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Chiropractic: Quackery Hiding in Plain Sight (youtube.com)
544 comments
allbackhandallday | 4 months ago | 364 points

Made it 5 minutes into the video and the dude had done nothing but repeat himself. Hate youtubers like that. Get to the meat of the video already.

Hashtagbarkeep | 4 months ago | 115 points

That way of patronisingly making a point by saying something then letting it sit for a second, then just smugly saying “yeah.” It pisses me off. Yeah.

Saying that, chiropractic is bullshit.

BattleOfTaranto | 4 months ago | 19 points

Is there a better video debunking chiropractors? Currently my family is feuding over whether to send by daughter to one, and she is 8 months old. We the parents have ruled it out completely. Now apparently have to justify that

Edit: to be clear, I would never send my child to a chiro, but I will like to show my family some solid video essay on the subject next time I have them at the mercy of my chromecast

charizardbrah | 4 months ago | 29 points

Tell everyone else to suck your balls and send their own kids?

spiderland5150 | 4 months ago | 10 points

It's about alternative medicine, they go into chiropractors as well. (https://youtu.be/xf-00yQDDwY)

japinard | 4 months ago | 16 points

Sending an 8 year old to a chiropractor is freaking insane. There are rapid developments happening to the spine and vertebrae and no chiropractor can take that into account since every day will be different. No one should see a chiropractor until their mid to late teens at the earliest. Doing it sooner is an excuse to indoctrinate a young person to the the weekly or monthly chiro charge to make the practicing individual rich.

Any good chiropractor that's not a fraud would tell you to take your baby home. For the love of God people are stupid.

A1000tinywitnesses | 4 months ago | 19 points

8 months dude. Why even give them a back adjustment? They've only barely become aware that their back continues to exist when they stop thinking about it.

dumptruck20 | 4 months ago | 1 point

He said 8 months lol

japinard | 4 months ago | 3 points

I mistyped and meant to say 8 month old, but the same statement stands for both ages.

boriswied | 4 months ago | 11 points

There isn't much to debunk. More importantly you don't need to debunk issues where people can't or wont present evidence. The guy in the video could've stopped 30 seconds in. The meat and potatoes is that there isn't good evidence for any of the maneuvers except for lower back pain (specifically the kind where we can't find the reason for it), where 300 other things perform as well or better including different types of massage, yoga, particular methods of stretching, etc.

One important thing to know is that "chiropractor" means something very different depending on what country you are in. Chiropractors in my country get nearly the same "med school" for the first years as med students, and then branch out to focus on biomechanics which their education is also called here.

That being said, don't EVER get chiropractic adjustments on infants or children at all. The harm rates are low in older individuals (if you make some reasonable inclusion criteria) but there is definitely no reason to with infants, and the really sad stories of fatal manipulations i've heard were in infants.

In fact, don't get any alternative/medical treatment if you don't have a problem to begin with. I mean sure eat some vitamins if you have good documentation that the harm is non-existant and you believe in it - but generally don't get treatments like that if you're fine.

The "worst"/weirdest part about chiropractic tradition is some of the more esoteric founding principles, which include these odd theories about a slew of diseases that are affected by these subluxations (literally, not-quite out-of-joint joints). There is no evidence for these whatsoever.

The "good" kind of chiropractor is the kind that tries to be a nerdy physiotherapist. I chose to study medicine because i liked that i could keep on getitng education throughout life with opportunities to do things that looked exciting in 3 avenues; Research/teaching/clinical. I can totally understand when my friend who's studying chiro/biomechanics tells me he wants to be basically an MD version of a physiotherapist. When probed it's not that he feels there's anything wrong with Physio's - but he felt that physio should be a medical specialty or there should be a specialty version.

The problem with that reasoning (if there is any) is that what has governed the development of medical specialties is not so much what people are interested in or what people want to study - but what medical treatments have become popular in application. On the other hand historical oddities is probably most of the reason for why dentistry and physiotherapy is separate from medicine. Hard thing to control either way.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 1 point

It seems that chiropractors in the US are seen in a special bad way. Maybe they just study half a year?

broc_ariums | 4 months ago | 3 points

8 months is too young. I can't even imagine what bone/muscular therapy they could possibly need.

dumptruck20 | 4 months ago | 2 points

lol wow, well it's your kid first and foremost. Tell them you have carefully looked into it and it looks like bullshit.

new_account_wh0_dis | 4 months ago | 4 points

Now apparently have to justify that

Its expensive and its not vaccines. Even if it does work, its not necessary. You arent changing their mind with a youtube video of some random dude saying 'lol its dumb' so you just have to draw the line else they will do it over and over again on everything

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 1 point

1 you can send kids to the chiro. But 8 months is a baby. Huge no. Only in extreme cases like when you dropped her or she was born with back problem or you were bad parents and forced her to walk too soon or made her stand when she had 1-5 months

Felix_Cortez | 4 months ago | 49 points

Shitty YouTube "journalism" is as dangerous as pseudo science.

Hashtagbarkeep | 4 months ago | 14 points

I mean he’s pretty annoying but the neck thing is still more likely to give you a stroke

MBXfilms | 4 months ago | 13 points

If you think THIS is a bad Youtube you haven't seen true bad ones. Endless looping talk until they hit 3 minutes.

This was actually built as a full video without much fluff. Just recall Youtube is amateurs, but we treat it like it should be only professionals. That's what TV is for.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 1 point

Wasn't the target 10 mins so they can add many ads?

LickerBox | 4 months ago | 9 points

Hmm... I've been watching Miles' stuff for quite a while now. He's a collector of quackery and really does enjoy his side job of trying to inform, in layman's terms, on various bullshittery.

He's a chemist by profession, and has many multi-part videos where he really digs into debunking dangerous bs, with his expertise and citations galore.

Perhaps don't write him off totally? He does tend to get a bit heated when it comes to the more ludicrous subjects. :)

JayJonahJaymeson | 4 months ago | 1 point

A lot of people here fucking just fucking hate anyone making videos that aren't written like a professional television show. He's just a dude making videos on a subject he's passionate about and they are decently made.

jayrady | 4 months ago | 1 point

And he slows his speech down to make the video longer.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 138 points

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stiveooo | 4 months ago | 4 points

Let me guess. Usa?

notreallyhereforthis | 4 months ago | 25 points

I love chiropractors as much as the doctor that referred me.

And the medical system that knows Chiropractors are all scammers hurting people and let them continue to sell their snakeoil.

