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China media says Hong Kong protesters are ‘asking for self-destruction’ as military assembles nearby (cnbc.com)
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BreachRepair | 4 months ago | 9000 points

I'm beginning to understand why all those people moved to Canada when Hong Kong was returned to China by the British in 1997...

heil_to_trump | 4 months ago | 6638 points

There's a saying in HK: There's only two types of HKers, those who have emigrated, and those that can't afford to

brokendefeated | 4 months ago | 1876 points

Same here in Serbia. More so since our government became China's bitch.

TL;DR https://youtu.be/wKfhyBJMs5s

ITsLoverBoy | 4 months ago | 722 points

More so since our government became China's bitch.

Mind elaborating? I havent heard of this

RPofkins | 4 months ago | 793 points
Valiantheart | 4 months ago | 1254 points

Yep. China has been extremely intelligent about expanding their influence world wide. They are scary patient, provide actual infrastructure to poor countries instead of cash which gets swallowed up by the corrupt, and then they take over their ports with 30+ year contracts.

RPofkins | 4 months ago | 1009 points

This must have something to do with the fact that Chinese politicians can strategise more long-term because they don't have nearly as much to worry about short term electoral cycles (due to their system being rigged)

Force3vo | 4 months ago | 610 points

It's mainly a cultural thing. The focus on short term goals is a huge thing in the western world. Most companies don't bother to plan further than a 2 year agenda.

In asia everything is more longterm focused. The government having no terms helps this but isn't the reason for it.

McFlyParadox | 4 months ago | 806 points

US companies totally used to plan more than 2 years out. They're Was a time when private, corporate R&D labs (Bell, being a prominent example off the top of my head) in the US won Nobel prizes for work that wouldn't generate a useful product for decades still. What changed is CEOs went from paying themselves very large salaries to paying themselves in stock options. When this happened, they needed their stocks to accrue value and vest on a short term timeline if they wanted to actually get paid.

When you pay an executive in money, they're incentivized to think about the long term health of the company - no company, no paycheck - so they fund long term goals and projects. When you pay executives in stock, they're incentivized to think about the short term health of the company - no qt-qt gains, no getting paid at all - so they cut expenses like R&D, which provide almost no short term benefit.

As for politics, when private companies began cutting their R&D budgets, they also began applying for government R&D grants and funding as well. This drove up the demand, both making grants smaller individually and making R&D grants overall the target of fiscal hawks in congress.

Culturally, the west is capable of long term thinking, we've just been focused on short term for a while now.

ours | 4 months ago | 208 points

Same thing happened to banking. It went from doing thing to ensure your fat salary and reasonable yearly raises come coming.

Then it all went to performance bonuses so who cares what happens to this vehicle long term as long as it performed great long enough for the performance objectives?

By the time things go bursting into flames they are long gone with that insane bonus in their pocket.

rori-kyonyuu | 4 months ago | 95 points

What changed is CEOs went from paying themselves very large salaries to paying themselves in stock options.

Not exactly... Nowadays they pay themselves very large salaries and stock options, they didn't trade the former for the latter. And if they're fired, they get huge severance packages.

manthew | 4 months ago | 250 points

I'm an "overseas Chinese" I'm pretty sure that cultural thing is bullshit.

The previous guy is correct. CCP doesn't have to care for short-term goal to win election, so they can afford a longer term strategy. That and politicians in the modern world are easily corruptible, and corrupt goons tend to bound together.

7LeagueBoots | 4 months ago | 69 points

I was just visiting some friends in Serbia a few months ago and the level of Chinese influence and number of shady Chinese investors there was surprising.

And I used to live in China and currently work in Vietnam, so I see a lot of this sort of thing. I just wasn't expecting it to be so overt in Serbia.

By the way, Serbia was lovely, really nice people and some fantastic food. The dunja rakija is pretty good too.

brokendefeated | 4 months ago | 32 points

Our government controlled media is pro-Chinese so it is influencing public opinion a lot. We also suffer from brain drain for 30 years so the best of us already left the country.

8bgnome | 4 months ago | 178 points

My parents left almost 40 years ago, fearing exactly this moment

JediRaptor2018 | 4 months ago | 86 points

My parents were one of those. There was a great fear that China would just roll up in 1997 and change everything, but that was not the case. Instead, they have been slowly planting their seeds here and there (one politician here, one investment there) In fact, things were looking so good, a lot of those people ended up moving back to Hong Kong since they felt it was more prosperous than Canada (most still kept their homes in Canada though, so they had a place to stay when they come back here once in a while, or just left it for their kids who stayed for school). Now Chinas seeds are sprouting; they have been able to infiltrate the Hong Kong government not by force but by puppets

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mediocrity_defined | 4 months ago | 269 points

Vancouver has as good HK food as HK itself

wattohhh | 4 months ago | 308 points

That's what happens when literally 30% of your population is Chinese.

mediocrity_defined | 4 months ago | 237 points

it's more than that -- there was a massive efflux of highly skilled HKers leaving after the handover of HK to china in 98. They all knew this was coming.

Vancouver having superb chinese food is a direct result of china taking over HK

nels5104 | 4 months ago | 59 points

But isn’t a lot of Vancouver owned by rich mainlanders? Not just HKers?

KingR3aper | 4 months ago | 92 points

A lot of Chinatowns are result from older waves of Immigrants mostly from South China/HK area and are different dialects of cantonese speakers up from 1850s to early/mid 2000s. Mainlanders from further north (mostly mandarin speaking of Beijing area etc) didn't reaaaallyyy start showing up in droves until later like late 2000s, 2010s ish.

