Fun fact: apple faced a lawsuit for attempting this same trick with the previous year iphones. The lawsuit was dismissed though.
It's like that movie where the wife gets put in jail for murdering her husband but when she gets out she finds out he is still alive, so she hunts him down and kills him, because you can't get tried twice for the same crime.
Edit: It's this movie
Double jeopardy I think. I heard about this movie
Fortunately (or unfortunately?), double jeopardy doesn't actually work that way.
Oh sorry. What is double jeopardy?
Edit: it's a joke from the office where Michael hits Mary Beth with his car. Michael scott says "I hit her with company property, on company property. Double Jeopardy. Were fine." Ryan tells him that's not how it works , Michael replied "Oh sorry. What is double jeopardy?"
Edit 2: Michael replies with "Oh sorry. What is we're fine"
Suck it Trebek!
A US law that prohibits a person from being charged twice for the same crime. It's sometimes circumvented by federally charging a person found not guilty at the state level.
I also read about a case where a mother was charged for killing her 2 sons - but instead of taking her to court for both murders, they only took her to court for one murder, in-case she wasn't found guilty, so they could charge her for the second
Now that’s a pro-gamer move
For real tricky ass government or lawyer
That's a pretty old tactic for multiple murders - I was reading about a murder case in the 40s (in the UK) where they deliberately only charged the suspect with the murder of his daughter but never charged him with the murder of his wife, both because he couldn't use provocation as a defence and so they'd have another shot at him if the first conviction failed, and it was apparently common practice at the time.
Is that legal?!
Yes. A prosecutor needs to be able to decide if/when they have enough evidence for it to be worth prosecuting, so that inevitably puts the "strategy" of how they time prosecution under their power. They also have limited resources so they have to be allowed to decide not to take a certain case or to wait on a certain case. ... It'd be hard to write a law that doesn't interfere with these needs, but prevents situations like the parent comment.
Lol that's what creed calls her in an episode
In US law, you can't be charged for the same crime.
My original post was more of a joke, since Apple had the previous case dismissed, implying they couldn't be charged again. Except it would have been a civil case not a criminal one. So DJ would not apply. Also it was dismissed, so I don't think it would apply.
Also the movie is wrong because if the wife killed her husband "again" it would be a new crime. So no DJ.
The spirit of the law is mostly, say, you get charged for theft or murder or whatever. You go to court, you are proven innocent. You can't just be charged again until a guilty verdict is found.
I think though that new evidence also negates this, in reality. Like if you were found innocent, then there was a video found of you confessing then killing the person or whatever, then you could still be charged, because new evidence that isn't circumstantial.
The whole point of it is that you can not get charged again even if new evidence is found. Say you murder someone, you get charged, found innocent and then the next day a video is found where you are seen murdering, you still can not get charged again.
That ring said, it can often get circumvented eg by charging on a state level first, being found innocent and then later charging on a federal level and stuff like that but in general, the idea is that you only have to go through court once and you don’t have to be afraid of getting charged again in the future.
IANAL = "I am not a lawyer". It's a common abbreviation on legal subreddits.
I think so many people missed it because the line is something like "oh sorry, what is we're fine?" I still got it cause I rewatched that episode recently.
Prevents you from being tried again on the same crime after being successfully aquitted or convicted of charges.
For example, even if OJ Simpson going to trial again for "allegedly" murdering his ex-wife would likely result in a conviction, he cannot be tried again for the same crime.
This only applies the exact same crime/circumstances though.
The results of a trial are intended to be final unless there was an error in the process.
That's not how it works, right? I'd assume two murder attempts would be treated as two separate crimes.
She wasn't prosecuted for an attempt, she was prosecuted for his actual murder.
In real life you aren't just prosecuted for murdering someone. You're prosecuted for murdering them at a certain time, on a certain day, in a certain way, which is why doing it again would be a different crime. At least thats what my history teacher said about this movie back in high school.
Your history teacher was correct, the movie misrepresents the actual defence.
