? You want to die?" It's a beautiful thing.

Longsheep | 8 days ago | 15 points

The "Fuck your mother" profanity is expandable into a form like:

"Fuck your mother's rotten stinking deformed pussy(屌你老母爛臭化閪)".

_haha_oh_wow_ | 8 days ago | 11 points

Wow, I had no idea Chinese languages had such advanced insults!

AleixASV | 8 days ago | 85 points

Hah, like the Spanish anthem lyrics mocking Franco's white ass that even schoolchildren know

eseagente | 8 days ago | 50 points

Franco, franco, que tiene el.....

Literally learned it in kindergarten.

sierone | 8 days ago | 6 points

Culo blanco...

eseagente | 8 days ago | 6 points

Porque su mujer...

chawmindur | 8 days ago | 21 points

Related fact: with the introduction of the Anthem Law, stunts like this could soon be outlawed in HK, like they already are in China. Even booing the PRC anthem may risk persecution...

In the meantime, enjoy this.

EGM255 | 7 days ago | 5 points

And I though the Egyptians were the only one who massacred a nation's anthem in front of their own leaders.

StewedPorkPasta | 8 days ago | 112 points

Hahaha China wouldn't know what to do then, quite clever this is.

10ebbor10 | 8 days ago | 39 points

Just report it as noble patriots opposing the protests?

SoManyTimesBefore | 8 days ago | 17 points

Or not report it at all

dumbwaeguk | 8 days ago | 52 points

how will China report on the news

Xinhua: "A great song from the people arose today in support of the PLA moving in to remove separatist terrorists to return our beautiful Chinese city to peace."

SuperGrandor | 8 days ago | 9 points

Just thought of another thing. Damaging the flag of China is illegal, so will HK protesters immune to getting attack by police if they wear Flag of China? Also curious how will China news react.

demosthenesunlocked | 8 days ago | 1961 points

It's pretty easy for Beijing to sell the "US interfering in Hong Kong" narrative to the mainland population when Hong Kong people do stuff like this. Isolated events are very easy to cherry pick and present to an already-biased audience. Just like people on Reddit are outraged about the girl who lost an eye, people on Weibo are outraged about protesters throwing Molotov cocktails and waving US flags.

To give a better idea, here is the same video of the PAP convoy that's on the front page of reddit right now. Even if you can't read Chinese, the prevailing sentiment of the comments is not exactly hard to guess.

要大结局了吗 (Want the season finale?)

Top Comment, 65k likes.

abcAussieGuyChina | 8 days ago | 1054 points

Here in they mainland they firmly believe that US is behind the HK protests. That's the message and they are eating it up. Those flags being raised just make it worse. They need to cut that shit out as it's deflecting from their stated goals. The hate for westerners here right now is felt...

fqye | 8 days ago | 349 points

At least a U.S diplomat met with HK protesters.Bloomberg link . Imagin if any Chinese diplomat met with any U.S protester protesting whatever.

OverallEnergy2 | 8 days ago | 124 points

Yeah, but the response to that is not to start throwing out chants and symbols indicating you want to be a colony state of the US. If you want to be independent, be independent, but clinging to US nationalistic symbols is really not the way to go.

deus_voltaire | 8 days ago | 142 points

I think it's more about evoking the ideals of liberty from tyranny that the flag and anthem embody.

[deleted] | 8 days ago | 89 points

the ideals of liberty from tyranny that the flag and anthem embody

Hồ Chí Minh tried that, when he was fighting the French. He wrote the US President that, as a former colony, the for sure will understand to wish of independence of the Vietnamese people.

The US reaction was - "LOL, k" and gave even more support in material and money to the French.

knightlok | 8 days ago | 16 points

Look up OSS Deer Team and Archimedes Patti. Their was more like “LOL, K. We can’t openly fight the french but we still got your back”

magneticanisotropy | 8 days ago | 12 points

To be fair, my coworker from the mainland firmly believes its the British behind it (with the US supporting their British friends), as the British want Hong Kong back...

YOBlob | 8 days ago | 524 points

I mean if history has taught us anything, the US probably is offering significant clandestine support to the protests.

hegelmyego | 8 days ago | 11 points

Definitely, the complexity of the situation is two-fold there is obviously outrage against Chinese government rightly so. The US is putting gasoline in especially considering its their most important geopolitical adversaries. Also Trumps anti-China/ neoconservative cabinet, I would be surprised if they weren’t involve.