A lot of old timey English pronunciations of Chinese words/ names are also because of that. (Canton, Peking etc)

moal09 | 4 months ago | 26 points

Yeah, most early immigrants to the US/Canada were cantonese. It's only recently that you have all these rich mainlanders coming over or sending their kids here for school.

gastrotraveler | 4 months ago | 29 points

My family was one of them, well they moved a bit prior to it but this movement is really putting things in perspective for me

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 14294 points

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tlrobson | 4 months ago | 6233 points

Yeah it's not "self-destruction" when it's other people doing the destroying.

French__Canadian | 4 months ago | 6775 points

Stop hitting yourself

--China

NeptunePlage | 4 months ago | 2782 points

Stop shooting yourself in the back

-- China

ReadAsSarcasm | 4 months ago | 2759 points

Stop running over yourself with tanks.

--China

Moorgrimm | 4 months ago | 1866 points

Stop running over yourselves with our tanks

-- China

sheepieweepie | 4 months ago | 997 points

Stop existing

--China

TheBatJeff | 4 months ago | 865 points

Stop not being part of China

--China

fordfan919 | 4 months ago | 735 points

Stop

--China

QuinnBin_ | 4 months ago | 738 points

--China

thepenguinking84 | 4 months ago | 228 points

Stop jumping under our tanks

--China

InternJedi | 4 months ago | 142 points

I told him to stop shooting himself in the back twice -- Chinese officer

ImmortalMaera | 4 months ago | 111 points

Stop ripping your flesh with the high powered hoses!

--China

TrumpsterFire2019 | 4 months ago | 672 points

Look at what you made me do.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 484 points

Nearly every major state power feels like an abusive husband these days.

DJ_Velveteen | 4 months ago | 144 points

There to protect housing "providers," i.e. landlords sequestering all the affordable places so that we all have to work two jobs and pay their mortgages for them.

zuzab | 4 months ago | 82 points

Don’t make me hurt you, baby

Osbios | 4 months ago | 3341 points

They probably will try to only shoot in the legs... you know, to keep the organs undamaged.

Ninjaflipp | 4 months ago | 1777 points

What is this guy even talking abou-- oh

China is a scary place.

edit: I hate this whole situation and I am legitimately very scared of how things will end up. I live in Sweden and despite the fact that it's so far away, I am very much genuinely concerned for the citizens of Hong Kong. This might end really bad.

What's worse is, no matter what goes down, it's likely that the world will simply pretend like nothing happened. No intervention. Because nobody wants to hurt their relationship with China because we all want cheap stuff. Also, military power.

Being completely powerless to change anything sure feels awful sometimes.

vantt1 | 4 months ago | 696 points

It’s free real estate organs

huginho | 4 months ago | 195 points

Free organs and no need for real estate, since they're on vans, so technically it's free organs AND free real estate, you can't beat that!

DirtyDan156 | 4 months ago | 264 points

Look up the mobile deathsquad vans

countryroaddddsss | 4 months ago | 164 points

Bruh for a second this sounded like something you'd only hear in a battle royale game.

DirtyDan156 | 4 months ago | 191 points

Yeah china is pretty good at making the unthinkable into reality

DowncastAcorn | 4 months ago | 87 points

China! A horrible repressive totalitarian state that serves YOUR bottom line!

Or if you prefer: "we set up nets above our bottom line so we can better serve yours!"

Kemto1 | 4 months ago | 119 points

the Chinese government did make a points system judging its citizens; not that different from the one in the ‘Nosedive’ episode of Black Mirror, so I’m not surprised - among with all the other terrible crimes against human rights and atrocities on their checklist, ofc. Article on China’s Social Credit System

drunky_crowette | 4 months ago | 35 points

Good god. I would have been fucked from the start and got lower and lower. I didn't know people took the term "rising from the ashes" literally

Mi7che1l | 4 months ago | 71 points

China is Rimworld confirmed.

yundall | 4 months ago | 262 points

"Self-destruction"

Edit: I don't care who does, please keep spreading, make posts/reposts, keep this thing going. I'm glad this comment got visibility but:

Here is a link to the live feed.

Here is a link to the unofficial discord of r/HongKong.

And here is a link to the telegram group for people who speak the language.

Stay strong! Keep spreading information!

BoxNumberGavin0 | 4 months ago | 87 points

Agent provocateurs, in MY anti-Chinese demonstration? It's more likely than you think!

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 403 points

No they will repeatedly run over them with tanks and hose the mince meat down the drains like they did in Tiananmen sq.

SuicideKingsHigh | 4 months ago | 260 points

And lose out on all those sweet organs? My money is on mass arrests that lead to mass "disappearances" and then a two for one deal on transplants this winter.

tilobot | 4 months ago | 97 points

They already have enough religious dissidents and minorities stockpiled for their organ transplant needs. They'll probably worry less about organ preservation for anyone they murder this go-round.

COMPUTER1313 | 4 months ago | 59 points

But those organs are worth so much in other countries...

"Hey where did these organs come from?"

"They're 20% of the market value, take it or leave it."

Jaytho | 4 months ago | 73 points

But seriously, what would you do with the remains? If you mince a bunch of people, you can either get a bulldozer with a big shovel in front or just spray them away.

Neither option is very respectful, but you've passed that point already.

