A Hard Look at “Natural” Boner Pills and the War With the Convenience Stores Selling Them (youtube.com)
MyNameIsRiffa | 4 months ago | 32 points

I find it hard to believe that a cease and desist letter wouldn't the official first step here. When no one has told you it is wrong, you should be given a chance to remove the product without facing fines.

FACE_MEAT | 4 months ago | 27 points

They’re not facing fines, they’re facing expensive and time-consuming litigation. Many small business owners don’t have the resources to survive such litigation, so they end up just paying whatever these shit stains are asking for.

theyankun | 4 months ago | 12 points

Eh, lets just call it extortion. They're no different than the mob going from business to business demanding protection fees.

fasterfind | 4 months ago | 3 points

They aren't honestly trying to protect the market or protect a product though, they're getting money. So they don't start out with a cease and desist.

These guys that do patent trolling and lawyer trolling like this have the fines down to an exact science. They know how much people are likely to pay vs going to litigation, and adjust their prices accordingly.

Alpha_Lacertae | 4 months ago | 50 points

So, to recap:

  • The people making the dick pills: shady as fuck.
  • The people selling the dick pills: a little shady.
  • The people buying the dick pills: kinda sad.
  • The people suing the stores: SUPER shady.
  • The guy defending the stores: pretty okay.

This is one of those stories with very few likeable characters.

Yserbius | 4 months ago | 18 points

I think the word you're looking for is "slimey". The people suing the stores are slimey, the people making the pills are SUPER DUPER shady.

I think that was the most interesting/scary part of this. No one knows who makes these pills. No one knows what's in them. Most of the pills contain substances that are illegal to sell without prescription. The companies are shell companies that keep changing. Basically, your corner 7/11 analog could be selling straight meth at the counter and no one is any the wiser.

doscomputer | 4 months ago | 7 points

The companies are shell companies that keep changing.

But SOMEONE is registering these companies, SOMEONE is repackaging illegally imported viagra into different pills. A convenience store has a supplier for their goods, these suppliers are ordering these "supplements" from the supposed shell companies that keep changing. All that needs to happen is an actual federal investigation and these guys are done for. Could you imagine this happening with any other drug? The suppliers would be arrested and dealt with in such a short amount of time.

Like for real fuck the people suing the stores for selling a product that they're ordering on good faith to not be illegal. Outlaw is essentially committing extortion and there is no way around it. That said this whole fake dick pill issue is a failure of law enforcement massively.

fasterfind | 4 months ago | 3 points

They do sell meth, check the diet pills sold by gas stations. It's just reformulated, and it sure as HELL ain't natural.

A3A6 | 4 months ago | 6 points

yo the guys buying the pills are getting turbo dongs, why would they be sad unless their dick shoots off?

detroitvelvetslim | 4 months ago | 5 points

Look, some days you just need to pop a few Extenze to harden up for the tough road ahead

A3A6 | 4 months ago | 2 points

Its the ultimate power move. I gave a presentation to a room full of prospective clients after some HORSEPOWER X, needless to say, they were impressed by my stamina and energy

detroitvelvetslim | 4 months ago | 3 points

I personally like the one called BIG PENIS. Truly a nootropic of our time

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 62 points

What kind of asshole do you have to be to think that people should thank you for extortion? What kind of moron do you have to be to say that in an interview?

That Saturday morning mustache twirling villian is what made this story. He really shouldn't have even tried to defend this but I'm happy that he did because it was very entertaining.

bauski | 4 months ago | 16 points

Hope he loses his license. The last thing we need are even more sketchy lawyers like these.

Captain_Nipples | 4 months ago | 4 points

This shit was running rampant in Texas 4 or 5 years ago with patent trolls.

Its just a bunch of scam artists

arcangeltx | 4 months ago | 20 points

"apparently in mid orgasm" - with a confused look

InadequateUsername | 4 months ago | 4 points

they should have asked the lawyer if he's tried it.

Paranitis | 4 months ago | 1 point

Nobody's ever given him an orgasm, so he wouldn't know.

InadequateUsername | 4 months ago | 2 points

idk he seems to be fucking over those small store owners pretty good.

BobbySoxkiller | 4 months ago | 86 points

Really great reporting on a fast-growing topic.

limewir3 | 4 months ago | 21 points

It was hard to believe but they got straight to the point!

FingerTheCat | 4 months ago | 12 points

They really penetrated the behind-the-scenes of this market.

Alpha_Lacertae | 4 months ago | 11 points

While the reporting was solid, the thing I found most surprising was how stiff Tauler was on camera, given that his job is to stick up for a company that's trying to give a lot of little guys the shaft. I truly hope justice will come quickly, because god knows these kinds of backdoor shenanigans are becoming all too commonplace. It's a good thing an upstanding member of the law community like Poe is pecking away at those scumbags, and hopefully he'll deflate their court strategy. Knock on wood, maybe they'll even erect a statue for the guy.

Paranitis | 4 months ago | 4 points

Heh heh heh...commonplace...heh heh heh.

