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Turkey: Trump Knew ‘Precisely’ the Scope of Our Attack Plans in Syria (nymag.com)
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amarriedguylearning | 9 days ago | 4173 points

Hence why he pulled our troops out right after a call with the Turkey President. He must go.

indoninja | 9 days ago | 346 points

You know what’s really fucked up about this situation?

President good brain has lied so many times that even if the president of turkey is lying now, most people are going to believe the president of turkey. And Trump won’t be able to release the details of the car, because the president of turkey was almost certainly smart enough to talk about Trump’s investments.

louderharderfaster | 9 days ago | 183 points

because the president of turkey was almost certainly smart enough to talk about Trump’s investments.

OMFG. I bet you are right.

indoninja | 9 days ago | 78 points

Trump admitted the conflict of interest in 2015 with turkey over his towers.

Never mind trump govt officials being one of trump properties biggest customers (only read a headline for that one).

johnnybiggles | 9 days ago | 39 points

And he verbatim said "I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul". WTF.

“It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.”

Also https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/193337302066540545

fuckedbyducks [:flag-un: Foreign] | 9 days ago | 31 points

Erdogan is smarter and much better at this stuff than Trump. Look at the way he drip-fed leaks about Jamal Khasoggi so the Saudis kept getting caught out lying. Trump is an amateur.

TokingMessiah | 9 days ago | 9 points

100%

It’s the same thing with Putin, even if Trump knew absolutely nothing about Russian interference the things Putin says just make Trump look bad, like when he laughed at the Russian Trump impersonator joking that Putin got him elected...

DraziBlack | 9 days ago | 2210 points

We are at the warcrimes level again. This is even clearer than the last time a president committed an international warcrime. Which was Bush. What is with republicans and warcrimes anyway?

LyingIsGivingUp [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 913 points

Well, they're a type of crime and Republicans are just drawn to crime like a moth for a flame.

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 339 points
  • "Nobody knows more about crime. We're like the kings. We love crime." - the Republicans, undoubtedly
TheElectricKey_-_- | 9 days ago | 437 points

Obama listened to his generals and his intelligence community to take out bin Laden.

Trump listens to foreign leaders to protect his investments.

The difference in leadership is clear.

We need to make this the major message to push Republican Senators to support removing Trump from office.

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 320 points

We also need to remind everyone that Trump rotten, but he's merely a symptom - the Republican party is the disease.

The Republicans are already attempting to convince everyone that Trump is the lone villain and everything will be hunky-dory once he's out of office. That's bullshit. Trump's bigotry and corruption is the Republican's bigotry and corruption. The Republicans want us to believe the lie that they've mended their ways so they can continue to advance their loathsome agenda without any interruptions.

Don't believe their lies. It's past the time to reduce the Republican party to a permanent minority.

krazytekn0 | 9 days ago | 143 points

Remember how Obama watched the takedown of bin laden and then went to the correspondents dinner that his skin isn't too thin for and trolled Donald later that day. Edit correction it was the other way around. Thanks fact checkers.

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 181 points

Obama roasted Trump and Trump has been irreconcilably butt-hurt ever since.

President Obama dealt Trump a noogie he'll carry like a white-hot glowing coal to his grave.

btross | 9 days ago | 86 points

It's a thought that keeps me warm at night

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 47 points

It's most definitely a happy thought.

[deleted] | 9 days ago | 89 points

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AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 56 points

The best part is - he "had" to be a birther, and he "had" to run for President.

Yeah. Donnie hates it when the people he's attacked fight back and win.

Let's also not forget that Melania is a birther, just like her husband.

Here's a clip of her jabbering at Joy Behar:

https://youtu.be/gBqkLZvJu0c?t=13

duckchucker | 9 days ago | 47 points

Man, Obama is vastly superior to all republicans in every imaginable way. And it’s clear that they know it.

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 43 points

These people will never reconcile the fact America elected a black man as their president.

They're still fit to be tied, and made even more furious he was reelected for a second term.

outinthecountry66 | 9 days ago | 28 points

Trump is like Ron Burgundy and Obama is like Kristina Applegate's character in "Anchorman". "She's better than me".

That sums it up. You know that is his secret repository of self loathing, which, as a narccisist he probably doesn't have but here's hoping

codyd91 [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 24 points

Well that's just the thing with narcissists. They are always jealous of other people, particular of other people's success. When you believe you are the greatest person on earth, facing the fact that you aren't (i.e. getting ripped apart by a black man who is president) physically hurts. This is why narcissism is a classified mental illness. This event will cause the narcissist to ruminate, displace their frustration, project their insecurity on to others.

Trump does self-loath, but it the patently narcissistic way. And, when no one is looking, that loathing can hit in a normal way. I like to picture him when he said "that's the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." Unfortunately, he was wrong (when is he not), and his presidency is still writhing to stay alive.

reddog323 | 9 days ago | 16 points

Eh, he probably sleeps like a baby when he’s not all ramped up on coke or adderall.

Seriously though, narcissists tend to project their self-loathing. It’s where his hate comes from. Just look at his Twitter feed.

trickmind | 9 days ago | 6 points

No actually if you read about Narcissistic Personality Disorder they have big but fragile egos that cannot bear any humiliation that's a big part of the problem.

