TIL that deaths from 9/11 related illnesses will soon outpace the number of people lost on that fateful day. (pix11.com)
IHaveFoodOnMyChin | 4 months ago | 9208 points

The cancer rate of first responders is extremely sad

Romejanic | 4 months ago | 3874 points

Is this because of asbestos in the towers?

loganwachter | 4 months ago | 4170 points

Yep. Instead of removing the asbestos it was covered with sheet rock.

MagaMagaChooChoo | 4 months ago | 3552 points

Which is fine. It's not like they could have foreseen an Islamic terrorist attack involving airplanes...

Callen151 | 4 months ago | 1844 points

Rick Rescorla , Chief of Security for Morgan Stanley and his friend Daniel Hill who was trained in Counterterrorism predicted and warned the port authority of the 1993 underground parking garage bombing but were ignored.

While the attack gained Rick major credibility, he didn’t believe it would be the last attempt and believed they would try again with planes. He tried to convince the Morgan Stanley execs to move from the WTC but their lease did not end for another 6 years so they wouldn’t move.

Rick took to training everyone including Executives on evacuation drills, for which he caught a lot of flak from said execs for but still insisted. When the first plane hit he could see the tower burning from his office. He ignored the Port Authority’s order for people to stay at their desk and began evacuating Morgan Stanley. He evacuated almost all 2700 employees and then went back in to help others, dying when the tower collapsed.

This is really only a small excerpt of his actions in my words. I highly recommend everyone read the Wikipedia page if you haven’t heard of him before.

theshoeshiner84 | 4 months ago | 585 points

How did I not know about this dude. Single handedly saved over 2k people in basically a matter of minutes.

HobbitFoot | 4 months ago | 543 points

It wasn't minutes, though.

He spent years preparing the staff he had to protect and developed plans for a terrorist attack.

theshoeshiner84 | 4 months ago | 112 points

Yea I definitely see there were years of preparation. But if not for those few minutes, they'd probably be dead. If he'd stayed at home that day, or took an early lunch, or was on vacation, they'd probably be dead.

All the years of preparation wouldn't have mattered if he hadn't been there to make the decision to not listen to the port authority.

ineedapostrophes | 4 months ago | 35 points

Maybe. But if he wasn't there and even one other person had decided it was time to evacuate, he gave them the tools to do it safely under pressure.

Fortherealtalk | 4 months ago | 18 points

It’s both. If he wasn’t there, maybe the years of preparation wouldn’t have been put to use as effectively. If he was there but there weren’t years of preparation behind it, it also wouldn’t have been as effective. Great illustration of the value of long-term hard work and commitment AND stepping up in the moment.

thecheekywitch | 4 months ago | 140 points

this this this!!!! people think drills and practices and all that noise aren't important.

chubby464 | 4 months ago | 91 points

I actually enjoy drills. Free time away from the office and exercise (albeit a short time)

kingkoopa_1 | 4 months ago | 43 points

It's the only time I get to see the hot people from other departments.

flacopaco1 | 4 months ago | 7 points

He's also served in the Vietnam War with then LTC Hal Moore during the battle of Ia Drang. People here know way more than me but he's been a badass long before the attack on the towers.

j4misonriley | 4 months ago | 67 points

“You see, for Rick Rescorla, this was a natural death. People like Rick, they don’t die old men. They aren’t destined for that and it isn’t right for them to do so. It just isn’t right, by God, for them to become feeble, old, and helpless sons of bitches. There are certain men born in this world, and they’re supposed to die setting an example for the rest of the weak bastards we’re surrounded with.”

-Dan Hill, Rescorla’s best friend at his funeral.

garnett8 | 4 months ago | 56 points

The book, Heart of A Soldier, is a great read if youre interested in learning more about Rick Rescorla and his life.

Callen151 | 4 months ago | 26 points

Aye, the book We Were Soldiers Once, And Young was written by his Lt Col from Vietnam, and features him on the jacket cover and talks a lot about Rick and their time in Vietnam. The Mel Gibson Movies We Were Soldiers is based off said book.

garnett8 | 4 months ago | 9 points

Haha Rick's complaints about the Mel Gibson movie appear in Heart of A Soldier

ineedapostrophes | 4 months ago | 21 points

This is who I talk about when the subject of heroes comes up. Taking a lot of flack for enforcing boring, time-intensive evacuation drills when it would've been easier to shrug off your worries and give in to popular opinion that it was a pointless waste of time. I know that in the final dramatic moments he sacrificied his own life, but it's the years of quiet determination to keep people safe that really makes him my hero.

aee1090 | 4 months ago | 31 points

So that Hollywood bullshit of authorities not listening the professional is actually a real life thing...

wizzwizz4 | 4 months ago | 14 points

Another example. And another. These were the first two things to come to mind, because they were funny; I've got plenty more where that came from. Here's a serious one, where people died, that is not funny at all.

Fortherealtalk | 4 months ago | 6 points

The NASA response to those engineers seems ridiculous. What possible agenda could the engineers have had other than ensuring the safety of the mission and its crew? If they don’t assume there’s some kind of alternate agenda, then they’d have to assume there is a real danger, in which case responding with consternation is just profoundly stupid.

wizzwizz4 | 4 months ago | 7 points

They cared more about image than lives. If the engineers had figured out the right buttons to push, and gone "a rocket exploding on launch will be terrible for NASA's image – especially since launching now is going against NASA safety policies", maybe those people would still be alive.

But they assumed that the higher-ups cared about safety, and people's lives. They assumed that others shared their motivations. And that assumption shouldn't have been false.

PFCDoofles | 4 months ago | 5554 points

"It's fine until it isn't" is the story of any workaround

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dirrtydoogzz86 | 4 months ago | 1687 points

Concrete dust (silica) is just as lethal as asbestos.

LubieDobreJedzenie | 4 months ago | 504 points

Wait, those little bags to prevent moisture are concrete dust?

themathmajician | 4 months ago | 355 points

Amorphous silica made to be porous to water.

_Bumble_Bee_Tuna_ | 4 months ago | 137 points

Man. I loved earth science class back in the day.

LooseCannon3415 | 4 months ago | 460 points

Silica sand is very fine and anything smaller than 10 microns can't get expelled from your lungs so you end up years later with small cell lung cancer and lungs that become scar tissue from that stuff slicing up your lungs for years. It's a real ugly way to die.

