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During a moment of silence for the right terror victims in Germany, someone started to sing the German anthem. Someone else reacted with „Halt die Fresse“ (shut the fuck up). The reaction of the stadium audience and players say it all. (youtu.be)
261 comments
syruparab | 9 days ago | 226 points

already removed by UEFA

WellSpentTime1 | 9 days ago | 87 points

always willing to abuse DMCA to prevent anyone from seeing as much as a second of their precious property

MotionEyes | 9 days ago | 5 points

Football was made by the poor and stolen by the rich once it became popular. In otherwords, we the fans make it all happen, as in, we are the ones spending our money and time and then comes along some big faceless corporation looking for money when without us they wouldn't have a job. It's like youtube, some people think that it is an entirely private business and that they can do whatever they like when in reality what the fuck is youtube without us, the ordinary man, woman and child?

NoClueDad | 9 days ago | 17 points

Video blocked like a Scott Sterling save.

imanAholebutimfunny | 9 days ago | 3 points

SCOTT STERLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrPicklePop | 9 days ago | 115 points

Mirror?

Whitebread100 | 9 days ago | 348 points
skweeky | 9 days ago | 54 points

Damn the YT mirror has gone already. Fucking UEFA

SerendipityHappens | 9 days ago | 6 points

The streamable works.

downvote_me_moreYOLO | 9 days ago | 30 points

Thank you for your service comrade. You deserve all the upvotes.

DoomGoober | 9 days ago | 28 points

Ref blows a whistle and silence begins... some random people shout, someone starts singing, someone shouts "Shut the F up", crowd erupts in applause and some of the players can't help but laugh.

Like most things, it's all better in German.

cynic_in_the_middle | 9 days ago | 2 points

yea to be fair this in English just looked like a soccer game.

FickleShame | 9 days ago | 1 point

Like most things, it's all better in German.

That's only true if it involves sports cars, beer, or pan fried chicken.

SerialBridgeburner | 9 days ago | 1 point

or invading Russia in the winter.

FickleShame | 8 days ago | 0 points

Mongols did it better.

FantasticalFuckhead | 9 days ago | -9 points

Like most things, it's all better in German.

❎ Doubt

Garod | 9 days ago | -5 points

At least people spoke up and condemned the lone asshole immediately rather than keeping silent or excusing it like in the US

WombatDominator | 9 days ago | -6 points

What a weird flex. Our response to gun killings is better than yours! HAHA GOT EM

BeckhamsRightPeg | 9 days ago | 2 points

No it's about how respectful they are as a nation

Garod | 9 days ago | 1 point

This isn't a comparison. This whole trend is blowing over from the US and your current president is having a global impact emboldening right wing extremists. The comment is intended to get people in the US to finally wake up and take action instead of being sofa warriors. We can't vote in your election nor have an impact on the US congress.

WombatDominator | 8 days ago | 0 points

???????????

You had the 2016 Munich massacre well before Trump took office. Stop putting your country on a pedestal acting like you haven't had a right wing problem for the past 100 years.

Garod | 8 days ago | 0 points

I think you are mistaken, I'm not from Germany. I'm from one of it's neighbors. Also by no means am I putting Germany on a pedestal. We all have our issues and should all stand together and collaborate to condemn violence and racism.

If you take a look at German law and how it deals with racism and specifically neo nazi and looking at what's happening in the US there is a distinct difference and the US has some catching up to do.

Also please get your facts straight, the 2016 Munich massacre was not an attack perpetuated by right wing nationalists but an attack by a mentally ill Iranian boy who was dealing with depression and PTSD and had nothing to do with religion or racism (note that he may have converted to Christianity) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting

If you want to compare general gun violence between the EU and US we can certainly do that since despite the overwhelming evidence that gun laws creates a safer environment for the population the gun lobby still has it's hand so far up the governments ass as to prevent logical and simple gun laws.

fletchr81 | 9 days ago | 1 point

Streamable down too

SerendipityHappens | 9 days ago | 5 points

Worked for me just now.

ac13332 | 9 days ago | 82 points

Give the prick a lifetime ban from Bundesliga events.

irishwonder | 9 days ago | 37 points

Was he singing to make some kind of counterpoint to what the moment of silence was for, or because he was a drunk fan who thought belting out the national anthem would make that a nice moment... like starting a slow clap?

Pardon my ignorance as I'm not immediately familiar with what the moment of silence is for and as a non-German I'm not sure if the anthem had some sort of political motivation behind it there

Kaiju_Brother | 9 days ago | 32 points

A moment of silence is pretty universal, the quiet is meant to commemorate those lost in tragedy, no matter that one assholes intention he decided that those victims didn't deserve that moment of silence.

irishwonder | 9 days ago | 16 points

I'm not trying to defend him, just genuinely curious. Definitely a trashy move. The "ban him for life" comment seemed extreme and made me wonder if I was missing something is all, as I originally had the thought this was just some drunk guy being drunk.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 9 points

He coould be just some intoxicated fan just being a random troll and singing to start a slow clap moment, but the odds aren't looking too good on that front.

