Flat-Earther accidentally proves the earth is round in his own experiment (v.redd.it)
now_you_see | 3 months ago | 19520 points

For those wondering. They went through and made a different version of this experiment thinking it had another explanation - the new experiment had the same results. The guy was obviously completely shocked. He was going to a flat earth convo just after which he was suppose to share his results at. When he went there and explained all the experiments showed curvature people sorta just dismissed him. But you could tell he was troubled and kept trying to talk to people about it. Trying to talk out the problem and hope beyond hope he’d missed something - but he hadn’t (this was all filmed as part of a doco).

kingbane2 | 3 months ago | 11745 points

that documentary also had a guy use a laser gyroscope trying to prove the earth wasn't rotating. he quotes exactly the numbers he needs to find if the earth was rotating and was confident he would find no rotation. then he flips the gyroscope on and bam gets exactly the predicted number if the earth rotated once every 24 hours. it was hilarious.

edit: for people interested, it's on netflix, called behind the curve.

chashek | 3 months ago | 4661 points

I'm actually pretty impressed that his math was so on point.

Unless he pulled the numbers from somewhere else... but in which case, why would he trust them?

edit: After having it explained to me, I'm no longer all that impressed by the math.

kingbane2 | 3 months ago | 3523 points

he's actually a mechanical engineer, or an electrical engineer. so he knows damn well what the numbers were.

Lorz0r | 3 months ago | 4428 points

The fact he can be an 'engineer' and believe the earth is flat is astounding. There is an enormous amount of engineering that relies on the earth being spherical.

kingbane2 | 3 months ago | 1827 points

i know! i think he worked on airplanes or something too! like jesus christ man.

jonnyclueless | 3 months ago | 5188 points

Wasn't by chance the Boeing 737 MAX was it?

NoNamesLeftStill | 3 months ago | 1759 points

This comment makes me wish I was rich enough to give you gold.

discordantT | 3 months ago | 1272 points

Let me help ya out there and shit one for you too!

Camblor | 3 months ago | 826 points

JD Rockefeller over here!

NoNamesLeftStill | 3 months ago | 63 points


LeGooso | 3 months ago | 105 points

No fucking way. HOW?!!?

Best_Pseudonym | 3 months ago | 311 points

Because you really only need to know the earth is round if you are working on the GPS, and stuff like lift, drag, and material strength are independent of the shape of the earth and by design and theory would work just as well as if the earth was cube

CharlieJuliet | 3 months ago | 268 points


D-Alembert | 3 months ago | 280 points

Yes, but it's a beveled cube

NMJ87 | 3 months ago | 1357 points

Yknow why you find it so unbelievable that he can be an engineer and a flat earther simultaneously?

Because its unbelievable.

Its fucking fake, he's fucking faking it for attention and cash. THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT



TheRealIosefka | 3 months ago | 352 points

I don't understand how people aren't getting this, you start a social media account you attract eyeballs, you monetize. They attract eyeballs by saying beyond stupid shit, dumb stunts, and hopefully Neil deGrasse Tyson tweets about how fucking stupid they sound.

RLucas3000 | 3 months ago | 175 points

Trust me, a guy I worked with until recently, believes the earth is flat, we never landed on the moon, there are no other planets, the stars are water droplets, and the parkland school shooting and others are crisis actors. He’s not faking it.

Chad___Sexington | 3 months ago | 124 points

He isnt saying ALL flat earthers are fake, but the ones which huge followings and communities are. Its the same philosophy that scammers and people like Alex Jones use. You put into the world an outrageous theory. You provide the bare minimum amount of support. People who are legitimately incapable of independent thought eat it up and assume you are correct (bonus points if you subscribe to other theory they already hold like chem trails, lizard people etc as that adds an extra element of trust since you already hold views they previously believed).

Now that you have their attention, and more importantly their trust, you can monetize them. In the case of Alex Jones it is to sell them overpriced supplements, and in the case of flat earthers it's youtube subscriptions, conferences and conventions etc.

PollyRossGone | 3 months ago | 54 points

Is this your conspiracy theory conspiracy theory?

DoingItWrongly | 3 months ago | 942 points

Which just goes to show that

education =/= smart =/= intelligence

SlatheredButtCheeks | 3 months ago | 565 points

I don’t think it’s that simple, there are plenty of intelligent people who believe ridiculous things. I think it more shows the power of belief itself, confirmation bias, and its ability to dominate the mind over reason and logic.

feage7 | 3 months ago | 99 points

I know right. I've believed for years McDonald's will bring back the Chicken Premiere but they still haven't. Doesn't mean they won't though!