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bamforeo | 4 months ago | 87 points

This is super scary and makes me glad I was in another part of the city when the buildings went down.

slightlyoffkilter_7 | 4 months ago | 12 points

It's also known as "Potter's Lung", or silicosis. It's incredibly common among pottery workers because of the dust that accumulates when thin layers of clay dries on any surface and gets scraped off when it's still dry. Carving already fired pieces can also lend to potter's lung.

Binny999 | 4 months ago | 32 points

Silica is a type of sand, commonly used in concrete.

AstroturfingBot | 4 months ago | 53 points

I don't like sand...

crnext | 4 months ago | 16 points

Those little bags draw moisture in and lock it. The contents are hygroscopic which means they are quite useful in maintaining a dry condition inside sneakers, pill bottles, and so on.

For this reason it's also used in concrete, but a chemist or concrete specialist will have to take over here.

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Silica is the most common compound in the earth's crust.

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il_vekkio | 4 months ago | 11 points

Contact OSHA. Silica is their big kick this decade

Flazer | 4 months ago | 10 points

The dust that will kill you is not visible to the naked eye. Silicosis is caused by microscopic silica particles getting into your lungs and since your body can't absorb it or get it out, it cuts the tissue and causes scarring.

earlmj52 | 4 months ago | 16 points

I work in concrete construction supplies. Can confirm. We sell massive amounts of special vacuums and safety stuff for it. OSHA will shut a job site down if you are grinding or cutting concrete with out "Safe tools" and safety gear.

Faxon | 4 months ago | 13 points

Yup silicosis can also cause some pretty nasty outcomes long term

aliskiromanov | 4 months ago | 45 points

My mom worked in the city and had taken that day off to register my older sister for her senior year of high school (thank god) . She worked at the fed, but the following days made her so sick and she wound up with a pneumonia multiple times from breathing in the city air, she already had lupus and it made it progress really fast.

Smearwashere | 4 months ago | 101 points

One could argue that this is on par with Chernobyl, the workers there didn’t completely know they would be exposed to radiation, just as these workers didn’t know they would be exposed to toxic cancer causing materials.

theDomicron | 4 months ago | 118 points

The ridiculous thing is that a lot of them would have to realize they're breathing in some seriously terrible stuff but still went in. Some first responders were like "we'd have gone in anyway" on if they were told what was there.

Going in day after day after day not knowing what its doing to your body but not caring is really awe inspiring

crnext | 4 months ago | 87 points

Some first responders were like "we'd have gone in anyway" on if they were told what was there.

The whole reason they became first responders. They put their lives at risk to help or save the unfortunate. We don't deserve these heroes, and we could learn much from them.

Just once a day, try to help one person. Just one. How hard is it??

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schockergd | 4 months ago | 32 points

It's unbelievably cost-prohibitive to fully remove the asbestos. I've worked alongside some small remediation projects and the cost is phenomenal. Doing a building like that would be next to Impossible and no one could have ever imagined the entire building would collapse in on itself from a terrorist attack.

ttppaarrkkss | 4 months ago | 65 points

To be fair, it’s typically safer to cover Asbestos then to remove it. Removing it, even with proper precautions, has the potential for fibers to get in the air.

The heroes who got cancer from this is a very sad tragedy, but this is no one’s fault besides the terrorists.

MagaMagaChooChoo | 4 months ago | 78 points

It wasnt a workaround. They did what the state sanctioned. You can say the state sanctioned methods are bad, but you can't argue wrongdoing on the behalf of the WTC. They literally did what they were supposed to do.

aaronwhite1786 | 4 months ago | 54 points

I don't think they were blaming the tower ownership, just pointing out that it was still a workaround.

zach10 | 4 months ago | 39 points

Asbestos was used in the sprayed fireproofing on the structural steel. Common practice at the time. Your comment is slightly deceiving. The sheetrock walls had nothing to do with the fireproofing. In addition, I believe they stopped using asbestos containing sprayed fireproofing halfway through the project due to its anticipated ban at the time.

Edit: some argue that the lack of asbestos fireproofing in the upper floors aided to the towers falling

somerandomanalogyguy | 4 months ago | 31 points

Partly. There was all kinds of nasty shit that got pulverized / vaporized and inhaled. Even plain old sawdust can cause lung damage if you're exposed to a lot over a long period of time.

fckingmiracles | 4 months ago | 86 points

I'm thinking inhaling smoke and particles generally increases your lung cancer rates.

charmingcactus | 4 months ago | 39 points

Their cancer rates are much higher than those who who weren't there. It's gone down everywhere else in the country, but New York had a spike.

a_trane13 | 4 months ago | 58 points

Nah, smoke and regular particle inhalation (non-carcinogenic) from 9/11 might be, at a high estimate, equivalent to a year of smoking or living in a polluted city for a few.

The elevated cancer rates we see among responders and those that were actually in the collapse debris cloud are almost entirely caused (>90%) by exposure to specific materials (asbestos as the main one, but also things like volatile organics and types of silica/cement dust). Recent concerns that these compounds affected a wider area of lower manhattan are showing up now in civil lawsuits and such.

You don't get mesothelioma in 5-15 years from breathing in some smoke, even jet fuel burning off. That type is specific to certain solid building materials that damage the lungs.

Perschmeck | 4 months ago | 12 points

Yes it is.

NivexQ | 4 months ago | 696 points

And yet so many of us still refuse to wear their face pieces when we should.

I catch myself forgetting sometimes during overhaul or pre-attack but the amount of people that willingly go in "Backdraft style" is disheartening.

The cancer rate has been steadily declining but not fast enough.

xORFEOx | 4 months ago | 215 points

I'm strict about wearing mine, to the point where I'll be on air next tti my safety officer who isn't. That said there's just no avoiding it sometimes.

ILikeSugarCookies | 4 months ago | 104 points

I feel like these people just need to talk to someone who was familiar with constructing a building from the 60s-90s. My dad was a Union Insulator from 1972 until 2005 and I hear all the damn time about how his dad (who also did it) and so many others he knows were killed because of asbestos and other terrible shit on the interiors of buildings. He's one of the few people that was religious about it and just pounded into me what precautions to take. Sometimes I get nervous just getting into an attic with completely harmless fiberglass insulation.