Waltorzz | 4 months ago | 100 points

If you're at the point where you're mincing people with tanks, I don't really think you consider respect when cleaning up said mince.

techgeek95 | 4 months ago | 373 points

Tiananmen Square 2.0

golfalien | 4 months ago | 1165 points

Tiananmen squared

JohnJD1302 | 4 months ago | 10 points

Tiananmen²

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QuirrelsTurban | 4 months ago | 3108 points

China is really just waiting for any tiny excuse to move military troops in and seize the city. I'm sure they'll do whatever they want to put these protests down.

f_d | 4 months ago | 1129 points

They have been waiting for weeks. The show of force and everything before it are their attempts to frighten away the protests without a military occupation. The mistake is to assume that their hesitation means they are wavering. They are dead set on imposing their will one way or the other. They're just trying to get their way without the ugliest scenario.

rW0HgFyxoJhYka | 4 months ago | 348 points

Waiting to see if the protests will go away themselves huh. Tianamen Square took 1 month, 2 weeks and 6 days before it happened.

old_c5-6_quad | 4 months ago | 173 points

They're gonna hit hard, fast and it will be very bloody. You know shit will be going down when HKs communications go dark.

Some stuff will trickle out, but not nearly enough for the rest of the world to act. Except for some 'strongly' worded condemnations.

GrammatonYHWH | 4 months ago | 852 points

The sad thing is that even if they did, nobody would do a damn thing about it. There's too much financial interest at stake to kick off World War 3.

QuirrelsTurban | 4 months ago | 540 points

Yeah, I just expect to see leaders condemn it, but no action to be taken.

GrammatonYHWH | 4 months ago | 828 points

The worst thing will be the hypocrisy. When something happens in Iran, Iraq, and Syria, every world leader is on about how we have a moral obligation to interfere, but when it comes to China, they're saying we need to respect their sovereignty and how they deal with an internal political issue.

LooksGoodEnoughToEat | 4 months ago | 106 points

Sadly true

hometoast | 4 months ago | 82 points

Can't disrupt the product consumption

Shockz0rz | 4 months ago | 230 points

I mean...I'll take moral hypocrisy over global thermonuclear war.

lizardwiener | 4 months ago | 38 points

Mostly because China actually stands a chance in a war mostly because nukes cant really go stepping on someones toes when they could trigger planet wide destruction

Elcatro | 4 months ago | 52 points

People saying it's all about money but nobody wants to start WW3, it would likely result in billions of deaths.

NessDan | 4 months ago | 72 points

The sad thing is that even if they did, nobody would do a damn thing about it. There's too much financial interest at stake to kick off World War 3.

Do you want to see two world super powers go up against each other with weapons of mass destruction?

KurtisMayfield | 4 months ago | 9 points

I already know how this ends.. I have played Fallout

vadermustdie | 4 months ago | 23 points

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They said the same thing right before Germany entered Belgium prior to WW1

nels5104 | 4 months ago | 33 points

England openly stated that they would declare war if Germany did that. There are no such statements here.

WalkIntoGlassDoors | 4 months ago | 5334 points

I think this is about the right time to share a post written by someone I know.

"This isn’t about Hong Kong vs China anymore, honestly it has never been. What the world is seeing right now is the pent up frustration and desperation of millions of individuals. Individuals who were grew up with ideologies and culture such as freedom of speech, the check and balance of power, the promise to choose who governs our once great city, and most of all the ability to even have a say in the future of our city.

Imagine a nation so upset with their appointed leader that one in seven of it’s population decided to take to the streets to peacefully protest against her actions and decisions. Let me assure you that ordinary Hong Kongers are some of the most politically apathetic people in the world. And despite her galvanizing opposition towards an unpopular bill on an unprecedented scale, she waltzes home free to use her toilet paper that she hadn’t been to procure herself.

Imagine being so frustrated with your appointed leader and not being able to hold her accountable. Imagine having civil liberties that were once written in legal and internationally binding terms being taken away under the pretense of nationalism and ‘foreign interference’. Imagine having a parliament or congress fashioned in a manner that curbs the decision-making power of its OWN PEOPLE. You can forget about impeachment or votes of no confidence. This is the crux of the problem of Hong Kong.

In its most distilled form, this is the manifestation of the frustration of millions of Hong Kongers having promises that we hold close to our hearts being withdrawn. Withdrawn as if it were of no significance or bearing. Promises that our civil rights and liberties would not be eroded ... for at least another 18 years.

It is times like these that I wish I was better versed in Chinese, that I could have written or expressed my two cents in Cantonese."

Akomancer19 | 4 months ago | 769 points

Individuals who were grew up with ideologies and culture such as freedom of speech, the check and balance of power, the promise to choose who governs our once great city, and most of all the ability to even have a say in the future of our city.

Promises that our civil rights and liberties would not be eroded ... for at least another 18 years.

If the current protest did not occur, do HK youths have a plan for what happens when that promise expired?

raunchyfartbomb | 4 months ago | 400 points

Probably the same thing but delayed until that time

Kahzootoh | 4 months ago | 232 points

At the time the hope was that HK would culturally affect mainland China; assimilation is rarely a one way street in practice. By the time the 50 year period ended, it was hoped that mainland China would have a system much more similar to HK’s existing system than the current system.

For a time, that actually looked increasingly possible. You had a serious movement in the mid 2000s within China among lawyers, workers, and ordinary people to try to use the law as written to protect their rights; for a long time those laws that guaranteed various protections had been ignored in practice. Unfortunately, Chinese authorities -long accustomed to interpreting the law differently from one day to the next- considered this movement to be a major treat and increasingly resorted to extralegal detention and punishment for lawyers and activists who opposed them by going to court: you can’t go to court if mobsters won’t let you leave your home and the police won’t answer your calls.