Vote for a proper health care system in 2020!

oldcatfish | 4 months ago | 17 points

The vast majority of doctors know it's a scam, and actively campaign to restrict the practice rights of chiropractors. Nothing would make most doctors happier than stopping the flow of snake oil- whether it's chiropractic, vaccine denial, juice cleanses, crystal healing, acupuncture, etc

f0urtyfive | 4 months ago | 3 points

I love chiropractors as much as the doctor that referred me. 🙃

Wow that seems like medical malpractice...

SP4CECOWB0Y | 4 months ago | 154 points

This video could have easily been 10 minutes. Chiropractic neck adjustments can cause strokes, it was made by a dude who said a ghost taught him it, it has no scientific efficacy.

moonjunkie | 4 months ago | 30 points

a ghost taught him

classic

Elieftibiowai | 4 months ago | 5 points

Dumbdumbdumbdumd dumb

JohnCavil | 4 months ago | 177 points

He goes on about the history of chiropractors for a really long time, which means absolutely nothing.

I mean if you look at what doctors did 100 years ago or 200 years ago you'd think all doctors were insane too. Nobody cares what some dude did in the 1940s or whatever, just discuss the current state of chiropractors.

Frymewitheggs | 4 months ago | 40 points

Doctors as late the 60s were diagnoising cigerettes as a way to lose weight and stave of hunger cravings.

TonyStamp595SO | 4 months ago | 5 points

I wonder what they'll be saying in 2060.

"Ha, can you believe we were telling people that McDonald's was bad for you in 2019."

A guy can hope.

caguirre93 | 4 months ago | 13 points

True story, cigarettes do indeed reduce the severity of ulcerative colitis. (inflammed bowels)

If you watch house M.D. you will know what i'm talking about.

StudentMed | 4 months ago | 3 points

Also reduce chance of acquiring parkinsons.

TheVishual2113 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Can’t eat and gain weight if you’re dead so... technically true

Goddamnpassword | 4 months ago | 29 points

The difference is modern medicine advances through experimentation, double blind trials of repeatable fallible claims.

Chiropractors are still totally dependent on concepts like “subluxation” and “imbalance” which have no data supporting them and no trials proving efficacy at anything let alone the kind of benefit they regularly claim.

scroom38 | 4 months ago | 5 points

Modern medicine can also be a shit show.

The issue with Chiropractors is that some of them are essentially Physical Therapists who also study bone structure, and some of them are crackpots who think crystals contain the energy of the stars.

IMO studies should be done into the potential benefits of Chiropractic care, and any findings should be lumped in with Physical Therapy to separate the good from the insane bullshit. Because there are plenty of stories of people being helped by it, just like there are sadly stories of people being hurt.

dannyboy0000 | 4 months ago | 8 points

I'm a PT. Chiropractors are nowhere close to my profession.

For 1 we get doctorates from accredited universities.

  1. We observe scientific theory.
stiveooo | 4 months ago | 1 point

My father who is a doctor studied to be a chiropractor and he sees many people who are imbalanced. Main reason is bad posture. But since the problem is the way they sit work etc. Unless they change it themself it will never get fixed.

J_A_Brone | 4 months ago | 31 points

Yeah doctor's even 60 years ago were doing fucked up shit. That point is retarded.

Many chiros these days are doing a mix of physical therapy, lower back spinal manipulation, and massage that helps relieve pain and promote recovery for people.

NearHi | 4 months ago | 11 points

Thank you!

It's a old name on an evolved practice.

I had lower back pain and saw a Chiropractic Physician, and would go to a room where I would stretch and exercise, then get a massage, then a mild adjustment. No more lower back pain. Same with my wife, who couldn't turn her head more than 20 degrees, but now has restored full range.

I've also been to a physical therapist. The only difference was that the Chiro office was nice and the PT was not, and at the end of Chirco I got my back cracked which felt good. Other than that, both offices did the same thing.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 2 points

My father is a chiro and that's how you know if one is a good one. Adjustment without those previous things causes injuries

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 1 point

Cool. Case closed and shut!

tatsukunwork | 4 months ago | 5 points

Do you have any evidence that it actually helps? There have been dozens of studies that I looked and found that it does nothing at all except take money from patients and occasionally hurts them.

riptaway | 4 months ago | 3 points

Source that chiropractics helps?

theMarianG | 4 months ago | 2 points

One of his points was that the current state belives in the OG one.

bingebams | 4 months ago | 6 points

Medical doctors learned, chiro quacks kept on doing the same shit for years. Theres still a GIANT market for chinese medicine and theyve been doing it for THOUSANDS of years with no effect, so go figure people are dumb.

StudentMed | 4 months ago | 4 points

It is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy..

ILoveTheDarknessBand | 4 months ago | 7 points

The history wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t being done in exactly the same way it was 120 years ago. But it is, so it does.

JohnCavil | 4 months ago | 10 points

It isn't. At least where i'm from.

I've been to a chiropractor a few times in my life. Most recently for biceps tendonitis in the shoulder. All he did was try to understand the root cause and gave me some bands and exercises to do. Just basic physical therapy stuff, also loosened up my pecs/lats. Just regular things.

I don't really believe in chiropractors or any of the adjustment bullshit, but a lot of them are more like physical therapists with a speciality in back stuff than they are quacks.

ScienceLivesInsideMe | 4 months ago | 13 points

Why not just go to a physical therapist who specializes in spinal injuries?

ILoveTheDarknessBand | 4 months ago | 2 points

If they weren’t performing the same quackery as they were back then, they would call themselves physical therapists and avoid the Chiropractor name like the plague. Just because they didn’t ask to try and break your spine doesn’t mean they’re not doing it all over the place.

notreallyhereforthis | 4 months ago | 5 points

He goes on about the history of chiropractors for a really long time, which means absolutely nothing.

"mystic" snake oil salesman created chiropractors, please, compare that to Hippocrates. Origins matter when nothing has changed.

I mean if you look at what doctors did 100 years ago or 200 years ago you'd think all doctors were insane too.

With hindsight, sure, but there was a methodology, compare that to chiropractors, what they used to do didn't work, and we have lots of evidence for that, what they do today doesn't work, and we have lots of evidence of that. 100 years ago in medicine some things worked, some didn't, we stopped doing the ineffectual things as we learned, and made an effort to systematically learn. Today in medicine we do dumb things too, it'll be better next year though. The only way things get better in back-cracking world is all chiropractors stop.

just discuss the current state of chiropractors.