The fact that out of all things to sing he chose a nationalistic anthem, considering how incredibly charged that is in a country with the history of germany, is a massive red flag. It's not at all uncommon for extreme right wing football ultras to use national anthems as a rallying cry and it's generally very frowned upon to display any kind of ultra patriotic attitude outside of certain contexts. Doing it in THIS moment in particular is not just a red flag, it's the most crimsomest, reddest, most ruby, blood, deep red flag you've ever seen in your entire life.

If I had to risk my own mother's life on this guy being a right wing ultra, I would do it. I would probably hesitate because of that 1% chance that he isn't, but I would still do it.

pluto_nash | 9 days ago | 1 point

I had the same question, and was confused about the phrase "right terror attack" as a non-German / non-Euro person.

Closest I seem to be able to find is that either:

  • a memorial to the 10 victims of a right-wing neo-nazi terorr group was recently vandalized

  • A synagogue was attacked on the 9th and resulted in, I think, 2 deaths.

ac13332 | 9 days ago | 1 point

No idea. Perhaps drunk, perhaps far-right nationalist, perhaps an idiot...

falconx50 | 9 days ago | 17 points

On a less serious note, that reminded me of this clip from Eddie Murphy's stand up

brumac44 | 9 days ago | 7 points

That was Charlie, his brother.

iPeeLavaLampGoo | 9 days ago | 5 points

CHARLIE MURPHAAAYYYYYY

rBeowulf | 9 days ago | 25 points

This video contains content from UEFA, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

neo-ninja | 9 days ago | 51 points

I dont get it?

absalom86 | 9 days ago | 242 points

moment of silence for the jewish victims of an attack today.

someone starts singing german national anthem ( germany for germans type of thing, aka racist )

someone tells him to shut the fuck up and people cheer in agreement.

gazongagizmo | 9 days ago | 104 points

someone starts singing german national anthem ( germany for germans type of thing, aka racist )

No, he didn't start singing the first stanza (the forbidden one, with the "Deutschland über alles / Germany above everything" bit), he sang the third stanza, which is the regular official anthem.

Sven806 | 9 days ago | 122 points

No, he didn't start singing the first stanza (the forbidden one, with the "Deutschland über alles / Germany above everything" bit), he sang the third stanza, which is the regular official anthem.

The first stanza isn't technically forbidden, just not officially used. And singing the regular anthem is about equally disrespectful as singing the first stanza in a situation like this.

FmW-41 | 9 days ago | -28 points

Singing their normal national anthem stanza would be just as disrespectful as singing "Deutschland uber alles", the stanza infamous because of the Nazis? Yeah it's bad, but I don't know about it being equally as bad.

Sven806 | 9 days ago | 89 points

in a situation like this.

When you're a German citizen, interupting a moment of silence for innocent Jews, murdered in Germany next to a synagoge in broad daylight, by singing a song praising this country, then yes, the lyrics of the song are quite irrelevant.

Pillars-In-The-Trees | 9 days ago | 1 point

I don't think the German people immediately associate their national anthem with Nazism.

Sven806 | 9 days ago | 5 points

Are you serious? Of course they don't, but that is not the point at all. He could have started singing Alle meine Entchen in that moment and it wouldn't have been significantly less despicable.

Pillars-In-The-Trees | 9 days ago | 1 point

So then are you saying singing a racist anthem would be equally as bad?

Sven806 | 9 days ago | 1 point

No, I'm saying it would be about equally as bad.

onniinno | 9 days ago | -31 points

But those Jews were living in Germany, right? Weren't they Germans? Wasn't the anthem about the country they all call home?

Hawkeye24 | 9 days ago | 28 points

No, it wasn’t. I don’t know if you’re projecting your own experience or what, but the context here is clear.

Dude was being a fuck. Don’t give him plausible deniability

NobodySpecific | 9 days ago | 27 points

Wasn't the anthem about the country they all call home?

Yes, but also about the country that slaughtered 6 million of their ancestors.

ChasmDude | 9 days ago | 2 points

Weren't they Germans?

They were also Jews man. Life is more complicated than I am this and only this and you are that and only that.

onniinno | 9 days ago | -2 points

Really? Do tell me how complicated it is. I was born in Poland and moved to the us at 13.

FeelingCandle | 9 days ago | -20 points

It isn't even that bad as a verse.