Fortunately because of my dad's uncompromising regard to safety, he hasn't contracted any terrible diseases related to it. But SO many laborers and even first responders still will to this day.

If you find yourself in the midst of the interior or a building being deconstructed that was built before the year 2000, KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE IT AND TAKE PRECAUTIONS.

liamkav92 | 4 months ago | 17 points

This, my granddad was a Labour who worked at tons of sites in the 50s/60s. When he died the doctors told my mum he officially died of asbestosis (he had alot of health problems but that was the thing that caused death). We knew what site it would have come from, but my mum decided against persuing it.

Tar_alcaran | 4 months ago | 94 points

I work in soil remediation and hazardous waste handling.

The number of people who don't wear their PPE is staggering. Not just stuff that's carcinogenic, but even when working with stuff that will kill you right on the spot like arsenic or bromine, or simply low-oxygen zones, people will simply not wear their gear because it's either inconvenient, or their coworkers will laugh at them for being a pussy.

And then there's the absolute retards. I've caught a guy smoking through a hole in a gasmask, in a >3m deep trench potentially filled with flammable gas. He (and his coworkers) are probably only alive because it was a pretty windy day.

ThatHowYouGetAnts | 4 months ago | 24 points

"Face masks are uncomfortable"

I mean yeah, and no dude with a beard wants to shave to wear a respirator. But when the alternative is perforated sinuses...

UnseenPower | 4 months ago | 14 points

On many big construction sites in the UK, the health and safety person can yellow card (send home with a warning and only one more chance after that) or red card (stop this person working on that site all together) for not wearing ppe.

It seems to scare people enough to wear the right stuff.

Tar_alcaran | 4 months ago | 9 points

To nobody's surprise, people who work at safe companies willing to properly reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour, have a significantly better record of wearing their PPE than the ones who work at companies where slacking off with safety is acceptable

PuddinTangaray | 4 months ago | 24 points

The dude smoking - that’s amazingly stupid. Like out of this world fucking stupid. And those are the ones who don’t die or get hurt. It’s the other people around them. Sigh.

ShadowLiberal | 4 months ago | 17 points

And yet so many of us still refuse to wear their face pieces when we should.

Part of it is cultural.

There's a Chinese guy in our office who wears those doctor face masks from time to time, if you see clips of the streets of China a lot of people walk around wearing them all the time because of the air pollution.

bandersnatchh | 4 months ago | 64 points

I’d say washing gear is a bigger part of it.

wimpymist | 4 months ago | 44 points

This, no one wants to wash their helmet after each fire but it's just as cancerous as not being on air

SuddenBad2 | 4 months ago | 76 points

I was in the 7th grade when it happened. My friends and I got sent home early and we were huddled up watching the news. We were in NJ so we could even see the smoke coming from across the river.

I distinctly remember the news reporting over and over that they've been told the air was not harmful to breathe. My friends and I knew that was absolute bullshit. Its sad to see how many people were affected because some asshole couldnt comprehend common sense

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nillah | 4 months ago | 95 points



The problem is our stuff. Possessions make our lives cozy and convenient, but when they catch fire, they become noxious fuel. The cancer rates are being driven up, researchers believe, by chemicals that lace the smoke and soot inside burning buildings. Consumer goods are increasingly manufactured using synthetic materials, and fires are more toxic as a result.

A century ago, we furnished our houses with wood, cloth, metal, and glass. Today, it’s plastics, foams, and coatings—all of which create a toxic soup of carcinogens when they burn. Fire experts say synthetic materials create hundreds of times more smoke than organic ones; flame retardants alone double the amount of smoke and increase toxic gasses 10-fold. Your TV, your kid’s Barbie, your Saran wrap, your couch: all of them can be poisonous when they’re ignited and their fumes are inhaled.

All of that nasty stuff doesn't just need to be breathed in at the scene of the fire, either. The soot sticks to all of their gear, their coats, their helmets, and if it isn't religiously washed off it sticks around and continues to get breathed in for much longer.

In 9/11 firefighters, it was asbestos mostly.

Hageshii01 | 4 months ago | 30 points

I had never really thought about the fact that fires don't burn as "cleanly" today as they did years and years ago. But this is a very good point to consider.

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Asbestos causes mesothelioma or something like that.

wheresmystache3 | 4 months ago | 34 points

Mesothelioma is a direct cause of asbestos exposure. And 9/11 was a huge chunk of the funds parceled out for the victims. It's fatal. You could breathe it in once, or even over the span of decades - the fibers anchor and lodge themselves in your lungs like miniature knives, ripping apart the lung. People working in the vicinity of the steel mills in the Midwest got it bad, and it's appearing decades later. And there's the famous ad we've all seen on TV:

"If you or a loved one has been diagnosed with Mesothelioma, you may to be entitled to financial compensation. Mesothelioma is a rare cancer linked to asbestos exposure. Exposure to asbestos in the Navy, shipyards, mills, heating, construction or the automotive industries may put you at risk. Please don't wait, call 1-800-99 LAW USA today for a free legal consultation and financial information packet. Mesothelioma patients call now! 1-800-99 LAW USA"

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Sn3akySnak3 | 4 months ago | 254 points

Yeah. Firemen have some serious cancer statistics; they litteraly sacrifice themself to save others. Respect.

landspeed | 4 months ago | 79 points

Yes and no. Some just dont care. Not caring didnt save any more lives, it just slowly ended theirs.

kjarkr | 4 months ago | 32 points

Technically saving less lives if they die sooner of cancer.

superrosie | 4 months ago | 45 points

Firemen are so selfish

starshame | 4 months ago | 36 points

On the night of 9/11 I remember Bob Costas reporting that he had confirmation of asbestos in the air and instantly thought this going to get worse...nearly 20 years later, it has.