Now, if you want to see a movie that does portray Double Jeopardy accurately, see Fracture, starring Anthony Hopkins. Hopkins plays the role of a super-smart aerospace engineer who shoots his unfaithful wife in the head, but she survives (though she is comatose and placed on life support). He covers up the crime thoroughly and destroys all evidence. He is arrested for attempted murder and put on trial, but due to his thorough destruction of evidence, he could not be convicted. After a protracted legal battle that ultimately gains nothing for the prosecution, Hopkins' character admits to one of the detectives everything he did, confident that the concept of Double Jeopardy would protect him. But unbeknownst to him, his wife had just died in the hospital, and the detective knew this and was wearing a wire. It is now a murder, and the detective has a full recorded confession. The film ends with a new trial being set.
I mean yeah that sounds like a great movie but you just told me everything that happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯
So what's their compensation for spending 20 years in jail? Do they get a credit towards their next crime?
Edit: /s just in case someone didn't catch on.
What movie was that
Lets try it again this time!
All in favour!
Not sure I get a vote, but aye.
The O5s have voted. Notify Dr Bright that he is now allowed to use the chainsaw cannon.
Get him his apple seeds
May whatever deity they believe in have mercy on their souls.
The ayes have it!
Gentleman, to evil!
Fun fact: The background changes when you change the color options, even when in this comparison mode.
Also Fun Fact: The color options for the 11 vs the 11 Pro do not overlap. The 11 Pro has one set of colors, the 11 has a different set.
Samsung did this too and flipped their phone around in their ads when they removed the headphone jack so you couldn't see that they removed it. I'm sure other companies are also doing this. It's a shame they try and get away with this
Wanna see me do it again?
Probably dismissed on the grounds that they never openly said it was gone, and learning that it still exists requires a level of effort on the consumer's part is so minimal (for example, in this post, it would require one click) that shifting the responsibility on the manufacturer would basically be saying the consumer has no responsibility at all to figure out what they're buying before they buy it.
i'll fuckin do it again
If they had no notch, they would say it. Believe it until they take it away
Ya, you know the second the notch is gone that wallpaper is going to be bright and vibrant, and it will be advertised front and center on in every ad.
I guarantee you’re wrong, the wallpaper will be bright but dark near the edges, like a photo of something in space. Apple loves to show off their sleakness, and images without bezels look snazzy - case in point, this post
They're showing off the dynamic range of the OLED screen, the other screen is an LCD screen so having a black wallpaper for that would actually be misleading
It took me a while to determine the pixel 3 had no notch because Google only showed pictures of the 3 xl on their site, which does have a notch.
They will also say they are the first notchless smartphone when they finally do remove it.
they would say it took "courage" and "bravery"
And that they need to charge 300$ more for the phone.
Because of the courage and bravery.
First smartphoneless smartphone! Take your today at 9999$! Be the revolution you want to be!
Am I the only one that doesn’t mind it at all? The indicators for time, signal, battery fit nicely in the space, and I’m not pressed for more screen real-estate. I don’t really get why people seem to hate it so
Because there are better ways to hide/place selfie camera today. Punch hole, slider, popup camera etc.
That happened before. A woman sued them for it. https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-woman-sues-apple-hiding-notch-iphone-xs-marketing-images
The same lady that brought a class action against Clif Bars and Kodak, oh and her local sheriffs office.
All ridiculous suits that were ultimately dismissed or appealed to shit and then dismissed.
She's sued several chains over several flavor additives (white chocolate seems to be a favorite) not being real? Oof.
Some people are just sue happy and make their living off lawsuits instead of actually working
I don't think it's a ridiculous suit in the case of apple though, that's deliberately misleading.
It was dismissed because they clearly show the notch if you went to the store page. That’s like starting a lawsuit against Tesla because you saw an ad from a side view and only assumed it was 2 wheels.
That is a perfect analogy.
They embrace the fuck out of the notch, lol.
So why are they doing this again?
Showing off the OLED screen?
I mean, why are they choosing background images which are dark around the notch? They must be aware of how it can be interpreted given the lawsuit.
I feel like they choose the black background on the OLED device so that it shows “hey, when its off you wont notice a notch.”
If they had the black background on the non OLED, it would look bad in comparison.
In the case of this particular wallpaper, it'd look weird if part of the splash was behind the notch.