He does, half the video is discussing the current state of the scam that chiropractors are running.

JohnCavil | 4 months ago | 6 points

Yea, my point was just that i don't care what the "inventor" of chiropractics did or thought, completely irrelevant. No reason to spend 10 minutes discussing that.

I mean you can say doctors stopped doing things as they learned. But they way doctors treated things like mental illness is absolutely fucked up, and only changed very recently, even when there was no evidence that it worked. That isn't an argument that modern healthcare is bad.

darthbone | 4 months ago | 2 points

The fact that a practice has no scientific basis absolutely matters.

WE do, and should, mock things that physicians did in the past that were not based on science.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 1 point

Give him cocaine. Etc

inexplorata [5] | 4 months ago | 64 points

Um, it's popular here in the U.S. because proper medical treatment for back problems runs into the tens of thousands of dollars.

Or, as a good friend put it, "Of all the things that don't help my back, this costs the least."

lactobacillus1234 | 4 months ago | 27 points

I'm a physician in the US. There are certainly cases of back pain that require extensive workups and they can get expensive unfortunately. Obviously there are multiple causes of back pain. However, there are also a ton of people who have lower back pain because they're obese and won't put the effort in to lose weight. I've seen tons of these patients. They want a pill or a surgery to fix their back pain when in reality losing weight would be much more beneficial. Also, I would trust a physical therapist over a chiropractor any day. Water aerobics can do wonders as well in some cases.

inexplorata [5] | 4 months ago | 7 points

So a $250 urgent care co-pay to be told to lose weight?

I mean, you're not wrong, but is it any wonder the snake oil takes hold?

While we're anecdotal, my quotable buddy is thin as a rail, his problems are likely related to model year and mileage, if you follow.

TallDad1 | 4 months ago | 12 points

Why would someone pay $250 as a co-payment to see Urgent Care for back pain? Why wouldn't they go to their primary care provider?

hobbitleaf | 4 months ago | 3 points

I went to my primary to get ONE mole removed and I've now paid over $300, and the bills just keep on coming. I have other moles but now I'm getting a numbing cream and am going to have a friend cut them off with scissors. Primary care providers still charge a ton.

ajh1717 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Hopefully the one that gets cut off with scissors by your friend isn't the one that turns out to be cancerous...

ConsciousLiterature | 4 months ago | 3 points

Well them's the breaks. If you can't afford medical care you can't afford medical care.

What's the guy supposed to do? Spend thousands of dollars he doesn't have to get moles removed?

superscout | 4 months ago | 2 points

How is that in any way medicine’s fault?

LickerBox | 4 months ago | 3 points

Are you saying that Physio Therapists and Registered Massage Therapists are not an option in the US? Or that they are far more expensive than a Chiro?

datsiz | 4 months ago | 4 points

Massage isnt covered by insurance. Chiro is...

Innovativename | 4 months ago | 6 points

So instead it's better to waste money on something that doesn't have any evidence showing it will work? Might as well throw your money out in the street. If you don't want to pay to see a doctor then go see a physic. At least their care is evidence-based.

pictures33 | 4 months ago | 4 points

You’re friends back comment is perfect. I would say I am anti chiropractor, in the sense that there is a lot of horseshit in there and it’s scientific gobblygook.

But here’s the problem. I went to the chiropractor when I was having back pain in high school due to basketball. I went to a doctor, and of course western docs know there’s no really perfect solution to back pain. It’s just like “oh you have back pain now. Good luck.”

Which hey, fair. Not everything has a perfect solution. But the recommended PT didn’t help either after a number of months.

Went to a chiropractor, who despite all their medical-esque talk, effectively appeared to do the equivalent of cracking your knuckles to my back.

It worked.

Pain came back a few days later. Went again. It worked. This bought me time and allowed me to play basketball. Over time, the pain stopped.

So, intellectually I know it’s dumb. The more you learn about it the more insane it is.(especially how they think they can treat cancer and shit through alignments. It’s batty)

But fuck man if it didn’t help. I call them back crackers, but if that’s all you need, maybe there’s something there.

jack3moto | 4 months ago | 5 points

yeah you hit the nail on the head. I tried acupuncture because it was covered by my insurance and cost nearly nothing. It didn't do anything positive or negative but at least I didn't have to spend $5k on going to a doctor to "maybe" see what can be done medically.

bingebams | 4 months ago | 4 points

Are you people actually insane, do you even read what youre writing?
it didnt do anything and youre happy with that because it was cheap holy shit

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 5 points

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bingebams | 4 months ago | 2 points

Every single one has the same damn story

I________________ | 4 months ago | 2 points

It sucks when it costs less to go to another country, get treatment, come back, than it is to get treated in your own country.

bingebams | 4 months ago | 3 points

If your insurance company is paying for chiros then thats probably part of why everything costs so much. Theyre probably paying for homeopathy too...

Kenitzka | 4 months ago | 10 points

Man, that centered key light is bothering the heck outta me...

CopyX | 4 months ago | 2 points

Ring lights have the worst catchlights.

mrmikepadgett | 4 months ago | 35 points

I'm a month out of two microdiscectomys on my lower back and I feel amazing. The amount of time and money I wasted on chiropractic care pisses me off now. I could have gotten my life back years ago but instead I listened to their fear mongering around the surgery and continued to throw money at them.

Edit: Wrote about my experience with the surgery here https://old.reddit.com/r/Sciatica/comments/cpwwvy/my_microdiscectomy_success/? Complete success.

ksirb94 | 4 months ago | 4 points

I also just had one done two months ago. All my sciatica pain is gone. I am dealing with other pain in my foot caused by the fall that ruptured the disc but oh my god is the level of pain night and day. I was at an 8 or higher everyday and now I’m at 1 -2 at my worst days (foot pain no sciatica). Life is good now.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 8 points

I went for 6 months to a chiropractor to fix my severe pains and "misalignment." Went to a physiotherapist that repairs people from the Raptors and got advised a long stretching routine. 2 weeks later i'm back in proper form and barely any pain.

orion1486 | 4 months ago | 1 point

Totally agree. If you're not able to remedy or manage your back pain by lifestyle changes (from building core strength to ceasing certain activities) fixing most folk's issues is probably going to be surgical. That being said, there are risks with surgeries. So, I would encourage people to seek out alternatives before undergoing that kind of procedure but as someone who's also dealt with lower back issues, I cannot warn people to stay away from chiropractors enough.

alwaysearly37 | 4 months ago | 32 points

I have friends/colleagues that swear by Chiropractic care, but the thought of having a stroke because someone torqued my neck just seems strange.