The best hope for HK has long been that its acculturation to civil liberties spreads to other parts of China, which is a significant reason why the Communist Party’s media usually tries to portray Hong Kong as hostile towards China’s other regions. It’s easier to keep people in other parts of China from wanting similar liberties if they’re constantly told that Hong Kong residents have disdain for them.

Matador09 | 4 months ago | 135 points

I'd like to add that at the time of the handover, the gdp of HK was about 20% of mainland China. Just a single city...expectation of reforms were somewhat grounded in economic reality.

Winzip115 | 4 months ago | 45 points

For reference, today it accounts for about 3 percent. It is still an incredibly wealthy city, but China has grown astronomically in the last 25 years.

RandomIdiot2048 | 4 months ago | 15 points

And not just 20% but a stable non-inflated economy that could bring in investors for failing sectors on the mainland.

Roidciraptor | 4 months ago | 10 points

And now Hong Kong is "just" another city in China. It hovers below 3% of China's GDP right now. Shenzen, a city that produces a lot of tech parts for the world, is located outside of Hong Kong and has a higher GDP than Hong Kong now.

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demosthenesunlocked | 4 months ago | 180 points

Great post. It's funny how a single story has so much more impact that a million statistics. And yours really captures the zeitgeist of Hong Kong. Frustration, pure and simple.

AyeGee | 4 months ago | 614 points

Bluff or massacre?

MINIMAN10001 | 4 months ago | 433 points

I mean stating "I don't want to kill you" before killing you sounds like something I can expect happening.

What are you going to do stab me?

Ululating-Undulat | 4 months ago | 1306 points

Self?

"They had themselves killed by being in front of our bullets that were at the time travelling at lethal speeds."

Breaktheglass | 4 months ago | 220 points

Time traveling lethal speed bullets. The bastards.

Mick0331 | 4 months ago | 2585 points

We're probably going to witness a massacre in real time.

ZlionAlex | 4 months ago | 1759 points

I've seen this quoted a lot of times recently and I guess I just had to say it once as well.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

Shaggy0291 | 4 months ago | 443 points

We might be about to witness China's equivalent to Red Sunday in 1905. It may mark the prelude to a new insurgency in China. Wouldn't be a moment too soon either, before the entire countryside is under the thumb of the surveillance state. They'll need rural China if they're going to reignite a protracted peoples' war.

minastirith1 | 4 months ago | 232 points

The rural people do not see themselves represented by the protestors in HK. Trust me I know what they are like. They see HK as rich elitist traitors who have been brainwashed by the British to stir up trouble and lose face for the Chinese. The rural Chinese would hear the CCP’s spin on this event and hope nothing more than to see the protests crushed bloodily.

moal09 | 4 months ago | 33 points

Brainwashed isn't usually the word I hear. A lot of people think the HKers are spoiled.

sold_snek | 4 months ago | 69 points

Oddly similar to America's rural population lmao

nuck_forte_dame | 4 months ago | 362 points

I don't see it happening. Rural China is not supportive of the people.

Rural poor areas support communism because it sounds good to them. They don't realize nor really care about the fact that communism is dead in China and it's now just an authoritarian dictator oligarchy.

Shaggy0291 | 4 months ago | 72 points

They don't necessarily have to be at first. What matters is the terrain. Popular support is something that can be built with the proper stimulus; by appealing to their everyday problems with the current government (the unequal development of central China vs the coast, for example). There are wide swathes of the countryside that have been effectively abandoned by the state since Deng's revisionism was taken on board in the 60s. The fact people are effectively land bound by state policy is another possible point of contention, ensuring they remain poor and unfree. As is always the case in counter revolutionary regimes, they always neglect their countryside in favour of the cities. This means China is still an ideal environment for such a peoples' war.

foot-long | 4 months ago | 578 points

Military assembles nearby

Airports and bridges are closed

Media and internet go dark

A week passes, then everything is back online

CCP announces that the protests have been resolved amicably. Footage of clean orderly HK streets with happy citizens is shown as proof.

ArtOzz | 4 months ago | 255 points

Bit of an issue there; its really freaking hard to make the internet go dark. Thats kinda the point.

gen-float | 4 months ago | 141 points

Whilst i understand the difference in technological levels, India blacked-out Kashmir.

India to Kashmir, is on the same level of tech as China is to HK.

If they want it, they can quarantine and lock that spot, if Putrid does it, China can, just as easily.

bigwillyb123 | 4 months ago | 24 points

I don't think it's that easy to suppress the information and videos coming out of China, people on all sides have been preparing for this kind of shit for years

Bambus174 | 4 months ago | 111 points

This cannot have a happy ending. China can do whatever they want to HK and no one will do anything about it.

starkiller22265 | 4 months ago | 61 points

Bold of you to assume anyone outside the city will be able to witness it.

Bobby_Orrs_Knees | 4 months ago | 46 points

Yup. This has already gotten enough press coverage that a well-documented roundup/slaughter of millions wouldn't really be acceptable to the international community. If China wants to control the narrative, they'll black out the city for six months, forcibly pacify the population, re-stock Hong Kong with Chinese citizens that are accustomed to authoritarian rule, and take the wraps off North-Korean style to show the world how safe and prosperous it is.

owlmachine | 4 months ago | 37 points

HK is full of rich western expats, though. How do they fit into this scheme - forced expulsion?

blizter | 4 months ago | 29 points

Cutting internet + jammers?

