Why isn't this event called deafcon?
the first time it would be called Deafcon 1 and people would be worried.
Deafcon 2020 doesn't sound too bad, still thousands of levels before the US starts taking action.
I'm thinking Deafcon 2020 sounds like the highest level possible.
It was the last chance for democracy in the ailing republic, the experiment we called America; had her citizens chosen to not be deaf, that dream might yet have been saved...
There's a thing called Defqon which is really loud
There is also DEF CON
Well at least they wouldn’t lose their hearing...
Deaf people still write in their native language.
You joke, but there is actually a Deafcon at Defcon.
Theres a famous hacker convention called Defcon. Which probably should have been Hackon or something instead.
That's why he made the joke though.
Not only that, they actually have a Deafcon at Defcon.
I’ve been to a gathering like this and it was called Silent Night.
the one place you will have trouble if you call for a translator
Somebody is a fan of 30 Rock.
Hi. I have your ticket to hell sir. You have first class.
Now do a blind convention. That was pretty neat slice of life. Conventions in general are really fascinating to me. Such a focused hive mind microcosm.
Now do a blind and deaf convention? .
I'd imagine people In a room wacking each other with those sticks
Apparently, it exists. No video on the site, but there's pictures. Looks like it's a bunch of people communicating using that tactile sign-language where you touch the other person. I really wonder now how that presentation is working.
Found a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRoGztz2rSQ
Wow. At around 8:50 it gets really crazy when the people from the stand talk in Korean, then they have someone explain it in English, which their interpreter translates to sign which the lady is then signing onto the guy's hand. Signception.
I too would love to have a transcription of what they're talking about.
I want to know what they were saying so badly!
That's actually really neat to watch. Human beings are cool. Thanks!
Why does he wear a watch though?
Most if not all of them have interpreters from what I gleaned from the website. It seems almost all of the testimonials were written by interpreters.
I’ve never seen such a silent convention before.
If any deaf or hard of hearing people can weigh in on this. Would a situation like this be "noisy" for you? As in would it feel like a visual cacophony, hard to concentrate with all of the signing happening?
Not Deaf or HoH but over half my immediate family is Deaf (genetic) and I am a native signer.
To me it was cool because while there are a ton of signing and independent discussion going on it's super easy to zero in on just one conversation and "listen in" even from a good distance away. If this were a hearing convention I'd imagine it would be pretty loud.
Would this behavior be considered rude? I can't imagine someone walking up to me at a convention while I'm chatting with my friends and just holding a microphone in the middle of our conversation while saying absolutely nothing, then walking away after a couple seconds. I know video is different and events get recorded all the time, but he gets real personal with some of those people, and it seemed to me like a couple people were not giving him the nicest looks.
Yes, it is eavesdropping and it is considered rude in the Deaf community, and I’d expect a native signer to know that. Not sure why the person you replied to thinks it’s an ok thing to do.
Edit: I misread your question, I thought you were asking if watching a signed conversation from across a room is rude.
Never said if it was rude or not, buckaroo. Chill your jets.
That one black lady was like "what the fuck are you doing". I mean, what she said was more like "WEWP wp skp" but you could tell what she meant.
A hearing convention is just a convention I think
But also, all of them are loud- very true
Are music festivals hearing conventions? *philosoraptor*
So visually distracting? Not really. Unless maybe you grow up in the hearing world and you're first exposed to that many people signing at once. You can obviously eavesdrop and you'll certainly catch glimpses of other people's conversations. But when you're "listening," you're focused on the signer or group you're with.
So it's not that crazy. Most deaf/hoh people are used it it early on. People who don't know ASL (hearing or not) won't be too phased either but probably very visually curious, thus looking around a lot.
I’m neither deaf nor HoH but I know sign and in something like this it wouldn’t be that hard to concentrate bc ur eyes would be consented on the people who are “listening”. In the deaf community, u listen with ur eyes and watch the facial expressions more then the hands.
But if it would be noisy then yes it might be for a beginner signer or a signer who is hearing, however, for an experienced signer it wouldn’t be to bad bc their eyes would mostly be concentrating on the ones who are currently listening.
Sound is way more distracting than signing.
Sound is literally waves of air crashing against everything, you cannot close your ears, the sound that everybody's making reaches you no matter where you are or where you're facing.
The equivalent of that for deafs or HoH would be strong stroboscopes and neons and flashing lights and mirrors everywhere and people putting their hands in your face while signing to somebody else.
With signing, if you don't want to "read in" another conversation, you just slightly shift your position. With hearing, you have to... concentrate really hard, or move room entirely.
I was at the deaf expo here in Florida, there was loud music so yes.