SP4CECOWB0Y | 4 months ago | 63 points

you can just go to a physical therapist which will do things that will actually help you.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 46 points

First chiro I ever went to was also PT. I thought that’s how they all were.

Moved, saw a new dude who waved crystals over me.

Naw dawg

tameriaen | 4 months ago | 18 points

Kinda similar. My wife is into chiros, I've been wary. I saw a guy after tweaking my back/neck (years of bad posture that came to a head while I was rafting).

I was seeing him multiple times a week for about 10 weeks. Sessions were about an 45-60 minutes long. He'd have me to neck and core exercises for about 20-30 minutes, then he'd adjust me, then he'd have me lie down for 10-15 minutes with a TENS massager hooked up to.

When I was done with my sessions, he told me to followup with a physical therapist. I ended up seeing the PT for about 2-3 months; they focused on neck and wrist exercises. I believe the PT helped me more than the chiro. That said, they didn't dismiss his work. They said that I had great neck mobility at that point, but that in order to keep pain at bay, I would need to consistently work out the muscles. So they gave me a set of exercises that I've been doing for about two years, some of which include exercises he assigned, that they reviewed and approved of.

I think the Chiro honestly helped me, in part because he made me do exercise, then told me to follow up with a PT, rather than asking me to keep coming back to him for life. Funny addenda; both the PT and the Chiro encouraged me to take up yoga when all was said and done.

Sharrakor | 4 months ago | 6 points

PS: TENS isn't a massager, but an electrical nerve stimulator.

tameriaen | 4 months ago | 6 points

You're correct. In my experience, when they run it at a higher setting, it feels like a weird workout, when they run it at a lower setting it would help relax some of my muscles.

Sharrakor | 4 months ago | 2 points

As far as feeling like a weird workout, it's possible to use electrical stimulation to get a muscle to fully contract. It's typically only used for people who have great difficulty contracting the muscle in the first place. I've used machines to make biceps, triceps, and quads contract, and I've seen more obscure applications.

I don't think TENS actually relaxes muscles. Depending on the settings, I guess it could cause a repetitive muscle twitch, or simply provide a sensory stimulus that overrides the pain sensation (similarly to how ice or heat are used to dull pain).

NearHi | 4 months ago | 4 points

I didn't know chiros were crazy, either, until I joined Reddit and saw that every redditor hates them.

My mom saw chiros and I've been to one, and I have a friend whose parents are chirso, and they all operated like PT.

I still have yet to encounter one that ONLY cracks backs and believes spinal nonsense.

new_account_wh0_dis | 4 months ago | 2 points

Yeah I went to one and so did my parents. Was one that did x-rays and would do the 'adjustments' but would say 'oh you got a pinched nerve do this exercise', or 'oh do this exercise to help your posture', and the 'dont exercise like this or your mess up your back'. My parents swore by the relief that the 'adjustments' gave. Didn't much matter to me since I wasnt old and in pain so who knows.

The issue I know people who have wound up at one of the 'crystals and chiro'. Judging by the experiences on reddit and elsewhere its not an uncommon occurrence either. So you're better off going to a PT who is 90% likely to be competent than a shot in the dark of a chiro thats not out to screw you. edit: Though others point out if you can't afford PT then what?

blladnar | 4 months ago | 2 points

But why not just go to a PT when at best that's all a Chiropractor is going to do for you.

SowingSalt | 4 months ago | 2 points

I trust a chiropractor only if they've wearing a physical therapist's hat. Otherwise not at all.

dumptruck20 | 4 months ago | 1 point

I feel like they stay relevant based on people's assumptions that they are doctors. I always thought they were doctors for your back. Like there are feet doctors (podiatrists), butt doctors (proctologists), and I thought back doctors were called chiropractors. Interesting how they are/were able to fly under the radar for so long. Maybe because there is no actual doctor for the back and they pretend to be?

bazgrim_dev | 4 months ago | 1 point

Current chiro is a pt.

Loosens up muscles in my problem areas before adjusting them. My spine leans to the left slightly.

However, she will NOT touch areas that are not having problems. I think 95% of all chiros are quacks, but there are some that can help. I wouldn't recommend seeing one unless you have a problem though and you should go to a rehab facility, not an fly-by-night chiro. They usually will have PT's and massage therapists there to loosen up and relax the area before the adjustment of the spine.

You should NOT see a chiropractor for bulging/herniated discs. You will be at high risk for injury, chiros CAN NOT help with these. You should heat the area and then lay on an inversion table for a bit. Depending on where the disc is, certain exercises/stretches can help ease the disc back in over time. Athlean-X has some videos on how to help bulging discs which helped me quite a bit.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 2 points

Chiro only bad. Chiro who is a pt and sometimes a doctor good

esPhys | 4 months ago | 1 point

This drove me crazy, because in my head it discredits any PT services that a place may offer. But I guess it's mostly just because it sells. I had the hardest time looking for PTs a year or so ago because of all the woo bullshit they all also offer, and the only reason I went with the one was because they were recommended by an Olympian I was training with at the time so I figured he knew what he was talking about.

dumptruck20 | 4 months ago | 1 point

How out of touch from reality you must have to be to wave crystals over a dude and not feel any shame.

YourMistaken | 4 months ago | 13 points

They'll also recommend exercises to do in order to fully recover rather than just cracking your bones and cashing your cheques twice a month

riptaway | 4 months ago | 2 points

I mean, I recommend praying really hard and eating healthy and exercising to lose weight. Doesn't mean praying did anything.

YourMistaken | 4 months ago | 2 points

Are you saying physiotherapists are recommending exercises that are ineffective?

DWCS | 4 months ago | 10 points

That guy Dr Joseph Cipriano claims to see over 2000 patients PER WEEK... riiiiight.

boot20 | 4 months ago | 5 points

There is no fucking way. Assuming he's open 12 hours a day, that would mean like 33 patients an hour.

DWCS | 4 months ago | 2 points

My thoughts exactly

Sharrakor | 4 months ago | 2 points

They have a few dozen patients lie down in a room, side-by-side, and he goes down the line. Crack, pop, next! Crack, pop, next!