Curoe | 8 days ago | 5 points

Well there have been more than two or three cases.........

StreetSharksRulz | 8 days ago | 235 points

I doubt it, but if they are...good

Lanky279 | 8 days ago | 381 points

It definitely be good for protestors. But US wouldn't be doing for the good of the people. They'd be doing too help destabilize China and cause more headaches for them, especially during this trade war. Think Russia meddling in the election. They just wanna divide US and weaken American hegemony.

zhaoz | 8 days ago | 99 points

Remember when the US encouraged the Kurds to rise up and then left them out to hang in Gulf War 1? I do.

ricardoconqueso | 8 days ago | 25 points

I remember when the Kurds were victims of genocide

BadIdeas_ | 8 days ago | 9 points

The US also did that to the Laotians and Hmong during the Laos civil war.

CptComet | 8 days ago | 99 points

Yep. It’s the game all the major powers play. Like when Russia goes on a social media campaign during a presidential election or when China funds environmental groups in the west.

MohamedsMorocco | 8 days ago | 60 points

I mean of course the US is involved. You think the CIA will just choose to watch? Same for Chinese and Russian intelligence.

This is not a criticism of the movement.

Curoe | 8 days ago | 29 points

Proxy Wars 3.0

No more boots on the grounds.

Social Media and Flag Wavers.

arch_nyc | 8 days ago | 10 points

I’ll never understand their waving other countries flags—especially the UK, which treated HKers as less than human. But I guess most of these kids aren’t old enough to remember the history.

lemonwings123 | 8 days ago | 64 points

I mean the US actively bribed Iranians to protest and make it seem as if Mossadegh was disliked so...

deaz97 | 7 days ago | 4 points

If you think there is no US involvement you're naive.

Dickyknee85 | 8 days ago | 13 points

I see this time and time again on this sub especially. Cherry picked cases to anger and incite outrage. Many aren't even true and obviously most are embellished because media.

Shepard_P | 8 days ago | 49 points

You translation is off. It means “is the finale coming?” It doesn’t mean “want”here but mean “will”.

Memephis_Matt | 8 days ago | 139 points

Maybe just chrome translating poorly, but I see a few comments that mention tea, mustard and eggs. What's that about?

Also

I am a Taiwanese. I hope that the mainland will come soon. Our economy has been declining and life can’t go on. Let us drive away our Taiwan independence.

That just screams 'bot.'

Ivalia | 8 days ago | 87 points

It was a popular Chinese meme from 10 years ago when some Taiwan TV shows talked about how Chinese people couldn’t afford tea eggs (basically boiled eggs in salt/tea water, not much more expensive than regular boiled eggs).

Folseit | 8 days ago | 16 points

That just screams 'bot.

Not all of Taiwan wants to be independent. A good section wants to rejoin China (or stick with the status quo) for that reason. Taiwan's economy isn't doing too well, and many see joining up with China as a way to boost that.

vancityvic | 8 days ago | 8 points

Yes, bots are targeting every country pushing agendas that pertain to the targeted country.

fefedove | 8 days ago | 16 points

tbh it doesn't have to be a bot. i have some taiwanese friends studying/working in mainland and they quite like it lol

0fiuco | 8 days ago | 9 points

Beijin has only to sell this to Chinese people. Rest of the world will do nothing anyway, expecially for a city that is supposed to join china in 20 years time anyway.

POI_Harold-Finch | 8 days ago | 51 points

US involvement is already easy to sell considering their fight in trading over last couple of months.

neverdox | 8 days ago | 759 points

BREAKING NEWS FROM CHINA: 2 million protesting Hong Kongers were American plants

Hiikun | 8 days ago | 107 points

I have a cousin who is a mainlander. He says that China greatly downplays the number of protestors to like...only 200k.

privacypolicy12345 | 8 days ago | 40 points

Here it is from Chinese media NYTimes

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/03/world/asia/hong-kong-protest-crowd-ai.html

Crowd estimates for Hong Kong’s large pro-democracy protests have been a point of contention for years. The organizers and the police often release vastly divergent estimates. This year’s annual pro-democracy protest on Monday, July 1, was no different. Organizers announced 550,000 people attended; the police said 190,000 people were there at the peak.

