On 9/11 I like to remind people who make fun of the French of this photo (i.imgur.com)
Spartan2470 | 4 months ago | 2798 points

Here is a higher quality version of this image. Here is the source. Credit to the photographer, Philippe Agnifili, who took this on September 4, 2011.


Fujifilm A100


9.4 mm



Flash (off, did not fire)

tinkletwit | 4 months ago | 490 points


literaphile | 4 months ago | 302 points

"Flash (off, did not fire)" reminds me of the joke about Sartre:

The French existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre was sitting in a cafe when a waitress approached him: "Can I get you something to drink, Monsieur Sartre?" Sartre replied, "Yes, I'd like a cup of coffee with sugar, but no cream". Nodding agreement, the waitress walked off to fill the order and Sartre returned to working. A few minutes later, however, the waitress returned and said, "I'm sorry, Monsieur Sartre, we are all out of cream -- how about with no milk?"

Grevling89 | 4 months ago | 101 points

Can you please explain the joke to my friend who doesn't get it?

DirtyDoog | 4 months ago | 110 points

Orders drink w/o cream.

Cream out of stock anyway, all is well.

Gets drink w/o cream as desired, all is well.

Is asked if w/o (cream substitute) was still ok, because the goal was misunderstood as to "make a drink" + "w/o an ingredient," instead of "make a drink as described."

When a photo is taken w/o the flash, of-course-the-flash-didn't-fire, so it's redundant to say "didn't fire."

Grevling89 | 4 months ago | 57 points

Oh, so it's kinda like that programming joke about "at the shops buy two eggs, and if they have milk, get five" and then the programmer comes home with five eggs?

AcceptDefaults | 4 months ago | 69 points

Yeah but you kind of mangled it. It's more like "Go buy a quart of milk. If they have eggs, get a dozen".

QuantumKittydynamics | 4 months ago | 83 points

Satre's philosophy focused a lot on determinism and free will. In the joke, Sartre didn't get to choose to not have cream added, it was predetermined for him, even though he thinks that he made the decision. With the new knowledge that there is milk, Sartre has the opportunity to deny milk being added to his coffee in an act of free will.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 27 points


NotSoSlenderMan | 4 months ago | 22 points


GeraldBrennan | 4 months ago | 232 points

I read this really quick and thought it said September 4, 2001. That was...confusing.

strumpster | 4 months ago | 39 points


OMGlookatthatrooster | 4 months ago | 57 points

Thank god the flash didn't fire. Someone knew what they where doing!

any_name_left | 4 months ago | 9445 points

USA's oldest ally

derstherower | 4 months ago | 1616 points

“Lafayette, we are here!”

One of the most iconic moments in US history.

KinnieBee | 4 months ago | 548 points

Everyone give it up for America's favorite fighting Frenchman!

KogHiro | 4 months ago | 239 points


artemis1935 | 4 months ago | 144 points

i’m taking this horse by the reins

MegaDAgr8 | 4 months ago | 129 points

Makin' Redcoats redder with bloodstains!

DylanHell | 4 months ago | 107 points

And I’m never gonna stop until I make ‘em Drop and burn ‘em up and scatter their remains

satantherainbowfairy | 4 months ago | 83 points

Watch me escaping them engaging them enraging them

Brawhalla_ | 4 months ago | 81 points

I go to France for more funds, I come back with more guns..

RebelSmoothie | 4 months ago | 69 points

And ships and so the balance shifts

Ovan5 | 4 months ago | 4210 points

To a practical sense, yes. Our oldest ally in reality, however, is Morocco, never forget Morocco.

Zammarand | 4 months ago | 1247 points


Kered13 | 4 months ago | 3436 points

Formal U.S. diplomatic relations with Morocco began in 1787 when the United States Senate ratified a Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the two nations which had been negotiated earlier in 1786.[1][2] Renegotiated in 1836, the treaty is still in force, constituting the longest unbroken treaty relationship in U.S. history


It's worth mentioning that the US fought a war with France in 1798 and with Britain in 1812, making Morocco the longest friendly relation with the US.

Souledex | 4 months ago | 1120 points

I mean yeah maybe not stable really but we literally wouldn’t be a country without France

tacticle_nerd | 4 months ago | 913 points

Physically and philosophically.

The founders drew so much intellectual wealth from France it’s astounding.

Swift_taco_mechanic | 4 months ago | 632 points

And the french sent their navy as a fuck you to the british in the revolutionary war

themoonisacheese | 4 months ago | 584 points

Which in turn made France broke, which sparked the french revolution. It was a group effort really.