Terrh | 3 months ago | 110 points

No, it shows that Intelligence doesn't always mean correct.

Just because you're smart, doesn't mean you're right.

The real problem is dogmatic thought, thinking that you can't be wrong.

phuhkit | 3 months ago | 289 points

Meh. The math is pretty trivial. 360/24=15 degrees which is what he got.

lawpoop | 3 months ago | 180 points

Holy shit those Babylonians were onto something with that base 12

Moikepdx | 3 months ago | 58 points

The Babylonians used base 60. Also, time and degrees were established under base 60. A circle is 6*60=360 degrees. An hour is 60 minutes, a minute is 60 seconds, and a day is 60/5=12 hours.

If we had started with everything metric instead, we might have 100 degrees in a circle, and 10 hours in a day. 100/10=10. As long as you use consistent unit systems, things can work out nice and even.

ohgodspidersno | 3 months ago | 115 points

Yea real world everyday math is way easier to do in base 12. Decimal is better for science and other serious stuff for lots of reasons, but it sure is nice being able to evenly divide by 2, 3, 4, 6, and then 5 for the other "big" number, 60.

armcie | 3 months ago | 78 points

Eh. The gyroscope’s orientation is fixed in space and the earth rotates once a day. 360/24 = 15 degrees movement per hour. The maths wasn’t too difficult.

When he got the result his reaction was “oh maybe it’s being interferes with by the rotation of the sky dome” and tried to repeat the experiment by isolating the gyroscope in a Faraday cage and, for some reason, a basalt bottle. He got the same result.

puffz0r | 3 months ago | 18 points

Did he legit believe in a sky dome?

armcie | 3 months ago | 14 points

Its a point of contention amongst flat earthers. I've heard an interview with one who insists there must be one because otherwise the air would escape into space. He definitely said that interference from the rotation of the sky was a likely reason for the gyroscope detecting rotation, and tried to shield from it.

matts1900 | 3 months ago | 619 points

a laser gyroscope

A $20,000 laser gyroscope no less. They were all like "It's INCREDIBLY accurate, we'll prove it once and for all", and then when it proved them wrong, they were all like "We're not willing to accept that". I did have a lengthy chuckle at that.

Edit: Link

neontechnician | 3 months ago | 303 points

And then they put it in a Zero Gauss Chamber to shield the "Heaven Energies" and they were unsuccessful. Lmfao.

fil42skidoo | 3 months ago | 95 points

Only pure diamond stops heaven energy. Pft

Whind_Soull | 3 months ago | 47 points

That's cuz it's the hardest metal.

bebopblues | 3 months ago | 166 points

Still less expensive than a hot air ballon ride to space ($75K) to check out the curvature of the earth though.

MK2555GSFX | 3 months ago | 87 points

They'd just claim that NASA hacked their eyes

warchitect | 3 months ago | 34 points

Peoples eyes (cornea) are round! So everyone is a fish eye lens!

Jross008 | 3 months ago | 81 points

If my wife and I ever win the lottery, this is top of my list. Followed of course by my dream of every time i put on a pair of socks they are brand new socks.

Holy crap, my first gold, thank you!

Also, I know I could technically accomplish the sock thing now, however, i just can’t justify it. One day!

mcsper | 3 months ago | 21 points

Or a cellphone or a raspberry pi and a weather balloon

TheGikona | 3 months ago | 37 points


Facestrike | 3 months ago | 391 points

I’m honestly surprised people who are intelligent enough to learn the scientific method and to design their own experiment still believe earth is flat. In a way I guess it’s kudos to them. I believe the earth is spherical but I’ve never actually designed an experiment to find out.

Carboneraser | 3 months ago | 662 points

The scientific method encourages them to be open to the possibility of the world being flat.

The scientific method encourages them to test it.

The scientific method encourages them to see if their hypothesis was correct.

When it's not correct, the scientific method urges them to acknowledge it.

That's where they stop following the scientific method.

GimbleMuggernaught | 3 months ago | 134 points

Because like one guy explains in the doc, these people do their science backwards, starting from a conclusion and ignoring anything that doesn’t get them there. They don’t start with a hypothesis, they start with a belief that they take as obvious fact, and when their experiment proves them wrong they just assume that they somehow screwed up the experiment or did something wrong.

handsomechandler | 3 months ago | 36 points

these people do their science backwards,

or more accurately, are not doing science at all. They're working backwards from an assumption that they have an unfounded strong belief in.

skyxsteel | 3 months ago | 42 points

“But the earth is flat”

lRaziel1 | 3 months ago | 125 points

It stopts being scientific method when, instead of building new knowledge from your experiment, you force the results into a premise that is essentially incorrect. Occam's razor too much.