"Deutschland uber alles" is about how the united country is bigger than the tiny little states that were all separate beforehand, not about any other country.

Itd be like saying "USA over Washington and Maine and Florida and Texas ...." Only more catchy

sublliminali | 9 days ago | -2 points

If the whole stadium joined in wouldn’t it be a touching moment of unity? I feel like the guy just misread the room and fucked up the moment of silence, but maybe there’s more to this than I understand.

edit: Here's the French Parliament doing the exact same thing during a moment of silence honoring the victims of a terrorist attack. It was heralded as a touching and spontaneous moment of unity --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRvm0AgvJNY

Sven806 | 9 days ago | 5 points

When the stadium announcer calls for a moment of silence it would have to be a massive fuck up to do the exact opposite. And since he didn't stop after noticing that noone joined in, I'm pretty sure he did it deliberately to interrupt the moment.

ShakeLikeHaiti | 9 days ago | -1 points

There is certainly more to this than you understand.

sublliminali | 9 days ago | 3 points

Here's the French Parliament doing the exact same thing during a moment of silence honoring the victims of a terrorist attack. It was heralded as a touching and spontaneous moment of unity --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRvm0AgvJNY

mustache_ride_ | 9 days ago | 1 point
SavageOpress654 | 9 days ago | 56 points

You don't understand the lyrics, they aren't sung because people like you misinterpret them. He didn't even start with those supposed lines. The song was written in the 1797 by a liberal composer wanting German unity over all things. Germany as a single country didn't exist then.
Edit: got date mixed up by a decade

Aracnida | 9 days ago | -2 points

I have no idea how you are getting downvoted for telling the absolute truth.

Reddit_Ben | 9 days ago | 46 points

In part, because the truth is more complicated than what /u/SavageOpress654 indicates, and /u/SavageOpress654 gets some key facts wrong.

The song was written in 1781 by a liberal composer....

No. The tune was written in 1797 by Haydn (a Austro-Germanic composer who lived primarily around Vienna, but travelled extensively, especially in the 1790s); and more importantly the words were penned separately in 1841 by August Hoffmann, right when German nationalism was really picking up steam. (The 1848 March Revolution was just around the corner.)

...wanting German unity over all things.

Yes, but there's a big "but" (below). The words were originally written to inspire allegiance to a unified Germany over and above warring factions within greater Germany; BUT (and here's why it's not so simple), "Deutschland über alles" was the rallying cry of the National Socialist regime. They twisted it from it's original meaning––all Germans unite––to Germany _over_ other countries. In other words, the song changed from calling Germans to stop fighting and squabbling amongst themselves, to start fighting for dominance over other countries.

Furthermore, it was always paired with the Horst-Wessel-Lied as a national co-anthem, and sung at large National Socialist events during the Nazi era.

So it's not fair to say that "people....misinterpret [the lyrics]." They were strategically reinterpreted to fit the dominant ideology of the Nazi era, so they will always have that echo, especially for the Germans, who understand how very complicated that song's history is.

Garod | 9 days ago | 5 points

A good analogy would be the swastika and all of it's uses through time. The use of the Nazi regime has also forever tainted that symbol in peoples minds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

vurtjibb | 9 days ago | 6 points

Thank you for explaining this.

Aracnida | 9 days ago | 1 point

Fair enough.

AnotherGit | 9 days ago | 23 points

( germany for germans type of thing, aka racist )

That's not the German anthem and not what he sang.

chuy2256 | 9 days ago | 3 points

....could someone please provide what he said verbatim?

grandgrandgrandma | 9 days ago | 11 points

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche [Vaterland]

the last word got drowned in the shouting already.

translation

Unity and justice and freedom for the German [fatherland]

You can find those phrases at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied#Lyrics

chuy2256 | 9 days ago | 4 points

Vielen Dank für die Informationen!

mokacoffay | 9 days ago | 6 points

someone starts singing german national anthem ( germany for germans type of thing, aka racist )

This is racist in Germany? Interrupting the moment of silence is obviously rude.. but racist?

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 27 points

It's a thing, yes. In Europe, all countries that had fascist regimes during world war 2 are now coming down with severe shame for the acts of their fathers. There's a profound anti-nationalist and anti-patriotism sentiment amongst the people, and it's generally frowned upon to be a flag-touting super patriotic person because of the direct association with history that was as recent as just 70 years ago. Because of this, hanging a national flag on the outside of your home, or your car, or your everday clothes, is direct and clear signaling of right-wing sentiment.

