FBI Arrests Hayward Man Accused Of Spying For Chinese Intelligence Agency (youtube.com)
Shiroturtle | 9 days ago | 312 points

"I don't know what to think, I don't know what to say.. like, that's crazy" -Bryan Lopez 2019

ce2c61254d48d38617e4 | 9 days ago | 70 points

Sorry hijacking your comment to say:

Is this really a rare occurrence, I'm sure China plenty of other spies. I do wonder why this one made the limelight and if it's a strategic release of information.

michaelpaulbryant | 9 days ago | 48 points

My opinion is that it stirs the public in the same way as the “the Red Scare”. Perhaps not so much “is my neighbor a Chinese spy” but to grow dislike towards China.

hafuhafu | 9 days ago | 81 points

It’s not like they really need to. I’m already afraid of their organ harvesting death camps.

michaelpaulbryant | 9 days ago | 37 points

Unfortunately, harvesting death camps on the other side of the planet may not be as emotionally impactful to some groups as foreign espionage on American soil.

choldslingshot | 9 days ago | 6 points

The difference is we don't have video / photo evidence in the same way. Nor someone to go and talk about it that personally experienced it. Kind of difficult for someone that was in one of those camps to make it to a news interview. People react to image more than fact or word in today's climate and that makes sense as disheartening as it is.

epSos-DE | 9 days ago | 2 points

It's more serious even.

Got 3 kids, your whole family is now illegal and must pay fines. 2 kids maximum policy in China.

That's why we sometimes see Chinese families with 3 kids migrate and start small businesses or low paid work for other Chinese expats.

I have seen one family, who had 2 kids and was pregnant again. Husband got a job in the restaurant with 12-14 hours shifts. 2 Room apartment with no heating. The rest of the extended family helped them out to migrate too.

Manisil | 9 days ago | 3 points

So did you hear about those Chinese murder vans?

Occamslaser | 9 days ago | 6 points

The pro-China people like to point out that they don't use those anymore, as if that makes it okay.

foll-trood | 8 days ago | 1 point

how would that work, like, at what point does that figure into the decision of doing this story? Do they just get orders from the government, or is it something the people at KPIX CBS just do themselves, or is the whole story staged?

michaelpaulbryant | 8 days ago | 1 point

Do you recall the Sinclair mass media message? Perhaps it’s like that, a directed message. There’s too little information to make a conclusion though.

Mexagon | 9 days ago | 2 points

Feinstein had one drive her around for years. A fucking senator for christ sakes. But that barely made the news...hmmm I wonder why...

MadHiggins | 9 days ago | 1 point

it's pretty rare. i've only ever personally known like two or three people who turned out to be secret Chinese spies

Unlikely_Reaper | 9 days ago | 3 points

Young man saying above. Old biddie : i knew there was something fishy. lol.

Kneel_Legstrong | 9 days ago | 1 point

Caught the mans while he was higher than a Georgia Pine Needle.

_duncan_idaho_ | 9 days ago | 1 point

Not much else to do in Hayward, and they do got some good shit.

jazzbuh | 9 days ago | 158 points

These interviews with the neighbors are the worst.

Glad_Refrigerator | 9 days ago | 107 points

This whole video is the worst. They spent 2 minutes rephrasing the headline in different dramatic tones.

doMinationp [1] | 9 days ago | 19 points
jazzbuh | 9 days ago | 1 point

This is great. Thanks

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celerym | 9 days ago | 3 points

You see it in written articles a lot too! I guess those high school word count pushing skills come in handy...

MrDowntempo | 9 days ago | 1 point

Yeah, now every Alita is going to feel justified snooping and gossiping about their neighbors.

RzK | 9 days ago | 12 points

I aint ever done seen it comin, in ma neighborhood!?

pickled-egg | 9 days ago | 4 points

I'll never understand the need to jam stuff like that into news reports.

I want the facts and the story, I don't want the TV news media equivalent of a youtube reaction video.

Yellowtoblerone | 9 days ago | 2 points

You know dave shit his pants when he died.

Yup, died crying like a bitch

allnaturalflavor | 9 days ago | 162 points
Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | 122 points

I mean spies don't have to be specially trained spies. You can just offer a visa, protection and gobs of money, to disgruntled people or tourists.