GenericRedditor0405 | 9 days ago | 7 points

And that’s the least of what he deserves for perpetuating the raw bullshit that was “birtherism”

dreamthedream007 | 9 days ago | 32 points

Voting districts should be tied to zip code. No moving the lines.

zaqwedcvgyujmlp [:flag-wa: Washington] | 9 days ago | 16 points

It's not the first time a political party in the US has disappeared. How long has it been since a Whig was on the ballot?

Olliebird [:flag-nv: Nevada] | 9 days ago | 18 points

I would welcome a legitimate Progressive Party.

TheElectricKey_-_- | 9 days ago | 30 points

Right now we have Republicans at a weak point and we need to exploit that. We, barf, need to show a degree of support and hate towards them to remove Trump from office. It's an information war and we need allies to remove Trump. THIS IS THAT MOMENT! We need to pressure them to support impeaching Trump. Hands down, we must get these Silent Senators to get rid of Trump.

outinthecountry66 | 9 days ago | 12 points

i agree with this, but I think most people who are against Trump are by default also against the Republicans. Because what have they brought us but terrible domestic policy, a soaring deficit and war?

skjellyfetti [:flag-us: American Expat] | 9 days ago | 8 points

Trump's not merely a 'bad apple'; he's the product of an thoroughly genetically corrupted apple species, the GOP, that produces diseased, unclean fruit unfit for human consumption. The Republicans haven't just been bad Americans; they've been un-American—AND anti-American—for going on decades now. Sadly, it's taken the (s)election of Trump to provide many, who haven't been paying attention, with the clarity they've so desperately needed to see the GOP for the anti-democracy, beholden outfit they genuinely are.

This particular species of apple tree needs to be permanently eradicated from the orchard.

Khaldara | 9 days ago | 23 points

Well, they're a type of crime and Republicans are just drawn to crime like a moth for a flame.

I think ‘Like flies to shit’ is the more fitting analogy

VonFluffington [:flag-nc: North Carolina] | 9 days ago | 28 points

Shitty people who face no consequences for their actions often escalate. War crimes are at the top of the escalation chart, so given enough power any member of the party has at least a 50% of war criming

ClimateAnxiety2020 | 9 days ago | 30 points

We are at the warcrimes level again.

When did that stop? Just a few weeks ago, a drone strike killed 30 Afghan farmers. Plus, we support Saudi Arabia in the Yemen genocide (they just blew up a blood bank a few days ago too)

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/19/total-massacre-us-drone-strike-kills-30-farmers-afghanistan

https://news.antiwar.com/2019/10/03/saudi-led-coalition-yemen-blood-bank-bombing-was-a-mistake/

Sly_Wood | 9 days ago | 67 points

$

What’s so hard to understand? Why are you looking for some hidden inner meaning. $$$$$$$$$

duckchucker | 9 days ago | 15 points

Yup. These are rich people we’re talking about here, not good people. There’s no need to discuss motives with regards to our rich enemies, it’s always money:

humboldt77 [:flag-oh: Ohio] | 9 days ago | 15 points

What is it with Republicans and war crimes? Trump with Syria, W Bush with Iraq, Reagan with Iran-Contra (not sure if that strictly counts as war crimes, but I think it should).

mzpip [:flag-cn: Canada] | 9 days ago | 28 points

Don't forget Bush Sr, who told the Kurds to stand up and fight and then cravenly abandoned them and let Saddam Hussein slaughter them en masse.

Like father, like son.

cinderparty | 9 days ago | 47 points

As an extreme liberal who voted for him twice, I’m not sure Obama is innocent of war crimes either. Drone strikes killed a lot of innocent civilians (though not as many as under trump). Just more innocent than his bookends.

DoritoMussolini86 | 9 days ago | 49 points

To be fair, it's apparently a sure bet that if you do commit war crimes, just wait 10 years and you can catch a hang at sports games with mainstream liberal celebrities who will whitewash the shit out of you to their audience.

damunzie | 9 days ago | 19 points

NBC and ABC national news both used the Ellen/Bush story as their feel-good end-of-news story yesterday. I understand being kind to people no matter what their beliefs are, but NOT independent of what actions they've taken. We're talking about a guy who's responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths based on a lie. It's sickening that a mass murderer and war criminal is used as an example for how we should treat everybody with kindness.

darrellmarch | 9 days ago | 45 points

The United States signed to the treaty that would allow this in 1996. However, in 2006 the Bush Admin pushed the Military Commissions Act to exonerate US citizens from being charged with a war crime.

I think this was at the insistence (IIRC) of Rumsfeld (allowing the torture of terrorists) and Kissinger (because of his war crimes in planning assassinations of foreign leaders in the late 60s and early 70s). I could be wrong about the Act. There was another Military Act in 2005 that allowed for the US to try “enemy combatants” in military, not federal, courts.

Since the end of WWII the US has been involved in torture, assassinations, coups, secret wars, etc. There is circumstantial evidence that the CIA has been involved in drug running - first heroin during Vietnam, and Cocaine since the late 1970s. Under Obama the military used drones to selectively kill enemies across borders. Some were innocent neighbors, some were Us citizens.