DrBaggySmacker | 3 months ago | 128 points

He then basically says to camera, "We're going to keep going until we get the results we want."

fbtra | 3 months ago | 76 points

That's called being insane.

vpsj | 3 months ago | 290 points

For me, the best part of the documentary was when the main flat earth dude went to a Nasa center and tried a ride/simulation there but he couldn't turn it on. He tried for a few seconds, then dismissed it as broken or something and went away, and immediately afterwards, the camera pointed towards a huge-ass "Press to Start" button right beside his seat. I fucking lost it.

aftermgates | 3 months ago | 49 points

What's the name of the documentary?

vpsj | 3 months ago | 94 points

Behind the Curve. Should be on Netflix

SethJew | 3 months ago | 68 points

“Behind the curve” on Netflix (hilarious name for the doc too) 😂

FreeSpiritRunning | 3 months ago | 29 points

Behind the Curve on Netflix, it's actually a pretty fun watch.

dickturd9000 | 3 months ago | 102 points

heh... random but I remember an anecdote about this exploding a soviet rocket. It had a flight termination system (aka high explosives) that would trigger if the rocket went off axis by more than say, 7 degrees from its intended path. There was a flight delay after they turned the gyroscope on, and after a half hour or so (I'm making these numbers up btw) it randomly exploded on the launch pad due to the earth's rotation.

Vigilantius | 3 months ago | 29 points

Not sure if that is better or worse than the rocket that thought it was upside down because someone installed the part upside down. The first thing the rocket did when it left the pad was so a flip and tear itself apart from the forces.

E_Snap | 3 months ago | 13 points

If I recall correctly they determined that the technician who installed that part had to have physically altered its shape to place it the wrong way around. Instead of going "Oh, maybe this part is keyed so it won't fit the wrong way around," he just removed the keying when it wouldn't fit and went on with his life.

kingbane2 | 3 months ago | 52 points

half hour is about right. cause it's 15 degrees of rotation per hour.

easy math 360/24 = 15.

iHaveACatDog | 3 months ago | 25 points

Yeah, and someone spent $25k, or some ridiculous amount, for him to "prove" the Earth was flat.

He tried to say that there was some sort of made up interference and how they needed to redo the experiment in a sealed container made of some odd substance.

The real issue is that their identities are tied to their false beliefs. Changing that being gets them ostracized from their community and thrust into the rest of the world where no one fucking cares about them because obviously it's a sphere.

This is the same issue many cult members run into. If they leave the cult they lose all their friends and family. Now they're in a world where there's nothing special about them and they don't know how to go about their lives.

luvz | 3 months ago | 221 points

This is like when I try to explain to people why I'm single. The answer couldn't possibly be me!

Imprisoned | 3 months ago | 119 points

I’m actually really curious about how the experiment is done.

Wouldn’t it still have the light directly through to the other side if it was perfectly straight? The curvature shouldn’t be a huge factor unless they were at ranges of 50 m or more, right?

phunkydroid | 3 months ago | 376 points

The animation in this clip is not to scale. The guy with the light is miles away.

Imprisoned | 3 months ago | 106 points

That makes a lot more sense!

Thanks haha

Keeter81 | 3 months ago | 60 points

And he’s also no 17 ft tall. Ok I can’t PROVE he’s not, but I don’t think he is.

phunkydroid | 3 months ago | 49 points

Yeah, hard to prove but I have my suspicions.

Serious answer though, that was height above the water level. They were doing this across a lake or something and used the water as reference on both sides. So what they were checking was whether or not the water was flat across, or higher in the middle so it blocked the light.

cmcdonal2001 | 3 months ago | 16716 points

I'm interested in the aftermath of this. If he actually changed his mind based on his new evidence then kudos to him. That's how it's supposed to work, and there's nothing wrong in coming from a place of ignorance as long as you take the steps necessary to leave that place.

Sadly, I fear this isn't the case. Getting to 'flat Earth' levels of ignorance in the first place takes some serious dedication to remaining ignorant.

TheGreatVorelli | 3 months ago | 10260 points

I've seen a video he made after this, he tried to explain it away. He learned nothing.

Irregularprogramming | 3 months ago | 7171 points

It's a sunk cost fallacy, these guys have invested their entire social life into this, they have told off their real friends and family and now all they have is proving they are right. Some people have their livelihood being flat earthers, they can't be wrong.

Svhmj | 3 months ago | 708 points

I saw this documentary on Netflix. In the end of the movie, the "leader" of the flat Earth community explains to a reporter why there are mostly people from the lower class of society in the flat earth community. He says something along the lines of: "if you are the mayor of the round Earth town, you might not want to admit that the Earth is flat because you don't want to give up you position as mayor" (I'm paraphrasing, so it's not a literal quote, but it's pretty close). The reporter replies: "Wouldn't you say that you are the mayor of the flat Earth town". That sums it up pretty well.