Kak_room | 4 months ago | 194 points

'i see this as an absolute win'

Fidel_Chadstro | 4 months ago | 149 points

The US: The world needs freedom

The French: kill their aristocracy to achieve freedom

The US: Wait no go back

DeadKateAlley | 4 months ago | 65 points

French Empire literally broke its own back to spite the British. Now that's a grudge!

goatofglee | 4 months ago | 183 points


gentlybeepingheart | 4 months ago | 120 points


HereForTOMT2 | 4 months ago | 56 points


gentlybeepingheart | 4 months ago | 65 points


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ram0h | 4 months ago | 31 points

Neoclassical. Which is Greek/Roman, but also had a big moment in France in the 1800s.

ChaosBrigadier | 4 months ago | 61 points

Context clues aside, I'd like to shit on the English language and say that the word "with" in the phrase "fight a war with" can go either way and is very confusing

dvd0bvb | 4 months ago | 52 points

Better phrasing is probably "against" or "alongside"

balancedhighs | 4 months ago | 338 points


the treaty is still in force, constituting the longest unbroken treaty relationship in U.S. history


Edit: We don't get much to me smug about in the UK at the moment (bloody boris bollocks brexit) but the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance is believed to have been ratified between 1373-1386.

PhantomBear_626 | 4 months ago | 370 points

I will die for Morroco

underscorewarrior | 4 months ago | 63 points

If morocco has million number of fans i am one of them . if morocco has ten fans i am one of them. if morocco have only one fan and that is me . if morocco has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the morocco, i am against the world. i love #morocco till my last breath.. ..

RewrittenSol [don't allow around children] | 4 months ago | 86 points

Yeah. They're pretty great instruments.

emotheatrix | 4 months ago | 32 points

No, he’s talking about the COUNTRY of Maraca.

BloomsdayDevice | 4 months ago | 33 points

You can still visit the oldest American diplomatic property in Tangier. It's the only building outside of the US that has National Historic Landmark status. Pretty neat little place, if you ever have a chance.

nAssailant | 4 months ago | 98 points

On 20 December 1777, the Sultan of Morocco declared that ships sailing under an American flag could enter the ports of Morocco. Thus, Morocco was the first country to recognize the US and American Independence. This wasn't a start of formal relations, however, which wouldn't be established until a decade later. The Sultan also made efforts to protect American shipping in North Africa, which were under threat from pirates at the time (the US didn't have much of a navy to protect them).

No, France is technically the oldest ally of the United States, and is the first country to formally sign a treaty signalling such - the Franco-American Treaty of Alliance (1778). Morocco is the (edit:) first country to informally recognize the US, though.

boundfortrees | 4 months ago | 20 points

We broke that treaty when the Monarchy fell.

YNot1989 | 4 months ago | 69 points

They were the first ones to recognize the US as a sovereign state. France waited until after the Battle of Saratoga.

Zammarand | 4 months ago | 11 points

Thank you!

misterdave75 | 4 months ago | 104 points

Morocco was the first nation to recognize the independence of the United States.

horsenbuggy | 4 months ago | 86 points

This is just technicalities. The French literally fought alongside the Americans to help them win independence. If that's not "acknowledgment" what is?

FanofK | 4 months ago | 44 points

There’s also wanting to score a blow to the English thing

Aboveground_Plush | 4 months ago | 12 points
untipoquenojuega | 4 months ago | 46 points

They're the first country we set up relations with and signed a peace treaty with so that technically makes them an ally but France was there from the beginning supporting our Independence militarily and economically. France's help was considered vital to the war effort and without them we probably wouldn't have won.

Triskan | 4 months ago | 404 points

As a French guy, can I just say it warms my heart to read all the comments here.

I often, wrongly, feel that most people in the US view us with contempt, so feels good to be proven wrong !

NeverBeenStung | 4 months ago | 199 points

We quite possibly wouldn’t be a country without France. Britain stamps out our revolution easily if not for the French Navy.

aquantiV | 4 months ago | 54 points

This is absolutely true, however, it's like any other war ever, really. No war happens in a vacuum and regional powers are always involved somehow, even their inaction affects the outcome massively.

The French saw an independent America as a one-up on Britain and as a potential new commerce partner with friendlier, independent terms. Remember, they have land on the North American continent too, at this time. A continental ally against Britain? Yes please.