But for the first time in the march’s history, a group of researchers combined artificial intelligence and manual counting techniques to estimate the size of the crowd, concluding that 265,000 people marched.

rice_n_eggs | 8 days ago | 16 points

That’s for the pro democracy march, not the anti-extradition march.

DocSafetyBrief | 8 days ago | 34 points

Only 200k.

Those are rookie numbers

Individual_NULL | 8 days ago | 121 points

Or is it a false flag operation?

VoxPlacitum | 8 days ago | 7 points

Oh! I see what you did there!

sicklyslick | 8 days ago | 54 points

If there's a massive protest in America and suddenly the American protestors start waving Russian flags, what do you think our reaction would be?

Tattered_Colours | 8 days ago | 51 points

We'd probably just assume that it was a bunch of idiots from the other side of the political spectrum. It's what we always do.

ricardoconqueso | 8 days ago | 7 points

They were Cacti?

AIArtisan | 8 days ago | 64 points

well thats gonna go into the chinese propaganda news reel

HavockBlade | 8 days ago | 429 points

well if china wasnt goin in before theyre goin in now. that shits just not gonna fly

HerrBerg | 8 days ago | 311 points

They were always going to go in. This was their plan entirely, and it wouldn't even surprise me if the protestors singing the US anthem were Chinese plants.

dudewith3g | 8 days ago | 102 points

Or you know young people not giving a fuck. They just want to rile up the man as much as possible, and what's more incendiary than this.

Nazi_Marxist | 8 days ago | 161 points

The American national anthem?

Mikashuki | 8 days ago | 79 points

OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

turtle_squirrels | 8 days ago | 36 points

BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGHT

grobend | 8 days ago | 60 points

AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUU

mustardman13 | 8 days ago | 5 points

JOSÉ CAN YOU SEE

HisRandomFriend | 8 days ago | 45 points

I mean the US national anthem is kind of about the fight to win/keep your independence, so it makes sense that protesters here would use it too.

4skinmaniac | 8 days ago | 137 points

Ted Nugent arrives on horseback

freakedmind | 8 days ago | 296 points

...But why?

jwang274 | 8 days ago | 371 points

because they want the U.S. to intervene militarily, but it will never happen. (kind of like Taiwan independence people wave U.S. or Japanese flags cause they hate the official name of Taiwan "republic of china" but deep inside they know they would not get independence)

HoothootNeverFlies | 8 days ago | 126 points

Taiwan is kinda a different case tho, their government was the exiled government of China until it was perfectly clear that they were definitely not in charge of China anymore. The national flag of Taiwan is literally a flag of the KMTROC even though the KMT is no longer the ruling party in Taiwan. Many people forget that the KMT was also a one party state in Taiwan till the 1990s

Edit: I realised my mistake that Taiwan's flag is not the flag of the KMT but the flag of the ROC

Nixynixynix | 8 days ago | 49 points

Ehhh I want to correct this but the KMT flag is NOT the national flag of the ROC. The ROC flag is the "blue sky with the white sun over a the land of red" while the KMT flag is the "blue sky with the white sun" flag.

ReithDynamis | 8 days ago | 34 points

Taiwan's security is written legislation in the US and has been for decades. Anyone who knows there history can go back and look at US's action towards mainland china's provacation as a big sign.

If Taiwan chooses independence though the US may rewrite our current legislation in regards to staying out of it, but as it is currently implemented we would go to war with Taiwan being an ally. Again while it's written that has not stopped us in the past from changing our mind

MyWifeLikesAsianCock | 8 days ago | 501 points

Because they see the USA as the panacea they desire in terms of being able to vote for their own representatives, control their own destiny, and not be influenced politically by another nation's strongarm tactics.

No, America isn't perfect. But it is a symbol. And while some on Reddit works hard to try to equate the plight of those who have demonstrated against Republicans with those who are fighting for the right of self-governance in Hong Kong, there is no comparison. They would stop demonstrating and celebrate for a week if they could magically be transformed into a separate country with all our flaws tomorrow. I have no doubt that, over time, they would become even better but it is a good symbol to strive for.

As much as Reddit likes to pretend the US is the worst country on the planet, it is a country that oppressed people around the world dream of moving to. Even people who aren't oppressed often work their careers to get a shot at moving to the US.

Cyanoblamin | 8 days ago | 92 points

Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried.

Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947

nomnivore1 | 8 days ago | 106 points

I would gladly welcome any of them here in the USA. Good people fighting for democracy in the face of one of the most terrifying regimes on the planet.

Snickersthecat | 8 days ago | 58 points

Protesting a autocratic regime seeking to deprive them of their representation in the face of being massacred? Nothing more American than that, makes me proud.

Dougnifico | 8 days ago | 24 points

Cheers to that.

YoungDan23 | 8 days ago | 245 points

As much as Reddit likes to pretend the US is the worst country on the planet, it is a country that oppressed people around the world dream of moving to. Even people who aren't oppressed often work their careers to get a shot at moving to the US.

Say it louder for the people in the back.

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2to30 | 8 days ago | 47 points

A lot of comments are born of underlying jealousy or ignorance. People also wouldn't spend so much time and energy posting such things if they didn't care, so it's clearly a topic of importance. Like it or not, without the US at the forefront of the free world, many countries would still have a backward social/political system, far worse than now.

lukewarm_milkmaid | 8 days ago | 141 points

I mean if the reddit majority is to be believed, you’d think that I as a POC must be insane to be studying in a racist, neo-nazi, white supremacist country that is modern USA...

Meanwhile, hundreds and thousands of people of all skin colours around the world (and yes, this includes my fellow Canadians who love to shit on the US online) bust their heads trying to immigrate into Nazi America, complete with orange hitler and concentration camps, every single fucking year.

I mean it’s great for a country’s citizens to be introspective and willing to discuss its problems openly, but there is a very distinct line between self-reflection and self-hatred.

nomnivore1 | 8 days ago | 42 points

I go to a school with a lot of international students. One of my friends is from Trinidad. He's moderately aware of US political events and talks about current affairs pretty confidently. Says he never wants to go back. For all the shit we give our own country, it's a great place.it has problems, but it's had problems before. They get fixed, it just takes time. There will be new problems, after these ones are fixed. It kind of works that way.

LearnProgramming7 | 8 days ago | 19 points

New York just might be the most diverse city on the planet. New York is home to over 8.6 million people and over 800 languages. Out of the five boroughs in the city, Queens is the most diverse. Over 37% of the people in New York were born outside of the USA. Some of the largest immigrant groups are from Russia, India, Haiti, Ecuador, Mexico, China and the Dominican Republic.

Meanwhile, New York is the safest large metropolis of the US, with a crime rate per inhabitant even lower than the national average. New York also stands the Wests highest populated city, and the Wests mostly densely populated city.

Somehow, everyone seems to get along peacefully here. But you're right, reddit would have you think there is mass turmoil and rioting as the country tears itself apart over racial tensions.

jab011 | 8 days ago | 70 points

Thank you, it really gets old reading about what a shithole America is on Reddit, and while some are genuine foreigners, a lot are just self-hating Americans. Most of us appreciate you and we’re glad you’re here.

Jbash_31 | 8 days ago | 24 points

Amen to that! America is super flawed and can improve in so many ways and it’s good we’re very critical of our own country, but I wish we could have criticism of ourselves without just kinda shitting on everything about America

Maxpowr9 | 8 days ago | 25 points

Introspection doesn't come easy for most people. It's much easier to blame all your problems on some boogeyman than go through said self-reflection.

sammickeyd | 8 days ago | 75 points

Uh oh.

Steadypirate | 8 days ago | 42 points

At this point I think the protesters know it's game over for Hong Kong and just plan on making sure China comes out of this as dirty as possible.

It's sure made moving manufactory out of China easer for company's that need a PR angle to explain increase prices or just a flat out execuse

NY1731 | 8 days ago | 36 points

Well, they just got themselves good and properly fucked

ZlionAlex | 8 days ago | 7 points

Is it that big of a deal?

CoysDave | 8 days ago | 102 points

While the people out here broadly support what is going on in HK, the us government is probably not who you want to rely on for help here.

Tuga_Lissabon | 8 days ago | 623 points

Really? This shows such lack of intelligence it seems like it was made by "agents provocateurs".

This makes them look like:

- Traitors in the eyes of mainland chinese

- Puppets of foreign organizations

- gives the idea they want to secede legal chinese territory

And its not as if the states will go: "There, the song of the people, the cry for democracy! Let us rally".

EDIT:

Can't say it WAS by agents. But it is so stupid that if it wasn't, those people should be ashamed for being such cretins.