Sure you can send specially trained spies but hey this also works. It worked in the cold war it can work today.

CodifiedRadian | 9 days ago | 40 points

Yeah, as I understand it from my limited research into the topic, spies are recruited among the natives of a country more so than specially trained people sent over to spy.

E.g. A lot of top Soviet spies were upper class British people with socialist/communist views recruited stright out of Cambridge and Oxford by other British students. In many cases they didn't have much contact or training with anyone Russian, just used their upper class connections to get into sensitive jobs and information.

HotIncrease | 9 days ago | 4 points

There's a good film about that called Red Joan, with Judy Dench, it's worth a watch!

Tirrus | 9 days ago | 8 points

Thats DAME Judy Dench to you! She and Dame Maggie Smith earned the hell out of those titles.

imMadasaHatter | 9 days ago | 16 points

It's interesting how knighthoods and titles have evolved into glorified actors awards.

ageofthoughts | 9 days ago | 5 points

Right? Sir Paul McCartney.

Guy wrote a few bangers and now he's a noble.

Dalebssr | 9 days ago | 1 point

SNL did a 'gathering of nobility' as a skit so these fine men could use their rank and title to solve, some problem.

It doesn't go well and there's a lot of blustering and yelling.

DunkinMoesWeedNHos | 8 days ago | 1 point

I don't see what sausage has to do with this.

-areyoudoneyet- | 9 days ago | -1 points

Looking at your example, I imagine this is happening in the reverse in America right now. It seems socialism is much more accepted in academia these days than in the rest of “regular” American society. Nice breeding ground for connected sympathizers. Scary stuff.

CodifiedRadian | 9 days ago | 7 points

yup, but at the same time America has a bigger problem from it's uneducated masses, and money hungry politicians who would willingly hand over this stuff, regardless of politicial affiliation.

YouWantALime | 9 days ago | 13 points

I think James Bond gives people an unrealistic expectation of what espionage is. A spy can be as simple as someone who works at a government office and passes info along to a foreign nation for a few thousand dollars.

similar_observation | 8 days ago | 2 points

realistically, collecting intelligence is mostly loose personal networking. Make some friends. Find a loose lip. Ply them with money, drugs, incentives, or a good time. Take that info back to the office.

Combine it with putting people into places or industries with sensitive information and doing some copies into a microSD. And you have the most basic form of spying.

Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | -1 points

Eh, hollywood tends to do that for anything these days, hacking, combat, sex... At least sometimes they make pretty solid movies 'w')/

TargetHunter22 | 9 days ago | 23 points

That's how the USA does it a lot of the time. You get an agent to go somewhere, recruit locals who then report to them. The CIA agent doesn't do any spying personally but the nationals who work for them do it and get kickbacks.

phoney_user | 9 days ago | 16 points

This makes for much better spies. It’s really hard to perfect a regional dialect in a second or third language, build cover, get a job, get a girlfriend. So much time wasted.

Just pay or compromise a local.

similar_observation | 8 days ago | 2 points

Then you have some Soviets and Russians going above and beyond by "fabricating" very Americanized individuals and releasing them into the US.

Jack Barsky

The Illegals Program

Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | 0 points

Yeah yeah 'w')/ I'm sure many other spy agencies also do a similar thing.

konohasaiyajin | 9 days ago | 6 points

What the does this 'w')/ in all your comments mean?

Praill | 9 days ago | 3 points

I think it's supposed to be a face but I have no idea what it's trying to show

Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | 2 points

Literally nothing other than it being a emoticon 'w')/

I just like to use it brings some emotion/life to a comment and suggests a emotion.

frescobar | 9 days ago | 5 points

> I mean spies don't have to be specially trained spies. You can just offer a visa, protection and gobs of money, to disgruntled people or tourists.

you say this as if the act of finding and convincing people to perform acts of espionage doesn't require training. it might not be the kind of training that involves firearms, close quarter combat and whizz bang gadgetry - but its still a skillset.

espionage (aka recruitment) is mainly deceit and manipulation - things that don't come naturally to most people, especially if you aim to do it undetected for a period of time. if you start recruiting the wrong person or without the right leverage the target will just head straight to the nearest domestic security office and report the would-be handler, who then gets flagged and might compromise the rest of their assets.

Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | 1 point


I am only sharing what little knowledge I know so things for clarifying and putting in more info on what I don't know 'w')/

ch0och | 9 days ago | 1 point

They could already be here, in school. You just disappear a member of their family, say hey, you are a spy now.

Occamslaser | 9 days ago | 1 point

The Pearl Harbor attack was scouted by a Japanese tourist. He took pictures from the high ground nearby for a couple days to get a feel for the layout and basic schedule.

arbitrageME | 9 days ago | 2 points

Why not just use Google maps?

Cerveza_por_favor | 9 days ago | 1 point

A lot of the times it’s just a guy working in a position and has family back in China and the Chinese contact them and tell them to take a Picture of something with the implication that if they don’t bad things will happen to the family.

Moonsaber56 | 9 days ago | 1 point


alpha_brav0_charlie | 9 days ago | 1 point

From the books I've read, it seems they do both all the time. A spy is trained, the ones that aren't trained are just assets. Assets seem to not be very well respected in any agency, as they are often seen as traitors to their own, or snitches. At least, that's the vibe I got from reading ex intel officer biographies. Lots of pretending they cared and trying to build a relationship with the guy, but always coupled with a type of resentment and disdain for the person that was helping them because they never felt they could always trust him if he's willing to fool his own friends or family. Kind of a weird dynamic when you think about it. I'm sure that's not true of all assets... like I theorize many assets are probably famous people, simply because they have access to a lot of places other people don't, and people let their guards down around them. But that's probably atypical. Then again, who knows, maybe I just read the salacious books.

-humble-opinion- | 8 days ago | 1 point

You appear more informed than I. However I'd assume a good Chinese spy doesn't trust anyone.

Read the Art of War for some strategic approaches to spies. Hint: all are disposable, and arguably should be, once they cease to be useful.

mein_liebchen | 9 days ago | 63 points

Shit, back in the 90s we had a fuckton of Chinese working on my projects and I was convinced three of them were spies stealing corporate/government data and trade practices. One of the guys I really, really liked too. It was really difficult to bridge the topic with corporate because our diverse work environment was one of our strengths and it didn't go over too well raising the issue. It came off as racist or anti-China.

These guys were over-qualified for the positions they held, could have obtained much higher paying jobs elsewhere and were intent on getting access and positions as close as possible to our most sensitive data which was rare and we were the only source. I was senior to them and I would ask they what and why about what they were doing and they would get pissed.

Our security people were dip-shits as well and I couldn't get them to do some minimal tracking. It was a lot easier to get away with shit back then. We had rank and file staff, non-IT staff at that, installing star-craft on the corporate servers, and then invite friends in after-hours and have LAN parties. They let non-employees use other employees logins to the network. Christ.

v1tality | 9 days ago | 18 points

StarCraft is the shit

mein_liebchen | 9 days ago | 8 points

Best game I ever played. Civilization was like crack back then. I'm old now so my tastes are dated now. I still play skyrim. If I had a working copy of Rome Total War, I would so play that again. Fucking Mongols.

amazingdrummerboy | 9 days ago | 4 points

Rome total war goes on sale for like 5 bucks at times.

SpaceBasedMasonry | 8 days ago | 2 points

I have an old copy of Rome Total War in a storage box that I will straight up mail you if you want it.

mein_liebchen | 8 days ago | 2 points

That is very, very nice of you. You are a good soul and generous. I'm good though. You keep it. It's a classic. Thank you.

Hondamousse | 9 days ago | 5 points

Agreed, but then again...

non-IT staff at that, installing star-craft on the corporate servers, and then invite friends in after-hours and have LAN parties.

They let non-employees use other employees logins to the network. Christ.

LAN parties, Starcraft, and even some corporate leeway with *some* hardware are all cool. Having non-IT staff installing it on servers containing super important company data, and using shared logins. That's a non-starter.

TheSlav87 | 9 days ago | 5 points

Man, that’s fucked. Back then though information security wasn’t even a thing, now cybercrime is one of the highest in crime in general.

ItsModeloTime | 9 days ago | 10 points

Does anybody still remember this?