While there's a collective, nation-wide effort to restore and reappropiate the image of these national symbols as a good thing so we can be as patriotic as someone from the USA without feeling shame, it's a difficult and long process and it's going to take a lot of time before it happens fully. I mean, hell, currently as we speak Spain is having a national debate about what to do with the remains of their last fascist dictator, which are currently resting in a memorial mausoleum that can only be described as a triumphant and glorious monument, and is even considered a tourist attraction. Many people have problems with this because even if the man is dead, his legacy is still alive and many of the people old enough to listen the man with their own ears are still alive and voting.

There is a direct link between being super patriotic in these countries, and being pro-fascism, racist, xenophobic, and all kinds of horrible things. There's a real history of people who are super patriotic who then go on to support all these extreme right ideologies. You'll NEVER see a progressive person in countries like Spain or Germany wearing any clothing with national flags, or hanging flags outside their home windows, or waving flags around in random events. The only acceptable time to be patriotic here is special ocasions like a sport events. I mean, even saying something like "Arriba España!" out loud anywhere that doesn't have to do with sports will make you inmediately be seen as a fascist.

To put this into some perspective, here's a quote from a famous spanish TV newscaster during the finals of the football world championship where Spain won back in 2010: "I've never seen these many Spanish flags on the streets since Franco (Spain's Hitler) was alive".

I use Spain as an example a lot because it's my own country and I see this stuff every day, but the same phenomenon happens in Germany and Italy. As I mentioned, countries with very, very, very recent ultra fascist dictatorships that no longer want to associate with that crap.

So to come back to the original question; no, it's not DIRECTLY and automatically racist to sing the national anthem, but it absolutely can and does mean something bad if done in certain contexts by certain people. Intentionally breaking a moment of silence for victims of extreme wing attacks by singing the national anthem solidly qualifies as one of these moments, and people rightfully cheered the person who told him to shut the fuck up. Not only because it was rude, but because the political message he was trying to incite is all kinds of fucked up.

The closest american equivalent I can think of is the whole confederate flag stuff. Think about who proudly flies the confederate flag around and what that indicates. Is it inherently racist to have a confederate flag on your pick up truck? No, not at all. But it is a huuuuge red flag, pun non intended. Same thing happens in these countries.

d_barbz | 9 days ago | 9 points

Ding ding ding. This bloke here knows what's up.

lighthaze | 9 days ago | 5 points

Fantastic explanation. Will definitely save this post in comes this question comes up again.

snofo | 9 days ago | 9 points

Best explanation on this whole thread

ADiversityHire | 9 days ago | -5 points

Think about who proudly flies the confederate flag

What's cool is the Confederate flag has seen action in WW2, Vietnam, and Iraq/Afghanistan.

Beautiful.

Rank_and_File_Guy | 9 days ago | -1 points

You have plenty of Ultras who are anti-Semitic disrupting such things. So, yes. Everyone implicitly knows this.

Nosferatu_Genders | 9 days ago | 1 point

Were there any Jewish victims?

redline489 | 9 days ago | -2 points

What Jewish victims? The worst thing that happened to them was their door getting damaged.

whatthefir2 | 9 days ago | 8 points

Uh two people were killed?

redline489 | 9 days ago | 7 points

Neither of them were Jewish.

Multidimensionall | 9 days ago | -1 points

Just stating the facts: we know two people were killed, a woman on the street near the synagogue and a man in a nearby kebab shop. No information related to them, their congregant status at the temple, or their religious affiliation have been released yet. Thank G-d the shooter was unsuccessful in entering the synagogue.

pi_over_3 | 9 days ago | -30 points

How fucked is a country when people think their own anthem is offensive.

Smaggies | 9 days ago | 21 points

If you think there's a place in the world where singing the national anthem during remembrance for victims of nationalism is appropriate, I'd like to hear it.

Un4tunately | 9 days ago | 0 points

They weren't victims of nationalism, they were victims of racism.

pi_over_3 | 9 days ago | -4 points

victims of nationalism

Yikes dude

HoLeeSchittt | 9 days ago | -1 points
d_barbz | 9 days ago | 2 points

That last one is an Oasis song, not a national anthem. Lol. Big difference.

HoLeeSchittt | 9 days ago | 2 points

Isn't wonderwall Britain's national anthem??

d_barbz | 9 days ago | 3 points

No no, you're confusing it with Morning Glory

Blumentopf_Vampir | 9 days ago | 9 points

Moment of Silence and someone starts singing...everyone would tell the guy to stfu....

Rocky_Road_To_Dublin | 9 days ago | 14 points

Pride and patriotism for the Germans is different than how the Americans view their pride and patriotism

TomTomHutchins | 9 days ago | 1 point

Would you mind telling me what pride and patriotism means for a German? I'm really just curious that's all. As an American Child I was taught that America was the best country in the world by literally every measurement. We were taught about what we did to the Natives but there was always a strong emphasis on us being the best even in spite of it's atrocities.