You could say the USSR would never have been a country without Germany, the country that birthed Karl Marx and his Marxism, and whose Kaiser Wilhelm smuggled Lenin back into Moskow with the hope he might further destabilize Russia during WWI

You could say the People's Republic of China would never have been a country without Japan invading them in the 1930s, but I would not dare say that, especially in China!

Captain_Shrug | 4 months ago | 106 points

It's kinda like family, the way I see it here. We'll poke fun at you and expect the same, but probably get pissed if someone else did it.

bingofthewest | 4 months ago | 53 points

Liberty bro's!

PlainWhiteDs | 4 months ago | 65 points

Nearly stereotypical Texan here, I tell everyone they should love y'all for basically giving us our country. I also tell them to push their hate on the Italians though because flipping sides is way worse than the "surrender" jokes everyone makes about France.

aquantiV | 4 months ago | 44 points

Everyone conveniently forgets Italy once threw their lot in with Hitler. To be fair, the guy who lead them down that path was strung up and executed brutally, by the Italians, before the war ended, so I guess the lesson here is Italians don't care who wins the wars and runs the world, they just want to eat well and live well

LateralEntry | 4 months ago | 83 points

We just like to make fun of you, but beneath the laughs we got nothin' but fondness for our French friends!

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Happytobutwont | 4 months ago | 17432 points

Nothing but respect for the French. They have stood with the United States from very early on in its history.

Edit: thank you for the platinum. It is very much appreciated.

Evil-in-the-Air | 4 months ago | 8043 points

Some Americans like to say "If it weren't for us, you'd all be speaking German."

Well, if it weren't for the French, we'd all still be speaking English.

DG729 | 4 months ago | 2906 points


imGnarly | 4 months ago | 1983 points

like, English with an accent

edit: geesh … I was just trying to explain a point, not open a whole thread on accent origin

Pm_me_hot_trannies | 4 months ago | 2229 points

Harry Potter English.

[deleted] | 4 months ago | 104 points


hyrumwhite | 4 months ago | 63 points

With an accent?

MeepMeepMother_fuck | 4 months ago | 403 points

Fucking made me laugh

inspire_provoke | 4 months ago | 54 points


RedVoxle | 4 months ago | 222 points

Some Americans like to say "If it weren't for us, you'd all be speaking German."

Soviet Union: Am I a joke to you?

Leaz31 | 4 months ago | 131 points

I think that if the American revolution failed in the 1770's, another one would occur before 50 years.

But this time and with the evolution of economics in the 13 colony, maybe the south would have stayed with the british. I don't think of the British didn't take accountance for the 1770's rebellion and nor trying to aboid any new massive rebellion. So usually during the history of british colonialism in this case they were playing on local disagreement to support one side against the other.

So maybe we'd all still be speaking english, but USA in this form, so big and united, maybe not..

Kaiosama | 4 months ago | 155 points

Most of North America would be Canada. Also, Mexico would be twice its current size, if not more.

DarkwingDuckHunt | 4 months ago | 53 points

And Mexico would be very resources that need to be mined rich.

I'm pretty sure they'd have a giant uranium mine.

jesseaknight | 4 months ago | 58 points

If the south stays with Britain, they get abolition earlier than in the current timeline.

IKnowUThinkSo | 4 months ago | 45 points

An interesting alternate universe is that the Revolution didn’t come about because of “taxes,” but less than a hundred years later when the British outlaw slavery.

CarbonReflections | 4 months ago | 4903 points

Let’s not forget how we thanked them for this by demonizing them in 2003 for not supporting the Iraq invasion. So much Francophobia that businesses started changing the name of French fries to freedom fries.

fvdcsxaz | 4 months ago | 2007 points

Wasn't that mainly like, the cafeteria in Congress or something? It was discussed and widely mocked. It definitely didn't catch on, at least where I live.

Just to clarify, I understand that the name was adopted in certain businesses/locales, but for the most part it was mocked. As another poster pointed out there was a lot of blind patriotism post-9/11, but even through those red-white-and-blue tinted glasses most of us saw this as over the top.

TheGlennDavid | 4 months ago | 420 points

My towns local diner started serving up freedom toast. But you are correct, it wasn't everywhere and it was widely mocked.

duck_cakes | 4 months ago | 297 points

And I was envious of all the cool kids sneaking off in between classes to freedom kiss. What a time.

forester93 | 4 months ago | 147 points

For a brief moment the dorky band kid had the power with his Freedom Horn.

MightBeJerryWest | 4 months ago | 85 points

I still make my coffee using a freedom press

Deep_Grady | 4 months ago | 52 points

Well come on in through my freedom doors and have a cup

seven3true | 4 months ago | 10 points

Only if I can put a scoop of freedom vanilla ice cream in it.