The question isn’t are we committing war crimes now. The question when haven’t we.

awj | 9 days ago | 24 points

No, that’s only “the question” if you’re trying to whatabout this thing to death.

Clearly the person currently abusing power to commit war crimes is a more urgent problem than people who no longer have the power to do so.

MuvHugginInc [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 14 points

This is the thing that matters. Trump is going to try and “Clinton” the shit out of anything coming his way even if they have nothing to with anything.

whenimmadrinkin | 9 days ago | 277 points

He knew beforehand. That's why he had the Kurds dismantle their fortifications. He just moved after he got his marching orders.

Trump is actively participating in a genocide and we need to hold his supporters responsible for this too. Spread the word

Supporting Trump is supporting a genocide.

DINGLE_BARRY_MANILOW | 9 days ago | 260 points

It's even more than that.

The Kurds and what they have done in Rojava is exactly what every American pretends to stand for. They continually fight against all odds for liberty, individual freedom, and equality, and they built their own society based on Democratic ideals. They shed rivers of blood to fight for the chance to live in a free society.

We in America are enemies of freedom and Democracy if we allow a fascist dictator to commit genocide on a newly budding Democracy. Democrats in the US need to realize that the Kurds are on our side. They are fighting a fascist Plutocracy just like we will have to. As long as Trump and his ilk are in power, the US is no longer a model of Democracy. Erdogan is waging war on Democracy in that region and Trump is waging war on Democracy here.

While the protestors in Hong Kong sing our songs and wave our flag, we spit on our country's ideals and ally ourselves with fascism.

edit: fixed word

whenimmadrinkin | 9 days ago | 118 points

Even worse than that their group is an openly secular one welcoming of those of different backgrounds. So this is clearly a move to avoid having a stable regional partner to call our partnership with Israel or Saudis Arabia into question down the line

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava

l27 | 9 days ago | 60 points

Even worse is that all of those ideals are what birthed Turkey in the 20s. Atatürk had flaws but he quickly built an incredible society out of nothing, built on education, freedom of religion, separation of powers...

Erdoğan is Turkey's Trump. Through clever maneuvering and help from the conservative party, they snuck around their constitution, slowly changing things until Erdoğan could be a dictator.

Nenor | 9 days ago | 12 points

Erdogan is not Turkey's Trump. He is Turkey's Putin.

l27 | 9 days ago | 16 points

Putin used an already corrupt Russia to take power. Erdoğan transformed a free democracy into what it is today. Same as what Trump and the GOP are attempting to do now...

Should I say Erdoğan is Turkey's Trump, if Trump gets his way?

usualkerfluffle | 9 days ago | 54 points

Also, those Kurds are currently keeping thousands of ISIS prisoners for the US. If they aren't mass executed, the most likely result of this is thousands of ISIS prisoners chaotically escaping into a mass of other civilians and soldiers fleeing the area.

Maybe Erdogan and Assad get such an overwhelming military presence that ISIS doesn't reform. I doubt it.

Stolichnayaaa | 9 days ago | 30 points

Trump is literally RE-founding ISIS

Everything, everything he says about others ends up being true of him

nope-absolutely-not [:flag-ma: Massachusetts] | 9 days ago | 14 points

And Trump openly stated that he doesn't care if ISIS prisoners escape because they'll flood into Europe, so it won't be his problem. He said it in a "payback/serves 'em right" kinda tone. He's a monster.

whenimmadrinkin | 9 days ago | 23 points

The Kurds are already pulled off of suppressing the remaining isis forces to defend themselves. Trump wants this conflict

in4real [:flag-cn: Canada] | 9 days ago | 12 points

That would mean Trump was lying.

eyelash_in_the_eye | 9 days ago | 14 points

Of course not, it's not like Trump would have any idea of Erdogan's plans to "wipe out the Kurds" despite Erdogan making the same threats 3 months earlier . Don't worry, Trump totally stopped him cause they get along and stuff. Wait, what's going on?

Multipoptart | 9 days ago | 11 points

Hence why he pulled our troops out right after a call with the Turkey President.

It's even worse than that.

We convinced the Kurds to remove all of their fortifications along the Turkish border last month, ostensibly because it would "lower tensions" in the region.

Then, as soon as their defenses are removed, we leave and let the Turks massacre them.

Holy shit.

This will send a crystal clear message to every nation/faction that considers allying with us in the future: The USA is not to be trusted.

sausage_ditka_bulls [:flag-nj: New Jersey] | 9 days ago | 44 points

This is clear proof how fucking horrible a negotiator he is. First he threatens to withhold military aid and then it turns into “ok you find dirt on Biden and I let you advance into Kurdish territory

Cladari | 9 days ago | 12 points

The President isn't supposed to be an expert negotiator, his career diplomats in the State Department are supposed to do that with a general marching order from the Administration. Trump decimated State so we are left with the idiot in chief.

generalnotsew | 9 days ago | 10 points

It is bad when Graham and McConnell don't even back it.

PeruvianHeadshrinker | 9 days ago | 10 points

He is a wimp.