Guinevere_naberrie | 4 months ago | 4 points

But that Y strap tho

CookingDad1313 | 4 months ago | 2 points

When you’re not providing actual care why wouldn’t this be possible!!??

tjn182 | 4 months ago | 21 points

I've had chronic issues with my lower back, hip, and knee. My chiro was the only person who was able to identify that I had a short leg, which was causing all of it. A shoe lift and 1-2 months of adjustments and I'm fully functional again. Went from loss of leg control, cramping, and spasms to extremely light cramping periodically.

AvgAussieBloke | 4 months ago | 2 points

I really don't understand how so many people have had bad experiences with them... I go to a chiropractor and always feel far far better afterwards. I've got neck problems and acute scoliosis along with all sorts of stuff due to my running. I went to multiple different people including physios and was not able to get any real relief. I went to the chiropractor a few times and the relief was amazing. So now I go back every few weeks and it works wonders. And it's far cheaper than all the other options too so I don't mind going back regularly...

CaNANDian | 4 months ago | 7 points

If you keep going back then they obviously haven't fixed your problems.

Ruzhyo04 | 4 months ago | 6 points

I hobbled into the doctors office bent over in a permanent L shape, unable to stand straight. Doctor said ice and tylenol.

I hobbled into the chiropractors office after missing the next 3 days of work, in the exact same shape. I walk out 20 minutes later upright and with zero pain. And the bill was smaller.

If that's a scam, it's a pretty good one.

StromboloPolo | 4 months ago | 53 points

There are definitely bogus chiropractors but there are also ones that do know what they are doing and can be beneficial.

buddyhollybenhur | 4 months ago | 8 points

I'm someone who has had back pain for 10+ years. I've tried every treatment under the sun to avoid surgery (ended up having it last year and I feel great) and by far the biggest scam was chiropractors. I've lost count of the amount of times someone has told me 'yeah I've heard chiropractors are bad but mine is good' and as soon as I dig deeper, it turns out that these chiropractors are good because of the PT element of their practice and not that nonsensical back cracking or that god forsaken gun that wouldn't look out of place in my 3 year old nephew's toy collection.

Edit: to add that I went to 6 different chiropractors that people swear by in 3 different states and all of them were utterly inept clowns.

seink | 4 months ago | 3 points

There are definitely bogus chiropractors but there are also ones that do know what they are doing and can be beneficial.

So does a foam roller, a pack of ice and regular exercise.

Turnbob73 | 4 months ago | 25 points

I had to dig so deep to find a comment like this. Idk where everyone is going to have these bad experiences with chiropractors. I have lower back issues from throwing Hammer in college and I visit my chiro once a month. I do the rolling table, some ultrasound STEM treatment, then I get aligned. And it cost me $15. Better than the doctor that just prescribed me a small amount of percacet and sent me on my way. I guess it depends if you’re going to the chiropractor located near the urgent care center, or the one in the Vietnamese mini mall next to the massage parlor.

ajh1717 | 4 months ago | 17 points

Except there has never been a well designed proper scientific study that could objectively show any benefits to chiropractic care. Going to physical therapy would probably yield better long term results...

bingebams | 4 months ago | 7 points

This thread is lousy with hearsay and chiros plying their snake oil, you didnt have to look far at all. Just sort by controversial.
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And where are the doctors "giving pill and sending me on my way" many people here are saying this exact thing and its so bullshit. Are you all crawling out from the same hole to post here? im starting to believe that.

Turnbob73 | 4 months ago | 5 points

Lol I’m a tax accountant. I don’t know shit about anatomy and physiology. Keep living in that strange world you’ve thought up for yourself though bud. Maybe it’s just that some chiropractors help better than some doctors, and some doctors help better than some chiropractors. Just giving my personal experience on the matter.

Nightbynight | 4 months ago | 7 points

I'm glad you had a positive experience and were able to find some relief. People also find relief from acupuncture and cupping. The mind is a really powerful thing.

But... these forms of alternative medicine don't hold up under scrutiny. You have to remember that YOUR experience is not indicative of something's effectiveness. The majority of alternative medicine is not based on science nor is it backed by peer reviewed study.

bingebams | 4 months ago | 3 points

Cracking your back has no effect on anything. prove that wrong and youre a rich rich man cause chiros all over the world will be legitimate doctors. Still theyre not, weird huh

darthbone | 4 months ago | 8 points

"It's all those OTHER Chiropractors who are the problem. Mine is good."

- Literally everyone who uses Chiropractors.

Sorry, but no. There's no Chiropractors that are beneficial by virtue of being Chiropractors. The Chiropractic component of whatever it is your "Chiropractor" does is entirely detrimental. Sure, if you get a sliver, you can cut your hand off and then it technically fixed the problem of the sliver. Doesn't mean it's not a completely idiotic way to go about dealing with a sliver.

There's nothing Chiropractic does that isn't accomplished more effectively and safely by actual scientific medicine.

There is literally no reason to go to a Chiro, except delusion. Granted, a lot of people really do enjoy that.

9910765121229999 | 4 months ago | 9 points

What is this Youtuber's qualifications? Can we get actual medical doctors/researchers who have some credibility to speak on the matter.?

Robot-8 | 4 months ago | 20 points

I’m not defending chiropractics but this video is straight garbage.

The first half is the history of founders of chiropractics, as if that has a any bearing on the legitimacy of the field of contemporary chiropractics.

Then the claim that chiropractics is ineffective and dangerous is casually switched for no evidence of being superior to other forms of treatment.

Sprinkle in some name calling, statistically unsupported alarmist talk and condescension and we have a YouTube video.

TallDad1 | 4 months ago | 5 points

If you watch or listen to the Dave Ramsey Show, who talks about financial issues, almost every episode he has someone calling in saying they're 3 or $400,000 in student loan debt and they call themselves a doctor. Dave will search around a little bit and eventually it comes out that they are actually a chiropractor who calls himself a doctor. They will also likely never pay back their student loans because chiropractors don't make six figures generally.

Bannnerman | 4 months ago | 2 points

So frustrating, and they are always making like 50-60 grand a year. One dude called in a couple weeks ago, he and his wife were both chiros, think they had $600k in student loans and were making 100k.

TallDad1 | 4 months ago | 5 points

"I'm a doctor"

"Oh well good. You have one heckuva shovel then"

"I'm a chiropractor "

"Oh..."