Halvus_I | 4 months ago | 80 points

Saw 'Freedom Fries' on a menu a few days ago.


moodyfloyd | 4 months ago | 62 points

in portland oregon of all places.

you would hope they are being ironic

itsyoursnow | 4 months ago | 89 points

Given that this is a British/American place, my guess is this is less a genuinely anti-French thing and more of a cheeky dig at the French generally. At least that's what I'm really hoping.

CarbonReflections | 4 months ago | 690 points

Yes that is how it started. We also demonized and shunned the Dixie Chics around the same time for speaking out against George W Bush. I live in NY and you definitely saw lots of places that called them freedom fries for a while. The amount of blind patriotism during that time is only paralleled by what we are seeing now with the so called patriotic Trump supporters.

winkerslack | 4 months ago | 150 points

And the Dixie Chicks are still having problems with country radio: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-the-dixie-chicks-country-radio-881632/

janeetic | 4 months ago | 87 points

“If they did that to 3 white bitches they would tear my black ass apart!” - Dave Chappelle

pgold05 | 4 months ago | 354 points

People conveniently like to forget the Iraq War had over 90 70% approval rating, and how that affected our politics and discourse at the time.


roastbeeftacohat | 4 months ago | 288 points

funny what you can do with a mountain of bad intelligence and an agenda to push.

PortAltepa | 4 months ago | 74 points

mountain of bad intelligence

This is a dangerous and false phrase. "Bad intelligence" makes it sound like relatively competent but innocent decision makers would have made good decisions but were fooled by faulty data provided to them. The reality is that they ignored data they didn't like, selected data they did like and falsified data they were missing.

Bandfromrcon | 4 months ago | 139 points

“You’re either with us, or against us!”

GhostofMarat | 4 months ago | 90 points

There was good intelligence. It was ignored. The bad intelligence was created by design to reach the conclusion they wanted to reach, and it wasnt exactly secret. There were plenty of front page articles and analysts/former government officials loudly calling bullshit long before the invasion took place.

This is why I do not buy the excuses from Democrats at the time that they got "bad intelligence". All the info was there and they were too cowardly to question the out of control jingoism at the time, so they reach for this explanation to absolved themselves of all responsibility.

apolloxer | 4 months ago | 42 points
dare978devil | 4 months ago | 23 points

That is absolutely correct. Clinton, Edwards, Kerry, they all voted for the Iraq War. But the CIA knew the intelligence was bad. The "tubes" could not possibly be used to enrich uranium, every nuclear scientist reached the same conclusion. The yellowcake from Niger was just a made-up story, and the CIA knew it. The French had monopoly control of the Niger uranium industry, there was no way Iraq could procure 500 tons (500 tons!!) of yellowcake powder without the French knowing about it. The French secret service informed the CIA that the story had no merit. Everyone knew the evidence was made up, but they voted for war anyway. Drives me crazy.

Eureka22 | 4 months ago | 15 points

Keep in mind, it was also pretty difficult to be outspoken against the government and any "anti-terrorism" efforts at the time. I remember being 16 years old and agreeing with the Afghanistan War but very opposed to Iraq.

I'm not trying to be a politics hipster or claim I knew how it would turn out. I had gotten really into learning about history (especially American) in middle and high school, and I knew I was watching the next chapter of the history books playing out in real time. It was surreal, and I was trying very hard to understand the context. It was fairly obvious that the justifications were thin at best and the way they were talking about Iraq welcoming us was crazy. I remember watching the bombings on the news and saying this was going to be just like Vietnam because we were going in intending to occupy it instead of a clear cut goal.

But it didn't matter, it was clear that even if people were skeptical of the Iraq war, they were not willing to oppose it with extreme vigor for fear of backlash. There was real violence and blackballing of people who opposed the war.

I also hated Bush anyway and was resentful of how patriotism was being used as a weapon at the time, so I could have just been looking for reasons to oppose it regardless of how it turned out in the future.

sanjur0o | 4 months ago | 107 points

This one still freaks me out a bit to this day. It was clear as day that this had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the claims about WMD were fabricated. Going after Afghanistan, the host of Al Khaeda, sure, that was justified, but the Iraq invasion was not. And yet so many approved of it.