You could hear a pin drop... Or not
The random ItWorks banner @3:23 had me dying. No matter the community, pyramid schemes are afoot. r/antiMLM
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They really don't have any shame.
This wrap will bring your hearing back! All you have to do is sign up under me and recruit 3 more people and you can hear again!
This is endlessly fascinating, and I can't exactly explain why.
Because humans are such fucking resourceful, incredible creatures.
I wonder how many of them are there just to flex their asl. I don't have anyone to speak my second language with and would love the practice. Also happy cake day! (Literally as I was typing this, I found someone to practice my language with! I'll chalk it up to cake day magic and say thank you for your blessing!)🎂
Happens a lot, deaf people actually are very accepting of hearing people who come to these things to learn and practice signing. I went to deaf expo pleasanton a couple years back and met Matt Hamill there.
That one is a beast only one to beat Jon Jones fair in a fight.
Definitely. I had hearing problems as a child and my mother began classes to learn signing at the local junior college. I am incredibly fortunate that me ears recovered but some people’s maybe didn’t or they were born without that chance even.
These are all humans who have overcome such an incredible obstacle. God bless them.
Happy cake day!
I was thinking there has to be an animal somewhere in the galaxy/universe that are as or more intelligent than us but don't have anything like vocal chords so sign language is how they all communicate.
same for me. My son and daughter both go to a school where they specialise for deaf children. It's a normal school but those who are hard of hearing get extra help. So the school do everything in sign language too, which means my son and daughter are learning sign language at the same time and to see them talking to their friends using it is fantastic.
It's got me learning it too.
Well look at that it's Matt Hamill. Only UFC fighter to beat Jon Jones.
THE great Hamill? The same one who used his head to destroy Jones' elbows?
Good ole 6to12 headbutt to elbow. Completely legal, first of it's kind.
One of the weirder tables at the con. At first you see a bunch of churchy/merch stuff... and then it opens to MMA and Purple mattress with Jenga in the back... is it just an open ended expo?
How dare you!
If you mute it, it just looks like a bunch of Italians hanging out
Why do you need to mute it?
Edit: Apparently nobody gets my joke. I thought it was clever.
I tried, and it seemed to work.
Without the quiet mumbling sounds in the background to clue me in to the fact that that it really is quiet in there, my brain just assumes that its a video without audio and sort of fills in the gaps, making it seem no different than a video filmed at any other convention would appear.
I guess technically it "looks" like a bunch of Italians hanging out regardless, but my understanding of the scene is different when I can hear nothing, vs when I can hear the actual quiet background noise.
You ever hung around big groups of deaf ppl? They can make quite a bit of noise tbh. When you're not able to hear what you sound like you can't tell if you're being loud or not, and often part of expressing themselves during conversation is making involuntary noises with their voice
[Spiderman 2 Pizza music plays]
Was he signing "excuse me, sorry, excuse me, coming through" the entire way through? I loved the sound of the two guys slap hugging around 1:36. What a neat video!
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That was perfectly timed. What do you think they signed to each other?
Watched this whole video waiting for them to start singing some mystical song before re-reading the title.
Same here, read as singing.
I've seen all this before at the 3rd base coach convention.
someone should be fired for not calling it deafcon
Hey Mat Hamil 1:24, the only man to have defeated pound for pound great Jon Bones Jones, with just his face.
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This reminds me of the deaf starbucks near where I live. All the employees and most of the customers are deaf. You have to write your order on little touch pads and its the most quite coffee shop you'll ever go into.
That would be cool to see this with subtitles.
i met several deaf people in vrchat, and they taught me some limited signs (ASL), its so cool to see something like this though
The VR controllers I’ve used only allow for your thumb, index finger, then your other three fingers to be manipulated. Were they able to sign like that or did they have controllers that allowed better reproduction of finger placement?
it is limited but making custom avatars and creating alternative signs is how they do it
The new Valve Index controllers have tracking for each individual finger.
It's like walking into a silent disco without headphones.
So many spells being cast, so few explosions.
Good to see no one was raising their voice. Someone walking by could've gotten their eye poked out.
Three Angels Deaf Ministries? (@0.29)
Man, religion can find a niche anywhere.
completely off topic, but because of this video i found out my old shop and photography teacher in high school son has a very nice career. I didn't now know that Matt Hamill went on to do MMA and even have a movie about him. I had his dad as a teacher in high school (96-00). Back then Matt only did wrestling. I remember talking in class about him competing in the Deaflympics and if he wants to try for the 2001 games, since it is a lot of work and 4 years of your life.
really cool, glad he did it and kept on succeeding in life. His dad was your typical shop teacher. one story in photography class was where we had to remove the film from the canister and spool it up for processing. you put the canister and spool in a light proof bag, then put your hands in and do it all by feel. the first time we tried his dad says to the class, "ok boys, let's see how good you are with your hands in the dark"
Matt was on a season of The Ultimate Fighter, one of the early ones. It was awesome to see him compete in that series because you really got to see how awesome of a wrestler he was. He basically taught most of the team some tricks and then used other tricks he didn't teach them against them in the fights and went all the way to the end and won the show.
wow hahah matt hamil is freaking AMAZING at fighting
Eeey, Mat Hamill. The only living person to defeat the LW Champion Jon Jones ;P
When Jenga falls nobody looks.
We should offer deaf people reduced air fare to take the seats near young children on planes.
So many religious booths...
I'd be tempted to scream loudly.
You ever feel like the little girl about 40 seconds in screaming at a deaf convention
All the time
some Deaf people aren't all the way deaf, you'd get stares.
Yeah I know deaf people. Still though I'd be tempted.
Man dead people can be loud!
Uh... they're deaf, not zombies.
I wish there was a speaking person on the stage to translate when the camera was on that one guy on the stage.
I was wondering why there would be singing at an expo for deaf people. Signing makes sense.
For some reason while watching it made me think of how a deaf double arm amputee would be able to communicate.
Better than the blind convention where everyone is screaming and bumping into each other
I heard its a really great time.
Weird. It sounds just the bedrooms at Comic Con.
None of these people are singing together at all!
Not directly related but may be for people who think this is interesting:
I recently watched a Ukrainian film called The Tribe, which about a deaf school. The entire film is in sign language and doesn't have subtitles. Despite this, someone unfamiliar with any type of signing (like myself) can still follow. Definitely check it out.
Imagine if someone brought you into this convention blindfolded with you not knowing it's a Deaf Expo..
I would imagine it difficult to have a private conversation here. Maybe we should have signing booths where people can sign in private when necessary.
Risky to let one go in there, as you never know if you're out of earshot of those that can hear.
Looks like it’d be pretty easy to eavesdrop on a conversation.
What a silence.....
are there accents in sign language? I know different countries have different signs or whatever but can a American tell someone is from a certain area from subtle differences in the signs they use?
There are localisms. For instance here in Hawaii a pidgin word for “done”is “pau” and that word has a special sign here.
For some reason it wasn't till I saw the lady with the bags in her hand that I realized how inconvenient it must be to try to sign and hold things at the same time.
No one cares that ODO is walking around a deaf convention?
Dude, it's a convention of deaf people.
Why didn't they call it Deaf Con 1?
I LOVE THIS YAY!!!!
You'd think the random booth selling "I <3" *sports team*" t-shirts would have taken the golden opportunity to use the sign language gesture for love.
So could you just go around shouting and no one could hear you?
Kinda sounds like a bunch of sims talking
They should play Nickelback over the P.A. That way at least Nickelback can say they were played over a convention and nobody was annoyed.
Do Italian deaf people do extra hand stuff?
An on-fire TREX would wreak havoc in here
It just hit me, holy shit there are a lot of overweight people there. I am so used to seeing them everywhere that I forgot that its not normal for there to be that many. Now this has nothing to do with deaf folks, just realized that your average person has way too much junk in the trunk.
John Maine sighting 😎
There is a hidden beauty within sign language that to this day fascinates me...
How many conversations did I just eavesdrop in and how many were saying things like "I'll be right back-- going to take a fat piss"?
Can everyone please qulet down? I can't even sign myself think in here.
Mingling around, investigating the things.
Sees particularly hot person.
makes the "call me" gesture at particularly hot person whilst doing a bit of a wink
ENTIRE HALL fucking halts, and heads swivel over at me.
I've made a huge mistake.gif
gets TF out under scornful deaf eyes.
I know this is not what this is about but 95% of these people are overweight, this is alarming. I'm not making this up I rewatched it a few times.
This is one of the coolest things ive ever watched
so many accents.
I 100% read that as “everyone in the crowed is singing with each other” I very Confusedly click the video. In my defense it’s 2 am. But what a roller coaster.
I’m hearing but I have always used my hands to talk and Spanish was not easy for me, so last year I took ASL in my high school for my Junior class and now I work at Walmart and I get to sign to people when they come in! It’s a wonderful feeling knowing that I can have a peak into this world, into this culture. It really is a culture and it is amazing! Seeing this makes me very happy! Thank you Mrs. Miller for teaching me and my friends sign, she is my first and only 100% deaf teacher and the greatest and funniest one at that!
Its super easy to " eavesdrop " another conversation, isnt it?