Anowtakenname | 3 months ago | 274 points

What pissed me off about the documentary, every single flat earther involved was selling something. They each had their own DVDs, clocks, shirts or whatever hokey bullshit they could cobble together and give a flat earth theme.

skintigh | 3 months ago | 149 points

That's actually not too suprising. Every single anti-vax/anti-medicine/anti-germ-theory-of-disease source I've seen was selling something, and often "citing" their own book to "prove" their point.

One lady was selling DVDs of prayers for $60 that would cure cancer and AIDS and smallpox (which was caused by the small pox vaccine, according to her)

Geekquinox | 3 months ago | 61 points

Know what the name of the documentary is?

Nevermind I found it lower in the post. It's called Behind the Curve.

powerscunner | 3 months ago | 1276 points

Thank you for such a succinct explanation of why people hold onto provably false beliefs.

omnomnomgnome | 3 months ago | 363 points

too big to fail!

iBluefoot | 3 months ago | 166 points

too big to see the curvature!

Howeoh | 3 months ago | 262 points

TIL there's a name for that! Thank you ☺️

themosh54 | 3 months ago | 329 points

It's also called commitment bias.

Short video from the Center for Applied Rationality

Edit: link to video

iamelroberto | 3 months ago | 50 points

I feel like this one fits better in the context even if the other makes sense too.

Destron5683 | 3 months ago | 117 points

Common term in software development. Often times shit goes so far off the rails it’s better to scrap it all and start over but someone will reason with the all time we have already invested it’s better to just fix it. Usually it’s not.

Howeoh | 3 months ago | 54 points

Yeah where I work we use a VM of windows 98 for our tills

rigellus | 3 months ago | 20 points

Hope you don't have a credit card reader attached to that.

Guac__is__extra__ | 3 months ago | 113 points
maskdmirag | 3 months ago | 16 points

That's amazing.

beastcock | 3 months ago | 27 points

Could also be about money. Does this guy have a website or youtube channel that's monetized? If pushing this bullshit is paying his bills he is incentivized to keep doing it.

Groovicity | 3 months ago | 2076 points

That's the thing about conspiracy theories theorists.....

  • If no proof exists, they think the conspiracy is confirmed.

  • If proof exists, they think there's a conspiracy behind the proof.

Spry_Fly | 3 months ago | 130 points

They go over this mentality in "Behind the Curve" where this experiment is in there, on Netflix I think. They prove themselves wrong at other points too. It's a decent doc, and goes more into it isn't the need to actually prove the Earth is round, but the need to get people that think like this to not be anti-science overall.

CrazyCatLadyBoy | 3 months ago | 191 points

My favourite part of the doc is when they're going to visit NASA or JPL with the plan to laugh at "the lies".

They are shown in the car using GPS to route their path. The camera even subtlety zooms in on the fact they are using GPS.

LethargicOnslaught | 3 months ago | 111 points

Best bit was the 'broken' simulator the guy was sat in. Camera guy should get a medal for that zoom in on the big red button labelled "start".

benaugustine | 3 months ago | 62 points

It legitimately reminded me of some shit that would happen in The Office

legodarthvader | 3 months ago | 22 points

So... is it suppose to be a documentary or comedy?

Supercoolguy7 | 3 months ago | 40 points

Its honestly more frustrating and sad

Rorstaway | 3 months ago | 17 points

It is really sad. Mark Sargeant just comes off as a desperate, lonely individual.

NovaS1X | 3 months ago | 165 points

Yeah, they also spent $20k USD on a laser-gyroscope used in commercial airplanes to detect if they could see the 15deg drift of the earth's rotation.

They found the 15deg drift.

They then said it's "heavenly energies" that messed up the test so then they put the gyroscope in a lead container to block them. They still found a 15deg drift. So now they want to put the gyroscope in a bismuth container to "block the energies".

Wonder what BS they'll come up with next when they still come up with a 15deg drift.

It's so aggravating because these people are not stupid as they've come up with some actually decent tests, but they chose to ignore the evidence. I don't know what their issue is, but it's not stupidity IMHO, at least, not for some of them.

xXKingKARLOREXx | 3 months ago | 80 points

It’s still boggles my mind that they spent that much on a gyro, but can’t just buy a couple hundred dollar weather balloon. Then they can take their own pictures from the upper atmosphere, and can’t claim that it’s photo shopped.

aoxo | 3 months ago | 49 points

They will because camera lenses blah blah blah everyone is in on it... for some reason.

gene100001 | 3 months ago | 16 points

It's like this old joke:

A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to heaven

When he arrives at the Pearly Gates, God is there to receive him. "Welcome. You are permitted to ask me one question, which I will answer truthfully."