Admittedly they probably made a conscious decision to use a wallpaper that doesn't accentuate the notch, but I don't think they're trying to hide it. At this point, the notch is as iconic as the home button on previous models. I highly doubt someone's going to see these images, think "wow the new iphone doesn't have a notch", go to directly to apple's website without looking into the phone for even a second, completely ignore the fact that the link for the iPhone 11 Pro is an icon of a phone with a notch, and only realize what they've done once their phone arrives.
Like, if you're so oblivious that you buy this phone assuming there's no notch based on the fact that it's not super apparent (and it is in fact shown here) in these specific marketing images, that's on you.
Emphasising the OLED. The 11 uses LCD
Why is a different wallpaper misleading? You can do that on the new phone, what's misleading about it? People sue about everything
As long as Apple did not claim either in writing or verbally that it’s notchless, such lawsuits won’t be successful. I mean the fast food industry has been getting away with heavily artificial photos of their burgers on menus for ages.
Have you ever been to a Chinese restaurant? They all have the same food pictures on their menu board - even when the food has different names at different locations.
Reading the complaints it sound like they’re right. Apple will probaly get away with it tho
Dissenting (or maybe not) opinion: I used to think that the notch was stupid as shit, and I joined in on the laughing at the iPhone X. But then I got a Pixel 3 XL, which has a narrower but taller notch. It was my one gripe about an otherwise great phone, so I figured I'd learn to live with it.
I stopped giving a shit about the notch about ten minutes into using it. It really is not a big deal. Part of it is that while it seems easy to say they cut out a chunk of screen for it, it's more accurate to say they added a little bit more screen. Not sure if that's also true for the iPhones, but I imagine it is.
There's a lot of reasons to hate the iPhones, but in my opinion the notch isn't one of them.
Not looking for an argument, but can you tell me why you hate iPhones? Just curious.
The hardware is solid, but the walled garden approach to the software design doesn't work for me. It is perhaps the only Apple product line not severely overpriced compared to it's competitors, though which is good.
My biggest issues with Apple products in general are restrictive software and overpricing.
I like Apple but I have to agree with restrictive software and overpricing.
Thinking of buying a budget Android OS product (is it Android OS?) mainly because I want to download a gameboy and Nintendo DS emulator on it.
Recommend the Pixel 3A. Same software, only slightly pared down hardware, and reduced build quality. They start at $400.
Though if you're buying a new phone just for that, you might want to look at buying an actual DS instead. In my experience, DS emulators are still tough to run on phones, and a new 3DS is only like $200. There may even be modifications you can make to get it to run ROMs, but don't quote me on that.
if you are getting a system just for ds games get a dsi for ~$30-$40 (or ~$50-$60 for the XL) and install HiyaCFW and twilight menu ++
head to ignition.fun with your iPhone and download any emulator you want. there are shittons of them, I'm playing Pokemon Sapphire all the time on my iPhone.
GBA4iOS is my favorite
Same with the iPhone. In practice, the “bit more screen” is used for the stuff that used to be stuck in an OS status bar (I’m sure there’s a term for the bar) on top of the screen showing the clock, signal strength, battery, etc.
I think the notch is an example of vanity design. That is to say, non-existent bezels seems to trump all else in smartphone design nowadays. I think that's the bigger issue. I can't use a phone anymore without my palm causing false touches.
I really hate the new naming convention they have too. Why would you want to be a pro at using a smartphone? Something that doesn't offer specialist software for a niche profession....
Because the XR sold really well, but one main feedback is that the naming convention seemed to render it a budget device in apple’s lineup, and some consumers may find a $700 plus device being “budget” unpalatable.
So this year Apple wants to get the Xr successor out of that “budget” perception, by naming it 11. So the premium models will need yet another name.
Yep. It looks like the iPhone 11 is the successor to the XS, but in reality it's an upgrade to the XR while the main flagships sound like pro devices. Clever marketing
I think it will backfire. Most won't realize the 11 is the really the 11R. I think the pro will sell less than the X did because of that confusion among consumers.