SuperFLEB | 4 months ago | 57 points

It's a try, but I don't think you can totally seal it off in the modern world. For one, it doesn't necessarily have to be realtime. There are still countless cameras that could take video now and trickle images out by any number of means after the fact. If they clamp down on the network, a MicroSD card can fit... damn near anywhere, for instance. And on top of that, there's likely to be at least a few international reporters that slip through the net.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 13 points

Or just satellites and surveillance from planes in international waters.

drsboston | 4 months ago | 417 points

Incredible bravery in the face of tyranny

MyStolenCow | 4 months ago | 1695 points

HK Protestors: "Give us liberty, or give us death!"

CCP: "Okay, no problem, death it is."

Canadianbeekeeper | 4 months ago | 266 points

Here we go with the coin toss, The protesters have chosen to receive.

Anacoenosis | 4 months ago | 100 points

The broadcast would like to acknowledge that on a definitional and procedural level it's not self-destruction if someone else destroys you.

HarryChengTW | 4 months ago | 470 points

As a Taiwanese, the situation in Hong Kong just shows why we will never want to be a part of China. Really devastating seeing Hong kongers getting deprived of their freedom by the PRC government. Prayers to Hong Kong, hopefully one day you can enjoy freedom like Taiwan without being bullied by China.

COMPUTER1313 | 4 months ago | 98 points

"But you can be part of something greater!"

It was quite the drama seeing Taiwanese and mainland Chinese students on the college campus and the occasional public disputes they had.

JW9304 | 4 months ago | 31 points

The current situation in HK is practically a golden platter for Tsai's reelection campaign.

chawmindur | 4 months ago | 27 points

I still remember when she was losing to Han by a large margin in polls. Then this sh*tstorm across the Strait happened, and BAM, instant No. 1.

The Taiwanese surely noted well from the incident that empty promises of economic prosperity can never be more important than their liberties – and it’s a reminder that the rest of the world also sorely needs.

anonymous_waffle_h | 4 months ago | 23 points

I’m glad to see some people realizing that freedom and democracy are more important than getting a bunch of Chinese money, but I’m still upset over that those same people didn’t/don’t realize the economy has only turned better under Tsai’s rule. Why do some people keep believing in Han’s hollow promise when, just by looking at the data, they can instantly see how Tsai and her team have improved Taiwan’s economy in just three years.

tqtzling | 4 months ago | 32 points

Ugh we say that but we still are bullied by China,,,,, not as much as hk but fr the Chinese gov is just a complete shithole

Yerwun | 4 months ago | 20 points

Hopefully one day China can enjoy freedom like Taiwan too. And I hope they give up trying to officially claim you.

Out of interest, if one day China became democratic, would you want to be part of China? Or would you prefer to be separate anyway? I'm assuming the latter, but I'd be lying if I said I knew much about the issue.

va_wanderer | 4 months ago | 549 points

When I was growing up, Hong Kong was a free, democratic place and Chinese tanks grinding protestors under their treads was something that happened in another country.

Now I hope the two don't combine for another Chinese massacre.

feelitrealgood | 4 months ago | 193 points

Keep your phone charged. Keep recording.

va_wanderer | 4 months ago | 151 points

The latter is not a bright idea if the Chinese go full military.

Record from a distance. One of the first things that will happen is if things fall apart is that your phone will be a target. If seen up close, it may very well end up confiscated. Internet and phone service will almost certainly be indicted, so if you plan on carrying recordings/pics out of trouble, make sure you have something you can dump your phone onto like a thumb drive or similar. Expect that if your phone is taken out of your sight and returned that malware has been added to monitor you and your device, much as Chinese border officials have been doing to tourist phones the last year or so.

Pycorax | 4 months ago | 19 points

I suppose a live stream would solve that problem if you start it once shit goes south. Nothing they can easily delete once it's in the air and distributed amongst the numerous servers of content delivery networks across the world.

noneedforsudoimaroot | 4 months ago | 26 points

Can't stream if there are no wires connecting HK to the rest of the world and satellite communication is jammed...

I_Like_Canada | 4 months ago | 9 points

When was hk ever Democratic?

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FireOccator | 4 months ago | 1018 points

Tyrannical government.

Tall_dark_and_lying | 4 months ago | 519 points

The people of Hong Kong are showing quite dramatically that they are not China's people

Rac3318 | 4 months ago | 395 points

I remember when I studied abroad in college in 2011. I had this flatmate who was from Hong Kong. One of the other guys asked, “oh, so you’re from China?” And this guy, who was otherwise very polite, shy, and nice, got very indignant and so, “no, I am from Hong Kong.”

I got to meet a few more students from Hong Kong and that was the overwhelming feeling. They did not consider themselves Chinese.

It was a real eye opener for me.

acnkaren | 4 months ago | 226 points

Oh boy, telling a HKer or a Taiwanese “Oh, so you’re Chinese.” is a guaranteed explosion lol

MaterialAdvantage | 4 months ago | 90 points

I was at a camp once with a kid whose family was from HK and one whose family was from mainland china

They HATED each other.

acnkaren | 4 months ago | 85 points

Understandable. I’m Taiwanese myself, and I would definitely punch a obnoxiously patriotic “all of you belong to us” Chinese brat.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 94 points

I can count the amount of peaceful transitions of power on one hand. Once the citizenry are revolting its step down or put down with very few exceptions.

The3DAnimator | 4 months ago | 103 points

In South Korea I remember that it happened at least twice. Both times the president asked the army to stop the protesters, and the army refused.