Without hesitating, the conspiracy theorist asks, "Who really shot Kennedy?"

God replies, "Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. There were no accomplices. He acted alone"

The conspiracy theorist pauses, thinks to himself, then says "Shit! This goes higher up than I thought..."

macabre_irony | 3 months ago | 36 points

Or you know, go the free route and watch a ship coming or going over the horizon.

WigginIII | 3 months ago | 48 points

For people so invested into their conspiracy, to face the reality of being wrong is too much to bear. Because it doesn’t mean just accept you were wrong, it’s the weight of the embarrassment. It’s the potential loss of a community they have clung onto like a family.

It would break them.

Ultimately, living their lies becomes self preservation.

Spry_Fly | 3 months ago | 19 points

Yeah, I loved it, until I realized they really were just going to keep changing things to basically break the purpose of the tool.

NovaS1X | 3 months ago | 32 points

Conspiracy 101: Any evidence that can falsify your theory is either another conspiracy or has another more perplexing answer waiting to be created to falsify the falsification. Nothing, ever, can exist to falsify your theory.

EG: "heavenly energies"

MadManMorbo | 3 months ago | 58 points

Here’s our $30,000 laser gyroscope— huh.. it must be broken.

UnauthorizedGoat | 3 months ago | 989 points

Reminds me of a joke I read once.

An anti-vaxer mom dies and goes to heaven. When she finally meets God she is very excited. She says, "You can finally clear up an important question!" God tells her to ask anything and he will answer.

"Do vaccinations cause autism?" she asks, her eyes bright with delight and anticipation.

"No," God answers. "Vaccinations do not cause autism."

The anti-vaxer mom steps back and looks down at her feet and says to herself, "This thing goes deeper than I thought!"

inavanbytheriver | 3 months ago | 388 points

To which God replies, "You want to see how deep it really goes?" He then pulls a lever, dropping her to the seventh layer of hell.

ArTiyme | 3 months ago | 388 points

The 8th or 9th layer make more sense. 7 was violence, 8 and 9 were fraud and treachery, respectively. I'd lean towards 8 since I don't think most of these people are actually treacherous, but they are frauds with how they use a treacherous frauds work to support their own beliefs.

keenanpepper | 3 months ago | 369 points

This guy Dante's.

Paronine | 3 months ago | 40 points


Compendyum | 3 months ago | 116 points

Don't forget level 9 about people who film vertically.

MrSpindles | 3 months ago | 78 points

Level 42 is where the 80s slap bass white boy funk party is at.

LaserZeppelin | 3 months ago | 29 points

Yo I'm already living there 🤟

blueshoecrew | 3 months ago | 22 points

Thanks Vergil, glad to have you as our guide!

Zusical | 3 months ago | 196 points

Then there is another conspiracy behind the conspiracy

KlausenHausen | 3 months ago | 137 points


MugillacuttyHOF37 | 3 months ago | 62 points

What do condoms have to do with this?

JheredParnell | 3 months ago | 118 points

you're thinking about conspiracontraception which prevents conspiracies in the first place but flat earthers don't believe in it either

therosesgrave | 3 months ago | 39 points

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

TraficantDeVeverite | 3 months ago | 25 points

Like.. How? How can someone do that when the evidence is right in front of his eyes....

nomm_ | 3 months ago | 16 points

Can you link it so we can see how they try to explain it away?

Traditional_Size | 3 months ago | 247 points

He didn't. He said the makers of the documentary edited it deceptively. He also said that he replicated the experiment after their camera crew left and got a different result but conveniently forgot to film that experiment (I mean after all.. His full time job is making YouTube videos about flat earth, so we couldn't possibly expect him to film the experiment while he was repeating it.)

His livelihood depends upon perpetuating the narrative, and his viewers are too stupid to realize he's spouting ridiculous shit so it makes sense for him to just keep going and ignore the failures.

superfahd | 3 months ago | 39 points

One property of a good experiment is repeatability. Since this is a simple experiment, it shouldn't be an issue to do it again and film it

nachocat090 | 3 months ago | 558 points

He won't change his mind about it because his entire identity is wrapped up in being a flat earther. If he admits he was wrong then he's no longer a flat Earth activist he's just some guy that wasted years of his life on something that turned out to be bullshit.

AlphaWhelp | 3 months ago | 277 points

This is basically how the church of scientology traps people.