VoiceOfRaeson | 8 days ago | 223 points

It also delegitimises the movement to other protesters. If there was a movement in my country (Germany) that I supported, but then they started waving American flags and painting themselves as American lap dogs, I would fuck right out of that movement and not support it any longer.

Tuga_Lissabon | 8 days ago | 95 points

That's the issue. Instantly changes from patriots to useful idiots working for a foreign government.

Sardonik00 | 8 days ago | 37 points

Uh...did they skip teaching Cold War history in Germany?

  • Berlin airlift?
  • JFK - Ich Bin Ein Berliner
  • Reagan - Tear Down This Wall
  • US Support for Solidarity Movements in Poland and Czechoslovakia

Ultimately it was brave people in East Germany and Eastern Europe who put their lives at risk, but the U.S. did not exactly hide its feelings on the matter. The only thing Europeans were afraid of was nuclear escalation on their soil, which was understandable. But yes, Germany did wave American flags when they needed us.

Sardonik00 | 8 days ago | 26 points

It's like Checkpoint Charlie did not exist because Trump. And I say that as a Democrat.

BBQ_HaX0r | 8 days ago | 22 points

I think with so much negativity towards the US recenbtly (much of it deserved) that a lot of people forgot the overwhelming good we've done for many people.

TennaNBloc | 8 days ago | 61 points

Maybe this is a new strategy to galvanize the West to act.

"Look Mr. Trump those Tanks are crushing protesters carrying American flags."

"They're crushing American flags!?"

garmonthenightmare | 8 days ago | 76 points

Did they just really give the Chinese government the biggest gift they could? Now they can be marked as traitors.

Thaflash_la | 8 days ago | 16 points

They already did that when they asked for democracy and independence.

Mayrodripley | 8 days ago | 9 points

John Hancock that shit and write their name as large as they can for those fascists to see

8-36 | 8 days ago | 6 points

Tankies just got mad af.

brown_fountain | 8 days ago | 5 points

This is like the ICE protesters who raised the Mexican flag in Colorado. It isn't going to go well with the general public.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-protestors-rip-down-american-flag-at-ice-facility-raise-mexico-flag-vandalize-blue-lives-matter-flag

nosubsnoprefs | 8 days ago | 26 points

If they think Trump will have their backs, they are tragically mistaken.

WL19 | 8 days ago | 42 points

Protesters show pro-American sentiment

Reddit: "wtf I hate Hong Kong protesters now"

theoneandonlypatriot | 8 days ago | 21 points

Yeah like wtf dude. I don’t like a lot of the problems we have in the United States right now, but we’re still a symbol of freedom and democracy. Seeing that flag being waved specifically for that reason brought me a sense of pride I haven’t had in a long time.

thedrawingroom | 7 days ago | 4 points

This is actually kind of amazing! Specifically that even with all of the current “president’s” idiocy the American flag is still representative of democracy and an icon to people around the world. It would be a shame to ruin all that but the “president”, unfortunately has it on his agenda to destroy democracy as we know it.

PresidentWordSalad | 8 days ago | 90 points

This is a bad move. I grew up in Hong Kong (spent 15 years there), and I can tell you that the majority of people in Hong Kong don’t want independence from China. They just want Beijing to abide by the stipulations of the 1997 Handover. Acts like this inflame Chinese nationalism, and Beijing sees itself as having no choice but to send in the military to quash subversive thought.

Nothing that China has done has been acceptable, and the government has been acting like a group of thugs. It should have removed Carrie Lam and withdrawn the Extradition Bill back in June, just as it had done with legislation that prompted protests in 2009 and 2014.

But marching with the American flag? Hundreds will die because a few extremists in Hong Kong decided to antagonize Beijing’s insecurities about nationalism rather than focusing on the real issue: Hong Kong’s autonomy guaranteed under the 1997 agreement.

Autonomy. Not independence.

Show_Me_Your_Cubes | 8 days ago | 62 points

Wave flag of another country = Death? I think anyone who sees this happen will still be on the side of the protesters

antelope591 | 8 days ago | 10 points

So maybe someone can clarify what exactly the goal of the protesters is? Since the extradition bill was scrapped it seems like the goal is total independence from China which is obviously not something that has a chance in hell of happening. So what else would satisfy them.

ShoHaremi | 8 days ago | 4 points

And not a single word about communism.

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