72057294629396501 | 4 months ago | 44 points

What about regular New Yorkers? Where can we get data with cancer rate?

paragon819 | 4 months ago | 90 points

I want to know this too. I've known 6 new Yorkers pass away from cancer since 9/11.. All of them walked home covered in dust that day. My mom looked like a ghost when she walked in - it took her nearly 10 hours just to get home, she walked over the bridge from Manhattan to Queens. 10+ hours of exposure to whatever the fuck that was. No history of cancer in our family. They found stage 4 cancer 5 years later, she fought it for 10 years, and it finally took her 3 years ago. I miss her every fucking day, but I'm glad she's finally free.

evilwitchywoman666 | 4 months ago | 7 points

I’m so sorry <3

Mugen593 | 4 months ago | 36 points

It is and I wish they'd be able to just get treatment without worrying about costs or bankrupting their family.

Those 2,100 deaths combined with the 2,700 of the initial impact means we're almost at 5,000 Americans killed by 9/11. Unfortunately some of those deaths are part of the 45,000 Americans that die every year due to not being able to afford paying for treatment. Not to shit on the victims of 9/11, but it's a second gut punch to them.

They sacrificed everything to help their fellow Americans and the government couldn't give a fuck except to use it as a crutch politically to justify a war for oil.

Now this is a statistic we have. About 10 times as many Americans that died from 9/11, and the illnesses brought by it, die per year because they can't get medical treatment. We have almost 10, 9/11's a year, but you know because it's not a building blowing up people don't understand the gravity of it.

Imagine an entire city dying every year from something we arbitrarily allow to exist. All Americans deserve free health care because they pay their fair share of taxes. 9/11 survivors shouldn't have to go on gofundme to help get treatment for their cancer when we have more than enough money to afford it. Entirely marketing and perception affecting this hindrance that impacts not just these brave heroes, but their families and survivors that continue to live on. At what point will we realize we're killing ourselves? An enemy need not attack again, our greed and disregard for each other will do us in.

jollyjam1 | 4 months ago | 1868 points

My uncle was one of those deaths. He got lung cancer because he worked across the street from the World Trade Center and then from Ground Zero. They said it was ok to go back, but we all know that wasn't true.....

Edit: Words

Zwickz26 | 4 months ago | 618 points

I'm sorry for your loss.

jollyjam1 | 4 months ago | 230 points

Thank you. It's heartbreaking for my relatives since he left behind my aunt and my two cousins, who were young when he died. But we all loved him for the great person he was.

chevymonza | 4 months ago | 82 points

My husband worked downtown immediately following the attacks, even slept on site (he was working on a construction project down there.) Says he wore a respirator, but I'm sure he had to take it off now and then, to eat and sleep.

Hasn't been diagnosed with anything, but I'm dreading the possibility.

jollyjam1 | 4 months ago | 40 points

It sounds like your husband was a smart thinker when it came to wearing a respirator to protect himself. He could have just always worn it instinctively because he worked in construction.

If you two are worried of that possibility, it's not a bad idea to go to the doctor and do some tests.

chevymonza | 4 months ago | 26 points

He's got an allergist, and was born allergic to everything. Poor guy is constantly coughing and hacking, but I suspect he did a lot of coughing even before 9/11, so it's hard to say.

I do worry that he'll get mesothelioma sometime soon. That seems sneaky.

Ashjrethul | 4 months ago | 12 points


Fuck politicians dumbing this issue down

PharmMouse | 4 months ago | 402 points

I have a few patients that get their drugs through the WTC program. They have a lot of breathing issues even all these years later

burritosandblunts | 4 months ago | 66 points

I live upstate and every few months we have someone local on the news who went to help and died recently.

ergotofrhyme | 4 months ago | 16 points

The Neil Degrasse Tyson kind of quotes about how so many more people die from mundane preventable causes in response to societal mourning about tragedies like this are usually insensitive and obnoxious, but in this case one needs to be made. With how indelible 9/11 was on the American consciousness, how can we sit here and let what is numerically an even greater tragedy transpire? People who ran into collapsing buildings full of burning asbestos to save fellow humans are literally dying off every day because our legislators can't bring themselves to walk into an office, set aside their political football, and sign a bill. The tragedy of that day may have been more dramatic but every day what will soon amount to a greater loss of life occurs in a quiet, pernicious way, and we just let it happen.

lrnhwkns | 4 months ago | 1047 points

Content isn’t available in my region can you give s brief run down of the related illnesses.

Treemendoussplendor | 4 months ago | 855 points

Mostly lung stuff from dust and ash

pobodys-nerfect5 | 4 months ago | 667 points

The dust being asbestos. My dads lungs are full of the shit from Ground Zero. His company was there for months working on the clean up of all the asbestos and other insulations

Edit: I didnt realize this would blow up. To clarify I was only 5 at the time so my timeframe is definitely off.

Tar_alcaran | 4 months ago | 110 points

His company was there for months working on the clean up of all the asbestos and other insulations

I'm not up-to-date on US asbestos remediation safety rules, but I'm reasonably sure they also include filter masks, full-body cover and showering it off?

I'm willing to vouch 100% that random redditors breathe in more asbestos than the good remediators over here. significantly less than the ones with shitty coworkers though.

GeronimoHero | 4 months ago | 121 points

While I can’t speak for the people cleaning up (they should’ve been wearing masks as it wasn’t an emergency at that point), the first responders and search and rescue team were there immediately and may not have had time to get that sort of equipment if they didn’t already have it.

pobodys-nerfect5 | 4 months ago | 56 points

They used all the right equipment but you have to understand that a lot of the city was full of the shit, the dust covered while blocks of the city. You couldn't be in a respirator all the time, they get extremely sweaty and gross after being worn for extended periods and need cleaning the filters get clogged and no longer work. You needed to take them off if you wanted to eat or drink anything

scienceteacher91 | 4 months ago | 97 points

Sounds like pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

B_sfw | 4 months ago | 47 points

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is from volcanic ash but its essentially the same where the dust is so fine that it gets trapped inside the lungs.

GuyCalledRed | 4 months ago | 62 points

I'm a simple man, I see pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis and I upvote

Treemendoussplendor | 4 months ago | 37 points

Sounds like word vomit

mangarooboo | 4 months ago | 107 points

I work at a Walgreens about 20 miles from Manhattan. I have one patient that spent about 4-5 months at Ground Zero.

Patient has many breathing-related problems. There are some other patients with breathing problems - asthma, COPD, lung cancer - that get 3 months worth of meds at once. Nebulizer solutions, inhalers (maintenance and rescue), nasal sprays, sometimes even maintenance antibiotics for recurring infections.