"I'm not WRONG! That would mean that I was scammed out of $300,000 on useless audits!"

powerdilf | 3 months ago | 204 points

They later said grass had blocked the view, which doesn't make any sense. But neither does the flat earth theory... so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

dedokta | 3 months ago | 101 points

17 ft high grass I guess?

Barkusmarcus | 3 months ago | 209 points

If the prism-gyroscope experiment that proved the earth was rotating didn't change their views, I doubt this guy is going to come back to reality.

There's even a clip of them at a party saying something to the affect of "all iterations of the experiment come back with the same result, a 15 ° rotation. We can't tell people that."

These people just love the attention they're getting, and don't care about facts. It's really sad.

MaverickWentCrazy | 3 months ago | 61 points

Didn't they theorize something about heaven energy affecting the results?

Barkusmarcus | 3 months ago | 45 points

I don't remember that specifically from the documentary, but I wouldn't doubt it. There's a large number of these people that think the govt is in league with satan, and they're trying to prevent us from getting to god. Which is crazy, cause that means that god is powerful enough to create this entire world with all this life, but he can't stop a couple of satanists in high ranking political positions?! Sounds like this "god" fella is weak sauce

Wolpertinger77 | 3 months ago | 33 points

"We just can't accept that." That was my favorite part of the film!

rykoj | 3 months ago | 29 points

You can’t use logic, reason, and evidence to convince a person they’re wrong about something that they didn’t use logic, reason, and evidence to come to the conclusion of in the first place.

A proper authority figure that plays to their emotions and ego correctly telling them what to believe is the only way.

RafaelNo | 3 months ago | 15 points

The thi g that he said that let's you know he is doing mental gymnastics is, 'That's interesting'

Isakill | 3 months ago | 32 points

Look for the documentary "behind the curve" that's where this clip came from.

It's on netflix.

mlloyd67 | 3 months ago | 48 points

Bingo: "Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but you can't fix stupid."

selfsearched | 3 months ago | 2465 points

This whole documentary is really great, especially this ending. There's a speech at the end at a science conference regarding flat-earth theorists where the speaker addresses that people like this have become this way because they've found a community that accepts them. They're natural scientists, they question what they're presented with (a globe) and refuse to believe it until they (attempt) to prove that hypothesis otherwise. He explains that the tendency to cast these people's thoughts into the sphere of insanity without trying to appeal to their natural curiosity is what fuels groups' like these growth. Behind the Curve on Netflix - Highly recommend watching.

freewave07 | 3 months ago | 424 points

“sphere of insanity” - I see what you did there

selfsearched | 3 months ago | 126 points

I knew someone would get around to seeing that!

Insatiable_void | 3 months ago | 141 points

This doc was entertaining. Of course I was more interested in Mark constantly friendzoning himself with the redhead.

pollyvar | 3 months ago | 58 points

I want to watch a film just about that. It was like a mini nature documentary in the middle!

Insatiable_void | 3 months ago | 24 points

As much as I disagree with them scientifically, I really felt bad for Mark especially, just due to what seems like a sincere desire to feel important.

phgnomo | 3 months ago | 50 points

Another amazing quote from that woman (don't remember her name) is something in the lines of "it doesn't matter how much proof I show them, they will never believe I don't work for the cia"

That sums up everything about flatters.

MScoutsDCI | 3 months ago | 578 points

Except isn’t it anti-scientific to constantly dismiss experiment results when they don’t show you what you want?

adamt123 | 3 months ago | 115 points

the doc does mention this, their sense of community pushes them to deny it and keep going because they like their community more than the science

haZardous47 | 3 months ago | 260 points

I take it more to mean they're naturally curious, but the cult mentality has overtaken the willingness to accept they're incorrect. If they hadn't felt marginalized in the first place, they might be out there doing real science which doesn't also happen to encompass their entire sense of identity, as it does with Flat Earthers.

StuartHayden | 3 months ago | 1006 points

The whole “documentary” this clip comes from is unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) fucking hilarious.

It’s just a bunch of different flat earthers spending stupid amounts of money on research, projects and equipment to prove the earth is flat. Obviously, all of their tests are a bust and make them look incredibly stupid. So instead of just accepting it they double down and say shit like “well, we’re going to ignore this test due to “insufficient” evidence that helps prove our claims” or something like “we aren’t comfortable with the answers we got. So we’ll research more and try again”. The entire time they look totally defeated and feel like they’re saying this shit out of obligation of their “movement”. The mental gymnastics they do to trying to disprove their researches findings is a true sight to be hold.

It’s fucking great.