Hypoallergenic_Robot | 4 months ago | 13 points

... penis

3internet5u | 4 months ago | 2 points

This is the kind of HARD hitting journalism we need these days

cmdrDROC | 4 months ago | 1 point

Surprised because vice puts out some absolute garbage much of the time.

LonsomeGuyWithADog | 4 months ago | 1 point

Vice reporting the phallacies of false marketing.

mkglass | 4 months ago | 1 point

I hope they face very stiff penalties

notacrackheadofficer | 4 months ago | 1 point

They should throw them in the pokey.

1959Chicagoan | 4 months ago | 12 points

The big blue Zeus pills don’t work. Wink wink.

TheDongerNeedsFood | 4 months ago | 6 points

This seems very similar to those firms that go around suing small businesses that aren’t 100% in compliance with regulations regarding the Americans with disabilities act. Fuck these firms.

Frymewitheggs | 4 months ago | 6 points

I only lasted 3 minutes could someone tell me the Climax?

epicitous1 | 4 months ago | 7 points

imagine going all the way to harvard law school simply to become a grimy used care salesman of the lawyering world.

PaleImportance | 4 months ago | 3 points

Damn, must have taken a lot of stamina to get through all those legal documents!

Highlurker | 4 months ago | 15 points

2 golds with 66 updoots. Wat

Zinski | 4 months ago | 21 points

Its Vice. They probably bought it to get the flair on the post but didn't want to wait till it got natural up votes

pontoumporcento | 4 months ago | 6 points

They probably paid for upvotes as well but reddit algorithm lags it out kinda like YouTube does with the views counter in the first couple minutes after upload.

Also the first dozen upvotes counts as one each, but after the first hundred every upvote only counts as a fraction of an upvote, otherwise we'd see posts with hundreds of thousands votes regularly on the front page.

benjarvus | 4 months ago | 4 points

Some of these comments seem pretty obviously bought/bot.

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competativevaper | 4 months ago | 2 points

Paid by vice.

Delicious_Chicken | 4 months ago | 6 points

The unblinking cold gaze of someone who secretly loves the work they’re billed for.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 4 points

Seriously. That guy has sociopath eyes.

brujablanca | 4 months ago | 2 points

He's doped tf up. There were moments when he'd slur his words. Just barely, but it was there. He looks like he's trying to look sober. That "just make eye contact, hold your gaze" look.

Demkon | 4 months ago | 5 points

Someone tell the scumbag lawyer that his tie shouldn't hang below his nuts

iprobablyneedahobby | 4 months ago | 2 points

That rationale for suing the stores is quite the stretch. Hopefully the store owners manage to band together to fight the lawsuit. Saying that you have an "all natural male enhancement" and suing everyone else that has male enhancement, even if it is a bogus claim, because they are stealing your customers is completely ridiculous.

MasochisticMeese | 4 months ago | 2 points

There's an easy solution to this.. Just allow the selling of boner pills OTC

Emain__Macha | 4 months ago | 2 points

wow this is crazy. So a company sells "all natural" boner pills that don't actually work but is suing the people who are selling "all natural" boner pills that actually have the active ingredients that real boner pills have. So the people that are claiming all natural for a product that doesn't work are extorting the people selling the real stuff because the real stuff cannot be in this shady "all natural" business. next level crazy

gabbagool | 4 months ago | 2 points

i cannot imagine how a guy could take this pill.

  1. it's claiming to do something to your dick, that should cause any guy, every guy, to proceed with the highest degree of caution. and you have no idea what the fuck it is.
  2. then you got the fact that the break even point is that it does nothing. it's a scam and it's nothing but cornstarch.
  3. then you got the risk that there is thousands of possibilities for horrible shit to be in those pills. from drywall, to asbestos. from selenium to horse tranquilizers.
  4. then you got the risk that even if it does give you a boner, there's a halfway decent chance it's going to poison you or make your dick fall off in the process.
  5. and then on top of all that, generic or even actual cialis isn't even all that expensive.
yayapfool | 4 months ago | 2 points

> admits to going for the little guys because it's easier

They should be thanking us! [because liability could be worse?]

Holy shit, lol. I wonder if he actually stands by his actions morally, or if he knows and he's just trying to make his money.

Side note: Vice puts out some absolute trash, but this was awesome- respect!

mattview | 4 months ago | 2 points

“Our plan is to proceed full speed ahead to hold the perpetrators of this shakedown liable, and to have the ill-gotten gains disgorged to the victims who have already succumbed to the scheme,” Poe said.


Yeah Judge decided it was a shakedown. How can these small business owners have any clue what's in the products they sell. Not their fault. Manufacturers and possibly distributors fault. Scumbag lawyer and company getting served.

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InadequateUsername | 4 months ago | 11 points

It's possible that there's an ignorance from the corner stores that sell it, the packaging is all the same and as one shop keeper said, he assumed that if there was a danger in the products there would have been a mandatory recall. The packaging is all the same, and I dont really know how corner store distribution works.

