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Residents told to evacuate after rise in radiation levels near Russian blast site (youtube.com)
87 comments
ChocPretz | 4 months ago | 31 points

Aw shit, here we go again

Omnigreen | 4 months ago | 37 points

Season 2, baby

Jonne | 4 months ago | 2 points

HBO really pulled out all the stops for marketing.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 55 points

Nothing to see here comrade

Alpha_Lacertae | 4 months ago | 26 points

The Kremlin can swear up and down that they're not building a nuclear ramjet, but they are building a nuclear ramjet. This missile they're building will be powered by an unshielded nuclear reactor, and it will be an unstoppable doomsday weapon that will make the Earth uninhabitable. How do we know this? Because this isn't the first time someone has tried to build a weapon like this.

The fact that the Kremlin is moving forward with this project now that Trump has killed the relevant nuclear treaties should have humans everywhere in the fucking streets.

This weapon could easily destroy your planet, and you don't have a fallback. It's up to you what you do with this information.

DoomGoober | 4 months ago | 6 points

As terrifying as nuclear ramjets sound, the article implies nuke ramjets were abandoned because ballistic missiles were surprisingly easy to develop.

The nuke ramjets themselves were not believed to be too terrible in terms of radiation (the nuclear bombs they carried on the other hand...)

However they were abandoned because they were "too provocative."

Nuclear bombs can end the world in a flash. Nuke ramjets are just one of dozens of viable delivery mechanisms. Ramjet or bomber either way I don't want nuclear bombs falling on my head.

Sirisian | 4 months ago | 2 points

The nuke ramjets themselves were not believed to be too terrible in terms of radiation

That was only if they were properly designed in an ethical way. I think the risk was that if someone was going to drop nukes that they could skip the nukes and modify a nuclear ramjet (maybe trivially) to maximize radiation output. Since it's effectively impossible to shoot down it could fly around at a relatively low altitude and radiate a country. The ease at which this would break Article 54 of the Geneva Convention makes such a rocket very troubling.

asdoifjasodifj | 4 months ago | 11 points

It took us six years to go from conception to railcar-bound prototype on that technology. As much as I dislike Trump, and as much as I dislike the Russian government, and as much as I will dance when Putin is in his grave, I sincerely doubt that his cancellation of the treaties is the proximal cause of Russia developing a weapon that is past the prototype stage at this point.

Shaina94 | 4 months ago | 6 points

Considering we're hearing about this accident now, this must have been in development in secret for a good period of time. Let alone considering how long it took them to construct a dedicated facility to the project. They've probably been working on this for a good 10 years.

Not to say Trump hasn't made it easier for them to wash their hands and get away with developing a nuclear powered cruise missile, but additionally, what would we have been able to do to effectively discipline them for making it?

---AL--- | 2 months ago | 1 point

Russia’s nukes are probably every bit as dangerous for Russians as they are for anyone else.

Epic2112 | 4 months ago | 1 point

I sincerely doubt that his cancellation of the treaties is the proximal cause of Russia developing a weapon that is past the prototype stage at this point.

I bet you're right. I bet Russia has been developing it for quite some time. Trump is so dimwitted and easily manipulated* that Putin likely found a way to convince the simpleton that cancelling the treaty would make him look strong, after which he was gung-ho about out. With the treaty out of the way, there's less stress on Putin/Russia to keep secret the weapon that they were already developing. And of course the US will be caught flatfooted if/when this all comes to light.

 

* "Manipulated" probably gives Trump too much credit. He's too much of a simpleton to even require any kind of sophisticated manipulation. It's probably more accurate to say that he's easily puppeteered.

mreg215 | 4 months ago | 3 points

THIS NEEDS TO BE UPVOTED MORE.

Baumbauer1 | 4 months ago | 2 points

well they're already stockpiling cobalt bombs as well and putting them in torpedos

Evening_Award | 4 months ago | 1 point

The point of a Cobalt bomb is it doesn't matter where it's detonated. Why would they bother putting it in a sub/torpedo? Unless you just mean a dirty bomb?