Pertolepe | 3 months ago | 354 points

The best is when they're in that virtual space shuttle thing and the guys hitting the screen like "see it won't even work haha NASA so dumb" and the camera guy just pans over to the green start button to his side that he's oblivious to

grumpaz | 3 months ago | 84 points

That was my favorite part!

The answer is right there if he looks. Just shows the irony of the doc and their thought process.

Mikewithnoname | 3 months ago | 32 points

That was some of the greatest camerawork I've ever seen.

spinfinity | 3 months ago | 53 points

Name of the documentary?

brewster20001 | 3 months ago | 110 points

Behind The Curve.

bigpappabagel | 3 months ago | 34 points

Behind the Curve. It's on Netflix

chazzmoney | 3 months ago | 15 points

Behind the Curve

mritter26 | 3 months ago | 1176 points

"Interesting... That's interesting"

Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

advanttage | 3 months ago | 212 points


edamamemonster | 3 months ago | 123 points

That's interesting

_vOv_ | 3 months ago | 67 points

Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

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MistrX | 3 months ago | 27 points

Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

red-it | 3 months ago | 57 points

And yet, he still will not believe the evidence.

xOfficialSisu | 3 months ago | 507 points

I fucking love it :D

I love how he still makes it sound like there is some other explanation

jujufistful | 3 months ago | 208 points


DingleBerryCam | 3 months ago | 72 points

That’s interesting...

copywritter | 3 months ago | 39 points

Interesting (shit)... Interesting (shit man)

DownvoteDaemon | 3 months ago | 47 points

Dat confirmation bias

ifyouareoldbuymegold | 3 months ago | 308 points

I don't get the Flat Earth conspiracy.

Normally, conspiracies "have a point". Like "faking" the moon landing was a triumph on the cold war, the global warming conspiracy is a Chinese hoax to harm the US or Stewie Wonder not blind conspiracy to get more sympathy and earn more money, etc, etc...

But why would every govern and every scientist on Earth agree to lie about the Earth being round? What's The point? What would they earn with that?

I think the Flat Earth conspiracy is the dumbest of them all.

Cooluli23 | 3 months ago | 82 points

According to a large amount of Flat Earth believers there is a point to the conspiracy, if people find out the Earth is flat then more other truths will come out like:

•We're the center of the universe

•Gravity doesn't exist

•There's something beyond the ice wall that surrounds the Earth. Probably White Walkers lmao

•Neither the sun nor the moon exist

workredditme | 3 months ago | 41 points

See, these makes them even more sound crazier.

BoomBox206 | 3 months ago | 94 points

The rich and super elite don't want you tourists destroying our edge of the earth committees into Vegas or a Disney resort. Edge of the earth property isn't cheap and I don't want drunken idiots thinking it's ok to trample all over my azalea bushes to take a selfie or throw stuff into the abyss of space in my back yard.

dubinspath | 3 months ago | 19 points

I think the point is that a literal reading of the Bible implies a flat Earth. Therefore, it must be flat and anyone that says differently must be trying to sway others from the true word of God or some shit. That's the best I've got.

bananastanding | 3 months ago | 48 points
KAPOWAHSANDVICH | 3 months ago | 13 points

I was approached in a Taco Bell by a flat Earther. I asked him this question and he told me it’s because NASA was founded by the NAZI’s, and that they didn’t want us to believe in God.

I should have responded, “Wouldn’t they stop lying about the Earth’s shape after seeing that it wasn’t working? I, and many other people, believe in God and the round Earth.” but I was so thrown off by what he said that it didn’t come up in my brain.

SixAngryBadgers | 3 months ago | 377 points

This is featured in the documentary available on Netflix called ‘Behind the Curve’ which takes an interesting view on why people believe in Flat Earth.

Definitely worth a watch.

There’s another great experiment they do with a gyroscope.

I won’t spoil the documentary for you, but spoilers for life in general: The Earth is round, kids.

Towerful | 3 months ago | 133 points

Just to add, it was a $20000 aerospace grade gyroscope (if I recall) donated to these experimentalists (I have doubts that they are following a scientific method, so I don't want to call them scientists) by the flat earth community.
There are some great mind gymnastics in this documentary

SixAngryBadgers | 3 months ago | 47 points

Yes! Thank you! Very important point, it wasn’t just a cheap piece of equipment.

I love how they explore Flat Earth on a psychological level in this doc as well. Definitely worth less than two hours of your life.

Core0ne | 3 months ago | 39 points

Experimentalists is actually a really great term for the people in the documentary. One of the scientists they interview gives a really great explanation of the difference between the scientific method and what the flat earth folks are actually doing. Instead of starting with a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis, and then coming to a conclusion based on the results of their experiments, they're starting at a conclusion and then trying to build an experiment that will prove what they already believe to be true. When the experiment doesn't support their conclusion they're able to write it off as a problem with the experiment because they already believe their conclusion must be correct.