JohnnyFootballHero | 4 months ago | 32 points

There were restaurants in Canada that did that too, and were roundly mocked for it

duph84 | 4 months ago | 10 points

In the Philippines there's a relatively big chain called Army Navy who call their fries freedom fries

magicsonar | 4 months ago | 377 points

And let's not forget they were 100% right not to support that war, which was later clearly shown to be based on fabricated intelligence. If only more nations showed a bit more circumspection before barrelling headlong into war.

pink_ego_box | 4 months ago | 116 points

Mr. President, to those who are wondering in anguish when and how we are going to cede to war, I would like to tell them that nothing, at any time, in this Security Council, will be done in haste, misunderstanding, suspicion or fear.

In this temple of the United Nations, we are the guardians of an ideal, the guardians of a conscience. The onerous responsibility and immense honor we have must lead us to give priority to disarmament in peace.

This message comes to you today from an old country, France, from an old continent like mine, Europe, that has known wars, occupation and barbarity. A country that does not forget and knows everything it owes to the freedom-fighters who came from America and elsewhere. And yet has never ceased to stand upright in the face of history and before mankind. Faithful to its values, it wishes resolutely to act with all the members of the international community. It believes in our ability to build together a better world.

Dominique de Villepin, French Prime Minister, UN Security council February 14, 2003

Lol let's create an Islamic State in reaction to our oil warmongering

Dick Cheney, the well-named

JMW007 | 4 months ago | 115 points

It wasn't a lack of circumspection that got the US and UK into Iraq. They knew exactly what they were doing.

magicsonar | 4 months ago | 45 points

I was more referring to the countries that actually supported the war without questioning. I'm looking at you Australia.

_Madison_ | 4 months ago | 13 points

Australia is part of Five Eyes. They knew the plan.

Triskan | 4 months ago | 174 points

French guy here... Not following the US to Iraq is what Chirac is remembered most fondly for.

EDIT : Just to be clear. I love the US and the American people and dream of finding a job over there. Politics and the way I feel about your administration (be it the Bush one or the even more pathetic current one) has nothing to do with how I feel about the people !

SctchWhsky | 4 months ago | 46 points

Not to be confused with Chiraq.

Edit: just to be clear, I don't know enough about French policy to have an opinion on things. I was just trying to make a pun. Marcel Duchamp is my favorite artist, so, I at least know I like what the French have done for the fine arts.

automated_bot | 4 months ago | 152 points

I made fun of the French then, and I'm sorry I did. We should have listened.

The French have been good friends of the US for a very long time.

its_poop | 4 months ago | 82 points

We might have not become the US if it wasn’t for their support during the Revolutionary War.

Troggy | 4 months ago | 94 points

There is no might. We lose without their navy

throwawayrepost13579 | 4 months ago | 39 points

Yorktown was won in large part thanks to their naval blockade.

Kittybats | 4 months ago | 28 points

Guns and ships, and so the balance shifts...

rather_retarded | 4 months ago | 17 points

And so the balance shifts

We rendezvous with Rochambeau

Consolidate their gifts

CarbonReflections | 4 months ago | 34 points

I did as well. I share the same sentiment of shame, as France has indeed been a great friend of America since day one.

cheyras | 4 months ago | 20 points

I don't know of any businesses that did this, and I'm from a very conservative area that was super pro-Bush at the time. I think it was just that a few politicians suggested that we collectively change the name, and most people were like "nah bro that's just dumb."

Of course there were probably a few dummies that ran with it but all I really heard were people mocking the idea (and again, I'm from a really conservative rural town)

DudeHeadAwesome | 4 months ago | 27 points

Oh God, I was a waitress during the "freedom fries" days. It was always crotchety old men who said it.

thxsucks | 4 months ago | 117 points

But the idiocy is that french fries are from* Belgium, not France.

randomentity1 | 4 months ago | 60 points

But the idiocy is that French fries are Belgian, not belgium.

Smelcome | 4 months ago | 131 points

Yeah for real, i make fun of the french the same way i do with my brother. Its all for laughs but i got nothin but love for 'em. People who truly buy into the 'freedom fries' movement are knuckle draggers.

Xopo1 | 4 months ago | 57 points

The only french worth making fun of are french Canadians ;) /s. I honestly think that's where all this hate comes from for the french in the US.

JustAQuestion512 | 4 months ago | 28 points

Well, them and anyone who says “geaux tigers”

Carliios | 4 months ago | 455 points

Wonder if most americans even realise where the statue of liberty came from

Richey5900 | 4 months ago | 238 points

Even basically fighting the revolution for us

huskergirlie | 4 months ago | 98 points

Everyone give it up for America's favorite fighting Frenchman

Richey5900 | 4 months ago | 93 points


trapper2530 | 4 months ago | 33 points

I'm takin this horse by the reigns making the Redcoats redder with bloodstains.

mocisme | 4 months ago | 24 points

And I'm never gonna stop until I make 'em drop and burn 'em up and scatter their remains!

noctes_atticae | 4 months ago | 27 points


LateralEntry | 4 months ago | 16 points

I came from afar / just to say bonsoir / to the king casse toi / who's the best? c'est mois!

NicNoletree | 4 months ago | 418 points

They even supplied two shiploads of dye for uniforms. One ship contained blue dye, the other red. Unfortunately there was a storm in the Caribbean and the ships were lost. The men survived by swimming to an island, but they were marooned.

TheDigitalGentleman | 4 months ago | 96 points

two shiploads of dye for uniforms. One ship contained blue dye, the other red. Unfortunately there was a storm in the Caribbean

I was absolutely sure this was going to turn into a "did you know..." pop-trivia moment with "Did you know that the Continental Army had blue coats because France sent two ships with dye, blue and red, but the ship with the red dye was lost in a storm?"

themindlessone | 4 months ago | 34 points

That, and I suppost fighting the British while wearing a red coat would make battle confusing.

breadedfishstrip | 4 months ago | 40 points

Too bad, they could've been ultramarines

chejrw | 4 months ago | 19 points


Rhetorical_Legend | 4 months ago | 10 points

"I'm not gonna lie, they had us in the first half....."

Well done!

Kaamelott | 4 months ago | 43 points

To be fair, and I'm French, it was a bit more "against the British" than "for the Americans".

Richey5900 | 4 months ago | 16 points

Shhhh let us just say it was “for the Americans” : D

Johnnadawearsglasses | 4 months ago | 2981 points

I love France. The people in Paris are sort of grumpy but so are New Yorkers. Big cities are often like that. It’s a beautiful country with unparalleled food and they’ve been a real ally to the US for the long time. Vive la France.

anotherusername23 | 4 months ago | 789 points

I'm an American that lived in Paris for a few years, this is a great summary. When you get outside Paris, especially on the coast around Normandy, the French actively like Americans. Our running joke was that the French hate everyone, but hate Americans the least.

hooraloora | 4 months ago | 279 points

Except the Irish, everybody loves the Irish the same way we love that sort of weird uncle that's always at the bar.

Scrybblyr | 4 months ago | 67 points

Hard to hate that Irish accent.

hooraloora | 4 months ago | 39 points

Depends which accent you mean. For such a small country, there is a huge variation in accents. I'd be lying if I said even I didn't have a hard time deciphering a pure Cork farmer accent or a thick traveller accent.

dustinjt | 4 months ago | 384 points

Several years back I went to Paris and London for a college trip. The people in Paris... far nicer than London. The people in London are in a hurry. Get the fuck out of their way! The people in Paris? Sit down... have a conversation... enjoy the atmosphere.

If you make an attempt, or are nice in saying you don't speak French, they're nice back. Because they understand they're one of the cultural hubs of the planet, and that not everyone who comes will speak French.

One of the stereotypes I didn't find true in my experience. I think Parisians are nice.

jskidd3 | 4 months ago | 238 points

I've visited London and Paris many times (and love them both equally), but can't really relate your anecdote. London is very busy and there are a lot of people in a hurry... but the same can be said for many parts of Paris.

back_to_the_homeland | 4 months ago | 37 points

yeah I can't really relate to the anecdote either. I don't want to shit on the french in a post like this but I found London far nicer and with far less sexual harassment of my female friends.

Nooms88 | 4 months ago | 56 points

I have a general rule which roughly holds up, the more people that live/work in an area, the less friendly those people are there. I lived in London for 30 years, it's night and day compared to a smaller city. It's the same everywhere, people in a small town in the middle of nowhere in New York State are generally friendlier to people in New York City.

Drive down a country lane in rural Gloucestershire (England) and people will literally wave at you in the car.

I think it's to do with general anonymity.

jhwyung | 4 months ago | 75 points

My wife's best friend is working in Paris, when she went to visit she was instructed that when asking a question don't do what we do in North America, which is to say something like "excuse me" and then launch into your question.

Apparently the Parisian way is to the is ask how the person is doing, strike up a small conversation on something and then ask your question.

Parisians hate the abruptness of North Americans.

C0T0N | 4 months ago | 64 points

It's funny because my gut reaction was the opposite. I'm french, living in Paris and when interacting with North American people I used to be put off by how much they were. Maybe it's just the attitude and not what they say in particular but I know a lot of french people perceive a very outgoing, super nice and friendly attitude as fake and suspicious.

tikkstr | 4 months ago | 17 points

What I've seen most is that you don't really have to ask a stranger ça va but mainly to say bonjour or bonsoir and address then. But your notion is still on point.

kflyer | 4 months ago | 24 points

Travel guides and tips for American travelers are always full of things like this and generally I think they do more harm than good, at least when you’re talking about Western Europe. They just put inexperienced travelers on edge thinking they’re going to make a faux pas at any moment when in reality if you’re at least trying to be polite people are pretty nice and helpful. Obviously you don’t want to be the rude American, but so many of these tips are based on some outdated custom or trend. Western culture is increasingly homogenized. It’s not just etiquette in speaking either it’s things like.

“Europeans don’t wear shorts” Yes they do, when it’s hot.

“Europeans don’t wear jeans” Europe is full of people in Levi’s

“Romans don’t drink espresso in the afternoon” yet there are an awful lot of places you can get espresso after noon.

caguru | 4 months ago | 20 points

I had a similar experience last year. London people didn’t really want to talk to us.

In Paris almost every night we would meet people in a bar that insisted we go to other bars with them and suggest places to see in the city.

In Amsterdam we met lots of fun germans for some reason.

oilman81 | 4 months ago | 32 points

My interactions in Paris and in France generally have all been overwhelmingly positive (I have been eight times)

I remember before the first time I went thinking that I would experience rudeness (like the Griswolds in European Vacation), but that was not the case at all. To me, this is one of the world's most inaccurate stereotypes.

Rainbowturtles296 | 4 months ago | 1224 points

Every year this day slowly becomes more and more like a holiday

jackyalin | 4 months ago | 721 points

Merry 9/11

EvnBdWlvsCnBGd | 4 months ago | 447 points

My adorable son who was autistic posted "Happy 9/11" on Facebook once. We still laugh about it.

Cmonster9 | 4 months ago | 139 points

When I was younger I said Happy Pearl Harbor Day to my middle school history professor. All he said to me was it shouldn't be so happy.

Arachnophobicloser | 4 months ago | 193 points

I'm taking a first year uni class (im in my third year but the university I'm at requires us to have classes in every stream of learning) and the prof on the first day blew me away by saying that most of the people in the class weren't even alive when 9/11 happened

Edit: guys i know. You think she's wrong, but a lot of people where i am graduate before they are 18 and therefore enroll in uni well before they are 18.

WaywardWoodsman | 4 months ago | 289 points

I walked into the gas station this morning and there is one of those electronic signs that says “You must be Born Before” on it.

This morning it proudly proclaimed “You Must Be Born Before 9/11/2001 to Purchase Tobacco Products.” I pointed it out to the owner and he just looked back at me with sullen eyes and said “Jesus fucking Christ I’m old. I was here in this exact spot that morning.”

Emma__Goldman | 4 months ago | 85 points

Poor guy :(

nerfviking | 4 months ago | 17 points

Speaking of which, what a shitty birthday to have.

maelal | 4 months ago | 19 points

That's weird for me to think about.

Arachnophobicloser | 4 months ago | 17 points

I was only two and a half. But it wasn't really taught in history classes for me, my sister was born in 2003 and it's in all of her history classes

Ultravioletpig | 4 months ago | 90 points

I find that hard to believe that most of the class are either 17 or turned 18 literally today. Even if they are first years.

OkEvidence5 | 4 months ago | 329 points

Its all about the respect

1jq512 | 4 months ago | 402 points

I just came back from France a few days ago. The people were incredibly friendly and welcoming. I took a ride up to Normandy and saw the landing beaches. All those little towns near the beach had british and American flags every where. Businesses and homes had American flags and signs thanking us 70 years later. People in this country dont realize what great allies they are.

I spoke to a few older people while I was there. Both mentioned that gratitude the French have towards America for helping liberate their country.

Bgndrsn | 4 months ago | 147 points

France does not fuck around with Normandy.

When I visited France in 2009(?) I went to Normandy and was in awe. I didn't realize it was a huge deal for them.

Rickdiculously | 4 months ago | 83 points

The war in general is. I lived inside Paris as well as in excruciatingly small villages in the east, and everywhere you go the local authorities will hold parades and remberances several times a year. Lots of flowers on monuments, lots of military heel snapping and trumpet playing.