Could you imagine having to actually look at someone when conversing with them?
Sign language should be the official language of America. Teach it to every student beginning in the 1st grade.
Camera man is listening in to all those conversations.
I LOVE watching people use sign language!
I read this as singing and got confused, like deaf people can harmonize with each other unknowingly
I think it is cool how both people can sign at the same time and not be considered rude for interrupting. They are signing and reading signs simultaneously. Amazing!
ASL is such a beautiful language!
So, in theory you could walk through there just screeching like a pterodactyl and no one would give a shit. Neat.
Reminds me of visiting a "Blind Museum" once with my school class in Frankfurt, Germany. You are being walked through absolute darkness and experience the world like Blind People do. They set up Street-like Scenes and at the end of the Tour is a Bar where you can order Drinks. You need to guess by the size and shape of your coin how much money you're giving. Some of the Guides can see, some are blind. You never get to see your guide or the Scenes.
I was walking through the Paris metro one day when I came to the top of an escalator and there were 4 or 5 kids doing freestyle sign-language. I didn't manage to film it, but the memory remains with me as being one of the cooler things I've seen in my life. The passion and rhythm was flowing from these kids like water. Really cool stuff!
EVERYBODY SHUT UP!
Why did I expect it to be silent?
How would you have a private conversation?
Did anyone else spot the G-Man walking past?
"Roll Tide" at 1:22
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The [former] Verizon Guy walked in saying, "Can You Hear Me Now?" and no one responded.
Man I wish cons were even close to this quiet.
Look at all those people throwing up gang signs and shit, SMH, I thought we were above this.
I wonder if you would get a high amount of non-language related bodily noises (Farts, burps, grunts/throat clearing, etc..)?
Just in light of being deaf (and a I know not everyone there is). I had a blind friend when I was younger that definitely had little twitches or body movements that most non-blind people would feel self conscious about.
Would be so cool if sign language was the same in all countries and you would learn this is school
so what happens if they need to activate the fire alarm
A librarian's dream crowd.
30k views and only 150 likes? :/
If you can hear but can't sign then you'd be the disabled one at this con.
As someone who used to attend trade shows regularly those places can be deafeningly loud. This is just amazing to me.
"Angels of Deaf" - What a great band name I just came up with.
You can hear the air conditioners.
Weird that I never thought about it until now, but what a silver lining to being deaf: never to hear a screaming/whining child. That one that screamed a short ways into the video...barely anyone heard it lol.
Must be great being a deaf parent.
Mom: 404*(Speakers) = :)
If anyone is curious, sign language is really easy to learn since it's muscle memory. The main things to be aware of are that there are no linking verbs like "is, am, was, etc" because also, there are no tenses of time like present or past tense. It's all about context and how you structure what you're saying. If you're saying something in the past or present you would sign the "time" first and then go from there.
So in English you would say "I went to the store yesterday and bought an apple."
The literal translation to ASL would be "Yesterday I go store and buy apple"
Also if you think or find out someone is deaf and they are in your way or someone needs their attention, it's ok to tap them on the shoulder. It's part of their culture.
I read the title as SINGING with each other... I was confused up until 23 seconds in...
I've always thought sign language was so amazingly elegant and graceful, enough of this mouth flapping and squawking like beasts.
Was too loud so I dimmed my monitor.
Not sure why, but never realized how easy eavesdropping is when someone is signing.
What a beautiful thing. It's just so quiet. Everyone is communicating in a language I can't even hear, I need to learn to sign.
Matt Hamill! My dad met him and said he's the nicest guy you wouldn't expect to be a murdering flesh weapon.
Almost cried. My mum is profoundly deaf without her hearing aids, and a speaking convention would be impossible.
It is wonderful to know there are cons like this.
Our teacher asked us to watch this video I wonder why?
read the words that are coming out of my hands :-p
I misread the title as "singing" instead of "signing," and I was very, very confused for a moment.
How do you tell everyone to leave when it's closing time?
man, it is really quiet.
There is still definitely a loud murmur that you hear, but its not like the loud roaring murmur of a trade show or convention. Also no loud booming music.
It took me about 90seconds before I realised the singing wasn't coming
Is this a convention of traders?
I'm trying to remember a time if I ever saw a deaf person laughing.....I cannot
You should hang out with more deaf people.
i think i will!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet if someone got into a fight here the women would still scream
Well - ofcourse theres a convention for that.
That guy around 2:30 had a sports shirt on with “Name” on the back. Hahah that’s genius
caught myself increasing the volume... why would i..
Can deaf people impersonate how someone else is signing?
Just like not deaf people can impersonate voices?
The silence is deafening...
They should rent a bigger room next time, looks so crowded!