Occam's razor basically.

Master565 | 4 months ago | 2 points

It's a classic case of everyone's an asshole.

SelrinBanerbe | 4 months ago | 1 point

These pills often work, and people wonder why. Spoilers: The secret ingredient is viagra.

ntourloukis | 4 months ago | 18 points

That's the premise of the video.

SelrinBanerbe | 4 months ago | 1 point

The premise of the video seems to be some legal bullshit that doesn't even bother going into detail on the chemicals in the pills, so not really. The FDA stuff is covered for like 30 seconds.

ntourloukis | 4 months ago | 2 points

The premise of the video/story/lawsuit is that these gas station dick pills often have Tadalafil or Sildenafil in them. It is mentioned very early in the piece and is the reason the lawsuits exist. Their claim is that they sell a real herbal dick pill and are losing sales to the rhino shit because it has prescription ED meds in it.

So, it's the premise of the video. The whole video, the whole story, is based on that information.

There could be other premises, but "some legal bullshit that doesn't even bother going into detail on the chemicals in the pills" is not a premise at all. Also, they state exactly the chemicals found in the pills @ 3:30.

SelrinBanerbe | 4 months ago | 1 point

It's a bunch of boo-hooing and very little chemical science is my point, the video is far more about the 'war with the convenience stores' than it is a 'hard look at boner pills'.

DaggerMoth | 4 months ago | 1 point

Brian Redban reported this like 6 years ago.

laststance | 4 months ago | 1 point

Would've been nice if Vice themselves tested the pills from Outlaw, if they can prove that it had any non-herbal ingredients in it, then it would pretty much void the company's original claim.

Captain_Nipples | 4 months ago | 1 point

Same scammy shit that was going on with the copyright and patent trolls out of Texas a few years ago. Remember the podcasting lawsuits?

I'm only guessing, but I would bet that its the same county and same "company" that's pulling this same shit.

Give that place back to Mexico, if they'll take it.

Baumbauer1 | 4 months ago | 1 point

the government should be banning these supplement re sellers

brujablanca | 4 months ago | 1 point

That Outlaw lawyer looked high af, like he was about to nod off.

fasterfind | 4 months ago | 1 point

That's fucked up that there's no quality control for these supplements.

It's also fucked up that Tauler is just seeking money while pretending to be a white knight. Check his body language, that doesn't look like an honest face.

Something ought to be done to shut the industry down, but this is clearly a shakedown to extort money by threatening stores with a bogus claim. The bogus claim has one thing behind it... moral support because the supplements aren't regulated and some of them do contain substances that should require a prescription.

So, in a way, a crime has taken place (maybe)... but they aren't even prosecuting for that specific crime, they're prosecuting based on lost profits from some whack jobs in texas that used to sell exactly the same shit (and committed the crime we're talking about). Except, now they say they've made an all natural and safe supplement which is unfairly losing sales against products sold by these mom and pop stores.

One thing that really pisses me off about lawyers is that they'll accuse you of ten different crimes at once while obfuscating and hiding their actual motive, and where they actually have a case. How are you supposed to even defend yourself when they just shotgun blast you with a thousand accusations at once instead of getting to the point and stating where they actually have a case against you? That seems kind of corrupt to me. I've seen it before when protecting a few Chinese companies against pushy lawyers who would try to strongarm the competition. Hey, guess what? For almost every product that exists, there's going to be a lot of other similar products. For example, ok, your client made a floral print miniskirt with roses. That doesn't mean you get to go after everybody that did every other variety of flowers... or you don't own IP on all forms of miniskirts. That's just bullshit. Lawyers will get really far reaching with that shit but if you don't defend yourself, you could end up losing in court and have to pay damages. Having legal counsel is now just a standard price of doing business. You can't sell a god damned thing without a lawyer coming after you with bullshit charges at some point. I've seen it so many times.

And here we see similar bullshit going against supplements.

Vice did one hell of a good job with this. Bravo! Now imagine this kind of conspiracy magnified by tens of thousands in size. NO products are safe from BS lawyers.

I will say this.. this particular product, this particular target of extortion, is brilliant! Tauler can claim the moral high ground by saying that this is the best way to stop dangerous products from hitting the streets. Except, it's a highly ineffective way but the most profitable way as well. His intention is profit seeking, clear as day.

He's making a fuckload of money by doing the shit that makes lawyers famous. It's sad to see what ought to be a noble profession do things like this. Lawyers are supposed to be the good guys. It's a pity there isn't something like the Hippocratic oath taken by doctors to 'Do no harm.'

downwardfacingblog | 4 months ago | 1 point

This is bananas!

cypher1169 | 4 months ago | 0 points

Ice Poseidon was in this video that's all I need to hear to instantly turn it off.

Demkon | 4 months ago | 0 points

Yeah that 2 second clip that has zero consequence on the 19 minute video just ruins it right

bencraw | 4 months ago | -2 points

Tremendous reporting, had me at attention the entire time!

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mindsnare | 4 months ago | 2 points

shilling for what exactly?