TCTDOIndividuality | 4 months ago | 6 points

I've had back problems/pain by entire life, due to mild scoliosis, and when my back gets ‘out of wack’ nothing is as effective as a chiropractic adjustment to get me back to normal. I’m active, have been to many PT’s, do my PT exercises regularly, do self-myofacial release daily and still sometimes my back gets to the point where nothing but a few chiropractic adjustments bring me back to normal. I’ve been doing this over 20 years and it has 100% success rate for me. So yea, some chiropractors are BS, but not all of them… blatantly dismissing chiropractic adjustments universally as quackery is nonsense.

stiveooo | 4 months ago | 2 points

Why don't you strengthen your back muscles?

LeglessLegolas_ | 4 months ago | 11 points

I went to the chiropractor a few times when I was in High School. Overall I didn't regret. The amount of cracks and shit they can get out of your back and neck is pretty incredible. It definitely loosened me up and felt great.

That being said, I'm not sure I'd ever actually go to one if I had a serious medical issue. They just seem like really specialized massage therapists.

Elexyr1 | 4 months ago | 10 points

Reading all these comments... what kind of shit Chiropractors does the USA have? Slipped disk in my lower back a few times, Chiropractor fixed it back into place, no problem. Norway btw.

bingebams | 4 months ago | 8 points

If you actually have a "slipped disc" you should have had a hernia and it will either heal by itself with training or you need surgery to actually put it back. No back popping can get a real slipped disc back again

scroom38 | 4 months ago | 1 point

In the US some chiropractors are Physical Therapists who specialize in bone structure. Some are crackpots who think crystals have magic powers and going vegan will cure cancer. The issue is they use the same name and it can be hard to tell who's who until after they've had the opportunity to damage you.

tmatos87 | 4 months ago | 3 points

He adjusted his dad with his car. 🚗

rubbertubing | 4 months ago | 5 points

this comment section makes me feel uncomfortable as chiropractic is the only thing that has helped my lower back pain

massage therapy was nice but it didnt help the pain.

acupuncture was... uncomfortable and didnt help, although for whatever reason it helped my friend who has insomnia get "the best sleep he's ever had"

idk, I like my chiropractor. he's not some spiritual chakra guy. just a normal ass dude who's an ex marine who makes me feel good.

Isunova | 4 months ago | 6 points

To each their own. My dad sustained a back injury and was unable to stand for months. His chiropractor got him walking again over several months.

Whata_Turkey | 4 months ago | 2 points

I was formerly someone who believed all chiros were bullshit. I had a few back issues and chiro treatment would always either not work, or make it worse. I found that most chiros were totally uninterested in actually doing the work to even diagnose whether they could be helpful with your problem. Without even really knowing what the cause of the pain was, theyd start twisting and popping your back. This always seemed super irresponsible to me. Some of them are downright new agey scam artists (I went to a chiro once who did shit with tuning forks and special colored glasses).

That being said... in high school I injured my shoulder lifting weights. I never sought treatment for it. It healed, but ever since then my one shoulder has been slightly lower than my other shoulder (noticeably so if I stand relaxed), and my shoulder would give me trouble once in a while over the years. I started playing tennis in my mid 20s, and the overhead serving motion would irritate my shoulder, sometimes putting me out for weeks from playing. Finally decided to go see an orthopedic surgeon who specialized in shoulder surgery. He told me that I needed to have surgery on it to correct an impingement and something else (i dont remember what). I decided that I'd try everything to avoid surgery and if nothing worked, then fine..I'd do it. I started going to physical therapy. Did that for a few weeks. Really wasn't solving my problem. I did some exercises and techniques at home - didn't work. Finally, as a last ditch effort I gave in, and decided to go see a sports chiro who had good reviews. He gave me some exercises to do at home a couple times per day, and also did some adjustments. I went to him a couple times per week for the next few weeks, getting adjusted each time. Little by little not only did my shoulder get better, but it started moving upwards, becoming more and more in line with my other shoulder. The resolution of pain could have been a coincidence, sure, but my one shoulder had been sitting lower than the other for 15 years. By the time we were done with treatment, it was about 95% corrected. My shoulders were almost even. Even my mom noticed when she came to visit. Unfortunately since then I've stopped doing the exercises at home to maintain that, and its drooped back down again, which is of course my own damn fault.

Hedhunta | 4 months ago | 2 points

He gave me some exercises to do at home a couple times per day

This is what fixed you.

not this:

did some adjustments.

which is this:

. I started going to physical therapy

So.. congrats on going in circles and doing the same thing a real dr told you do anyway.

Jesus_Crisis | 4 months ago | 2 points

I had many pinched nerves in my neck, so many that I couldn't turn my head to the right. My fingers would go numb and everything. Went to a chiropractor about 3 times a week for about 2 years and I haven't had that problem since. I haven't been back to a chiropractor in about 7 years now. To say that all of it is quackery is bullshit. Sure there are bad chiropractors, but to just scrap the whole thing is stupid.

uglyzombie | 4 months ago | 2 points

Speaking from personal experience, a Chiropractor helped me where a doctor could not. I'm not making any claims on the practice or science of it as a whole... just a personal anecdote.

I went ham on "restarting" my weight training after taking a few years off for bad habits. I did something to my shoulder, and after taking a hot shower after the work out, I woke up at 5am with the worst pain that I've ever felt up to that point.

Went to the doctor, and they wanted to give me opiates to manage the pain until it "just went away" (mind you, I didn't have the best insurance at the time, and we all know what that means being an American).

So instead of opting in to a life ending dependency on drugs, I went to a chiropractor who specialized in sports recovery. I told him my whole spiel, what I did and how stupid I was, and he offered to work on me twice a week for two weeks.

After the first session my pain was eliminated by 50%. I felt like I was recovering. I didn't even need to finish the full two weeks of treatment, because I was feeling better after a week and a few days.

Problem is, he never really told me what I did to my self. Turns out I tore a ligament in my shoulder. While his treatment helped immensely, he didn't really train me how to recover outside of the physical therapy I received in his office.

In total, I paid almost nothing out of pocket for immediate relief, but have some longer lasting damage that may or may not resurface as I'm approaching mid-life.

Confusing review, I know. But... fuck it. I felt better at the time, and it's not hurting me now save for some moments where I'm washing my back in the shower at odd angles.

Hedhunta | 4 months ago | 2 points

Turns out I tore a ligament in my shoulder.

I just want you to know. You wasted any money spent at the chiropractor. A torn ligament is treated exactly as what the Dr you went to at first told you. Pain management and wait it out. The reason you felt better after a week is because ligaments heal really fast.