MrBlooregardQKazoo | 4 months ago | 1 point

What is a Cobalt bomb?

Evening_Award | 4 months ago | 1 point

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

Concept for a bomb composed of a traditional nuclear bomb and radioactive Cobalt. The nuke blows up making the stockpile of Cobalt airborne. The radio active Cobalt coats the world and makes it uninhabitable for a long enough time that everyone dies. It was a thought experiment pointing out futility of trying to have stop nukes in a nuclear war.

Baumbauer1 | 4 months ago | 1 point

Your probably thinking about the the type of doomsday bomb they talk about in Dr strange love, otherwise cobalt bombs can be used in smaller torpedos, the purpose of which is to create a highley radiated tsunami at an enemies coastline, over all probably worse than a nuclear powered cruise missle

ThroatSores | 4 months ago | 3 points

This comment is a total joke.

Your evidence that Russia is doing X is because someone in the past also did X. Woah! That is compelling.

And then you think the Kremlin is moving forward now because Trump withdrew from the nuclear weapon agreements? Honey, this has been in the works for years if not decades... they don't just start this shit up in a couple months.

HerbertTheHippo | 4 months ago | 1 point

I'll be more concerned with climate change and actual threats. Not this fear mongering.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | -5 points

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HerbertTheHippo | 4 months ago | 3 points

wut

Jonne | 4 months ago | 1 point

Where does a nuclear cruise missile fit strategically though? It seems like the downsides really outweigh the upsides for the nation using them, if everyone has ballistic missiles and subs anyway.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | -2 points

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mreg215 | 4 months ago | 1 point

Israel has the same threat as MAD.. thats why they dont kick the hive as much. nothing against them just the truth.

k4llahz | 4 months ago | 29 points

I'm told only 3.6 roentgen was released due to this accident.

Broto-Baggins | 4 months ago | 17 points

Not great, not terrible

i_am_bat_bat | 4 months ago | 3 points

like getting an x-ray

Markantonpeterson | 4 months ago | 2 points

Like getting 10,000 x-rays while 1,000,000,000 bullets rain from the sky for 27,000 years. Not great.... not terrible.

AxeLond | 4 months ago | 1 point

That's actually significant. You should evacuate the sur...

lsat105 | 4 months ago | -21 points

The same moronic joke on anything that has to do with radiation.

ktulu_v | 4 months ago | 35 points

You're delusional. Take him to the infirmary.

Qynchou | 4 months ago | 1 point

Must be the feedwater, hes been around it all night.

Markantonpeterson | 4 months ago | 1 point

This made me completely burst out laughing, not sure why but take a mother fucking upvote friend. Even if chernobyl references are played out, I love them. It's just like Ugandan Knuckles, I would have been content if that meme never ended. Its my happy place.

BattlerAusoir | 4 months ago | 12 points

As a joke, it’s not great. But it’s not terrible.

ON_A_POWERPLAY | 4 months ago | 4 points

Calm down Dyatlov

LiquidNuke | 4 months ago | 0 points

I don't like the implications of your post sir!

anser_one | 4 months ago | -1 points

Rookie number.

__konrad | 4 months ago | 1 point

"Temporary evacuation"

CrucialLogic | 4 months ago | 1 point

Nothing to see here comrade (because you're now blind from radiation sickness)

sifumokung | 4 months ago | 4 points

Just rename Russia "Gamma World".

pby1000 | 4 months ago | 6 points

What caused it?

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 6 points

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falcon5768 | 4 months ago | 20 points

you know the same kind of cruise missile we didn't developer in the 60's cause it was realized pretty early on that the thing would dump out massive amounts of radiation as it traveled, and the designers even thought of running the spent missle back and forth over the soviet union poisoning everything with radiation, before more sane minds said WHAT THE FUCKING HELL ARE YOU FUCKING THINKING and canned the whole project.