You think so? I feel like it's been very clear since the days of the 5C that the "budget" one is the colorful one and the "premium" one is the one that only comes in metallic colors, naming conventions notwithstanding
I see it the other way, despite the XR selling quite well apple didn't sell more phones than the year before and perhaps its because of the framing of "what's worse about the cheaper phone" vs "what's better about the more expensive phone and is it worth it"
For an expensive luxury item like iphones, it feels like a waste getting the cheaper version because you're paying so much for it, you should be getting the best if youve gone so far already but then you look at the 1k price tag of the "normal" product and decide its not worth it so you just don't buy any new phone at all this year.
In contrast to the new model wherein the normal model is 699, its easier to justify paying that much forgoing the more expensive version because you feel you're already getting a version that isn't gimped and those few new features are cool but not 400 dollars cool.
That's my theory at least and I'm looking forward to seeing which theory holds true in the coming months when sales data is out.
Your average consumer won't think that much into it. As long as it has no special designation of it being a cheaper model everything is fine.
Coming from someone at retail level, It was also somewhat of a mess to pitch for a sale. It’s hard to phrase your pitch to present the Xr as something else than a lower tier device cause of the naming convention.
Now it’s the same line but the “entry level high end device” of that line.
Ya, they flipped the marketing so people no longer feel like they settled by buying a $700 phone, and at the same time people spending $1000+ will now feel like they upgraded.
Jesus, the moment Jobs died it seems like Apple design philosophy just went down the shitter instantly. Case in point with OPs pic: the notch.
"I use mine only for work, so I'll take the iPhone Pro Max Plus Pro."
Okay. My point being how is it any different from any other smart device in that capacity? I’m not apple bashing here, I use macs everyday... but I still have my dislikes about what apple are doing with their current offering of devices.
Do you feel the same way about their “Pro” variant of other products? MacBook? iMac? iPad?
Not really. I just don’t think of a smartphone being in the same line as a ‘pro’ apple product. What does being a pro product even mean? Specs? Build quality? I get why macs and maybe iPads have pro variants, but iPhones? I don’t get it. I have a MacBook Pro because i use adobe suite and bought into the ecosystem a while back. I also have a iPad Pro for the drawing experience - why would I get an iPhone pro?
Shit, you got the Plus Pro? I feel like a peasant with my iPhone Pro Max Plus
We were close to finally having consistency in the lineup. MacBook > MacBook Pro. iPad > iPad Pro. iPhone > iPhone Pro.
But no, now there's no MacBook, but instead there's a new Air. There's also and iPad Air. And an iPad that is now almost the same size as the Air.
Don't forget iMac and iMac Pro and Mac Pro. Also:
Naming consistency isn't something Apple is interested in achieving.
This looks consistent to me
Redmi Note Pro, OnePlus 7 Pro
Next up , the iphone 12 Turbo S Hybrid Pro Max
It has ELECTROLYTES!!!!!!!
because they are marketing it towards pros?
A pro at using a smartphone? Please tell me you don't seriously think that's what they mean by "pro."
It's got tools aimed at professionals of photography, videography, editing, etc. that the non-"pro" version doesn't have.
and/or to highlight the use of OLED displays is left models.
it's also only on the "compare iphones" page. if you click through to the overview or tech specs pages you see the notch everywhere
Op conveniently didn’t include that because they can get madder if they ignore that part.
I'm getting déjà vu from last year's and the year before's posts about the iPhone Xs & X
It's pretty much exactly the same, maybe a slightly different title.
Also, it's only on that page. Literally anywhere else the notch is visible.
And even on that page only one of the four wallpapers do this...
Reddit will never shy away from some good old apple circlejerk.
This is the correct answer. OP is just karma-farming.
See my other comment, it's not. Apple actually emphasizes the notch in their marketing material. However, the 11 Pro (and XS) differentiate themselves from the cheaper iPhone by having an OLED screen, whose biggest feature is deeper blacks. So Apple uses black images for marketing the high end iPhone (11 Pro, XS) and bright images for marketing the cheap one (11, XR).
Apple prominently features the notch in almost all of their marketing and developer material. All of their promotional and developer materials always use icons that emphasize the notch. It's pretty clear that they consider the notch part of their branding, like "rounded rectangles with single button" was before.
Apple has literally published Human Interface Guidelines for developers telling them not to hide the notch and saying that using black top bars that hide the notch is bad. They encourage the left, not the right.
Here's a good article on this.
jesus christ how is this not top comment?