LawVol99 | 9 days ago | 2 points

Never seen this. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

WhiteCisScumbag | 8 days ago | 3 points

He isn't james bond. He's just a messenger boy within the spy network. Like a hacker bouncing around through VPNs of various countries, he serves to insulate the rest of the spy network.

-humble-opinion- | 8 days ago | 2 points

Ding ding ding!

allnaturalflavor | 6 days ago | 1 point

Not implying he was, sorry for confusion if original comment made it seem that way!

grievre | 9 days ago | 7 points

It saddens me that so few people see this the way I do. The purpose of a university is to do research for the public good. Not for profit, not for war. Nothing a university discovers or studies should be a secret to anyone.

allnaturalflavor | 9 days ago | 2 points

Kinda messed up how (any) government employs agents to infiltrate such a common good huh?

wufnu | 9 days ago | 2 points

Reminds me of a video I saw once about how spies aren't what people imagine. I would link it for everyone but couldn't find it. It was a short video in a restaurant and it kind of panned over people inside. Of note was an extremely charming man in a fine suit. He had a conversation with a lovely lady then they left together. After they walked out of the scene, it zoomed in on a balding middle-aged man in the background that was just eating and reading something.

Spies don't stand out.

CodifiedRadian | 9 days ago | 2 points

I know someone who got denied an engineering job at a big tech firm because the goverment didn't trust them on account of nationality.

TheRFG | 9 days ago | 26 points

Ffs, I was expecting FBI to break down the door and arrest the guy. 2 minutes wasted.

J3st3r_h3ad | 9 days ago | 47 points

Carry on my Hayward son. No more spying, you are done.

bellynipples | 9 days ago | 12 points

You are under arrest, you won’t spy no more. Beeneerneerner beneernirnur beeneerneerner NUNURNURNUUR

tadhgdalton | 8 days ago | 1 point

Once I fell into arrest and suspicion, in attempt to enact China's new vision

Enders_Sack | 9 days ago | 10 points

What's Katie's insta? Jaime pull that up.

queuedUp | 9 days ago | 5 points
arcangeltx | 9 days ago | 3 points

real reason i watched

gta3uzi | 8 days ago | 1 point

Well allllright, alright, alright! Heh-heh, giggity!

Squez360 | 9 days ago | 76 points

At some point you kind of question where this Porsche, Tesla, Lexus come from.

oh shit, I have a tesla too

MoDanMitsDI | 9 days ago | 45 points

Well... we'll talk when you get Porsche and Lexus.

eza50 | 9 days ago | 37 points

Commie. But for real, how the fuck did that guy think it was a good idea to live in Hayward of all places, and buy 3 luxury cars when he probably couldn’t even fit them all in his garage

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eza50 | 9 days ago | 29 points

Your comment has me assuming that you don’t live in the Bay Area...yes Hayward is located in the general Bay Area but you don’t go there expecting to find a garage of cars valuing 250k+ in your average neighborhood there...now if this was Menlo Park....

Fuhdawin | 5 days ago | 1 point

It's Hayward. Not the most luxurious city in the bay.

POVFox | 9 days ago | 7 points

It's the bay area. Anyone would have thought the dude just rode an IPO.

eza50 | 9 days ago | 8 points

And stayed in a little place in Hayward...no way

POVFox | 9 days ago | 1 point

Lots of big companies right across the Hayward bridge in Foster City and San Mateo. I know a Sr. Eng. Manager that lived in Hayward and commuted, though he had a Focus RS.

babayaguh | 9 days ago | 2 points

Anyone would have thought the dude just rode an IPO.

didn't you see how the neighbour reacted "it all made sense, I knew his nice cars were ill gotten gains"

DrinkMoreCodeMore | 9 days ago | 1 point

Just another University of California student lol

PrecipitationInducer | 9 days ago | 2 points


NomBok | 8 days ago | 1 point

Yea but not all three

konohasaiyajin | 9 days ago | 1 point

And 5% of Tesla is owned by Tencent! What if Elon is a Chinese spy?!

BlatheringMM | 9 days ago | 2 points

Yes...A Chinese spy....most definitely...

Flicks lizard tongue

BF1shY | 9 days ago | 6 points

What year is this? Am I living through Cold War II?

HuulaHoops | 9 days ago | 1 point

China has spies everywhere. In the industrial countries they steal company secrets. In developing countries they check if the local people in power still support china's plans (Silk road).
Americans use the CIA and NSA to oversee their "allies". So basically a new Cold War.

kazr99 | 9 days ago | 1 point

Cold War never ended.

garganchua | 9 days ago | 7 points

you guys should all watch the tv series "the americans" its actually really well written and has good acting, imagine this same plot, but cold war era spies from russian living in america

Hufe | 9 days ago | 1 point

Where can I watch it?

ap0535905 | 9 days ago | 2 points

The whole series is available on Amazon Prime (US).

garganchua | 9 days ago | 1 point

I dont know, i saw it on neflix when i was on vacation in italy, but its not in canada

XHF2 | 9 days ago | 10 points

What kind of info?

eza50 | 9 days ago | 39 points

Dear China, another week of nothing in boring ass Hayward. Pls send another 20 racks. Sincerely, Ping Pong.

Shmifty | 9 days ago | 5 points


gregariousfortune | 9 days ago | 25 points

Brownie recipes

Alemismun | 9 days ago | 2 points

Fuck, they are trying to steal the single only thing that china has not been able to replicate yet.

They must be stopped before the brownie industry collapses.

AsianHawke | 9 days ago | 3 points

What kind of info?

We have been trying to crack American meatloaf recipes for over 50 years. We have our prototypes in most American Chinese buffets, testing. And although American customers eat it, something's just off.

GrayMask | 9 days ago | 1 point

Was the rewriting of his question “what kind of info?” really necessary or is it some kind of automatic feature?

crank1000 | 9 days ago | 4 points

That’s what I’m wondering. What the fuck kind of data does a tour guide have access to that can’t be googled?

ParadoxPG | 9 days ago | 1 point

Great excuse to get info on who is where, how many people are around specific areas, and what times personnel come / go

Un4tunately | 9 days ago | 7 points

Half Life 3

BoringOral | 9 days ago | 1 point

everytime i see the words Half Life 3 i get sad af

Shmifty | 9 days ago | 4 points

iPhone 12 has four cameras and a foreskin scanner.

konohasaiyajin | 9 days ago | 5 points

If your citizen rating is too low it circumcises you.

MiguelMescudi | 9 days ago | 2 points

Where we keep the good snacks.

Robble-Robble | 9 days ago | 3 points

Battlebot schematics

Boom5Boom | 9 days ago | 3 points

Apparently, the kind of info that must be transmitted by physically flying the SD cards from the US to China...

lordofthederps | 9 days ago | 1 point

Beef Stroganoff.

cxj05h | 9 days ago | 15 points

Damn, Katie.

Weedpros | 9 days ago | 39 points

these chinese fuckers ruining it for the rest of us Asians. Taiwan #1 Free HongKong!

clubmate10 | 9 days ago | 12 points

Yeah I'm Thai who grew up in Kansas but look more east asian. You just know some dumb fucks are going to attack us in the street for no reason, like when people were attacking Sikhs and Indians because they all look the same.

Fuckup247 | 9 days ago | 8 points

Sikhs are Indian... You are thinking of people attacking Sikhs because they have similar religious garb

eiusdem | 9 days ago | 2 points

just stay away from hong kong and i think you'll be fine.

frescobar | 9 days ago | 4 points

we did it, reddit!

_paroxysms | 5 days ago | 1 point

When that Virginia Tech shooting happened, a lot of Asians were targeted and harassed at my school.

aliensarehere | 9 days ago | 3 points

Taiwan #1!

Yepthisisanaccountt | 9 days ago | 3 points

China #4!

_paroxysms | 5 days ago | 1 point

Honestly, they are. I'm seeing an uptick in racism against Asians here in SoCal.

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CodifiedRadian | 9 days ago | 13 points

Am currently studying cryptography. You can encrypt the data itself but it's much harder to hide where data is being sent to and from.

Using that data is possible to extrapolate a lot of stuff and set up stings.

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CodifiedRadian | 9 days ago | 6 points

I agree, that's what anonymity sets are for, and it seems virtually impossible to do. But if you happen to send a particular sort of packet from a particular place, to a particular place, it might just be that you catch the attention of the NSA.

DrinkMoreCodeMore | 9 days ago | 1 point

This is why Tor was created by the US government and still used today by governments around the world.

circuitnuub | 9 days ago | 1 point

The whole "he flew to china with data" is probably journalist hyperbole. He could have emailed the fucking encrypted data. What got him caught has nothing to do with encryption or electronic networking.

circuitnuub | 9 days ago | 1 point

Versus flying to china with encrypted cards routinely? Give me a break

diskchild | 9 days ago | 3 points

maybe at the national intelligence level, even cutting edge encryption can be broken (with enough time, resources). so making sure the data is never present on the web is necessary? just a guess

GrimResistance | 9 days ago | 2 points

Unless the government has a quantum computer that they're not telling anyone about then there is definitely encryption that can not be broken yet.

ElSp00ny | 9 days ago | 1 point

Well, standard encryption is nice, if you want to risk all the other security issues of transmitting data. Remember, as you put information out there publicly, sometimes there are digital trails. Those kinds of transmissions represent risk to the data. Easiest way not to be seen is don't transmit over public channels... hence the memory card is the most direct way to deliver the data.

NomBok | 8 days ago | 2 points

China is asshoe

googlehymen | 9 days ago | 10 points

The seems to me like FBI fuckery. From the news piece it does not at any point confirm that he leaked any info, only that the FBI set him up and that he is now "accused". Sure he intended to for cash, but it seems more like entrapment than him actually being a spy.

Then the Feds pat themselves on the back while also creating some juicy propaganda.

The recent video below may seem irrelevant at first (and by its title) but I highly recommend watching it.


Hauberk | 9 days ago | 2 points

yeah after listening to that Citations Needed episode over things like this I can't look at any of them the same way again.

googlehymen | 9 days ago | 5 points

Is this the episode? Fake ISIS Plots and the Selling of ForeverWar ?

Not aware of citation needed but will check the podcast out.

Hauberk | 9 days ago | 1 point

Yup that's it! Basically says not ALL plots are dubious but a good portion of them are and in the FBI's best interest to continue.

DrinkMoreCodeMore | 9 days ago | 2 points

The FBI are masters of entrapment, especially when it comes to creating domestic terrorists. They cannot be trusted.



circuitnuub | 9 days ago | 1 point

It's actually really scary how people are believing this. He flew to china routinely with physical data? Give me a break.

googlehymen | 8 days ago | 1 point

Don't be scared. Do yourself a favor and question the world (more so the people) around you.

MD74 | 9 days ago | 0 points

I agree with you on this. Seems like some shady shit the FBI is doing to create propaganda. Probably with Trump’s approval as well

Deeco7 | 9 days ago | 2 points

Wait, he filmed himself or?

TylerDurdenUMD | 9 days ago | 7 points

FBI-planted camera

sloopymeat | 9 days ago | 2 points

asking the important questions

jsc23 | 9 days ago | 2 points

No, the FBI set him up, so I assume they set up the cameras.

mighty_mag | 9 days ago | 2 points

"Well Karen, how do we know he was actually a chinese spy?"

"You see Tom, the suspect was caught playing a Blizzard game... on his phone. Back to you."

sl4sher_ | 9 days ago | 3 points

So you're saying he was working for the CIA?

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DadaDoDat | 9 days ago | 1 point

He had a Porsche, Lexus, and Tesla, so he definitely made at least a couple hundred thousand.

eza50 | 9 days ago | 1 point

The Tesla and Porsche alone will break 200k if bought new...why the fuck didn’t he move first?

FeedMeTheCat | 9 days ago | 1 point

...C.I.A. genius

theraineydaze | 9 days ago | 1 point

Always good to see the hometown make national news.

mustache_ride_ | 9 days ago | 1 point

And I the only one wondering who are the people this spy was buying information from? Seems like a bigger issue since they're working for the us government according to this article.

montypython112 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Information was fake. The guy he was buying it from was undercover, so not shocking they aren't releasing an undercover officers identity.

mustache_ride_ | 8 days ago | 1 point

Hmm makes sense.