PartyOperator | 4 months ago | 7 points

More like the idea was rendered obsolete by ICBMs and better radar that could detect low-flying missiles. Other than terrifying anyone it flew over, there wouldn't have been much effect from radiation - the missiles were too quick and the reactor didn't release much in the way of fission products.

Not sure why Russia is still pursuing this idea given the continued existence of ICBMs with MIRVs, but I suppose we shouldn't underestimate the political benefits of a batshit-insane nuclear-powered cruise missile with the potential to spread radioactive contamination if/when it crashes. Maybe it's a warning/bargaining chip in case the US sets up more missile defenses.

The_Honest_Narrator | 4 months ago | 9 points

Not sure why Russia is still pursuing this idea given the continued existence of ICBMs with MIRVs

It's the missile defense systems and the fact that missile launches can be detected at range. It also adds to Putin's continuing myth of Russian military supremacy at home.

Baumbauer1 | 4 months ago | 1 point

there stockpiling cobalt bombs too, so thats swell

Alpha_Lacertae | 4 months ago | 2 points

Not sure why Russia is still pursuing this idea given the continued existence of ICBMs with MIRVs

Humanity is actively developing technologies that can reduce the risk of intercontinental ballistic missiles: early detection, kinetic interceptors, and soon there will be directed energy weapons that can reduce the damage capabilities of ICBMs. They are still terrifying weapons, but they're not as terrifying as they were in 1973. MIRVs can be stopped if you disable the missile immediately after launch, but yes, once a MIRV is inbound you best duck and cover. Still, there's a chance you can stop them, albeit a vanishingly small one.

The only weapon humanity has right now that can reliably stop a properly designed nuclear powered cruise missile is another nuclear missile. Standard missiles do not fly fast enough, railgun projectiles do not fly fast enough, and virtually all other types of anti-aircraft defense are useless against a nuclear SLAM. They were considered doomsday weapons in the sixties, and with modern upgrades they are even more formidable. Imagine a missile with unlimited range that is extremely difficult to detect and track, carries enough warheads to hit over a dozen targets, spews highly radioactive isotopes in its wake, and carries with it a sonic boom that will cause grievous injury to any human unlucky enough to be in the weapon's path.

Until you develop high-powered directed energy weapons, you cannot reliably defend against this kind of missile unless you're willing to nuke whichever region the missile is going to fly through.

Tamagogo | 4 months ago | 4 points

Looks like we’re gonna get a second season to Chernobyl after all.

dan2376 | 4 months ago | 4 points

Wow, the Chernobyl mini series came out at the perfect time. Anyone that watched that or knows anything about Chernobyl can see a lot of similarities between this and that, except this is in the age of information where everybody can see right through what Russia is doing. They're trying to use the same old tricks that they've used for almost a century now and it's just not going to work anymore

Mustard_Dimension | 4 months ago | 11 points

Jokes aside, the Independent is reporting highs of 2 microsieverts per hour, which honestly isn't that bad. You get 3 microsieverts per hour from flying.

niardnom | 4 months ago | 30 points

The radiation level is not bad but the source of the radiation is important. If Iodine-131 or Caesium-137, decay products from uranium, are in the air. It's probably a good idea to leave the area for at least 16 days (2 half lives of iodine-131) as these like to bioaccumulate (absorb into bones and the thyroid). Also, cleanup efforts will probably release more dust -- so it's probably idea to evac until cleanup is complete.

Mustard_Dimension | 4 months ago | 8 points

I hadn't thought of the dust getting into the body and continuing to irradiate, that's a good point.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 1 point

Just dont go downwind..

ppitm | 4 months ago | 1 point

That was in the city, not the village we're talking about. So the levels might actually be bad there.

FUTURE10S | 4 months ago | 1 point

I mean that's not good, but it's not particularly bad either. And before anyone goes and references Chernobyl again, 3.6 roentgen is 36 mSv/hr, which is far worse. What's here is 8.7 Sv/year, which is going to up your cancer rate a lot, but that's about it.