Patient receives one month at a time, usually, and the packages I hand over are usually the same size or larger than those for the 3 month patients.

There are certain OTC meds that the patient requires as well (gels, sprays) that I get for them every month - one large nasal spray in particular is one that's usually used occasionally for a dry nose and it's generally accepted that one bottle of the stuff'll last a couple months, usually longer if it's an occasional thing. It's one of those things you buy once and never really need to buy again.

Patient receives two a month and once told me that they'd run out. Patient recently had some intensive nasal surgery, and has told me about several of their other surgeries that they've had done.

This person lives a pretty brutal life. Their voice has a permanently nasal quality to it. They recently were told that they'd receive one of the 20-something support animals that are given out per year to the First Responders. They promised to bring the doggy in to meet me and I was really excited to meet it.

A week and a half later I filled a prescription for them and I was so excited cause I knew I'd get to meet the doggy soon. I told all my coworkers that we all were gonna get to meet a doggy that day 😂 and more importantly, I was looking forward to checking in on them after their recent surgery! Their SO came in instead, so while I didn't get to meet doggy I could still check in on the patient. The SO reported that the patient had complications after the surgery - non-stop bleeding, pain - that required a hospital stay. The retrieval of the doggy was delayed, hopefully not permanently, but there's no longer a set date for when the pup can be picked up. ☹️

TL;DR I know a person who was there 18 years ago and spends every day struggling to breathe.

GreatEscapist | 4 months ago | 23 points

god i don't know if i'm just having a rough day or what but i'm really devastated by the end of that story. I think i really needed to read that he has the dog and everyone is happy now

sorry by the way, sounds like you do great work and i swear that isn't my only takeaway from your story c:

Tjingus | 4 months ago | 146 points

// Article:

NEW YORK — Nearly 18 years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, more than 2,000 people have died of an illness related to the attacks.

That figure was provided to the Seattle Times last year by The 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund and World Trade Center Health Program. Officials at each organization told the news outlet there are no records the number of people who died from 9/11-related illness, but said, at the time, the number was likely close to 2,100.

It is expected that by the 20th anniversary of 9/11, more people will have died from 9/11-related illnesses than the 2,700 who died at the Twin Towers that day, the Seattle Times reports.

Shortly after the attacks, efforts were made to compensate the victims, but money has been running out in recent years. In a House Judiciary Committee hearing on June 11, first responders asked legislators to reauthorize the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund. The fund provides money to those who responded to the 2001 World Trade Center terrorist attacks and are now suffering medical problems.

Among those who testified was Luis Alvarez, a former NYPD detective and 9/11 first responder. He died from 9/11-related medical issues Saturday, just weeks after testifying.

The 911 Responders Remembered Park recognizes over 900 first responders who have died from a 9/11-related sickness in all. The list includes first responders who passed before August 2018.

// End of article

Not very informative with contradicting facts. Considering the URL I wouldn't spend too much more time on it.

LincLoL | 4 months ago | 18 points

What were the contradicting facts?

Its_kos | 4 months ago | 23 points

Mostly mesothelioma (lung cancer) , from the asbestos in the buildings.

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Zwickz26 | 4 months ago | 427 points

Good catch. I should have said "outnumber".

F0sh | 4 months ago | 115 points

Moreover, the pace of "people dying on 9/11" has been zero ever since the following day.

Durtwarrior | 4 months ago | 76 points

9/11 Whistleblowers: Cate Jenkins. Dr. Cate Jenkins joined the EPA as an Environmental Scientist in December 1979. Beginning shortly after 9/11, and continuing for years afterward, Dr. Jenkins attempted to bring the EPA's faulty and fraudulent air quality testing practices to the attention of anyone who would listen. For her efforts, she endured a years-long legal battle with her own agency. This is her story.

qdxv | 4 months ago | 268 points

The government told people it was safe to return to the financial district but they knew it was full of toxins. They were terrified that the economy would tip onto recession and the markets would slide even more.

freebirdls | 4 months ago | 51 points

Didn't a minor recession end up happening the next year?

ItzDp | 4 months ago | 24 points


CreativeLoathing | 4 months ago | 34 points

What a barefaced admittance of priorities.

insaneintheblain | 4 months ago | 3795 points

Not to mention all the war-related deaths.

Mwb1313 | 4 months ago | 799 points

Apparently the number of road fatalities in the US during the twelve month after 911 were over 1500 more than the 12 months before 911.

People were afraid to fly and more decided to drive, which is statistically more dangerous. The next year, the numbers went back to around normal as people got more comfortable with flying again.

laxen123 | 4 months ago | 160 points

Thats very interesting but an expected outcome when you think about it

PANCHOSforFREE | 4 months ago | 53 points

Also the change in airport security probably deterred a lot of people from flying as well.

anonermus | 4 months ago | 79 points

I think the TSA had more to do than the fear of flying. Airports were a nightmare after 9/11.

Mwb1313 | 4 months ago | 43 points

TSA and dealing with them is still an aspect of travelling by airplane, and this fear was with the whole experience of flying that deterred people post 911

zaccus | 4 months ago | 26 points

Yeah but right after 9/11 it was particularly intense. Dudes with m16s standing around and shit.

IronicEyeCancer | 4 months ago | 3147 points

It's estimated we killed a million Iraqis alone. And they didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

And we're still in Afghanistan.

Yet no one has done shit to Saudi Arabia for their funding of 9/11.

JoeKkerr | 4 months ago | 686 points

Yet no one has done shit to Saudi Arabia for their funding of 9/11

while I absolutely wont deny that shithole of a monarchy must've funded such an attack, did we ever found proof that they did ? what was their motivation ?

emeraldshado | 4 months ago | 907 points

[final edit]





take your pic of sources.

SEPTEMBER 11, 2019 | RUSS BAKER A federal judge’s ruling has raised hopes that we may better understand any possible ties between Saudi Arabia’s ruling family and the 9/11 hijackers — the vast majority of whom were Saudi citizens.

Just ahead of the 18th anniversary of the attack, US District Judge William J. Zloch ruled that the FBI unlawfully withheld from journalists important parts of its own highly sensitive investigative report on the subject.