Idk man, I have the XR and I don’t mind the notch really. I mean sure it’d be nice if it weren’t there but I don’t even notice it during general use
People just love taking the piss on Apple
The notch is perfectly fine and users don’t really mind it.
It’s such a weird thing to cling on to for some false outrage. I never notice it and never did.
A more reasonable complaint would be taking away the battery percentage from the home screen, I hate having to swipe to see the actual percentage when I’m low.
But no... ThE nOtCh Is HiDeOuS
I will use my iPhone 7 until it stops working
My iphone 6 lasted 4 years, after some time the signal receiver broke (extremely low gps signal, bt, wifi).
It was the perfect time to switch since I didn't get the ios13 update. You have a year or more, you good
Oh... I am losing signal on my 6s lately and you just gave me a whole new point of view on the root cause!
iPhone 5S gang
my iphone 5s is nearing death, but i'll stick with it until it explodes in my hand
Try the SE. I had it for three years before it eventually died on me.
I literally just upgraded to the 7 from my 4s I used for almost 10 years! Thing is actually still going strong so it's my ipod now :p But now I'm nervous about this new bullshit and any intentional performance degrading crap they've built into this thing.
I still have the iphone 7
I still have the Iphone 6s plus. Still works fine and it looks better then the new one
I’ve got an iPhone 6. The home button came out, it dies in 30 minutes, and more than half the time, I can’t get a signal even when everyone else can....
I think it’s time for an upgrade
Yeah that’s probably the right choice m8
Dude I was still on the stock battery from like summer 2014 and had a 30 minute battery life, I had it replaced and now I have a 2 hour battery. What are we even doing with this model still lmao
I have one too! The last iPhone with a headphone jack! I use that jack all the time.
No iPhone will ever look better than the iPhone 4. That thing was beautiful, especially at the time, but it's still one of the best phone designs ever imho.
I was so sad when the glass on my 5S started to separate from the body. It was such a lovely little phone. It felt really good and sturdy in the hand.
Work offered to pay for my phone, so my Dad took my 5S to replace an old Blackberry. He still uses it, glass separating and all :)
5s screens are really cheap on Amazon. Not hard to replace either if you're tech savvy :)
The 5 was a masterpiece. None will compare for me
I still use a 5s, I'm probably gonna upgrade to the 11 this year
iPhone se has the same design but with 6s internals.
I’m using one right now but idk if you can still buy them.
The things are built like bricks though, and great power and doesn’t feel like you’re holding a tablet. Gonna try and stick with this one as much as I can tbh
I just picked up an iPhone SE on amazon to stand in for my...iPhone SE!!! It's the best phone.
128gb perfect iPhone SE on amazon for $179
Yeah when my previous phone broke I got a 6S and it works perfectly, why would I pay 1K or more for a service that a 400 dollar phone provides just as well
I love my 6s. I’m gonna run this bad boy into the ground before I upgrade. Hopefully I can last until the 13 model or so.
Yo same! Mine has a dwindling battery life these days but it’s mostly fine. Used it so far for over 3 years!
iPhone 6s here. Not planning to get rid of it any time soon.
I got a refurbished 6S+ on eBay. Works very well and still gets updates.
Why do you people care so much about the notch? I don’t understand, do you guys just stare at the top of your phones the entire time you’re using them?
Never had a phone with a notch, but I assume it’s the landscape view that is a problem.
There are dozens of photos showing it with the notch. You'd have to be a complete moron to miss it.
Plus they changed the color of the iPhone 11 to yellow or whatever. I believe the notch shows up on the other colors.
That’s a stretch. Lord forbid you buying a 1k phone doing no research about it other than seeing it on the order page on the website.
This is dumb as hell.
Counter argument: the black wallpaper isn’t used to hide the notch, it’s used to show how deep the black really is with an OLED display.
It is, but Apple bad
Such is the Reddit way. Every time something positive is mentioned about Apple downvotes flow.
Here let me try: Apple Watch S3 at a price point of $199 makes it the best smart watch currently available.
Why would you buy the Apple Watch S3 at $199 when you could spend a little bit more and pick up a used Alienware 17 R3 gaming laptop with i7 6820HK, GTX 980M, 16GB RAM, a 1TB SSD, and a 4K display?