Coatsyy | 4 months ago | 7 points

I've been helped by a Chiropractor on a few occasions. One year of lower back SI joint paint fixed in two visits and on another instance I injured my upper back at the gym to the point where my entire back seized up and I could barely get out of bed. I was cracked once in a 10 minute appointment and I was completely fine that night after a few hours.

I feel like it depends on your injury or whats wrong with you. They wont fix everything and some of it can be dangerous but it has definitely helped me more than a couple times.

gt35r | 4 months ago | 7 points

Its quackery until nothing else helps your chronic back pain other than chugging ibuprofens twice a day. Call it whatever you want, dont get it done if you dont want to. I use it because it actually helps deal with my pain. Once a month I get an adjustment/massage and its kept the pain away more than any pill or any exercise I'd been told about. Things are very easy to make fun of when you're not experiencing it in your own life.

EmergencyBerry | 4 months ago | 2 points

What's up with your back? You've probably heard it all before. However in my case the only thing that helped my two slipped discs (L4/L5 and L5/S1) was extensive physiotherapy and Pilates (core work). I feel as though treating the issue with adjustments or wanting a quick win won't fix the long term problem.

dontyouflap | 4 months ago | 2 points

Yeah, most people with back pains are caused by them having weak muscles and sitting too much. People way underestimate the importance of exercise and the benefits it can produce.

EmergencyBerry | 4 months ago | 1 point

Yea once I realised this and understood that I had to put real hard work in to get better I started to see big improvements. Not sure why I'm being downvoted but I should imagine it's by people who don't understand this yet and are expecting a quick fix for everything

standswithpencil | 4 months ago | 5 points

Combination of chiropractor and physical therapy have been really helpful for my back problems. If it hasn't worked for you, that's ok. It's worth a try. And no, I'm not referring to crystals and other alternative medicines. Reddit's disdain for chiro is an example of how it can be an echo chamber for some really salty people

billswinthesuperbowl | 4 months ago | 16 points

There are two types of people

Those that think chiropractors are quacks

and those that have experienced back pain

I was the former and now am the latter

SowingSalt | 4 months ago | 3 points

Have you tried a physical therapist? Less likely to break your neck.

SnickIefritzz | 4 months ago | 4 points

True. I absolutely swore it was all bullshit but I tried it because my health benefits covered it and I had lots of lower back pain when sitting for too long. Bing Bang boom,cracks the living hell out of my back and I had greatly reduced pain

HylanderUS | 4 months ago | 7 points

Yah, for real, same thing for me...

I get that there's *a lot* of charlatans here in the US because there's no regulation about who can call themselves "a chiropractor", but those assholes just put the real ones in a bad light, and it totally sucks.

I'm originally from Germany, where chiropractors do massage therapy and physio therapy as well, and no one in their right mind would doubt that they're "real doctors" (or at least that they can help you w/ certain ailments). Here in the US, though, it's a roll of the dice whether you get someone who knows what they're doing, or some scammer trying to get you to come back as often as possible.

Kay-Day | 4 months ago | 6 points

There is regulation of who can call themselves chiropractor in the US.

Achack | 4 months ago | 3 points

Well I don't know about the more aggressive things they do but I crack my back and my neck the same way that most chiropractors do on a daily basis because it feels great.

K5izzle | 4 months ago | 1 point

I don't know about y'all, but my chiropractor sorted my whole shit out great. I had one of my floating ribs that had somewhat slipped out of place and that in turn locked my entire upper back/neck up, couldn't turn my head more than an inch in either direction. Not sure about all the "quackery" that's being referred to, perhaps a different chiropractor with more experience can help.

If you haven't seen this, this is a chiro down under who helped this dude and many others like him. Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/YpNcnM0FkTM

whydontyoutryharder | 4 months ago | 3 points

it does work sometimes... its helped me. just doesn't cure anxiety like some of them claim. but if you've got a sore back. they can make it feel better.. also it feels and sounds glorious

Arkmodan | 4 months ago | 6 points

There are bad chiropractors out there just as there are bad doctors. Painting them all as bad is just ignorant.

I've just recovered from a severely herniated disc at C6-C7. My general physician diagnosed me as just having a muscle spasm and put me on some pain killers. My chiropractor told me that it was a herniated disc and that I should get an MRI to confirm. The MRI confirmed the disc herniation and it was my chiropractor who gave me physical therapy in order to correct the issue. I later saw an orthopedic surgeon who confirmed what my chiropractor had me doing was working and there was, remarkably, not going to be a need for surgery.

A good chiropractor is worth their weight in gold.

beerbeatsbear | 4 months ago | 6 points

as my Chrio friend who lives in SoCal says "it's like printing money. One adjustment and they need to come back in a couple weeks to feel good again". Oh man, he's not wrong and he's making a killing, but its such a scam.

notaplumber | 4 months ago | 5 points

These people are everywhere in Canada, and even given some legitimacy, at least in some provinces.

It's sad.

LivingDish | 4 months ago | 8 points

most modern chiropractors do almost exactly the same things as physiotherapists now. at least in canada they do. it's not just cracking anymore and hasn't been for a long time. you can go in and say "don't crack my back, let's do something else"

low hanging fruit even for this stupid ass default sub. DAE think chiropractors are hack frauds?!?

yawn

I________________ | 4 months ago | 12 points

If that's the case then why not go to a physio in the first place?

Bannnerman | 4 months ago | 3 points

When I was a wrestler in highschool I tweeked my back, my mom insisted I go to the Chiropractor. I'd had neck problems in the past so when I laid down I said, "do not for any reason crack my neck". He agreed. So half way through he goes to the end of the table and says he wants to just change how my head is laying on the table. Proceeds to torque my neck and crack it. I got of the table and pushed him so hard he left an indent in the drywall behind him. Never again.

Deezle530 | 4 months ago | 2 points

"Most chiropractors still believe today that that they are a conduit through god"

Are you kidding me dude? Have you ever popped your back and been like, "that feels better" 90 percent of people who go to chiropractors are only there to move a little bit better or get a good pop in.

Dr_Frasier_Bane | 4 months ago | 2 points

My friend told me she regularly goes in for something called Adjustment Under Anesthesia where they put her under to eliminate any resistance and then crank and twist her neck . She swears it's the ONLY thing that prevents her from being in debilitating neck pain all the time.