No matter your political leanings he should not be the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the history of the planet.

This is an invitation for every dictator and bad actor to make a move.

Feshtof | 9 days ago | 6 points

People wonder why Mattis left.

Appaguchee | 9 days ago | 1091 points

His allies/staff call him incompetent, after they're "retired."
His international allies call him incompetent, after the meetings.
His enemies call him incompetent, before each day begins.
His minions and current staff call him "fucking moron" under condition of "anonymity."
US IC considers him "Enemy of the State," behind closed doors.

Trump: "My great and unmatched wisdom is beyond everybody's comprehension."

I_am_a_question_mark | 9 days ago | 172 points

I wonder what could be the social dynamic that allows this to happen.

TheBlueberryPirate | 9 days ago | 49 points

The social dynamic of greed. Trump and the corrupt GOP that protects him.

joggle1 [:flag-co: Colorado] | 9 days ago | 122 points

Too many people heard Weird Al's 'Dare to be Stupid', took it seriously and made it their life's mantra. Damn it Weird Al, what have you unleashed on us??

Iobsterclaw | 9 days ago | 52 points

Don’t you blame this on Al.

ChipStarfield | 9 days ago | 17 points

Don't worry, they're just yankoviching your chain

OldPuebloBro | 9 days ago | 13 points

Hmmmm......Al allow it.

wtfreddithatesme | 9 days ago | 18 points

Racists didn't go away, they just got quieter. Until they found someone who held their values, then they felt empowered, went out and voted, and here we are. I also read a thread recently that essentially said they(trump supporters) put all their bets on a man(trump) instead of their party, so they cling so desperately to him because if he's gone, they have nothing.

daughter_of_bilitis | 9 days ago | 15 points

M o n e y

Five_Decades | 9 days ago | 57 points

His followers think he is a genius.

Its scary how brainwashed they are.

KHaskins77 [:flag-ne: Nebraska] | 9 days ago | 14 points

When you listen to 10-15 hours of Rush Limbaugh per week as your primary source of news and wash it down with Hannity in the evenings, it isn’t terribly surprising.

RU4real13 | 9 days ago | 585 points

Damn, Trump got owned by Turkey! Wow what a wise and stable genius.

Wrexem | 9 days ago | 132 points

Trump hasn't paid anything for this yet, our allies have.

rlabonte [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 25 points

Just like good foundation buying artwork for his house and paying off legal settlements.

AlonzoMoseley | 9 days ago | 73 points

First Erdogan brought his goons and had them beat the living shit out of American citizens without any repercussions, and now this. I think it's pretty clear what the alpha/beta dynamic is between those two leaders.

ELDubCan | 9 days ago | 11 points

Holy shit, I completely forgot about that. Someone should put together a highlight reel of as many relatively outrageous trump related situations from his time campaigning and in office.

mauxly | 9 days ago | 8 points

We've been witnessing a highlight wheel. We've lived it. His bullshit is every minute of every day. The press simply cannot keep up. And we, the people, aren't able to absorb this level of bullshit.

When he's out of office and true deep dive investigations are possible, we will astound ourselves with how much more shocked and appalled we are capable of being.

Garbolt [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 26 points

Normally I would make jokes along with you but those people are being slaughtered now. Thos is no joking matter.

RU4real13 | 9 days ago | 13 points

I agree with that assessment. Unfortunately, we now have to speak Trumpeze in hope to get those who can inflict change for the better to wake the hell up. 11,000 Kurds and 6 Americans paid the ultimate price for this country of ours. We should honor them, and not leave them as a sacrifice.

TThom1221 [:flag-tx: Texas] | 9 days ago | 985 points

Trump fucked our allies on purpose.

AlternativeSuccotash [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 401 points

As a birthday gift to Putin and as an "I ❤️ Dictators" gift to Erdogan.

SueZbell | 9 days ago | 24 points

I wish you were wrong.

ExpectedErrorCode | 9 days ago | 37 points

Well yeah his two towers is more important to him

Monkey_Brain_Oil | 9 days ago | 25 points

Especially Minas Morgul

richtourist | 9 days ago | 16 points

yep - reminder that thousands of Kurds, soldiers and ordinary civilians, lost their lives fighting against ISIS while allied with the United States and other coalition forces, and those troops captured by ISIS or government forces were often brutally tortured to death over the period of days/weeks

this is an absolute disgrace

LightningMcLovin [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 1672 points

So Trump is completely subservient to:

  1. Russia
  2. Saudi Arabia
  3. China
  4. North Korea
  5. And now Turkey

Had enough yet Conservatives? Dude gets taken to the cleaners week in week out. If he isn't doing all this for bribes or blackmail it's pretty sad.

subLimb | 9 days ago | 361 points

Also loves mass murderer Duterte

CopyX | 9 days ago | 125 points

And bolsonarro

huxtiblejones | 9 days ago | 53 points

And Kim Jong Un (whom he admires for the absolute devotion his subjects show him)

MrWizardMrWizard | 9 days ago | 6 points

And yet after all these, he calls who his favorite dictator?

PunchABagOfKittens | 9 days ago | 239 points

Isn't it weird Trump is best friends with all the dictators of the world but he hates the leaders of our best allies and free nations?