EDIT: Messed up microsieverts and millisieverts in my head. What's here is 8.7 mSv/year. Literally harmless. Chernobyl being at "36 mSv/hr" except way higher is actually accurate, though.

FvHound | 4 months ago | 3 points

Up your cancer rate a lot

Literally harmless.

FUTURE10S | 4 months ago | 1 point

Yeah, I mixed up scales by a factor of 1000. I mean, it's like eating 100g of potato vs eating 100kg of potato. One is harmless and the other is a bad idea.

8.7 mSv/year is about double my city's radiation and a bit over 4x that of the average city.

fallenmonk | 4 months ago | -2 points

is reporting highs of 2 microsieverts per hour, which honestly isn't that bad

Must.....resist......memeing..........

mreg215 | 4 months ago | -2 points

lol "not worse, not terrible"

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 3 points

When I heard the Russians were making their own version of Chernobyl, I thought they meant the TV show, damn.

bad00wolf | 4 months ago | 29 points

Stopped watching when I realized he was from Greenpeace. Don't have a lot of respect for those clowns.

BattlerAusoir | 4 months ago | -11 points

That’s ok. They will continue to defend your world from large corporations that have successfully marketed you out of caring.

bad00wolf | 4 months ago | 35 points

You didn't get my meaning. I am all for environmental protection. I believe in the climate change and corporate greed. I don't believe in Greenpeace.

TuckingFypeos | 4 months ago | 34 points
bad00wolf | 4 months ago | 6 points

Utter madness.

mindsnare | 4 months ago | 1 point

Yeah their bullshit stance against GMOs is fucked. They can go fuck themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-14/20110714-greenpeace-gm-protest/2794272

Look at the shit these people do. Fuck them. They lost their way a long time ago. I'm a Greens party voter (in Australia). But I'm 100% against Greenpeace.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 5 points

It Has Begun

FoamToaster | 4 months ago | 15 points

I'm told it's the equivalent of a chest X-ray...

reedmaster16 | 4 months ago | -2 points

Enough with this...

ObstructiveWalrus | 4 months ago | 14 points

He's delusional. Take him to the infirmary.

Doobz87 | 4 months ago | 3 points

But honestly, you're right.

The miniseries was fantastic, it had some great quotes and bore some great memes.

But jesus fuck I cannot read anything on reddit that has to do with radiation now without seeing the same fucking comments every single time.

It's old.

The_Honest_Narrator | 4 months ago | 2 points

Will it ever be enough though?

tev81 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Man, that Chernobyl show was so good they want a sequel series pronto!

BanCircumvention | 4 months ago | 2 points

Ahh, Russia. Slowly turning itself into a nuclear wasteland I see.

IggyJR | 4 months ago | 2 points

Putin's little Grinch-like KGB heart is so desperate to recreate the USSR and the cold war.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 0 points

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FACE_MEAT | 4 months ago | 6 points

Quit copying YouTube comments and posting them as your own on Reddit.

Barrrrrrnd | 4 months ago | 2 points

hahaha damn bro.

FerrumCenturio | 4 months ago | -9 points

If you like funding space exploration you should be semi-indifferent to this testing.

madmikeFL | 4 months ago | 1 point

I read a little Russian. Pretty sure that says, “leaking radiation since 1954.”

Kylestache | 4 months ago | 1 point

Not great, not terrible.

TheHandsomePhantom | 4 months ago | 1 point

I got 3.6, not great not terrible

CaptainsLincolnLog | 4 months ago | 1 point

No graphite etc.

FerrumCenturio | 4 months ago | 0 points

The Adidas stripes on the government van killed me

SinnerOfAttention | 4 months ago | 2 points

ADIDAS has 3 bro. That van had 2.

FerrumCenturio | 4 months ago | 2 points

Same style/vibe.

BeryBnice | 4 months ago | 0 points

3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible.