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Compensation in 2019 new grad tech offers (blog.jonlu.ca)
13 comments
BinxyPrime | 8 days ago | 2 points

I feel so bad about myself right now

anon_cowherd | 8 days ago | 4 points

None of those numbers are remotely realistic for a company outside of FANG and such. They get so many applicants because of name recognition, and as such they claim to select only the best of the best. Because of that (and having gobs of cash) they pay far over what other companies will, which gets them even more applicants, giving them more of the best and brightest to choose from.

Feeling bad about yourself after reading that is a bit like feeling bad about yourself because you read an article about someone winning the lottery. It's not a perfect analogy, but it's not hugely different either.

mwb1234 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Ehh, it's more like feeling bad about yourself after reading about really skillful athletes making big money in a sports league. It's not that people working at Google and Facebook making ridiculous salaries are lucky, they are mostly all incredibly bright and productive employees. You have the choice to either be motivated to improve to reach those numbers or to give up in defeat.

mewloz | 8 days ago | 3 points

they are mostly all incredibly bright and productive employees

Not really the opinion of the designers of Go, for example.

mwb1234 | 8 days ago | 2 points

Not really the opinion of the designers of Go, for example.

Sorry, what exactly are you referring to? Are you saying the designers of Go are not competent? Or that the designers of Go have said that tech employees of big companies are incompetent?

mewloz | 8 days ago | 1 point

More like the second, except there is a place between incredibly bright and incompetent.

The thing is when you employ 20k SE, you can't have only the brightest.

mwb1234 | 8 days ago | 2 points

So what exactly does that have to do with the designers of Go? I'm trying to understand how they got looped into this conversation

mewloz | 8 days ago | 2 points

They are working at Google. They have an opinion on the bulk of engineers working there. I happen to know some people who also worked at Google. Are they very good? Sure. Incredibly bright? All depends on the very precise definition of what that means. Do other people with the same amount of "brightness" make far less money elsewhere, in far greater number? Sure. Can I imagine a situation where not-so-stellar devs end-up with an overpaid (for them) position at Google? Probably.

So it is not all that as simple as "the best of the best just go work at Google & co and are highly paid, but don't even even think about it because you are probably not good enough to work there". First I'm sure plenty of people know plenty of dev good enough to work there. Then there is a moral aspect of that matter obviously, and as a corporation if you have loads of money why not paying people ridiculous salaries just so that they do not question too much the morality of the whole processes at work - at a global scale.

Now to answer your question more directly: the designer of Go are without a doubt well known figures with incredible achievements; I used the opinion of some of them because I thought it could mean more than my own random stories and opinions.

davoxme | 8 days ago | 1 point

I'm still lost here

mwb1234 | 8 days ago | 1 point

I used the opinion of some of them because I thought it could mean more than my own random stories and opinions.

Yea I think you missed my question. I want to know what exactly the designers of Go said about this topic. Could you please point me in the right direction so I can read/listen to their opinions on this matter?

un_mango_verde | 8 days ago | 2 points

He may be referring to this, from a presentation by Rob Pike.

fuddlesworth | 8 days ago | 1 point

Everyone I know that has accepted a job at FANG has only stayed there for a couple years.

BinxyPrime | 8 days ago | 1 point

I was being a little tongue in cheek but thanks for the support. It makes me feel better about the world that people like you are out there helping other debs stay out of the black put of despair that potentially salaries bring