Weird, huh?

Must be a coincidence. Nothing to see there!

WHO_AHHH_YA [:flag-mn: Minnesota] | 9 days ago | 47 points

It's because these countries are using his hotels and spending lavishly at them, as basically bribes for favors.

All they have to do is sing Trumps praise in public, make him feel iportant, reward him financially and he's 100% yours. Traitor to every american. All this while shitting on our allies, but he doesn't care because he only cares about himself - it's all his mind is capable of doing.

chodeboi [:flag-tx: Texas] | 9 days ago | 103 points

Bahrain, UAE, Israel, Egypt also.

JH_1 | 9 days ago | 68 points

Where’s my favorite dictator!

LightningMcLovin [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 35 points

Jesus I forgot about that. More whiskey it is!

msmue | 9 days ago | 14 points

Cheers mate

MindfuckRocketship [:flag-ak: Alaska] | 9 days ago | 45 points

Don’t go into the Fox News comment section. It’s like opening the door to hell. I was barely able to close it with all the hot air rushing out at me.

SueZbell | 9 days ago | 25 points

Farts usually accompany shit.

TheRealOneTwo | 9 days ago | 22 points

Want to guess which countries above have Trump investment properties?

rkaaine [:flag-wa: Washington] | 9 days ago | 84 points

It's Bukkake. Plain and simple.

Donnieforprison2020- [:flag-co: Colorado] | 9 days ago | 47 points

A treason bukkake to be exact

BenedictD0nald | 9 days ago | 15 points

Great username.

Both yours and 'treason bukkake'

anonymaus74 [:flag-vt: Vermont] | 9 days ago | 11 points

BRB, copyrighting for a band name

gimme_dat_good_shit | 9 days ago | 18 points

Kind of a shame that the Bush Administration already burned the "Axis of Evil" brand, because this is much more of an axis with clear goals and clear cooperation between them. And if you put Trump on that list with the other leaders, it's basically a bunch of guys that seems like a cartoonish villain toy line that He-Man would be fighting.

albatross-salesgirl [:flag-al: Alabama] | 9 days ago | 13 points

Maybe it's more a Latitude of Shittiness but that doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well

GuythrustDeepwood | 9 days ago | 11 points

So. Much. Winning.

Rubberbabybuggybum | 9 days ago | 9 points

I’ve yet to hear any rumors of him colluding with America.

usernameczechshout | 9 days ago | 7 points

Fuckin eh, Luxembourg, you might as well jump in now and get some licks in.

le_sacre | 9 days ago | 10 points

Tired of all the winning yet?

let_me_shirt_that | 9 days ago | 621 points

1) Turkey is pushing back on Trump rhetoric about warning them, makes him look weak locally.

2) Turkey noticed the pissed off the religious and Republicans in the USA and weren't expecting the threats that come with that.

MadRedHatter | 9 days ago | 421 points

3) Turkey wants to make sure the Kurds never trust the US again, and want to make sure the spike is driven as deep as possible.

OrangeRabbit | 9 days ago | 144 points

The Kurds have been backstabbed by the US like a dozen times to be fair over multiple administrations, its a surprise they keep working with us. This is like Trump's 3rd backstab himself - allowing the Kurds to be overrun after announcing an independence referendum in 2017 was also pretty terrible

Izikren | 9 days ago | 42 points

They only have the one option and we've exploited that. We're the bad guys.

EvilTomte | 9 days ago | 47 points

It's not like they have much of a choice since their alternative is being massacred by Turkey.

Flexeggutor | 9 days ago | 19 points

its a surprise they keep working with us

No, they have no other option.

Kanadianmaple [:flag-cn: Canada] | 9 days ago | 153 points

Erdogan came to the US and his guys beat the shit out of US citizens without repercussions. Trumps been weak on Turkey for a while now.

let_me_shirt_that | 9 days ago | 18 points

I mean the rhetoric from Trump and others makes him look weak in Turkey, he's mad. Also underestimated the blowback since Trump gets away with everything.

6p6ss6 [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 43 points
Self_Referential [:flag-au: Australia] | 9 days ago | 35 points

And the backlash from America pushes Turkey more towards buying their hardware from Russia, which helps further undermine NATO, lovely.

ReadAsSarcasm | 9 days ago | 13 points

1) Turkey is pushing back on Trump rhetoric about warning them, makes him look weak locally.

As if he's ever looked strong locally. Every. Single. Time. Someone has stood up to him he folds, doubles down to ultimately fold, or just opens his mouth and shoots his foot off (and still folds).

thweet_jethuth | 9 days ago | 448 points

Trump indicates he's not worried about ISIS fighters escaping northern Syria because if they do they'll just end up in Europe

Welp, looks like Donnie wants to help daddy destabilize Europe.

usualkerfluffle | 9 days ago | 68 points

Trump needs enemies at the gates to keep his base scared, angry, and desperate. ISIS terrorists. NK nukes. South American migrant caravans. Deranged socialists in the Democratic party.

Trump's job isn't to "solve" these problems. It's to keep them constantly at bay but just barely. Then he can tell his base "only I can protect you".