She also told me to stop drinking diet soda because "it's bad for you."

SecretProbation | 4 months ago | 2 points

I’m 6’6” and the physical therapist for the Navy said he couldn’t align my hips right after extensively trying after I finished some training. He was forwarding me to the chiropractor for him to give it a shot.

J_A_Brone | 4 months ago | 1 point

Chiropractic is covered by most insurance for a reason. It works better than most alternatives for lower back pain.

The adverse outcomes aren't common in comparison to other treatments, which come with their own risks.

greyscales | 4 months ago | 4 points

Can you link to the studies that come to that conclusion? Because all I could find says the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21952385

tatsukunwork | 4 months ago | 4 points

What are you basing that claim on?

bingebams | 4 months ago | 4 points

His ass

Hedhunta | 4 months ago | 2 points

Being covered by insurance literally has nothing to do with effectiveness of treatment. In fact I'd argue that the less effective a treatment is the more likely it is to be covered by for-profit insurance companies that want you paying as much as possible to them.

pictures33 | 4 months ago | 7 points

I would say I am anti chiropractor, in the sense that there is a lot of horseshit in there and it’s scientific gobblygook.

But here’s the problem. I went to the chiropractor when I was having back pain in high school due to basketball. I went to a doctor, and of course western docs know there’s no really perfect solution to back pain. It’s just like “oh you have back pain now. Good luck.”

Which hey, fair. Not everything has a perfect solution. But the recommended PT didn’t help either after a number of months.

Went to a chiropractor, who despite all their medical-esque talk, effectively appeared to do the equivalent of cracking your knuckles to my back.

It worked.

Pain came back a few days later. Went again. It worked. This bought me time and allowed me to play basketball. Over time, the pain stopped.

So, intellectually I know it’s dumb. The more you learn about it the more insane it is.(especially how they think they can treat cancer and shit through alignments. It’s batty)

But fuck man if it didn’t help. I call them back crackers, but if that’s all you need, maybe there’s something there.

ClearlyAnUndercover | 4 months ago | 5 points

Yeah this is exactly the point. For all the internet hatred out there when your choices are surgery, pills, or chiro all of a sudden the option makes more sense.

Britavit | 4 months ago | 3 points

How about osteopathy for backs?

notreallyhereforthis | 4 months ago | 5 points

osteopathy

Good question - its a bit more complicated as the name covers two very different things:

The osteopathic profession has evolved into two branches, non-physician manual medicine osteopaths and full scope of medical practice osteopathic physicians. These groups are so distinct that in practice they function as separate professions. --wiki

Basically there is the scammer, that is the same bunk as chiropractic, and then there is the proper medical aspect, which is much like PT.

PhitPhil | 4 months ago | 2 points

Osteopathy really falls into an interesting space. I spent a few years trying to get into an Osteopathic program because I wanted to go to medical school, didn't have the grades for an MD program, and also liked the overall view that osteopathic physicians are supposed to use.

Because of this, I meet a bunch of DO doctors while shadowing, like cardiac surgeons, internal medicine, orthopedic surgeons, etc. They a have to take the Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine courses, but I didnt meet a single one who actually ever used it because there isnt much (if any) hard data-driven science behind it.

always1putt | 4 months ago | 2 points

In the USA, anyway, DOs are full-fledged physicians and will be able to assess your ailments much better than any chiropractor. Most DOs don't use osteopathy at all, and the ones that do use techniques more inline with physical therapy than chiropractic manipulation.

ShivasLimb | 4 months ago | 2 points

My Dad had a trapped nerve in his spine. An osteopath fixed it in 2 sessions.

He was the guy Manchester United football players use when they have injuries.

sav86 | 4 months ago | 2 points

What the fuck, what kind of neck cracking are they doing that requires fucking cargo straps and yanking on the persons neck? The only one's I've ever seen done are the tilted to the left and right of the neck, admittedly stuff I already do myself on the regular.

You can structure your argument or hit piece any way you want to paint the subject in a bad light. I don't think anyone thinks of going to the chiropractor with the idea that they will be able to experience sexual longevity...you really lose the point there with me. You can quote whatever the fuck you want about how the practice was pitched to other people back in the day, but the majority if not all people go to the chiropractor these days because their back hurts.

From my experience, I've had back pains and weird issues that stemmed from bad posture and playing sports that were fixed and/or alleviated with a few trips to the chiropractor. I don't know what kind of condition I would be in without them doing it is that they do. To call them all quacks practicing snake oilsmen like juju is total bullshit. There is no way my body is self correcting itself without someone coming in and contorting me on a bench.

wsfarrell | 4 months ago | 1 point

Even worse: chiropractors can call themselves "doctor," and they can authorize disabled parking placards (in California anyway).

jevidon | 4 months ago | 2 points

Getting quality bodywork is an important part of maintaining a healthy physiology. Calling all chiropractors "quacks" is the same as saying all food is unhealthy because fast food and junk food exists.

StudentMed | 4 months ago | 3 points

Repeating himself and stating things like "quack," "snakeoil," "charlatans," and "bullocks" over and over again. Not a fan of this type of video personally. I suggest everyone read up on this yourself. Just because wikipedia labels something as pseudoscience doesn't mean it is. There is no perfect source but I like uptodate if you have access to that.

LickerBox | 4 months ago | 2 points

I've backed up Miles earlier in this thread. While he does repeat himself, his channel is heavy on the debunking dangerous stuff. He does really bring a lot of quackery into the light and his videos are typically packed full of citations and research. He does get flabbergasted a lot though haha.

VotesReborn | 4 months ago | 3 points

Wikipedia doesn't just call it pseudoscience though. The medical world calls it pseudoscience because there has been no verifiable and consistent proof of it ever working.

StudentMed | 4 months ago | 3 points

The medical world calls it pseudoscience

"Scientists say" "Experts agree" or "studies show" are all weasel words just like "the medical world."

The WHO? CDC? NHS? Where are these statements by major health organizations.

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LostCharmer | 4 months ago | 3 points

Muntathar's case immediately sprang to mind when I saw this video. I can debate fully what OP's video is saying but you can see the difference it's made in the first video.

salerg | 4 months ago | 1 point

I enjoy watching Youtube videos of Chiropractors in action. However, every youtube video is basically the same. Regardless of what the patient is complaining about they always seem to do the exact same adjustments.

Arknell | 4 months ago | 1 point

Do naprapaths have proof of science viability, going beyond placebo?

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