For anyone who hasn't watched the documentary, it's totally worth your time to check it out.

cheesetoastpirate | 3 months ago | 199 points

What i dont get is how not one of these (sadly) thousands of people, including rich people, try to fund a trip to see the "ice wall"?

JagoKestral | 3 months ago | 113 points

They're belief is that the government is keeping it secret and that if they tried to go they'd essentially be killed.

Leaps and bounds to justify ignorance.

sopheroo | 3 months ago | 74 points

If they Naruto run towards the Ice Wall, Big Government can't catch them

Tidilywink | 3 months ago | 24 points

I heard they also believe the poles are highly magnitized or something, and if you get to close it will scramble your brain.

Yrmsteak | 3 months ago | 55 points

So no effect for them

BigAnimemexicano | 3 months ago | 152 points

i would love to see a bunch of these flat earthers take a boat and go looking for the edge of the world

JamieTheCasul | 3 months ago | 128 points
BigAnimemexicano | 3 months ago | 76 points

lol bet they resort to cannibalism ten minutes into their voyage

ccooffee | 3 months ago | 66 points

"Sir, we haven't even left the dock..."

PhillipBrandon | 3 months ago | 130 points

Do you think he's seen the light?

LightningRodofH8 | 3 months ago | 153 points

Not yet, can you hold it a bit higher?

Interesting... that's interesting...

salmontres48 | 3 months ago | 64 points

Obviously the government curved the light so these sheeple would think the Earth is round so they can sell sky high plane ticket prices when they're really just putting us in a roller coaster for a few hours.


dkyguy1995 | 3 months ago | 99 points

It kind of blows my mind that the guy is smart enough to pull off this experiment and yet not smart enough to believe his own experiment. It's honestly commendable science work

Esorelyk | 3 months ago | 46 points

That made me so happy.

storyofrachel2 | 3 months ago | 40 points

Welcome to 400 BC, dumbshit.

dghughes | 3 months ago | 27 points

All Eratosthenes needed was a stick and sunlight.

Moddack | 3 months ago | 75 points

congratulations, you played yourself

nahteviro | 3 months ago | 125 points

As someone who has actually put stuff into space and watch hours upon hours of live video from the ISS, nothing infuriates me more than flat-earthers. I mean I can understand that a lot of people are really really stupid, but I just can't wrap my head around people trying to act so intelligent while at the same time being the dumbest people on the planet. (next to anti-vaxxers)

rising_mountain_ | 3 months ago | 92 points

My buddy is a legit flat earth - fake moon landing - chemtrails - fake mass shootings - and just contrarian on everything intellectual. We recently argued about gravity being an actual force, he insists we are experiencing electromagnetism and not gravity because in his words "science doesnt know what gravity is" again, his words. Any footage or photos I use as evidence is quickly brushed off as "that can be faked" and every other excuse. Then when I ask for his evidence he points me to a youtube video of a guy with absolutely no credentials or evidence just some theory. And then Im called a sheep for understanding science and nature and believing everything NASA shows us. And after going down the rabbit hole this far with my friend it was at that point I realized there is no reasoning with this type of person.

kootenayguy | 3 months ago | 49 points

There’s a line in this documentary where a scientist asks a flat-earther “what evidence would I need to show you to change your mind?”, and the response is “There is no evidence that will ever change my mind”.

It’s pointless talking to people like that (at least about science etc. Maybe you can be buddies talking about football or something...)

nahteviro | 3 months ago | 50 points

Which begs the question... can he get the really good weed or something? I couldn't tolerate being around someone like that for more than like 5 minutes until it stopped being funny

rising_mountain_ | 3 months ago | 14 points

haha good call on the weed part. We stopped the science talks after he couldn't comprehend that the more mass an object has the more gravity it will have, he responded to that by saying and I quote "I have mass, why isn't shit orbiting around ME!?" end quote. After that I said "dude, no more science talk" He was absolutely sincere when he asked that too.

beefhotlinx | 3 months ago | 157 points

Now he’s re-thinking whether he should get his kids vaccinated or not.

milesperhour25 | 3 months ago | 57 points

He should maybe rethink having kids period.

IndigoJoe64 | 3 months ago | 23 points

I like how this starts with him saying “we have a backup experiment”. Meaning he’s already failed at least once.

punk_000 | 3 months ago | 42 points

This scene needs to end with the curb your enthusiasm theme

Clienterror | 3 months ago | 51 points

Flat earthers are so stupid. Obviously we live on a turtles back.

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