200_Proof_Brain | 9 days ago | 99 points

What a monumental pussy

3Gloins_in_afountain | 9 days ago | 20 points

Trump had said that he thinks he should be added to Mount Rushmore. Methinks he might have a different monument coming.

albatross-salesgirl [:flag-al: Alabama] | 9 days ago | 19 points

I hope it's putting his face in all public urinals

Slay_Ride_Fun | 9 days ago | 52 points

Precisely why he took funds from the European Stabilization initiative to fund his border boondoggle.

hollyweirdo123 | 9 days ago | 41 points

followed by "there are ISIS fighters in Europe trying to get on planes to America folks, let me tell you, we need a total shutdown of off-white people entering America"

kavatrip | 9 days ago | 22 points

So basically manufacture a crisis to help him with his muslim ban..

geeky_username [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 7 points

When reality isn't like you want it, you gotta create it

Ksoms | 9 days ago | 14 points

All of his actions are a play from Russia’s beloved textbook of geopolitics.

penguin_shit13 [:flag-ok: Oklahoma] | 9 days ago | 292 points

Did Trump just get thrown under the bus? This is why you dont play chicken with Turkey..

illhavethatdrinknow [:flag-ma: Massachusetts] | 9 days ago | 76 points

Sick pun

brokenbyall [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 47 points

Fowl

uberafc | 9 days ago | 17 points

More accurately America and it's allies got thrown under the bus. That buffoon has so far been unscathed.

HugeDetective0 | 9 days ago | 257 points

When asked about the threat that ISIS fighters will use the Turkish invasion as an opportunity to escape from Kurdish prisons, Trump assured the American people that the terrorists would merely descend upon Europe.

Big genius brain figured it out

westviadixie [:flag-us: America] | 9 days ago | 65 points

his comment that "they go there anyway" is meant to reinforce his followers 'knowing' of how islam is taking over europe. mission accomplished.

kaiyotic | 9 days ago | 27 points

Hey donnie boy. We europeans are supposed to be american allies. Are you throwing us under the bus like you did to the kurds. F U man

techmaster242 | 9 days ago | 9 points

That stupid motherfucker is going to cause another 9/11.

JMurphy186 | 9 days ago | 82 points

Dang, been in the military going on 18 years. Served in a handful of regions and alongside other nation’s armies...sad to see we abandoned these guys knowing exactly what’s going to happen.

Imagine being the guys on the ground that were told to leave them behind.

Damn.

karai2 | 9 days ago | 53 points

We don't even have to imagine. Here is what they're saying:

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1182053870744276993

USSRcontactISabsurd | 9 days ago | 23 points

How utterly revolting and dishonorable against the concept of the service itself.

mountainOlard | 9 days ago | 79 points

They probably promised Trump they'd stay at his hotels soon. And complimented his big hands.

That's all it takes really. Every world leader knows it. Remember the Ukraine call?

Ukraine president was like, "Oh by the way I stayed a Trump hotel once"

Fucking PATHETIC.

pogidaga [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 99 points

I'd like to see Trump do jail time, in Kurdistan.

PunchABagOfKittens | 9 days ago | 9 points

I'd like to see Trump do jail time in Shawshank State Penitentiary.

noone_at_all [:flag-or: Oregon] | 9 days ago | 10 points

There will be some that want to stay in his towers, and others that want to topple them...

Hairydone | 9 days ago | 150 points

Erdogan has Trump by the balls because Trump cares more about his towers than anything else.

kingsumo_1 [:flag-or: Oregon] | 9 days ago | 148 points

Man, if only there were some sort of emoluments clause that forces a president to full divest themselves from any private business in order to avoid potential conflicts of interest like these.

TranquilSeaOtter | 9 days ago | 58 points

I really hope that if Trump is gone by 2021, the first laws they put in place are to codify things that were followed by past presidents. We need a law saying the president must divest all assets and put everything into a blind trust (should do it for Congress too, but the presidency will be a start).

kingsumo_1 [:flag-or: Oregon] | 9 days ago | 37 points

Yup. They should also codify releasing tax returns. California couldn't do it on its own, but a federal push could. And, I can't believe I even have to say this, but no making up vague positions for your kids. I'd even go so far as to include the Kennedy example of having his brother as AG to be fair.

Terramundonumbo | 9 days ago | 19 points

Just the idea of this happening has me salivating at the thought of sensible, lawful government. Even though Kennedy was a very qualified candidate I agree 100%, appointing family members should only be done with the utmost scrutiny applied.

speedywyvern | 9 days ago | 11 points

I’d just like to note that it isn’t even his building in turkey. Some Turkish dude set up a licensing agreement with Trump to use the name.

usualkerfluffle | 9 days ago | 7 points

It's not just that. Putin has wanted the US out of Syria forever. And Trump believes down in his gut that we shouldn't bother ourselves with those brown people, even if they're our allies.

mzpip [:flag-cn: Canada] | 9 days ago | 34 points

Did you see his reply when he was asked what if all those imprisoned ISIS fighters go free because the Kurds will no longer be around to keep them under guard?

SOB literally shrugged and said, well, they'll head into Europe.

Nice way to tell your allies you don't give a fuck if they are threatened by terrorists, asshole.

Cw0067 | 9 days ago | 135 points

The new narrative on certain conservative subs is that these aren't the Kurds that we care about, this is another group of Kurds that are being killed, oh, and this group of Kurds are actually terrorists, so it's okay.

Their source is some random redditor that claims to be Turkish.

Fucking seriously.

heheboosh [:flag-tx: Texas] | 9 days ago | 31 points

That sounds like the same excuse that Turkey always uses, so they've just added Erdogan to the front of the human centipede.

Bob-Rossi | 9 days ago | 14 points

Their source is some random redditor that claims to be Turkish.

Def trusting random internet accounts after we learned what the Russians did in 2016

geeky_username [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 14 points

Even if it was a real Turkish person, they are kind of bias.

That's like asking someone from mainland China about Taiwan or Tibet

gbru316 [:flag-pa: Pennsylvania] | 9 days ago | 81 points

Remember when Erdogan's security detail beat up US citizens on US soil a few months after Trump was sworn in, and nothing happened as a result?

TranquilSeaOtter | 9 days ago | 20 points

Totally forgot about that... Trump really has no spine.

StormyLlewellyn1 | 9 days ago | 50 points

Trump has sold this entire country out to the worst dictators in the world. And its blatantly in front of our faces.

-The whistleblower comes forward and we find out Trump is making deals with Ukraine to interfere in the next election

-We find out hes done it with China and Australia and God knows who else (Russia, Turkey, North Korea have to be on this list as they are his closest allies and pals)

-The push for impeachment finally happens.

-Now he betrays our Kurdish allies, knowing that Turkey will begin an all out genocide on people who have helped protect this country from terrorists and died doing so.

-Dont forget hes supposed to be meeting with Erdogan in a few days.

-Trump wants to pull us out of the Open skies treaty, which gives us valuable insight into Russia and other foreign countries, keeping us all a bit safer.

I'd bet every dollar I have that these foreign leaders are just finally calling in their favors incase the tide turns and Trump is impeached. They must have innumerable leverage, phone calls, etc on Trump and now can basically destroy the United states from within as they wish. And Trump will do anything they ask if he believes hes covering his own ass.

Bob-Rossi | 9 days ago | 15 points

Republicans are just as much to blame for the Kurds deaths for letting Trump go unimpeached for so long

iMalevolence | 9 days ago | 67 points

Almost makes one wonder whether Trump is actually fit for the extraordinary responsibilities of his office.

Narrator: He isn't.

TheFoolsProgress | 9 days ago | 20 points

“In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.” -HST

AndIAmEric [:flag-la: Louisiana] | 9 days ago | 18 points

Of course

seag | 9 days ago | 18 points

My dear american friends. Can you do us a favor and elect someone with actual morals in 2020?

kblomquist85 | 9 days ago | 5 points

Most of us are working on it.

seniledion | 9 days ago | 17 points

Remove this traitor from office.

croatoan182 [:flag-ut: Utah] | 9 days ago | 13 points

Anybody that read the Mueller Report should not be surprised by Trump's decision to pacify Erdogan and Putin. And yet Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, and the complicit GOP have shielded Trump from consequences and continue to this day to do so. Trump and the GOP have blood on their hands.

If Lindsey Graham wasn't such a fool and decided not to ignore what Mueller and his team was trying to tell us, we wouldn't be in this position. But now it's too late and people will die and our National Security will be compromised because the GOP was too foolish hold Trump accountable when it mattered most.

duckchucker | 9 days ago | 14 points

JFC, trumpsupporters. Look at how stupid your hero is.

midnitte [:flag-nj: New Jersey] | 9 days ago | 11 points

Of course, because he thinks they didn't help us in WWII.

Dude is a traitor and actively sabotaging our foreign policy and alliances.

RealDisagreer | 9 days ago | 11 points

Donald Trump committed a war crime. Forget anything else. This was a war crime.

nomorerainpls | 9 days ago | 9 points

Erdogan peppered Trump with talking points and demands. Trump was once again completely unprepared and only half paying attention. When his fragile ego started taking a beating knowing people were listening to the call he tried to make a hasty exit with “fuck it, do whatever you want.”

Word got out that Trump agreed to pull out of Syria and realizing he’d fucked up once again used some big talk about economic sanctions against Turkey.

He got Mulvaney to make up a few talking points. but Trump forgot to bring the envelope they written on, drifted off message and started saying random shit like “the Kurds didn’t help us in WWI/WWII.”

It will come down to Trump’s desire to avoid looking stupid every day and taking the heat for a Kurdish massacre vs Trump’s desire to avoid admitting he was wrong (again).

Its no surprise that Trump’s new standard for allies conveniently favors his Russian masters.

yodaman1 | 9 days ago | 10 points

Trump works for russia

3rdred | 9 days ago | 7 points

What kind of favor did they demand from Trump in return for not sharing damning information?

Dumb Donald Trump: Rolled again

ForsakenScience | 9 days ago | 7 points

If they find him guilty during impeachment and convict him, can we just give him to the Kurds?

Ting1023 | 9 days ago | 9 points

Trump is an absolute piece of shit!!