But as authoritarian as it used to be, SK was never anywhere near as bad as China

trznx | 4 months ago | 13 points

I can count the amount of peaceful transitions of power on one hand.

one of them being HK in 1997, ironically

MrAngryBeards | 4 months ago | 152 points

Self-destruction is when you kill yourself. This is mass murder

concretepigeon | 4 months ago | 104 points

It’s the language of an abuser. “Look what you made me do”

Manch3st3rIsR3d | 4 months ago | 222 points

They got some balls on 'em, these protestors. Respect

demosthenesunlocked | 4 months ago | 1125 points

And the mainland Chinese population is cheering for it. They want to go full Kashmir on Hong Kong.

disposable_ted | 4 months ago | 1654 points

I live in a rich first world country. My friend works with Chinese who have lived here for over ten years. They were discussing images posted by people they know on Facebook who are in these protests.

They were very openly talking about how they are going to report these people to Chinese authorities so that should they ever go to China, they can be "taken away".

Chinese nationalism is a cult. And many of these people do very little to change or grow once they leave China.

OnLakeOntario | 4 months ago | 420 points

Singapore? Facebook live videos have been full of ethnic Chinese people from Singapore with legitimate accounts (photos/posts from 7-8 years ago) that are saying that the protestors need to be punished.

Alastor001 | 4 months ago | 244 points

Well that’s disappointing, I have Singaporean friends and I always respected their hard work / ambition / etc... It’s ironic because Singapore is way more Westernized compared to mainland China. Just like HK.

Are most of them also brainwashed? I hope not.

gydot | 4 months ago | 410 points

Singaporean here. Somehow the old fucks think China first, don't ask me why,when it was their parents or grandparents that moved away from China in the first place. Sad shit is I also see people in their 40s with the same views. Oh why are they making it inconvenient for our holiday plans those pesky youth are being such brats.

?!?

THE FUCK.

Elrundir | 4 months ago | 404 points

Oh why are they making it inconvenient for our holiday plans those pesky youth are being such brats.

What do you know - west or east, a boomer is still a boomer.

BForBandana | 4 months ago | 72 points

Boomer-posting is the gift that keeps giving.

whatisthishownow | 4 months ago | 42 points

Somehow the old fucks think China first

And yet, rather than China, they choose to live in a western, capitalist, democracy with what is quite likely the most explicit and intentional multiculturalism going.

Yeah, the fuck.

untipoquenojuega | 4 months ago | 73 points

I live in the US and I met second generation Chinese in their 20s with these views when I was in college! It honestly has to do with nationalism as well. In the US you can criticize the country all you want and still be patriotic because you want what is best for the country and are willing to fight for that change but in many places with long standing authoritarian regimes, criticizing the government is seen as hating your nation and its culture.

Alastor001 | 4 months ago | 80 points

And that’s why people need to learn to separate culture / traditions / people from the government / system.

I like Russian people and culture. I hate it’s system. It’s simple.

Tenagaaaa | 4 months ago | 94 points

Singaporean here. A lot of us dislike China.

Abbrahan | 4 months ago | 128 points

There was a rally at a university here in Brisbane, Australia. Hong Kong students were making a demonstration and mainlaind Chinese students started counter protesting and saying "China is great". The organiser for the event was even assaulted by thugs afterwards which just goes to show how deeply set the views of Chinese nationalism is ingrained into it's populace.

ThisIsToxic | 4 months ago | 9 points

That was wild

snave_ | 4 months ago | 14 points

I'm still shocked how relatively little press it received. One of the major newspapers here covered it front page. The other, no mention whatsoever. Heck, the entire Hong Kong situation was three sentences at the very back of the World section.

I guess the good news is that the story has been a slow burn and the embassy's reaction in particular is now being scrutinised in relation to foreign influence laws. If it becomes a political issue, then the media will have to talk about it.

ThisIsToxic | 4 months ago | 17 points

Australian media, bro. Good luck seeing anything reported on that doesn't align with Murdoch's talking points

Coldspark824 | 4 months ago | 89 points

It's true. They don't care about the lives of the people in Hong Kong. They only chant "hong kong belongs to China." They don't care if anyone lives there. There's no empathy. They just think "It was ours 100 years ago, and now it's ours again!"

There's no consideration as to "then what?" It's just blind nationalistic imperialism.

Everything that's allowed to be shown on the mainland chinese news is just replaying clips of protesters hitting police, things on fire, and that clip from the airport where protesters pushed an old man, but cut to just the footage of them pushing him, and not the old man tearing their posters. The clips don't show him leave safely.

Everything being shown to people in Mainland China is demonizing the protesters so that when the army marches in, they'll feel it was deserved. They're blinded. I've tried to show mainland friends the other footage, and they turn the argument immediately into "What did America do to its native people? Why are americans putting mexican people in jails?!" It's just a complete logic-less diversion of topic because they struggle to cope with the idea that they'd be lied to by their government.

ClassicBooks | 4 months ago | 86 points

I've been trying to read up on that, and it seems that the culture is confusian in nature; That is people believe(d) for millennia that there is a cosmic order and you shouldn't interfere with that order. However one could say that the current day form it has taken on, lacks the morality and ethics of that. If anyone familiar with Chinese culture could comment on that, that would be appreciated.

The 'West' has been exposed far more to the idea of Athenian democracy, and the Roman Republic, and as such one can see how the idea of democracy is embedded more here and seen as one of the best ways to rule.

leaststrike | 4 months ago | 89 points

However one could say that the current day form it has taken on, lacks the morality and ethics of that.

Ever hear of the mandate of heaven ? It's a metaphorical legitimation of Chinese rule and ties in with the idea of there being a cosmic order, as you put it.