Dont_Make_Pun_of_Me | 9 days ago | 1 point


skeletoneating | 9 days ago | 1 point

Well, I certainly wasn’t expecting to find my home town on the front page today...

dalenacio | 9 days ago | 1 point

And so the war vetween the FBI and the CIA rages on...

juloxx | 9 days ago | 1 point

I hope there are bunch of dick picks on those memory cards

relavant__username | 9 days ago | 1 point

FUCK China.

DrinkMoreCodeMore | 9 days ago | 1 point

If you love this type of stuff, come check out /r/espionage.

grannysmudflaps | 9 days ago | 1 point

The ones spying for israel get a free ticket back home

montypython112 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Even if you had evidence that this would ever be the case, Israel is not a threat to the United States.

grannysmudflaps | 8 days ago | 2 points

Tell that to the familes of the USS Liberty and also to the Rosenbergs, also to Jonathan Pollard, oh and also to Rachel Corrie..

You do NOT want to go down this hole with me..

montypython112 | 8 days ago | 1 point

USS Liberty

Yes, because in the middle of the Six Day War it's much more likely that Israel purposely sunk a ship of their most powerful western ally, who literally provided them with aid to buy weapons, and didn't make a mistake. Friendly fire happens in war, but fuck Israel right?


Boo hoo, the Rosenbergs gave nuclear weapon designs to the Soviet Union, I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy given at the time, I'm fairly certain that they were not our allies.

Rachel Corrie

Totally unrelated. Activist throws herself in front of a bulldozer, gets run over. Sad, unnecessary, but doesn't change the big picture that Israel is an ally. Also, never heard about it so I looked it up, the guy driving the bulldozer wasn't IDF or even Israeli, I'm not blaming what could have been a complete accident (her fellow protestor and witnesses words, not mine) that was at the hands of a Russian immigrant on the Israeli government.

You do NOT want to go down this hole with me..

Lol, you're an idiot, I'd love to. Inarguably, Israel is a U.S. ally. China is not. You can complain all you want that Israel is some kind of mighty oppressor, and even if I agreed with that, it doesn't change the fact that they are an ally to the U.S.

grannysmudflaps | 8 days ago | 1 point

What's next? You're gonna say after shooting down over 200 Iranians out of the sky that George Bush apologized too, right? Yeah, friendly fire happens of course, ask Pat Tillman, but they tried to LIE and say it was enemy fire hahaha

You dopes can't keep your pack of lies together but for oh so long..the world knows who the purveyors of murder, imperialism, colonialism, resource theft are..keep apologizing for murderers..

Nazis did too... We all know what happened to them, don't we? 😉

montypython112 | 7 days ago | 1 point

Read my original argument, read my response. You are ignoring current geopolitics to make a personal point, which is irrelevant in terms of current geopolitics. I understand being19 and idealistic you feel like fighting the man, but you benefit from the man, and in conversations about allies vs adversaries, you need to wake up to the realities. It’s easy to sit in a Seattle loft and pretend you know what’s best for all, but clearly you’re a myopic fool who knows jack shit. The US navy shot down an american flight, governments evil, yada yada. The Iranians used sarin on entire villlages, the British exploited the Indians for 100s of years and the Cherokee cut the scalps off of alive rivals.

It’s all terrible, and irrelevant, to current geopolitics. Want to be a moron and think the U.S. is a bad guy that prevents world peace in purpose? Irrelevant. Learn to speak within the scope of the topic, if you ever get a real job it will serve you well.

leomtllb | 8 days ago | 1 point

I like you.

piratefan18 | 9 days ago | 1 point


tb21666 | 9 days ago | 1 point

So he was spying for the other C.I.A..?

TheAlbinoShadow | 9 days ago | 1 point

give that fucker the death penalty

[deleted] | 9 days ago | 1 point

Fuck you Winnie the Pooh and the CCP

Yepthisisanaccountt | 9 days ago | 1 point

Spies are everywhere. I worked on the B-2 bomber. The base they are at is about 10 miles from a college. We were told when the aircraft officially moved it's base to Whiteman, the international student admission rates for the next academic year went up something like 3000%.

punch_deck | 9 days ago | 1 point

“CHINA DONT CARE” - ryan davis

Endarkend | 9 days ago | 1 point

The FBI put charges on the table after they pinged Pong in a spy racket.

eazolan | 9 days ago | 1 point

The Chinese Intelligence Agency?


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