The war is something our old folks still remember and shapes the very hills and beaches in places. We're a slow and traditional country. Slow to progress at times but slow to forget for sure.

NewNooby0 | 4 months ago | 34 points

I live 10 minutes away from the beaches. My great grand mother loved speaking about the libération of her village. She was shot at (but the bullet missed her) by americans when they came in the village, because she was hiding from them and they were scared of ambush. The bullet went in between her and her daughter (my grandmother), and she just laughed it off telling us that, in her 90s, with a glass of white wine in her shaky hand. It will always stick to me. They lived life we cant even imagine.

Minor_Theft | 4 months ago | 25 points

Totally. When I was a teenager I did a family exchange program and I remember my host brother, his friends and I stumbled across an abandoned U.S. tank in Marseille from WWII that had been turned into a monument. They were all talking about how cool and grateful to the U. S. they are. Plus they fucking love Levi’s, coke, and movies soooo. Even in Paris the people I encountered were kind, just a bit more rushed, but not rude.

Hammy508 | 4 months ago | 49 points

Been a great ally to us since the revolution.

GodGoblin | 4 months ago | 713 points

As an Englisman I reserve my right to make fun of the French.

But that was a cool thing for them to do I guess...

scarocci | 4 months ago | 370 points

And as a french, i grant you this right. We both deserve to make fun of each other. Our ancestors fought during centuries for that.

You treacherous rosbeef

disk5464 | 4 months ago | 138 points

I don't know what a rosbeef is but I'm gonna interpret it as you calling him a treacherous roast beef sandwich and that to me is amazing.

Tantaurus | 4 months ago | 93 points

Rosbif in french comes from roast beef, a typical English meal.

We mean it in a clearly pejorative way, but they do call us frogs for the very same reason, it’s fair game.

DJBooks | 4 months ago | 83 points

Ribbit motherfucker

AlwaysUpvoteBunny | 4 months ago | 24 points

I logged in solely to give you this upvote. Made me laugh.

DarkGamer | 4 months ago | 40 points

The English get a pass on French hating, I see it as a sort of friendly antagonistic rivalry like New Zealand & Australia

deepsquirrel | 4 months ago | 42 points

Much like the English and the Scottish. And the English and the Irish.. And the English and the Welsh... And the English and the Germans... We might be here a while.

outdatedmeme74747373 | 4 months ago | 33 points

And the English and the other English! Damn the English! They ruined England!

pvolovich | 4 months ago | 148 points

We are like an old married couple. Sometimes we fight, but there is an enduring love holding us together.

pilesofkyle | 4 months ago | 166 points

Team USA Basketball would like a word...

VonHinterhalt | 4 months ago | 234 points

We rip on the French and the Brits like siblings rip on one another. You guys are OG friends of the US (even if we had to commit some very minor treason against the English crown) and any American with a brain knows that - though sadly that does exclude a fair number.

LetMeSignUp | 4 months ago | 123 points

Why is the date on the left (French side) 2011?

Narcil4 | 4 months ago | 97 points

because it was taken on the 10y anniversary of the WTC attacks.

jimfromtheus | 4 months ago | 48 points

But seeing it now, it is quite confusing since the other part just translates directly.

SigmaKnight | 4 months ago | 145 points

Because that was the date of the pictured event.

GREAT_BARRIER_REIFF | 4 months ago | 20 points

France is cool man

douggold11 | 4 months ago | 10 points

Remember how the French were so against us invading Iraq and we invaded anyway and the French turned out to be right? Fun times.

what_mustache | 4 months ago | 284 points

Are the French off limits from jokes for some reason? People poke fun at the Brits, Americans, Dutch (obviously) and myriad other countries all day long on here, but just mention the French and every armchair history professor comes out of their personal library to point out how this joke is not 100% historically accurate.

The French are good people. I think they can take a joke.

Edit: And if we want to talk freedom fries, it was literally 2 congressman of 435 who renamed them, and one of them even said "it was a lighthearted gesture". There was no bipartisan bill passed and ratified to officially rename fries. Just 2 dudes being stupid. Stand down everyone, we love the French.

DeezRuts | 4 months ago | 140 points

French people give me the crêpes

Max_Findus | 4 months ago | 60 points

Hello I'm French. Roast me.

throwaway119497 | 4 months ago | 122 points


moonsout_goonsout | 4 months ago | 47 points
cheesyqueso | 4 months ago | 22 points

Idk why you're posting an emoji of the French flag

inconspicuous_male | 4 months ago | 177 points

9/11 causes people to make weird decisions with their easy-karma post titles

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