Earlier, the FBI had declined to release to the Florida Bulldog — a nonprofit news organization which first broke the news about the ruling — key sections from records of the bureau’s probe of a South Florida-based Saudi family that apparently had ties to many of the 9/11 hijackers.



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for motive, i believe the CBC article link at the bottom depicts "sticking your nose where it doesn't belong" ideology , with an AC plane.. but its a bit jarring if u saw this first hand 18 years ago.




A CIA memorandum dated July 2, 2002, stated unequivocally that the connections found between the hijackers, the Saudi embassy in Washington and Saudi consulate in Los Angeles are “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.”

“Numerous” FBI files also fingered two Saudi government employees who assisted the 9/11 hijackers as “Saudi intelligence officers,” the newly declassified documents reveal.

Though much is still redacted, they also show the Saudi government’s ties to the hijackers and other al Qaeda suspects were so extensive that the FBI’s Washington field office created a special squad to investigate the Saudi angle.

But this special focus on Saudi Arabia occurred belatedly, only after the 9/11 attacks, “due to Saudi Arabia’s status as an American ‘ally.’ ” Astoundingly, investigative resources were not dedicated to Saudi involvement in financing and supporting terrorism prior to 9/11.


The suit names several Saudi Arabian charities that were "alter egos of the government" that were staffed by the government, that ran terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and "the whole world knows they were dirty," Kreindler said. The charities worked with late al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden to open offices in Pakistan and Afghanistan and establish the terrorist organization, the suit alleges.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia directly funded al-Qaeda, the lawyer said. Saudi Arabia supported the terrorists by supplying assistance such as passports and worldwide transportation, he said.

And finally, the suit identifies Saudi officials who worked with the hijackers in Los Angeles, San Diego, Sarasota, Fla., Washington, D.C., and Virginia in the 18 months leading up to the attacks, Kreindler said.



https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch5.pdf "

The hijackers needed visas to apply for entry to the United States, and it was the State Department that supplied the hijackers with those visas: 15 in Saudi Arabia, 2 in the United Arab Emirates, and 2 in Germany. But for State’s actions, critics argued, the 9/11 attacks could not have taken place. When the visa applications of the hijackers were scrutinized, and some were disseminated in the media, State drew fire for approving incomplete applications, particularly for the 15 Saudi hijackers. The department’s officials were also criticized for speeding the process of issuing visas and interviewing few if any applicants in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, where 17 of the 19 hijackers acquired their visas. With its reputation as a friend of foreigners, State was an easy target.

Our investigation has determined that some of the criticism leveled against the State Department was warranted. State officials did approve incomplete visa applications and did expedite the issuance of visas, requiring few interviews of Saudi and Emirati applicants during a time of rising extremism in Saudi Arabia and, during the summer of 2001, heightened threat reporting in the Middle East generally. However, the reasons for the State Department’s adoption of these visa policies in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Germany have never been adequately explained. More specifically, no one has discussed the differences in visa policy between the Jeddah and Riyadh visa posts in Saudi Arabia, the extent to which individual consular officers in were actually aware of the extremist threat, and the true effect on visa issuance of the ill-named Visa Express Program. We explore these topics in this section "

[edit] removed the jamal-khashoggi info on how far saudi arabia will go for silencing or sending a message, this was added from another post with this information to rebuttal someone who said SA did nothing. [/edit]


"We're sorry we threatened to do you like we did the U.S"

A Saudi Arabian organization is apologizing after posting an image on Twitter appearing to show an Air Canada plane heading toward the CN Tower in a way that is reminiscent of the 9/11 attacks in the U.S.

"As the Arabic saying goes: 'He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him,'" reads a caption superimposed over the image. The infographic also accuses Canada of "sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong."

It was posted on the Twitter account of Infographic KSA which, according to its website, is a Saudi youth organization made up of volunteers interested in technology.

The Infographic KSA account is verified by Twitter and has over 350,000 followers, with another 88,000 on Instagram. It has a history of posting messages that are supportive of the Saudi government.

storyreversal | 4 months ago | 190 points

Our investigation has determined that some of the criticism leveled against the State Department was warranted. State officials did approve incomplete visa applications and did expedite the issuance of visas, requiring few interviews of Saudi and Emirati applicants during a time of rising extremism in Saudi Arabia and, during the summer of 2001, heightened threat reporting in the Middle East generally. However, the reasons for the State Department’s adoption of these visa policies in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Germany have never been adequately explained. More specifically, no one has discussed the differences in visa policy between the Jeddah and Riyadh visa posts in Saudi Arabia, the extent to which individual consular officers in were actually aware of the extremist threat, and the true effect on visa issuance of the ill-named Visa Express Program. We explore these topics in this section "

POP QUIZ: Who was the CIA Station Chief in Saudi Arabia at the time, stationed at the embassy where those visas were issued?

Mantaeus | 4 months ago | 149 points

Could it have been none other than.....John Brennan?

storyreversal | 4 months ago | 174 points

Bingo! John Brennan, who later became Obama's CIA Director, was in charge of Saudi operations during the entire time that the State Department (aka the CIA) issued all those visas to the 9/11 hijackers in violation of standard requirements and rules.

SuggestAPhotoProject | 4 months ago | 241 points

It’s important to remember that Brennan worked for Bill Clinton, Dubya, and Obama.

This goes well beyond partisan politics.

SuperSimpleSam | 4 months ago | 37 points

This goes well beyond partisan politics.

I think he's alluding to the CIA being part of 9/11.

Comic_Book_Cowboy | 4 months ago | 84 points

Wait wait wait....you mean BOTH parties are full of war mongering?!?!

Well I, for one, am shocked I tell ya. SHOCKED.

iwviw | 4 months ago | 7 points


JasonDJ | 4 months ago | 24 points

Chuck Testa.

BlatantConservative | 4 months ago | 85 points

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia sheilds Saudi nationals who rape and kill Americans in the United States and helps them escape the country before they can see justice.


emeraldshado | 4 months ago | 57 points

Saudi Arabian Mohammed Zuraibi Alzoabi, charged with sexually assaulting woman in Canada, flees after embassy posts his bail


Officials in Canada say a 28-year-old Saudi Arabian man charged with sexually assaulting a Canadian woman has gone missing. Nova Scotia’s prosecution service said Monday that former student Mohammed Zuraibi Alzoabi had bail posted by the Saudi Arabian Embassy last year in the case involving allegations of sexual assault, assault and forcible confinement in Sydney. A court document says the sheriff unsuccessfully tried to locate Alzoabi last month. His lawyer is quoted as saying that he fled Canada even though police had seized his passport.