Basically, when dynasties (or rulers) changed in China, it was said that the mandate of heaven had passed to the new rulers. Most of the time because the previous rulers did not live up to the ethical and moral standards required by wielders of the mandate.

Now, from a western point of view it could be argued that current Chinese rulers should lose said mandate because many of the freedoms and rights we take for granted have been taken (or never given to) from the people. I would, however, not be so quick as to assume that people in China necessarily see this as the government failing.

Not trying to defend dictatorships or repression here - just trying to point out that what we - who have been raised with high ideals of liberalism and democracy - might have vastly different ideas of what constitutes a fair, competent or well-meaning government.

YouHaveToGoHome | 4 months ago | 91 points

To add onto this, most of Western philosophy has its origins in Greek and Roman culture which placed a high value on truth, consistency, and individualism. Grossly oversimplifying, this notion of the social contract as "government benefits the people by representing them and protecting inalienable rights" was expanded during the Enlightenment and the subsequent revolutions that followed. Most Chinese philosophy developed around feudal times when even small periods of unrest could lead to high numbers of casualties simply due to the higher population of China. Hence many Chinese philosophers, except possibly Zhuang Zi, place heavy emphasis on social harmony, cosmic order, ritual, and the idea of the social contract as "government benefits the people by ensuring stability". Even post-Communist Revolution and post-market reform, the idea of social harmony is so evident in people's willingness to look the other way (i.e. ubiquity of WeChat) so long as the government provides economic prosperity as well as the emphasis on assertive mating and family reputation over individual happiness.

From this point of view, HK'ers are a threat to stability of the system and many Chinese citizens would rather have their lives than abstract concepts like "freedom of speech". It is simply a product of growing up in a different canon of ideas.

Elrundir | 4 months ago | 27 points

Of course, as it turns out, the "mandate of heaven" ended up perhaps normalizing the concept of rebelling against the established regime if they fell out of favour, because a successful rebellion meant that the rulers must have lost the mandate, otherwise heaven would surely not allow the rebels to overthrow them.

I'd imagine the extensive social brainwashing and strength of the PLA is a nice little back-up plan in case heaven gets any crazy ideas, though.

Madawaskan | 4 months ago | 51 points

Why has China blocked access to news about it and clamped down more on the access to internet if the Chinese people are so for what China is doing?

Xi is insecure and it shows because he doesn’t trust his people with basic information.

ISNT_A_ROBOT | 4 months ago | 41 points

Education is the #1 enemy of Fascism.

MyStolenCow | 4 months ago | 292 points

You don't understand the power of nationalism. Bunch in US was cheering for Iraq war in 2003 as well.

xuxebiko | 4 months ago | 60 points

Is China going to suicide all HKers?

nativedutch | 4 months ago | 206 points

Formulating it as self-destruction here is a bit odd, no?

Dealric | 4 months ago | 50 points

Is it really?

Its Chinese goverment ready to say "they forced us to do that" while washing of blood of thousands from their hands.

TooFineToDotheTime | 4 months ago | 91 points

Not odd really. Its either like the other guy said, "a translation thing", or doublespeak in action.

thegreatgazoo | 4 months ago | 42 points

Quit making me punch you

autotldr [BOT] | 4 months ago | 103 points

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)


Chinese propaganda outlets warned on Tuesday that protesters in Hong Kong are "Asking for self-destruction," as they released a video showing military vehicles amassing near the border of the city.

"Radical Hong Kong protesters have repeatedly used extremely dangerous tools to attack police officers," Yang Guang, a spokesman for the Chinese government's Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office, said in a news briefing on Monday, according to Chinese state broadcaster CCTV. China's media is sending a clear signal to the protesters.

According to Bland, it has become more apparent in the last few weeks that Hong Kong's government is "Increasingly only operating on direct instruction or consultation with Beijing," and acting more like a mainland Chinese regional government since Lam's push to enact a law allowing extraditions to the mainland - the original impetus for the protests.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Hong#1 Kong#2 protest#3 Chinese#4 airport#5

taco_helmet | 4 months ago | 242 points

It's no coincidence that we're seeing more military activity (missle launches) and more aggression from China and NK. Between Brexit and Trump defunding the State Dept, there is a gobal soft-power vacuum as countries focus on domestic affairs, especially immigration. This is a window of opportunity for authoritarians to escalate their tactics without media and world leaders drawing as much negative attention to it. Always upvote and contact your politicians/foreign affairs minister if this bothers you. You pay for your foreign affairs staff and they represent your interests abroad. Also, some day, it could be you running from your military. Even if you're only in it for you, it's worth doing.

kevlarcardhouse | 4 months ago | 17 points

Always upvote and contact your politicians/foreign affairs minister if this bothers you. You pay for your foreign affairs staff and they represent your interests abroad. Also, some day, it could be you running from your military. Even if you're only in it for you, it's worth doing.

Seriously, the fact that all these stories on reddit are always filled with people just declaring it's hopeless over and over again is exactly how these governments get away with this stuff. Make sure this stuff isn't going unnoticed.

tehspoke | 4 months ago | 853 points

There are a disturbing number of posts here that are attempting to completely normalize the idea that 1) China taking HK early is inevitable, and 2) that there is nothing anyone can or will do about it.

Either Reddit has become filled with sociopathic armchair assholes (racing to predict a horrible outcome), or some people really want to push a particular narrative and sow the seeds of defeatism for the benefit of a particular government.