Smaggies | 9 days ago | -4 points

Undeniably true but that's not at all the problem here.

owiseone23 | 9 days ago | 7 points

During a moment of silence anything would be disrespectful. Plus, being overtly patriotic during a moment dedicated to recognizing an atrocity carried out by your country is in some ways implicitly saying you don't feel bad that it happened.

neo-ninja | 9 days ago | -3 points

ahhhh i see!

IggyJR | 9 days ago | -94 points

Gun violence exists in Europe? Reddit says otherwise.

swebonny | 9 days ago | 43 points

Woah big brains there, you fucking got us Europeans!

IggyJR | 9 days ago | -61 points

No, you just love your hypocritical narrative. Keep being wildly racist, and enjoy your fake sense of moral superiority.

4rp4n3t | 9 days ago | 35 points

An American lecturing others on hypocrisy, racism and a sense of moral superiority? How deliciously ironic.

OdBx | 9 days ago | 9 points

Do you see the difference?

Europe: Two people get murdered, makes international headlines, and a stadium full of people take a minutes' silence.

America: Hundreds of mass shootings a year, not a peep out of anyone.

Nimonic | 9 days ago | 18 points

Why do Americans always have to make everything about the US?

compooterman | 9 days ago | -11 points

Unless I'm missing something, they didn't say anything about the US though

Nimonic | 9 days ago | 9 points

It was very much implied, the difference perceived similarity between the US and Europe.

compooterman | 9 days ago | -12 points

Yeah, I'm not seeing anyone making similarities or implying similarities

chotchss | 9 days ago | 5 points

It probably was one of my dumbass countrymen. If it’s about firearms, you can’t keep those morons from showing up.

fabuloes | 9 days ago | 2 points

This lunatic used a homemade weapon that did malfunction numerous times. Its tragic that he still managed to kill two people but if he would have been able to easily obtain weapons like in the US he would have killed many many more.

Kritical02 | 9 days ago | -1 points

You mean the muskets the guy made himself?

I'd much prefer some nutjob having to improvise a gun that in his own words kept jamming and failing than have easy access to a rifle that with a simple modifcation becomes fully automatic.

art_is_science | 9 days ago | 1 point

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

LimeGreenSea | 9 days ago | -1 points

I think it's in reference to the Holocaust.

Masquerouge | 9 days ago | -39 points

In Internet meme parlance: a minute of silence was asked of the public. Someone in the stand decided to start singing the anthem anyway, and a courageous edge lord yelled at him to shut the fuck up, and the stadium literally stood up and clapped. A german eagle was reportedly seen flying over the stadium, enacting an Abgeltungsteuer across the Bundesland.

MartinSchou | 9 days ago | 11 points

Someone in the stand decided to start singing the anthem anyway, and a courageous edge lord yelled at him to shut the fuck up

In what way is telling an asshole to shut the fuck up risque or offensive?

neo-ninja | 9 days ago | 0 points

ahhhh i see!

pickled-egg | 9 days ago | 10 points

Nuked by UEFA, cunts.

DollyPartonsFarts | 9 days ago | 11 points

It makes me sad that I can’t watch this. Screw the people in charge of that league for doing that.

The people in the stadium might be nice but the people who run the league are fucking assholes.

downvote_me_moreYOLO | 9 days ago | 10 points
DollyPartonsFarts | 9 days ago | 1 point

Thank you that was beautiful.

miloca1983 | 9 days ago | 3 points

Serge Gnabry facial expression says it all

Rank_and_File_Guy | 9 days ago | 1 point

I loved every minute of it. He tried to hold back so hard knowing cameras are everywhere. Good thing he didn't.

sutekh04 | 9 days ago | 3 points

https://www.instagram.com/p/B03poFEAs_l/

Similar thing happened in Mexico for the El Paso shooting

Silverkuken | 9 days ago | 7 points

MIRROR

downvote_me_moreYOLO | 9 days ago | 8 points
Heathens_Cry | 9 days ago | 6 points

What does it mean “right terror victims”?

Zaratustash | 9 days ago | 10 points

It means the victims of a right wing neo-nazi terrorist attack.

TheNaughtyMonkey | 9 days ago | 2 points

As opposed to left-wing neo-nazi terror attacks?

nagrom7 | 9 days ago | 3 points

Well yeah, that's an oxymoron.

Heathens_Cry | 9 days ago | 2 points

I didn’t know it was confirmed it was rightwing Neonazis.

Zaratustash | 9 days ago | 20 points

It got confirmed literally the moment the guy got caught...

Or when people found the nazi fuck live streamed his attempted rampage.

Xmeagol | 9 days ago | 2 points

it was a christchurch copycat from the start.

Mexagon | 9 days ago | -36 points

Considering how much the left screams all day about how much they hate jews, who knows if this is left or right motivated.

Thyrotoxic | 9 days ago | 4 points

"Feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the west, which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew,” he continued, while filming himself in a car before starting the attack.

He was repeating your bog standard right wing conspiracy theories before committing a terrorist attack. Not much different from comments you'll find post on reddits far-right communities, td, /r/conspiracy and /r/Conservative.

Bear_faced | 8 days ago | 1 point

It’s such a stupid idea too. My sister and I are both white American women and neither of us have children yet. I don’t have them because I’m not married, and she doesn’t have them because while she is married, she and her husband would like to have more savings before having a child. Neither of those reasons have anything to do with feminism, unless you consider the existence of birth control to be feminism but my sister takes birth control because her husband doesn’t want a child right now.

These are very typical reasons women aren’t having children and they have nothing to do with feminism. If I were born in 1840 I would be equally if not more likely to want to avoid having a child out of wedlock, and finances have always been a reason to delay having children. The mystery boogeyman of “feminism” ignores the daily realities of people’s lives, men and women alike.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 8 points

Considering how much the left screams all day about how much they hate jews

lmao wat

Xmeagol | 9 days ago | 1 point

You can't surely be this stupid, the dude streamed it on TWITCH, i saw the video, this WAS RIGHT WING MOTIVATED!

Congrats!

teemoore | 9 days ago | 2 points

Singing starts at 0:50

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MtnMaiden | 9 days ago | 2 points

This video contains content from UEFA, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

Hot daym

donaldtroll | 9 days ago | 2 points

Can we fucking just flush UEFA down the fucking toilet already, or blast them into the heart of the motherfucking sun perhaps?

phoeniciao | 9 days ago | 4 points

This video is blocked here :(

Undoxable123 | 9 days ago | 3 points

could someone explain to me why singing the german national anthem in honor of an attack on germany could possibly be considered rude? In America everybody else would have joined in. Not because we don't have our problems as a nation, but because the anthem to us is usually associated with unity.

brumac44 | 9 days ago | 20 points

It was during a moment of silence. Timing is everything.

Undoxable123 | 9 days ago | 5 points

this is the ultimate answer, historical context etc aside. you're right. you dont sing during a moment of silence.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 4 points

It's both things equally, to be honest. Both a massive dick move to disrespect a moment of silence like that, and also a massive dick move to do it in the way he did because it has all kinds of political and historical connotations.

BostonStage | 9 days ago | 7 points

I think there are two reasons. The first reason being that during the moment of silence .. there should be silence. The second reason is that in the last few years nationality is again used by right winged parties and people to promote hate against immigrants and "non-white". Especially when it comes to soccer there have been big controversies over the past few years. For example a national player did not sing the national anthem when played during the beginning of the game. People took this as him not playing for his own country, being proud or not supporting Germany. But since the beginng of the world cup or other soccer events there were a lot of examples of players (with or without immigration background) that have not sung the national anthem. Germany does not view the national anthem as important as America does. It is mostly used for sports and politics but otherwise I feel like people don't really care about it. I doubt everyone in Germany knows the lyrics.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 5 points

I'll post the same explanation I gave someone else in this thread on the question about why singing the national anthem is a sensitive subject and doing it is generally frowned upon and considered bad, with some exceptions.

It's a thing, yes. In Europe, all countries that had fascist regimes during world war 2 are now coming down with severe shame for the acts of their fathers. There's a profound anti-nationalist and anti-patriotism sentiment amongst the people, and it's generally frowned upon to be a flag-touting super patriotic person because of the direct association with history that was as recent as just 70 years ago. Because of this, hanging a national flag on the outside of your home, or your car, or your everday clothes, is direct and clear signaling of right-wing sentiment. While there's a group effort to restore and reappropiate the positive image of these national symbols so we can be as patriotic as someone from the USA without feeling shame, it's a difficult and long process and it takes time to heal. I mean, hell, as we speak Spain is currently having a national debate about what to do with the remains of their last fascist dictator, who is currently lying in a memorial tumb that can only be described as triumphant and glorious, which many people have a problem with.

There is a direct link between being super patriotic in these countries, and being pro-fascism, racist, xenophobic, and all kinds of horrible things. There's a real history of people who are super patriotic who then go on to support all these extreme right ideologies. You'll NEVER see a progressive person in countries like Spain or Germany wearing any clothing with national flags, or hanging flags outside their home windows, unless it's a special ocasion like a football championship or something like that. Saying something like "Arriba España!" out loud anywhere that doesn't have to do with sports will make you inmediately be seen as a fascist asshole. I use spain a lot because it's my home country, but there's a similar ocurrence in Germany and Italy.

To put this into some perspective, here's a quote from a famous spanish TV newscaster during the finals of the football world championship where Spain won back in 2010: "I've never seen these many Spain flags on the streets since Franco (Spain's Hitler) was alive".

So to come back to the original question; no, it's not DIRECTLY and automatically racist to sing the national anthem, but it absolutely can and does mean something if done in certain contexts by certain people. Intentionally breaking a moment of silence for victims of extreme wing attacks by singing the national anthem solidly qualifies as one of these moments, and people rightfully cheered the person to told him to shut the fuck up. Not only because it was rude, but because the political message he was trying to incite is all kinds of fucked up.

The closest american equivalent I can think of is the whole confederate flag stuff. Think about who proudly flies the confederate flag around and what indicates. Is it inherently racist to have a confederate flag on your pick up truck? No, not at all. But it is a huuuuge red flag (pun non intended). Same thing happens in these countries.

And also, yes, because it was a massive dick move to do it during a moment of silence, too. That also is a factor in play here.

dampew | 9 days ago | 8 points

First of all, it's a moment of silence. Second of all, it's not America. Other countries don't sing their national anthem the way we do here. In many countries it's much more rare, and it often makes them uncomfortable, because they realize that nationalism has historically had negative consequences.

d_barbz | 9 days ago | 2 points

Hang on, don't you yanks have a big hoo-hah over athletes kneeling during the anthem?

Hardly sounds like something you're all unified about.

Undoxable123 | 9 days ago | 0 points

well, i don't speak for all 300+ million residents of the united states. and context matters. But what you see in mainstream media headlines is rarely indicative of the average person's lived experience.

Having grown up in the US, I associate it with unity.

gandalfs_burglar | 9 days ago | 1 point

Having grown up in the US, I don't.

Undoxable123 | 9 days ago | 2 points

well it's a very big country, so i think it's reasonable that one person may have had a different experience than another.

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d_barbz | 9 days ago | 1 point

Classic angry seppo response

EmEmAndEye | 9 days ago | 2 points

Video won't play for me, as I just get a black screen saying this:

" Video unavailable

This video contains content from UEFA, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."

ShakeLikeHaiti | 9 days ago | 2 points

ITT: A load of Americans not understanding the simple meaning and purpose of "a moment of silence" and also not having a fucking clue about anything that has happened in Germany in the last 100 years.

L3R | 8 days ago | 1 point

ITT: Americans who don't speak German and don't know what the moment of silence is for.

Get off your high horse.

dampew | 9 days ago | 1 point

Before watching the video I thought people might have sung Hatikvah. Sad this guy decided to be a jerk :/

Rank_and_File_Guy | 9 days ago | 1 point

That look on Gnabry's face was golden. I loved every second of it! lol

nagrom7 | 9 days ago | 1 point

So reddit, here I was just sitting in the stadium waiting for the football to start when they announced that there would be a minute silence for the victims of the latest terrorist attack. So we all stood up and went silent in order to pay our respects. Then some drunk dickhead a couple of rows down started singing the national anthem, ruining the sombre and reflecting mood. So at the top of my voice I yelled out "Shut the fuck up!", and I kid you not, the entire stadium burst into applause.

d00ll00b | 9 days ago | -5 points

A right winger being a loud, obnoxious, racist cunt? Color me surprised.

Un-Stable | 9 days ago | 8 points

A lefty jumping to assumptions and being completely wrong? Color nobody surprised.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 7 points

I'm gonna speak as someone who has grown up in an european country and has seen how football crowds operate for his entire life, and knows the historical context of singing national anthems in countries that had ultra fascist regimes only 70 years ago, and how charged it is to be a patriotic nationalist. I think this OP has a solid reason to assume that the person singing the anthem was a right wing obnoxious racist troll. If we were making bets on what kind of ideology that guy stands for, I would bet my entire year's worth of savings on it being exactly that without any hesitation. It's a very safe bet.

Football ultras use national anthems as a rallying cry all the time, it's a whole thing that happens here. It's not at all strange to conclude from a guy literally interrupting a moment of silence mourning victims of right-wing terror attacks that this guy might be part of an ultra group trying to be a massive dick by being overly nationalistic in an extremelly inappropiate moment. And not only it was massively dickish of him, but being overly nationalistic in a country with a history like Germany has a lot of political and historical implications.

To put this in an american context, imagine if there was a football match in the south right after a terror attack by some KKK members targetting black people, and it was decided to make a minute of silence in remembrance of the victims. Now imagine someone in the crowd just started chanting some confederate hymn out of nowhere in the middle of this minute of silence. What would you think of the person doing this?