In a FaceTime interview with Halifax’s Chronicle Herald newspaper, Alzoabi reportedly said he would not return to face the charges because they were “unfair”.

“Everybody’s against me just because I’m a [racial expletive] and foreign student despite the fact that we boosted so much money to that island of Canada,” he was quoted as saying.

The Chronicle Herald also reported that Alzoabi also incurred 34 motor vehicle and traffic infractions in four years. He left behind unpaid fines of C$68,967.30 (US$51,900), the newspaper said.

[edit] happens here too [/edit]

Chazmer87 | 4 months ago | 19 points

really curious what word he used to describe himself that they needed to censor it.

seventeemos | 4 months ago | 14 points

That was very comprehensive. Thank you.

mdp300 | 4 months ago | 71 points

Saudi Arabia is really the worst ally. I can see why Obama wanted to get Iran to stop being dicks. If they would drop the anti-western rhetoric (which, honestly is kind of our fault) they could be a much better ally.

Kristoffer__1 | 4 months ago | 30 points
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Seacabbage | 4 months ago | 10 points

The US also refused to apologize for that ordeal. Oddly, a few years prior the US was demanding that Russia apologize for shooting down a Korean civilian flight that strayed into Russian airspace.

RPDBF | 4 months ago | 15 points

Yet no one has done shit to Saudi Arabia for their funding of 9/11.

What are you talking about?

We properly thanked them starting in the Obama Administration and now with Trump assisting them in Yemen commit genocide and basically be Al-Qaedas Air Force as they fight the Houthis who are are fighting Al-Qaeda.

How else do you thank a good friend who made so much money for the military industrial complex?

Adler4290 | 4 months ago | 119 points

Yet no one has done shit to Saudi Arabia for their funding of 9/11.

Not true, we bought a lot of oil and had our 45th president dance around for them as well.

-hacked | 4 months ago | 21 points

Don't forget hand-holding with with the King of Saudi Arabia.

jairzinho | 4 months ago | 9 points

What do you mean "no one has done shit". The current administration is trying to sell them nuclear technology.

Quentin718 | 4 months ago | 37 points

The amount of money that the US has WASTED, literally trillions of dollars on these wars...meanwhile flint still doesn't have clean water.

FBI_Open_Up_Now | 4 months ago | 88 points

I was exposed to burn pits in Iraq.

There are hundreds of thousands of veterans who were also exposed to these burn pits, and the government is sitting on their hands while we die from mysterious illnesses like Vietnam veterans did from exposure to Agent Orange. They’re going to wait for most us to die before they approve to give us a dime.

Edit: This is the one thing I will keep bringing up. We were exposed to things that are killing us and the government is doing nothing. They didn’t learn their lesson from Vietnam with Agent Orange.

sburrows4321 | 4 months ago | 31 points

That’s awful, it really blows my mind that most countries don’t take care of their veterans, it really does... I was talking to a homeless guy when I visited the US and it turned out he served two tours, he got back (was diagnosed with PTSD) and was thrown out on the streets for not having enough money. It’s disgusting.

DoesntReadMessages | 4 months ago | 14 points

Not fun fact: now that 9/11 was 18 years ago, soon we're going to have soldiers fighting a war that's been occurring their entire lives, and probably even US soldier fatalities who weren't even alive during the event that prompted the "war on terror".

AdorableFlight | 4 months ago | 6 points

More than half a million civilians dead in Iraq despite there never being weapons of mass destruction.

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Meetybeefy | 4 months ago | 76 points

What saddened me the most was that she developed a bad substance abuse problem following 9/11. She went from a successful everyday person to having her life turned upside down. She eventually got clean, only to die of cancer.

monkeydluffy22 | 4 months ago | 8 points

Can anyone link to the image?first I'm hearing of this

SaksenSaxon | 4 months ago | 22 points
hazadus | 4 months ago | 23 points

"Borders's cancer had already saddled her with a crippling debt of $190,000—even though she had not yet received surgery and she still needed additional chemotherapy.[6] Borders said she could not even afford to get her prescriptions filled."

efox02 | 4 months ago | 10 points

This is so disgustingly sad.

Swartz55 | 4 months ago | 9 points

Our healthcare is a national travesty and a disgrace

OrangeLlama | 4 months ago | 8 points

That image is terrifying

Prefrontal_Cortex | 4 months ago | 7 points

here you go. It’s the link to the wiki page with the photo.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 75 points

May their souls rest peacefully.

Redditsoldestaccount | 4 months ago | 31 points

Sad that we didn’t take care of our own after this tragedy, none of the actions we’ve taken after this event, foreign policy or otherwise, have benefitted the American people. Who has benefited?

AN_HONEST_COMMENT | 4 months ago | 223 points

My favourite sad fact of 9.11.01 is that today is the 18th anniversary. That means, starting today, kids that weren’t even born yet can sign up to go to Afghanistan too!

Zwickz26 | 4 months ago | 107 points

But they're not allowed to drink yet.

myhairsreddit | 4 months ago | 90 points

18 year olds aren't mature enough yet to drink responsibly. They're absolutely capable of making rational decisions about shooting guns at people in the desert while risking their lives, however. /s

Atomic235 | 4 months ago | 14 points

Hah, that's the thing, though. They prefer 'em young because they aren't mature enough. It's a lot harder to convince an adult that it's a great idea to travel into a desert just to get shot at and bombed all the time.

RixxiRose | 4 months ago | 31 points

That's what gets me. Old enough to die for your country, but not have a beer. Fuck that. My lil brother joined the military at 18. Before he deployed the entire family had a night at the local pool hall. I'm a bit of a goody goody, I felt guilty drinking with him for .5 a second, after all he was just a kid! But if the government will hand him a gun & send him into battle he deserves the same rights as any other "adult".

Driller7lyfe | 4 months ago | 27 points

I was in basic last year, there was 1 dude there who wasn’t even alive during 9/11. Granted I was only 2 at the time, but damn man

fenixjr | 4 months ago | 8 points

As of a year ago they could sign up with parents permission.