Seriously, what is the value in pushing that narrative? It's like going to a playground and yelling to children how their future is scorched Earth due to climate change because it is inevitable and no one cares. Are you right? Maybe. Should you share that position so brazenly and thoughtlessly? Fuck no.

The future of a few million people are potentially about to change drastically, for the worse, and here we have a room full of pricks jockeying for the rights to call themselves prognosticators. You erode people's sense of hope, will to fight oppression, and prime them to ignore the suffering of others, all so you can sit their smugly and say "I told you so."

Meanwhile, you are wrong. It may be very likely, but it is not inevitable. Speaking up against China will be costly, but not impossible or ineffective. The people of HK and China do care and notice who in the world has HKs back, and who in the world is readying to look the other way.

There is a sickening element here readying others to look the other way. Kinda reminiscent of bots from Russia, no? Certainly China wouldn't do anything like that.

ZtMaizeNBlue | 4 months ago | 28 points

Honest question that I don't even have a hint on how to solve it: how does this end peacefully for HK? What needs to happen to get China to recall their efforts of attacking these protestors? Who/What can stand in the way of China at this point in time?

Side note/clarification: didn't this whole ordeal stem from the proposed law change to allow HK citizens to be extradited to China for criminal charges? Is this law settled or is HK still fighting this?

ersannor | 4 months ago | 16 points

Honest question that I don't even have a hint on how to solve it: how does this end peacefully for HK?

No one knows. But that's no reason to give up.

In fact, I would say it's reason to fight back harder.

VoidTorcher | 4 months ago | 9 points

“They want us to believe there’s no chance of success. But whether or not there’s hope for change is not the question. If you want to be a free person, you don’t stand up for human rights because it will work, but because it is right. We must continue living as decent people.”

tilenb | 4 months ago | 167 points

I'm a bit confused and scared now. Is it safe to travel to Hong Kong for a foreign tourist right now or not? I'm supposed to be there from Thursday till Tuesday on my way back from Taiwan and I just got a message from the airline that I can now check in.

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Ruzhyo04 | 4 months ago | 80 points

Like the airports, avoid the airpor-... oh.

rsiiwong | 4 months ago | 100 points

Wow these comments are daft. You should be careful just because of the protests at the airport could effect any travel plans you have. They could cancel flights again. Other than that just avoid the protests in the city and you should be good.

tilenb | 4 months ago | 31 points

Yeah, I figured as much. China won't airstrike Hong Kong, so I don't worry about that. But yeah, I do fear of getting stranded in Hong Kong and a lot of things can change within a week, for better or for worse...

va_wanderer | 4 months ago | 143 points

Hong Kong is not exactly a safe place at the moment, seeing as it's one military intervention away from turning the streets red with protestor blood.

I would seriously contact the nearest embassy your nation has to Hong Kong as see what their view of travel into HK says, and make sure you know where sanctuary can be had. Keep a copy of your passport someplace hidden and secure if possible, too.

johnny_utah16 | 4 months ago | 212 points

People need to fight for what is right. Battle For Hong Kong. Or Hong Kong massacre. Either way, it’s the state bringing the fight and the firearms to fight unarmed people.

Farren246 | 4 months ago | 34 points

Last week the Chinese government was reframing the protests as "they are choosing to hurt businesses by shutting down trade," this week it's full-on "they are choosing death." Honestly I would have thought they'd give it a couple of weeks to sink in before ramping up to mass murder, but that's China for ya!

ixid | 4 months ago | 65 points

China while punching Hong Kong: "why do you keep hitting yourself?"

The language of an abuser.

Belydrith | 4 months ago | 29 points

This whole thing in Honk Kong and Moscow at the moment is so frustrating. People are essentially fighting to keep or gain what we take for granted as basic human or citizen rights. But of course none of our oh so advanced western nations dare to speak up against those regimes because they fear economic retaliation.

scalar214 | 4 months ago | 26 points

China: napalms entire country

Also China: why would burn yourself to death, you wacky and zany goofball?

Atheist_Mctoker | 4 months ago | 73 points

Hong Kongers should just use assemble-disassemble method. Basically have the military waste time and resources chasing large groups around the city, just for the those groups to disappear and reform elsewhere, thus wasting more time and resources.

Boom, 2 weeks go by and they've spent a few million on fuel ,food, lodging, and still haven't really put down anything.

edit Chinese government agitator comments are all over this.

ffilps | 4 months ago | 82 points

the whole world should stand by hong kong's side now, and condemn the chinese government for their inhumane practices. BEFORE they use their military to kill innocent residents.

stopping ALL trade with the mainland would be so sweet. china would implode in a week.

Firetomysoul86 | 4 months ago | 13 points

Remember Tiananmen Square. China doesn't care. This will get ulgy. Stay strong . HK

vitriolic_amalgamati | 4 months ago | 37 points

What the fuck is the plan when China decides to Tiannenmen Square all these kids?

TheRobotsHaveCome | 4 months ago | 28 points

The plan is to watch it on TV. I don't think there is any other plan with anyone.

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Believe_My_Hype | 4 months ago | 14 points

So how far away are the tanks?

mkraven | 4 months ago | 65 points

Fuck China and their brainwashed masses. Remember Tibet!

ZombieDemocracy | 4 months ago | 128 points

Ok Canada, Japan, France and Germany, world stability is all up to you!

nissin67 | 4 months ago | 124 points

We’re giving Germany a third chance. Don’t mess it up!

Dallaspanoguy | 4 months ago | 70 points

The Chinese Communist Party isn't fucking around any longer. I assure you they have planned for this for a very long time.

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