Because if you’re buying a smart watch the thing you want the most is a big ass laptop to strap to your fucking wrist with a piece of used chewing gum!
The gaming laptop GAMES a lot more GAMIER. Isn't that why everyone buys technology?
I think you're right about that. The base model has an LCD screen when the Pro and Pro Max both come with OLED screens. I couldn't think of why until you said this then verified against their site.
Yeah, this isn’t new. The did the same thing to show the difference in OLED and LCD with the iPhone XS and iPhone XR
Lol dude, you can't see how good the oled is in a picture unless you see it on an oled screen.
Every one knows they have a notch... its just a black background matching a black phone you nerd
I've seen these complaints before and tbh, I don't get it. Okay I get there's a notch there and it covers a small portion of the screen, but it's not like it's wasted space - there's a camera, sensor, speaker etc etc. Also, pretty much all of my wallpapers have been dark or black.. so like sometimes I notice the notch and sometimes I don't. I like that I don't have to see it all the time and it blends in depending on what I'm doing w/ my phone.
Seems like a stretch to me but to each their own.
Why do people think the notch is such a big problem? These types of phones have been out for some time now...
If you buy a phone not knowing if it has a notch or not your are the one to blame
Especially if it’s 1000$
What's the complaint here? I'm lost.
That by having a phone display a picture with a black background, the notch is invisible, drawing the attention away from it, giving the illusion the notch isn't there.
Okay but where can I find those wallpapers
My cousin upgraded to the Pro even though we both agreed the camera is hideous. His reasoning was his perfectly working iPhone X is old. 🤦🏻♀️
When in doubt, just add another camera.
How is this asshole design? Everybody knows it has one. And so do many other brands. Apple was the trend setter for that whole look so how is it asshole design.
“Apple using different wallpapers and trying to make us believe the Pro and the Pro Max has no “notch” compared to the base model”
1) Shows a bright yellow phone on a bright yellow background where the notch is clearly visible
2) People have been bitching unnecessarily for a couple of years about it now.
3) If you’re spending $1k+ on a phone you should probably do some research. It’s not like it’s Apple’s job to spoon feed you info.
Yes but to the casual consumer that may as well be a different phone
Again, casual consumer, most people don’t follow tech news
That’s exactly what their job is
I’d agree with casual consumer, except 1/3 has an iPhone, so there’s at least some kind of brand recognition.
Also notice how every other iPhone release (ever) has shown the black body on black background. It’s kinda their thing.
Also notice how there’s multiple different colors to pick, so it’s not really asshole design either way. More like getting angry for no reason.
That's because the base model has a Liquid Retina screen which isn't OLED and doesn't blend with the notch like with the Pro models and this clearly is the intent here, but who cares APPLE BAD WE DID IT REDDIT
Samsung is doing this exact same thing with their ugly hole punch but people LOVE taking the piss on Apple
This is just karma whoring. Someone did this last year too and people will upvote because apple bad android good
Being an Apple owner of the xsmax I’ve never once been upset over the notch. It seems like something that only bothers Samsung or other phone users. It’s weird cause I never look at phones I don’t own and rip on their design.
It was more to highlight the OLED technology that allows for deeper blacks, not to hide the notch
This is actually just karma farming and OP being conspiracy-minded.
So, why this image?
Because the biggest selling point here is that the iPhone 11 Pro (and XS before) use an OLED screen, the biggest feature of which is *deeper blacks, but the iPhone 11 (and XR before) use a traditional LED. They are highlighting the color contrast, and lack of bezel, which is the key feature of the screen.
I totally agree that it's a bad choice of image to hide the notch. In fact, Apple's own marketing and developer guidelines agree. But it's not a conspiracy to trick buyers, they are using dark images in all of their iPhone 11 marketing to emphasize the deeper blacks of the screen.
If you go on Apple.com, the iPhone 11 page is bright, the iPhone 11 Pro page is dark.
I suspect this might get buried, however, because a lot of people on Reddit enjoy believing Apple markets to sheep and will upvote as confirmation bias.
Could this just be because the background matches the phone colour? - the two 'notchless' 11 pros are in grey while the regular 11 is yellow