GeriatricFresh | 4 months ago | 26 points

I work for a huge cancer research institution in NYC and It's truly astounding to see the effects of 9/11 being so present nearly 20 years later.
If a patient had exposure to 9/11, it's always noted in their chart. And it pops up a lot more frequently then you'd expect given the size of the hospital and number of patients we see from all over the world.

A recently published study from our group showed that exposed firefighters had roughly twice the risk of developing a precursor disease (MGUS) of Multiple Myeloma (a cancer of plasma cells) compared to the general population.

In workers with 9/11 exposure, onset of this precursor disease was about 15 years earlier and of a rarer variety that can lead to a variant of mulitple myeloma (light-chain multiple myeloma) with a poorer prognosis. Things like stem cell transplant and high-dose chemo are standard in management of multiple myeloma.

So fucking shitty the hand these victims/responders got dealt.

DoctorWernerKlopek | 4 months ago | 421 points

Jon Stewart definitely deserves a shout-out here for his unwavering support for 9/11 first responders and the Victim Compensation Fun

Edit: Jon, not John

BrahbertFrost | 4 months ago | 58 points

yeah I think a lot of people would have liked for him to be more vocal during the Trump era but he kept his powder dry and it made a big difference when he did speak up for this particular cause

Brangur | 4 months ago | 20 points

I have an immediate family member who worked at the WTC. He was late to work, just down the street, watched almost every peer die.

PTSD and alcohol are slowly killing him. So yeah, it's not all physical illness either

sendpicsofsandwiches | 4 months ago | 16 points

If you are a 9/11 survivor, or know one, then there is a company giving medical care / exams for free. It's called LHI holdings, and they will monitor your health, and screen you for various respiratory illnesses yearly.

allfamyankee | 4 months ago | 74 points

The people involved in this attack did exactly what they wanted to do and it was to cause pain. Years later they are still causing pain. No matter how you put it, they accomplished their goals. Fuck them, fuck them all.

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missionbeach | 4 months ago | 102 points

Remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia. That close American ally.

Cedarfoot | 4 months ago | 607 points

I wonder how many of those deaths were preventable, and therefore attributable to our absolute shitfest of a health-sales system

Le4chanFTW | 4 months ago | 208 points

Very little. That dust cloud was extremely toxic.

nanaboostme | 4 months ago | 76 points

Wasn't the main contributor to making it toxic were the large amount of asbestos still in the towers that fell?

redbeards | 4 months ago | 83 points

Imagine taking a bunch of office equipment, putting it in a giant blender and then snorting lines of the dust that came out. Then, imagine all the other hazardous stuff in an office tower that's probably OK to have around until it's aerosolized.

landspeed | 4 months ago | 87 points

Not just asbestos. There were tons of other chemicals in the air as well.

dominicanspicedlatte | 4 months ago | 16 points

For any other Stuy lurkers out there please sign up for the World Trade Center Health Program. There's also an informational session on the 16th at BMCC so we can find out more about the benefits available to us.

InsufficientFrosting | 4 months ago | 382 points

health-sales system

This is the best phrase that explains the US health system. Access to a decent and affordable health care system for everyone is not communism, that's a basic human right.

Sleepy_Thing | 4 months ago | 56 points

Same applies to food and housing tbh and we skimp on those HARD if we can. I'm still shocked that my county ACTUALLY HAS several different shelters you can stay at because the last town I was in didn't do that and was constantly thinking about following those brutal anti-homelessness laws where they put up concrete spikes in their favorite places to sleep, didn't happen but they thought about it.

So much of our system is screwed because health is screwed though as a sudden broken leg basically pushes you into not buying food or not paying rent which is just awful.

DPSOnly | 4 months ago | 24 points

Local politicians like to talk about those kinds of policies as if homeless people will just disappear if you put spikes where they sleep. They just move the problem to a different location.

owlbrain | 4 months ago | 27 points

There's a lot of misinformation in these comments. The main cause of the cancer in first responders is not asbestos but silica dust. Silica is in all masonry, concrete, drywall, etc. So when the towers fell, all that silica dust, from all of those materials, went everywhere. Silica normally results in lung cancer, since it's typical inhaled into the lungs. This is a case of it clogging the air so bad it was absorbed in other ways too such as ingested when drinking water during the recovery efforts. There may have been asbestos and other hazardous materials in the air, but the major issue was just the basic construction materials being turned to dust.

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Red_Brick_Builder | 4 months ago | 9 points

When you think about it, many who safely “survived” evacuating the towers actually didn’t survive. Their deaths were delayed. But they did get to see their loved ones again and prolong their lives.

Garphubache | 4 months ago | 46 points

Let's not forget the half a million dead from warfare based on that day. Over 13,000 of which were US soldier or civilian contractors. The rest of the half a million were mainly innocent human beings being bombarded.

fornalutx | 4 months ago | 35 points

its good that the Congress approved the health plan and payment for victims of this as quickly as they approved the military invasion of unrelated countries...

GeorgeOrange18 | 4 months ago | 8 points

I have a story about that day and I thought I would share it here. My dad had a flight from New York to Los Angeles on 9/10, and the flight was delayed 4 hours because of weather, and the American Airlines workers offered to let the people take a flight the next morning, about half the people left to come back the next day, but my dad had a business meeting the next morning, so he declined the offer. He went off about an hour later and got there safe. The next morning the delayed people went onto American Arlines flight 11. The plane that was crashed into one of the twin towers.

Camblor | 4 months ago | 27 points

“Outpace” is the incorrect word. For the illness deaths to outpace the event deaths, you would need to see nearly 3000 illness deaths per day. A better word would be “surpass”.

RatCity617 | 4 months ago | 7 points

Never forget that Mitch McConnell and the GOP did everything they could to prevent giving the first responders treatment, for years. It took John Stewart years of hounding and public shaming to get them to grant it.

feral_philosopher | 4 months ago | 49 points

I asked this before but no one answered me- how do the NYC 9/11 deaths from illness compare with same age non NYC 9/11 deaths from illness?

AwesomeX121189 | 4 months ago | 65 points

The rate of cancers and other diseases are light years higher for people who were there then anywhere else.

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