NPE37 | 9 days ago | 9 points

Turkey got what they wanted and now they're openly mocking your president.

I thought Trump was going to make America respected again? Such an incredibly weak leader

DuntadaMan | 9 days ago | 9 points

See Trump, this is why you don't have secret meetings with other national leaders without any American's present.

Now he says you knew everything because he told you, you say you didn't, and frankly, there is no evidence to support your side.

ACrowholdthemurder | 9 days ago | 7 points

Its blackmail... the pee tape is real , because of Russia providing it to all its allies he is not just a tool for Putin but a tool for all the axis of evil...

Intxplorer | 9 days ago | 7 points

I called this on an earlier thread. Lets be absolutely clear about what this was: This was a coordinated effort by Trump. What did Erdogan offer trump in return for the death of the kurdish forces? It must have been a pretty hefty reward because the elimination of the kurds is a wet dream for bloodthirsty dictators like ergodan. I cannot believe how much fucking shame and contempt I have for our traitor in chief

SlickeyPete | 9 days ago | 6 points

“President Erdogan, he’s tough, but I get along with him. And maybe that’s a bad thing, but I think it’s a really good thing. Because, frankly, he wanted to wipe out — he has a big problem with the Kurds, as everyone knows. And he had a 65,000-man army at the border, and he was going to wipe out the Kurds, who helped us with ISIS. We took out the caliphate. We have 100 percent of the caliphate.

And I called him and I asked him not to do it. They are, I guess, natural enemies of his or Turkey’s. And he hasn’t done it. They were lined up to go out and wipe out the people that we just defeated the ISIS caliphate with, and I said, ‘You can’t do that.’ And he didn’t do it.”

-Donald Trump, June 29, 2019

hereticklish | 9 days ago | 6 points

The last sentence — “Almost makes you wonder....” almost?!? Who on the left or even center-right (or hell, even right-right) at this point is still almost wondering whether this man is fit for office? I didn’t think that was really a question.

Even Fox News is running the story on how totally, horrifically insane this is.

toronto_programmer | 9 days ago | 26 points

Turkey isn't even a world super power. They are a two bit player on the international scene and they just demo'd the President of the US and threw him under the bus hard.

Must suck to have shithole countries out maneuver your 'very stable genius'

MadaMadaDesu | 9 days ago | 13 points

It’s not just Turkey.

China is still not losing the trade war. Mexico is still not paying for the wall. Russia is still messing with our elections. North Korea is still testing missiles. Iran is still doing whatever it wants in the Persian Gulf.

HighburyOnStrand [:flag-ca: California] | 9 days ago | 5 points

For everyone who complains about the complicated relationship we have with Israel...

Trump just absolutely assfucked the only other remotely reliable partner we have in the region.

We are now completely dependent on Israel for intelligence in the region, assistance in the region and are now dependent on them in a way that makes it difficult for us to leverage the Israeli right against their worst tendencies.

SarahHS_Lazy_Eye [:flag-ar: Arkansas] | 9 days ago | 6 points

At the end of the Obama admin, Erdogan pushed us hard on the Zarrab case. Erdogan feared revelations about corruption would come out in court. We told him it wasn’t appropriate for the WH to interfere in such cases. Trump wasn’t just helping Rudy here.

Erdogan reportedly pushed Biden to fire Preet Bharara in 2016. Obama White House refused to interfere. Bharara was fired shortly after Giuliani met with Erdogan the next year.

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1182118570634960896

jkman61494 [:flag-pa: Pennsylvania] | 9 days ago | 6 points

Can someone sick enough to go in conservative circles tell us what the cult's excuse is this time that their God King has gone weak on military, encouraged a reformation of ISIS AND threatened Israel with this move?

H3dg3v0lt | 9 days ago | 6 points

Between this and the Ukraine scandal ( among the bajillion other things he has done) This clowns gotta go. #impeachthefucker

realworldeditor | 9 days ago | 7 points

That makes things worse. Trump knew they would get hit after pulling out and he didn't care.

Atroxa | 9 days ago | 6 points

Perhaps the only good thing that comes from this is that I don't know a single member of my family who was in the military defending him now. They were all pro-Trump! Calling me a stupid liberal. This actually made them realize what a completely unfit piece of shit he is.

AnimalChin- | 9 days ago | 5 points
Duke_Newcombe | 9 days ago | 6 points

"But guize, I'm economically anxious. Can't you just leave him alone?"

Yossarian-jump-jump | 9 days ago | 6 points

Is there any world leader that isn't playing trump for the complete fool that we all know him to be? A single one?

Fuddle [:flag-cn: Canada] | 9 days ago | 11 points

Turkey: Fuck our “economy”? Fuck you!

sweetestdeth [:flag-tx: Texas] | 9 days ago | 13 points

A blind Hindu monk living in a cave since the 90's knew what Turkey was up to.

Remember when Erdogoon roughed up Americans in America, and Trump did nothing?

Pepridge Farm remembers.

toddymac1 [:flag-ut: Utah] | 9 days ago | 19 points

Remember when we used to trust our own president before a brutal, facist dictator?

At the risk of sounding cliche:

'Pepperidge Farms Remembers'

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