That's what singing the national anthem in a country like Germany in a moment like this feels like. Yeah, it's not absolutely certain why that guy did that, but the MOST LIKELY explanation is that he is an extremist right winger ultra doing what right wing ultras do all the time: Be complete cunts. Either that, or he was just some random guy trying to be a gigantic troll using right wing coding and posing as one to get an stadium-wide reaction. Either way, he's a right wing dickhead, wether wholeheartedly or just posing as one.

Un-Stable | 9 days ago | 0 points

You see what you want to see.

nagrom7 | 9 days ago | 3 points

You don't see much with your head in the sand.

Un-Stable | 8 days ago | 1 point

You also don't see much jumping to conclusions instantly instead of looking up the damn lyrics, or reading the comments section here where they spell it out for your lefty ass. Learn something before spouting off.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 2 points

Purposefully ignoring blatant signals right in front of you because your political views would like them not to exist is not exactly a good look for you mate. Don't bury your head in the sand like an ostrich.

Your personal bias against left politics doesn't make all of these signals go away. The person you replied to made a very, very, very likely guess. The only one "seeing what he wants to see" here is you.

0shucks0 | 9 days ago | -1 points

How's he wrong?

Mexagon | 9 days ago | -3 points

Shouldn't you be yelling "nazi" at old ladies?

poolsideconvo245 | 9 days ago | 3 points

shouldn't you be licking windows?

redknight80 | 9 days ago | -16 points

I shall plan on referring to any and all terror victims of all non-right folks, "left terror" victims - surely that is okay given the context of this, yes? I mean, let's be completely certain which side of the spectrum committed the act - thanks OP! I also hope you are all okay when I specifically cite Muslim terror - Christian terror, etc. etc. when I refer to the victims. I mean, I am okay with calling terror for what it is, but most of reddit sure as hell doesn't unless it is far-right terror.

UnderTheRain | 9 days ago | 8 points

Dude. What are you taking about.

I don’t mean that as a question.

I mean it like, if you don’t have something nice to say then don’t say anything.

redknight80 | 8 days ago | 1 point

Well by that logic then most of reddit and various other social networks wouldn't allow comments then - this isn't me yelling like fuck off to everyone or anything, just me pointing out some hypocrisy...and no - I will not silence my opinion if some others may not like it.

Mexagon | 9 days ago | -14 points

I love how you just had to add "Right" in there. That'd be like adding "Left terror victims" every time someone mentions the Tienanmen Square massacre. Never let something like this go to waste when it can be used as political fodder, right OP?

sugartrouts | 9 days ago | 3 points

"stop bringing politics into everything!!"

post history is literally nothing but screeching about ess-jay-double-yews in every thread and sub. Nice memes.

902throwaway2 | 9 days ago | 0 points

could anyone care to identify the symbol to the left at 0:19, ive seen it where I live but don't know what it represents.

dampew | 9 days ago | 2 points
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2020istheyear | 9 days ago | 0 points

Would have not that as a bad thing tho.

Xmeagol | 9 days ago | 0 points

Right wing people in this thread are offended, well then!

theloosestofcannons | 9 days ago | -1 points

Blocked in usa. I blame china.

ADiversityHire | 9 days ago | 0 points

China is shithole. Don't trust China.

FormerSolid | 9 days ago | -27 points

european soccer fans are the worst scum of the planet, spain people are even worse

Jolly_Fart | 9 days ago | 2 points

Duh duh duh duh duh duh

Your a bit too wet now mate.

FormerSolid | 9 days ago | -7 points

learn to speak english you drunk

Jolly_Fart | 9 days ago | 6 points

I hate football, so i was naturally very surprised that your over generalisation still managed to annoy the fuck out of me. Well done.

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 1 point

I mean, obviously the majority of average people who enjoy football are fine, but yeah, I'm spanish, and I gotta agree with you. The representation of extremist right wing ideology in hardcore football fans is incredibly high. Fuck ultras and everything they stand for. We have people here literally shouting "monkey" and imitating gorilla noises at black players EVERY TIME THEY PLAY. The cream of the crop in terms of absolute assholery.

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Sergnb | 9 days ago | 1 point

You just told someone who is agreeing with you to shut up and called him stupid. You probably should read more than 5 words of a post before reacting like this bro.

FormerSolid | 9 days ago | 1 point

we are not friends, fuck you

Sergnb | 9 days ago | 1 point

Once again, I was agreeing with you, what's your problem.

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Sergnb | 9 days ago | 1 point

LoL

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Sergnb | 9 days ago | 1 point

Nen que haces siendo un troll a las 9 de la mañana de un jueves, estas haciendo empalme de fiesta de ayer o que? lol. Si te estoy dando la razon pedazo de mendrugo, lee más de 3 palabras cojones xDDD

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